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Nyxsion	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:34:00 - [1] Well started playing 2 days ago and so far all good except the following. I want to fly a Mammoth BUT not due to lack of skill but time. Ive brought the mammoth(collecting dust) and over 2 days started training the req's to fly it (even brought skill book in advance sitting in cargo bay collecting dust "industrial ships") So why on earth if I have the Skill to amass that kind of Isk do I now have to twidle my thumbs waiting for a countdown on training skills? Where is the skill in just sitting idle? (insert any class of ship) flying skills should increase while you fly as well as if you train it like a multiplier in addition to learning the next skill. Of course the first level should be learnt the slow way of course. Shouldnt flying a class of ship for an extended time give you experience in that field? p.s. Dont say time spent can be doing other things, yes Id like to do salvaging aswell but hell Id have to wait for that to and sacrifice more time to get other things my Isk can afford, maybe Iam missing something, please enlighten me!
Ketrin	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:37:00 - [2] This is a direct conceqence of make the training of skills go faster. More implants, skills wich give on atributes and now 900k starting number of skillpoints.
between4and24	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:38:00 - [3] Edited by: between4and24 on 08/02/2007 22:36:46 edit: maybe you could go explore 0.0 in a cheap ship like a frigate, and see what its like out there while waiting on your industry ship skills to train, you might be able to find loot cans laying around that someone didn't want to take the time to empty and you could find something really nice
mechtech	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:41:00 - [4] I guess you are advancing faster than the average new player. Once you hit a certain point, you get enough skills that you can play the game without feeling that you have to have to have your training skill finished. As for the skill training suggestions, there is debate over it all the time, but in the end, this system works.
Sheial Tarlien Minmatar Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Nyxsion Well started playing 2 days ago and so far all good except the following. I want to fly a Mammoth BUT not due to lack of skill but time. On my WOW account i would like to use my level 20 armor but im only level 15 will take me another 2 days to get level 20?? WTF why cant i use it now?!?! The above is an example is another version of basic leveling you just dont have to grind for it and no i dont own a wow account -_- Quote: Where is the skill in just sitting idle? (insert any class of ship) flying skills should increase while you fly as well as if you train it like a multiplier in addition to learning the next skill. Of course the first level should be learnt the slow way of course. Shouldnt flying a class of ship for an extended time give you experience in that field? Kool i can go afk orbiting an asteriod in my Interceptor and wake up with interceptors level 5 skill has my vote!!! another example at one time it was tried and explioted beyond belif also flying a ship more does make you better. Just not in skillpoints just in your own skill. IE you buy a 30 million skillpoint charactor with maxed BS skills from Ebay.. and another person whos played for a couple of years comes along and wtfpwns you even though he has equal skill points just the guy who didnt insta get 30 million skill points know how to fly his ship like second nature.
D'an Y'eal Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:44:00 - [6] /me sits in the rocking chair and strokes beard thoughfully Back in the day you used to get skill points for "doing stuff" AND for actively training a skill, was uber exploitable and hence no longer an option. ----------------- #begin Sig: Everything I say is the official word of me, my corp and my alliance. Anyone who says otherwise is full of themselves. :D Hillary Clinton on Exxon: "I want to take
Cotton Tail Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:45:00 - [7] The issue here is a core part of the game design and something which a lot of people absolutely love about the game, you don't need to invest a huge amount of time to be able to compete on skill points with players of a similar age. The advantage of the amount of time you can play in EVE is in your ability to amass isk which you can spend on many benefits such as implants to progress faster with training. When talking about industrials it is important to remember that they're designed to take a little bit of time to be able to fly to prevent people simply making disposable hauler alts without impacting the advancement of their main character. Hang in there and be thankful you don't have to train skills like battleship to level 5 which can take 40+ days.
