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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.09 14:59:00 -
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Yes, Mining is worth while.. In 0.0 and low sec empire. You just need alot of Skill points and 2 accouts, one in a Domi to tank + mine and another in a Hulk:p or Coverter. Gah! |
Sixtyniner
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: Chribba Veldspar!
Kernite!
Sweden?
Sorry for Off Topic ;)
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Cloora
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:33:00 -
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Just my personal experiance.
I have a little over 2 million Skill Points so some people would call me a noob still.
I fly a Retriever (Tier 2 Tech 1 Mining Barge) It is equipped with Tech 1 Strip Miners. I use Hornet drones for rat protection. (in 0.8+ I could switch to Mining drones)
In 6 hours of mining I made 38 million ISK mining Scordite and Plagioclase, both are low end ores.
This was selling to a friendly corp at cheap prices. (under market value) If I was using a hauler alt I could have kept all the ISK for myself.
All my veteran corp mates tell me I am doing really well for only playing for 2 months.
I think mining is one of the best ways to make ISK. ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter
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Cloora
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It is true that a t2 Osprey or Scythe will outmine a t1 fitted Retriever.
This is totally untrue. My corp mates with slightly lower mining skill then me try to keep up with me in a mining Osperey or a Mining Corormant.
It's not even close. The hauler takes more from my can then both of theirs combined.
Barges are the way to go. ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter
"It's none of my business what I think of you." |
Broska
Shadow Blades
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It is true that a t2 Osprey or Scythe will outmine a t1 fitted Retriever.
This is totally untrue. My corp mates with slightly lower mining skill then me try to keep up with me in a mining Osperey or a Mining Corormant.
It's not even close. The hauler takes more from my can then both of theirs combined.
Barges are the way to go.
That's not true. An ospray can 100% Outmine a barge. Just not the coverter (+ T2 Barges) ------------------------------
Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Alyth
Gallente Battle Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.09 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Broska
Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It is true that a t2 Osprey or Scythe will outmine a t1 fitted Retriever.
This is totally untrue. My corp mates with slightly lower mining skill then me try to keep up with me in a mining Osperey or a Mining Corormant.
It's not even close. The hauler takes more from my can then both of theirs combined.
Barges are the way to go.
That's not true. An ospray can 100% Outmine a barge. Just not the coverter (+ T2 Barges)
Not true. My retiever flying alt mines 38140m3 ore an hour with mining foreman 4, astrogeology 4, mining 5 and barge 3. Checking that on quickfit against an Osprey with caldari cruiser 5, drones 5, mining drones 5, drone interfacing 5 and mining drone spec 5 IN ADDITION to the above skills turns in at 23307m3 units of ore per hour. Granted Quickfit may be miscalculating, it's not unknown, but if it's not then thats a significant gap between barges and ospreys isn't it?
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Cloora
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Broska
That's not true. An ospray can 100% Outmine a barge. Just not the coverter (+ T2 Barges)
I have never seen it. Perhaps if one had lvl 5 mining skills for said T2 fitted Osperey but why then would you not just fly a T2 Strip miner fitted Retreiver for not much more in skills and then outmine it again?
Maybe you are thinking of a Procurer. That can only fit one strip miner. Then I can see it. But I outmine Osperey's in my Retriever all the time.
Plus the Cargo Hold of an Osperey is much smaller then a Retreiver or Coveter.
So if you are mining in low sec, or 0.0 and have to mine into your hold that is a big consideration.
Barges hands down are better at mining.
An Osperey is a decent go between but thats about it. It is mostly used by combat pilots that don't want to train the skills for Industry V, Mining IV, Science IV, and Astrogeology III.
But to fit T2 mining lasers you need Mining IV. And if you are going to be a serious miner you want Astrogeology as well since it increases your yeild per cycle by 5% per level.
And for Astrogeology you need Science to lvl IV. So you arent far from a Barge anyway. Then train mining to V and fit T2 Strip miners. Which is what I will do in 2 more days.
Like I said... Osperey is a go between or for combat pilots that want to mine. ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.09 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen A hulk in 0.0 can rake in hundreds of millions a day so id say yeah
Yeah, but so can alot of things other than a hulk ~~~~~~~~~ Ya. It's like that. |
DriveCrash
The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.10 04:16:00 -
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The problem I have with mining currently is that there isn't enough increase in yeild and profitablity vs skill training and cost of equipment.
For exsample, take the same skill levels and apply to the following:
Covetor, 3 strip miner 1's Total cost of ship: maybe 45 mil?
Hulk, 3 modulated strip's with t2 crystals Total cost of ship: estimated over 650mil.
How much more m3 a minute does that hulk yield in comparasion to the t1 covetor? not much. I've maxed out at about 360m3 a minute more. At that rate of increased profitablity.. (360m3 a minute) how long would it take you to pay off the difference of a covetor? Way too long to see a profit on investment, imo. Sad really.
In ice, the Mack is far superior, but ice has no real profit to speak of, so again thats kind of a lost cause.
*these numbers are best guess as I dont have the information in front of me, but you can do the math easily and see what i'm refering to.
