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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.03.10 11:11:34 -
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Hi all,
Not sure if i'll get into trouble for this as it not really a question. Just wanted to post a little something on how, as a new player, I've found exploration :)
When I first started I though the most fun part of exploration would be finding cool sites and making loads of ISK. In fact i've had a few people message me ingame to say how can I do I not get bored scanning and hacking. Well to be honest, the part i find the most exciting is the possibility that I could be killed at any moment and that there are other players actively scanning me down. Love the cat and mouse game I have to play everytime I enter a new system.
Because of this i'm always looking for new ways to make the journey of exploration safer for myself. I'm currently trying out the Magnate from the Heron and using a different fitting.
I get a nice rush when I enter a data/relic sight in a low sec area. I want to get in and out as quick as I can and always looking over my shoulder as soon as I enter. I even found a weird site last night where i had to hack as much as possible before the NPC rats came out to kill me. Managed to leg it (barely) with 35mill isk.
I haven't even began to look at Nullsec or wormholes yet. Really looking forward to them. busy planning out the best way to do it :D
Your not just flying around each system trying to find the best sites. Your also taking notes of the people you see out and about. I already have a list of people to avoid who have tried killing me (only 1 has succeeded so far).
I'm only 3 weeks old in Eve. Never played before so wanted to give my perspective on exploration for any other brand new player :)
Kind regards, Teium |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1238
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Posted - 2016.03.10 11:18:37 -
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sounds like this is the game for you.
Keep in mind that in wormhole space local does not list who is in system unless you talk in local. So you could be the only one there or there could be 3000 people in system with you. You have no way of knowing.
Also when ever you enter a wormhole system, first thing even before you gate cloak drops is to bookmark the wormhole that you just came through. That is known as bookmarking the exit. Always, always, always bookmark the exit. I guess if you don't it's not the end of the world but when you wind up having to scan down the wormhole that you just came through, if you are like me, it will **** you off. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1239
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Posted - 2016.03.10 11:26:55 -
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Another thing to keep in mind is that there is more to exploration than just the scripted PvE gameplay, especially in wormholes. Sometimes people loose access to their wormhole systems. Sometimes people have to leave the game for what ever reason or corps fall apart et cetera.
So once you enter a wormhole system one of the things that you can do is look around and see who is or was living there. Sometimes you'll find towers with PoS mods floating around them that are out of fuel and offline. If you blow up the PoS mods you get a 50% chance for everything in them to drop. If you blow up the tower you get to take the PoS mods but they will be empty iirc. Also sometimes you can sell bookmarks to the entrance back to the corp that has lost access. I would recommend doing so through an alt so that they can't run a locator agent on the character in case you jump in and out of the entrance hole.
My main point is that unlike other MMOs in this game you can come up with your own content. |
Admiral Icarus Raidriar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.03.10 16:25:03 -
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Exploration is pretty cool. You should look into Wormhole Ops, I have a feeling you'd like it.
Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it.
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Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
109
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Posted - 2016.03.10 16:28:42 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:I even found a weird site last night where i had to hack as much as possible before the NPC rats came out to kill me. Managed to leg it (barely) with 35mill isk.
That would be a Ghost Site - they can be fun!
Exploration really is a good career for newer players as it is much more engaging than mining and teaches you piloting teqniques that can help i nthe future.
If you haven't already, looking for a good corp can still be useful, even though exploration can be a solitary affair. |
Sanic Xaqueter
Northern Army. Northern Army
1
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Posted - 2016.03.11 05:41:13 -
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Buy an astero for the first big ship you get as it will majorly help your exploration! |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
840
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Posted - 2016.03.11 05:59:09 -
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For taking notes, the info tab on a character's profile is beautiful. I'm constantly dropping the ships they fly and writing comments about people. When you live in an area full of people, you'll eventually have a rather interesting profile for them.