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:48:00 - [8] Its what makes eve uber, the only thing you get by playing is isk. People with fulltime jobs and kids can still play the game and only have to log in for 5 minutes at a time for 6 months if they so choose. (its also a killer way to have people keep on paying unlike the grinding games where you get uber get bored and quit) The training is the best part of eve cause in a short amount of time you can get proficient, but having the extra 5% of a lvl 5 can mean the difference between living and dieing. Join a corp and people will teach you more in 30 minutes than 4 hours of forum browsing can show you.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:51:00 - [9] Hmm .. a newbie to the game that does not yet understand its beauty. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Nyxsion	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Nyxsion on 08/02/2007 23:02:28 I dont want easy street, dont get me wrong. My issue is with you spend time making Isk, yet you can spend it instantly but you cannot use that item you've just brought? Where is the logic in that? Yes you can say well buy a ship at 75mil if you have the Isk but certainly it is my right to buy it and of course loose it just as fast due to inexperience. Maybe all Iam after is yes you can use it straight away, BUT train skills to become more effiecent at it would make more sense. I find it fustrating that I cannot explore other aspects of game example being salvaging without stoping to become effecient at one field of expertise. But atleast I would have option to see if I wanted to be better in a different field.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:11:00 - [11] You're frustrated because after a grand total of TWO whole days of playing, you can't fly any ship you want? Maybe it's time to turn off your computer and go find yourself a Nintendo?
Frug	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:12:00 - [12] Isk isn't everything. Sounds like you want a win button and are whining about not being able to farm your skill points like you farmed your isk with your super isk farming "skills" I hear mario Bros. doesn't require skill training. try that. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Frug	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:12:00 - [13] Isk isn't everything. Sounds like you want a win button and are whining about not being able to farm your skill points like you farmed your isk with your super isk farming "skills" I hear mario Bros. doesn't require skill training. try that. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 08/02/2007 23:12:53 You are in the wrong game Eve is not all about grinding and botplaying, as in your RL you need to read a book to learn new stuff, that takes time You can't just jump into a 737 and fly it because you have money, hence the skills
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 08/02/2007 23:12:53 You are in the wrong game Eve is not all about grinding and botplaying, as in your RL you need to read a book to learn new stuff, that takes time You can't just jump into a 737 and fly it because you have money, hence the skills
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:22:00 - [16] Sell the Mammoth, Get a Wreath. You can haul with minmatar hauler two, and you won't have to wait. when you get minmater hauler 4, then get a Mammoth.
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:22:00 - [17] Sell the Mammoth, Get a Wreath. You can haul with minmatar hauler two, and you won't have to wait. when you get minmater hauler 4, then get a Mammoth.
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Daddy''s Belt on 08/02/2007 23:23:10 Originally by: Blue Pixie Nintendo? "Whhhaaaaahhhh whhhhaaaaaahhhh! (Wrings hands.) I want to play level 15 of Diddy Kong Racer! (Tear.) Why do I have to play the first 14 levels? Boohoo! (Soils diaper.)" OP, if this is what it's like for you after two days, you're going to have a very disappointing life in Eve. And now, it's time for your buttwhippin!