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Katja Frostbane
Amarr The Valkyries
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Posted - 2007.02.10 04:55:00 -
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A great way to get better ore is to jump into a mining cruiser and hit the level 1/2/3 complexes. I've found at least six that contain omber and kernite, and if you kit your cruiser out right, you can mine (to a jetcan) and salvage at the same time. The biggest drawback?
1) Your size of the ship that can get in (no industrials) 2) If you can tank/kill the rats in the complex. 3) You might have to re-hop though gates to get to where you're going, and fight more rats (which can be good depending on salvaging/bounties).
Fitting a cruiser right (I've used both an Omen and Auguror) to mine with T2 Miners and Salvagers, and load up the lowslots with expanders. My best so far is about 1400 of room in both the Omen and the Aug. Omen is a little better at this, as your drone bay is bigger.
When you're ready to haul, have some buddies help in the hauling, or you're looking at many, many trips :) |
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AvatarADV
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:57:00 -
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Go back and re-read the isk/m3 comparisons. (Dunno why people try to measure mining in units of individual ore - it tends to obfuscate the issue.) The -best- ores you can find in high-sec asteroid belts are about twice as valuable as veldspar. But you can't mine omber like you mine veldspar - the latter is abundant in all sorts of completely safe, practically unpopulated areas, where omber is pretty picked over and you have to dodge rats or fit to fight 'em. If you're only paying attention to how much time you spend with the mining laser turned on, sure, the higher-priced ores are better. But if you count the TOTAL amount of time you spend mining, the gap's even smaller than that...
Seriously, though, it doesn't take long to train up mining skills. I've been playing a bit more than a month, just over 2m skill points, and I'm driving around a retriever and a Brutix. ;p (I'm better at the mining, heh.)
Do you start getting diminishing returns? Meh, kinda. You get more ore out of a Covetor because you can hang that extra strip miner off of it, sure. But at that point, each additional upgrade is going to yield small percentages rather than huge leaps in ore quantity. The big advantage of the Hulk, aside from the extra 9%+ efficiency, is that it's a lot easier to survive getting shot at inside one (big resists means you can fit it for a shield tank.)
Of course, you could always head for a battleship miner - you lose efficiency in mining output, but you'll be training up the skills you need for your combat stuff too.
Flat-out, though, you're just not going to beat missions plus salvaging for a while, not until salvage prices bottom out...
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kesh McCall
Originally by: Dai007 Mining has become less profitable, but still worth it. Zydrine dropped over half of what it use to be. Down to 2k a piece now.. use to be 3.5-4k
Hopefully this isnt intended and CCP will implement something which will increase them again.
Actually, the prices are currently closer to what CCP intended. The "base" mineral prices are trit 2, pyer 8, mex 32, iso 128, nocx 512, zyd 2048, mega 8192. Mega and Mex are seriously undervalued, but the rest are within about 25% or so, now...
Originally by: Kesh McCall Actually mining has become more profitable, the price on low-end minerals is more then doubled. ( Trit anyone ? ) And before megac and zydrine prices went skyhigh they were around the same price as they are right now.
At our last check, Scordite was more valuable than Omber... MADNESS!
-- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: glennkari When you get in a coveter you will earn more from mining (in Empire) then you do on lvl 3 missions. So if you can run lvl 3 or better solo (or duo lvl 4 with corp) then this will make you more ISK then mining. I can pull in about 110mill a week and this is with selling ore to corp for less then market value, been running missions all this week and sofar i 'only' made about 40mill.
Level 4 missions, however, can be more profitable than any empire mining, however. On the day I bothered to calculate it out, I was making about 30 mil per hour of mission-running. This includes the approximate value of LP offers, and doesn't include downtime between missions chatting with my corp, fantasizing over Gisti shield boosters in Contracts, etc.
-- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Becq Starforged on 14/02/2007 17:21:25
Originally by: Broska
Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It is true that a t2 Osprey or Scythe will outmine a t1 fitted Retriever.
This is totally untrue. My corp mates with slightly lower mining skill then me try to keep up with me in a mining Osperey or a Mining Corormant.
It's not even close. The hauler takes more from my can then both of theirs combined.
Barges are the way to go.
That's not true. An ospray can 100% Outmine a barge. Just not the coverter (+ T2 Barges)
This difference in opinion may be due not to mining skills, but to cruiser skills. An Osprey can get up to a +100% yield bonus at Caldari Cruiser 5, and can fit up to two upgrades, as well, if the pilot has highly trained Electronics. So a highly skilled Osprey pilot can earn double what a barely trained Osprey pilot can earn. (Cormerants aren't even in the same league.) You also didn't mention which barge you were flying.
My experience is that at about cruiser 3, an Osprey is just under a Retreiver with strips, and with cruiser 5, it's significantly better. No cruiser compares with a Covetor, though mining battleships do. (Rokh with 8 Miner IIs and four mining upgrades, anyone?)
-- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
MotoTsume
Gallente Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:33:00 -
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I mine at times in low sec (0,2) systems with a Megathron using miner 2's and i can easily make 6+ mil an hour that way.
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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Halada
Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 18:49:00 -
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Even at cruiser 5 its like having 6 miners II... a good and well trained retriever pilot might not outmine it so much, but at least do as good...
And if you trained cruiser 5 you might as well get mining barge 5 and get the uber cov :D
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