In the buddy list you can add them as a contact and people you don't like can be set to red or orange, and blue for those you like. I've set light blue to people I like but who will likely shoot me, and dark blue for mutual friendships. The little star can give you an instant read on a player when they appear in local.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Lulu Lunette
ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
309
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Posted - 2016.03.11 06:04:32 -
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Happy to see you're not afraid of using your immortality
Welcome to New Eden
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6388
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Posted - 2016.03.11 08:26:26 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Hi all,
Not sure if i'll get into trouble for this as it not really a question.
Kind regards, Teium
As long as it's a good post (aka following forum rules) you won't get into trouble.
And judging from the post and posting behaviour, you likely won't ever get into trouble for this thread.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.03.11 10:15:39 -
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I ventured into Nullsec last night. It didn't go too well lol
couldn't find many data/relic sights at all. Managed to get 10mill off the last system I went it and went in a huff lol. Decided to go back to my home base. Was careful until the last system when I just though "sod it i'm going gate to gate".........One warp bubble later and my poor Magnate and all my implants were gone.
Lesson well and truly learned. Never EVER let your guard down in nullsec.
Think i'm gonna hang round in lowsec for a while longer, get more isk and skill points then properly do a plan of attach for Null. |
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
99
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Posted - 2016.03.11 20:01:51 -
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I think there are better exploration ships than the Magnate, when I fitted it for exploration, it was kind of milk-toast to me. It is a good looking little flying skull beak-face though. The Amarr have the best paint jobs in the game besides the SOE ships to my taste.
You might try an Astero, or if you can skill into it, a Stratios. Those are the SOE ships and are pretty much the best ships for exploration and looks (again, my tastes) in the game.
My latest ship craziness is an Exporation Nereus. It's not made for data/relic sites, it's made for hit and run salvage clean up. I have no clue if it will work of if I'll be sucking space. I agree with your take, it is exciting to play cat and mouse and be the mouse sometimes. Occasionally, you get to bite a bad kitty! |
Helios Anduath
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
114
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Posted - 2016.03.11 20:08:42 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:You might try an Astero, or if you can skill into it, a Stratios. Those are the SOE ships and are pretty much the best ships for exploration and looks (again, my tastes) in the game.
For standard pirate faction relic/data sites, the Stratios is actually less-optimal than an exploration frigate. The reason being it is slower (can-can movement), slower to warp (site-site movement), slower to align (easier to catch) and just a blingier target.
A Strat has its place, but basic relic and data sites is not it.
The salvage/explo Nereus sound amusing though. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
99
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Posted - 2016.03.11 20:35:31 -
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Helios Anduath wrote:For standard pirate faction relic/data sites, the Stratios is actually less-optimal than an exploration frigate. The reason being it is slower (can-can movement), slower to warp (site-site movement), slower to align (easier to catch) and just a blingier target.
A Strat has its place, but basic relic and data sites is not it.
The salvage/explo Nereus sound amusing though.
True, it's not optimal, but it's a little more survivable than the Astero. As King Ralph pointed out, there isn't much left after getting it fitted out for the role, other than your drones.
Part of the balance of exploration is getting away with the loot. How you choose to do that is a function of play style, I would think.
I can post up my Nereus fit out someplace, I'm not an expert at all at fit outs and my skills generally aren't high enough to let me get away with the really good gear, but it might work. It might fail spectacularly though... ! |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2262
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Posted - 2016.03.11 21:42:33 -
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OP, you will love wormholes. Do go check them out right away, no need to wait. Also, look up Thera system.
2 kinds of EvE player
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1261
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Posted - 2016.03.11 23:06:45 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:I ventured into Nullsec last night. It didn't go too well lol
couldn't find many data/relic sights at all. Managed to get 10mill off the last system I went it and went in a huff lol. Decided to go back to my home base. Was careful until the last system when I just though "sod it i'm going gate to gate".........One warp bubble later and my poor Magnate and all my implants were gone.
Lesson well and truly learned. Never EVER let your guard down in nullsec.
Think i'm gonna hang round in lowsec for a while longer, get more isk and skill points then properly do a plan of attach for Null. border systems where null meets low or high sec are you most dangerous systems to travel through. You are far safer deeper into null.