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Daddy''s Belt on 08/02/2007 23:23:10 Originally by: Blue Pixie Nintendo? "Whhhaaaaahhhh whhhhaaaaaahhhh! (Wrings hands.) I want to play level 15 of Diddy Kong Racer! (Tear.) Why do I have to play the first 14 levels? Boohoo! (Soils diaper.)" OP, if this is what it's like for you after two days, you're going to have a very disappointing life in Eve. And now, it's time for your buttwhippin!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Nyxsion Edited by: Nyxsion on 08/02/2007 23:02:28 I dont want easy street, dont get me wrong. My issue is with you spend time making Isk, yet you can spend it instantly but you cannot use that item you've just brought? Where is the logic in that? Yes you can say well buy a ship at 75mil if you have the Isk but certainly it is my right to buy it and of course loose it just as fast due to inexperience. Maybe all Iam after is yes you can use it straight away, BUT train skills to become more effiecent at it would make more sense. I find it fustrating that I cannot explore other aspects of game example being salvaging without stoping to become effecient at one field of expertise. But atleast I would have option to see if I wanted to be better in a different field. You are new to the game and dont see why it works the way it does. In time you will come to LOVE the skill system. Just think of what would happen if you could fly anything you want out the door. The EBAYers and the rich people would be flying around in faction fitted carriers and PWNing everyone. Eve has a vey rich and deep game play that rewards thinking and tactics and perseverence. If you want it all and you want it tomorrow then this is not the game for you. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Nyxsion Edited by: Nyxsion on 08/02/2007 23:02:28 I dont want easy street, dont get me wrong. My issue is with you spend time making Isk, yet you can spend it instantly but you cannot use that item you've just brought? Where is the logic in that? Yes you can say well buy a ship at 75mil if you have the Isk but certainly it is my right to buy it and of course loose it just as fast due to inexperience. Maybe all Iam after is yes you can use it straight away, BUT train skills to become more effiecent at it would make more sense. I find it fustrating that I cannot explore other aspects of game example being salvaging without stoping to become effecient at one field of expertise. But atleast I would have option to see if I wanted to be better in a different field. You are new to the game and dont see why it works the way it does. In time you will come to LOVE the skill system. Just think of what would happen if you could fly anything you want out the door. The EBAYers and the rich people would be flying around in faction fitted carriers and PWNing everyone. Eve has a vey rich and deep game play that rewards thinking and tactics and perseverence. If you want it all and you want it tomorrow then this is not the game for you. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:30:00 - [22] There will come a time when you look forward to the 30 day skill training so that you don't have to worry about logging in and changing skills on time for a while -=^=-
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:30:00 - [23] There will come a time when you look forward to the 30 day skill training so that you don't have to worry about logging in and changing skills on time for a while -=^=-
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:36:00 - [24] Actually this is one of Eve's main selling points.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:40:00 - [25] Indeed to all the above. Though I'll imagine the OP will be eating his words when he has the skill to fly a dreadnaught, but not the ISK. But yeah, ISKBay is a very good reason why skills take time, and I love it. also imagines the op trying to wait out the 14-24 days (attr dependant) for Indy 5 so he can fly freighters,, where 2 days skilltrain is 'too long' As a tangent,,, accruing the cash for an indy and the skillbook in two days? Not such a grand feat,, ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Actually this is one of Eve's main selling points. Truth, though I didn't quite appreciate this until I was in my 3rd month or so.
Shevaresh	Posted - 2007.02.08 23:43:00 - [27] Nyxsion, I agree. I have (compared to a new character) tons of ISK; I can afford to buy a battleship for my 2-day-old alt, why couldn't I just have him fly it and just not be as effective? Or maybe an Iteron V - he could carry a lot of stuff in that. /sarcasm off The truth is, that's one of the main reasons. The other reason is that it defines a clear difference between the different levels of equipment; a Iteron V is much more difficult to pilot than a Iteron IV. If it makes you feel better, assume that "Big Brother" (e.g. Concord) requires Aura to check for a valid pilot's license before allowing your ship to undock. Another *****pot theory of mine is that you are learning the skills through direct connection to the brain; in order to keep your brain from getting fried (see the NPC's on pirate ships) they need to use a relatively slow upload speed...
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.09 00:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Nyxsion Well started playing 2 days ago and so far all good except the following. "Skill at operating Minmatar industrial ships. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." -- Homo homini YAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.09 00:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Nyxsion Well started playing 2 days ago and so far all good except the following. "Skill at operating Minmatar industrial ships. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." -- Homo homini YAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!
Tellenta White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.09 00:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Tellenta on 09/02/2007 00:31:00 grinding for skills is the number one reason why i trashed my eq2 character, after 2 years of playing i was grinding from 60 to 70... reached 65 and asked myself why its all the same and promptly unsubsribed. After blindly searching around the internet and being a forum wh... professional I discovered eve. I tried its free trial and discovered that grinding for levels does not exist, its pvp system is functional, and I love it. If you want grinding added to the game please just die. There is a relief in this game to know that you can leave it alone for afew days/months come back and your better skill wise not horribly behind. There are tons of skill grinding games out there, please dont make this one of them

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