Sometimes you can find a wormhole that leads to null and you can wander around several systems and never see another player. |
Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2016.03.13 15:32:16 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:I ventured into Nullsec last night. It didn't go too well lol
couldn't find many data/relic sights at all. Managed to get 10mill off the last system I went it and went in a huff lol. Decided to go back to my home base. Was careful until the last system when I just though "sod it i'm going gate to gate".........One warp bubble later and my poor Magnate and all my implants were gone.
Lesson well and truly learned. Never EVER let your guard down in nullsec.
Think i'm gonna hang round in lowsec for a while longer, get more isk and skill points then properly do a plan of attach for Null. border systems where null meets low or high sec are you most dangerous systems to travel through. You are far safer deeper into null. Sometimes you can find a wormhole that leads to null and you can wander around several systems and never see another player.
Well i think wormholes into null are going to be the way forward for me :) |
Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative
126
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Posted - 2016.03.13 15:57:23 -
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Sounds like you are on the right track to me OP.
Teium Purvanen wrote:Well i think wormholes into null are going to be the way forward for me :)
Yeah that's what I would suggest. The payouts are bigger in null/w-space but the stakes are higher too. I would suggest training up to a covert ops cloak and covops frigate before you take that plunge, but it's not totally necessary if you are alert and aware of your surroundings and remain cloaked while scanning.
Others often suggest the Astero for exploration and while it's a fine ship I still prefer t2 covops frigates, they get just as good a bonus for the hacking mini-game and their bonus to scan probe strength is actually better than the Astero when you hit covert ops frigate IV. Plus the loss mails aren't as big .
When it comes to wormholes there's a lot of information you will have to research, wormhole types, wormhole system classes, the various wormhole effects, etc. and your d-scan skills will have to be on point. You'll also need to learn to differentiate between the guarded Sleeper relic/data sites and the unguarded pirate faction ones. Joining a corp of seasoned explorers can help here with learning the ropes, but exploration works fine as a solo career as long as you're willing to do the research and learn from your mistakes. |
Safford en Chasteaux
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.13 18:21:50 -
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As others have said covert ops frigs and of course covert ops cloak is your best friend in wormholes/lowsec. |
Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2016.03.14 09:52:56 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Sounds like you are on the right track to me OP. Teium Purvanen wrote:Well i think wormholes into null are going to be the way forward for me :) Yeah that's what I would suggest. The payouts are bigger in null/w-space but the stakes are higher too. I would suggest training up to a covert ops cloak and covops frigate before you take that plunge, but it's not totally necessary if you are alert and aware of your surroundings and remain cloaked while scanning. Others often suggest the Astero for exploration and while it's a fine ship I still prefer t2 covops frigates, they get just as good a bonus for the hacking mini-game and their bonus to scan probe strength is actually better than the Astero when you hit covert ops frigate IV. Plus the loss mails aren't as big . When it comes to wormholes there's a lot of information you will have to research, wormhole types, wormhole system classes, the various wormhole effects, etc. and your d-scan skills will have to be on point. You'll also need to learn to differentiate between the guarded Sleeper relic/data sites and the unguarded pirate faction ones. Joining a corp of seasoned explorers can help here with learning the ropes, but exploration works fine as a solo career as long as you're willing to do the research and learn from your mistakes.
I intend to go solo. A few people have said this is silly, but I really have my heart set on it.
I don't really want to go Astero. It's too expensive. I fully intend to go T2 covert-ops frig. Only 6 more days till I get to fly one i believe from last time I checked my queue.
From reading a guide, i think that the sites which have the pirate names in them are abandoned, but I could be wrong.
I really need to spend time researching wormholes. Haven't really looked into them at all. Busy saving ISK from LowSec sytems at the moment and waiting for my covert-op frig. Not long now though :) |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2297
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Posted - 2016.03.14 17:38:16 -
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If you are done with covops, train for an interceptor, then T3 tactical destroyer and max your probing skills ... these are all very handy for moving around in New Eden (beside core and fitting skills of course).
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2016.03.14 18:27:20 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:If you are done with covops, train for an interceptor, then T3 tactical destroyer and max your probing skills ... these are all very handy for moving around in New Eden (beside core and fitting skills of course).
Still got 6 days to go for covert ops :) |
Jolana Drax
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.14 21:58:06 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:I intend to go solo. A few people have said this is silly, but I really have my heart set on it.
I don't really want to go Astero. It's too expensive. I fully intend to go T2 covert-ops frig. Only 6 more days till I get to fly one i believe from last time I checked my queue.
From reading a guide, i think that the sites which have the pirate names in them are abandoned, but I could be wrong.
I really need to spend time researching wormholes. Haven't really looked into them at all. Busy saving ISK from LowSec sytems at the moment and waiting for my covert-op frig. Not long now though :)
In Wormholes sites with Pirate names are the ones that 's usually abandoned. Outside of Wormhole space it's critical to read up on exactly what defences certain sites have. Some might appear to be abandoned but instead have a hidden timer where you get attacked by a defence force after time's up. Others might have defences that activate if you fail a hack or simillar.
I've done some exploring myself (not much though so I'm no expert in any way) and I have chosen to stick with T1-ships myself both because the cost for loosing one is negligible and because I'm not as 'blingy' as the covert-ops exploration frigates for hunters looking for both a kill and payout.
I'm not sure exactly what's the difference in cost between a kitted T1 and T2 exploration frigate is nowadays but it is something that should be considered if ISK is an issue. |
Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2016.03.15 09:56:40 -
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Jolana Drax wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:I intend to go solo. A few people have said this is silly, but I really have my heart set on it.
I don't really want to go Astero. It's too expensive. I fully intend to go T2 covert-ops frig. Only 6 more days till I get to fly one i believe from last time I checked my queue.
From reading a guide, i think that the sites which have the pirate names in them are abandoned, but I could be wrong.
I really need to spend time researching wormholes. Haven't really looked into them at all. Busy saving ISK from LowSec sytems at the moment and waiting for my covert-op frig. Not long now though :) In Wormholes sites with Pirate names are the ones that 's usually abandoned. Outside of Wormhole space it's critical to read up on exactly what defences certain sites have. Some might appear to be abandoned but instead have a hidden timer where you get attacked by a defence force after time's up. Others might have defences that activate if you fail a hack or simillar. I've done some exploring myself (not much though so I'm no expert in any way) and I have chosen to stick with T1-ships both because the cost for loosing one is negligible and because I'm not as 'blingy' as the covert-ops exploration frigates for hunters looking for both a kill and payout. I'm not sure exactly what's the difference in cost between a kitted T1 and T2 exploration frigate is nowadays but it is something that should be considered if ISK is an issue.
Well my T1 costs about 4mill ish to kit out. The T2 I want to fly is 20mill just on its own |
Deadmeat Zukalick
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.03.17 00:44:39 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:OP, you will love wormholes. Do go check them out right away, no need to wait. Also, look up Thera system.
What was going through my mind when I read this post |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2268
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Posted - 2016.03.17 01:40:59 -
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Absolutely. However, the ever-present danger is part of what makes wormholes fun.
2 kinds of EvE player
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2016.03.17 09:58:46 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Absolutely. However, the ever-present danger is part of what makes wormholes fun.
Can you point me to a good guide for wormholes? |
Deadmeat Zukalick
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.03.19 05:24:37 -
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For the record Thera is a very popular PvP location. An dangerous place for a exploration frigate. probably not many sites there anyway. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2303
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Posted - 2016.03.20 09:22:18 -
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Deadmeat Zukalick wrote:For the record Thera is a very popular PvP location. An dangerous place for a exploration frigate. probably not many sites there anyway. Actually it's quite safe for cloakies as long as you stay cloaked , but you never do hacking inside Thera anyway (or for longer than 30s ), instead use it as a staging to explore distant regions.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2016.03.21 10:06:09 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Deadmeat Zukalick wrote:For the record Thera is a very popular PvP location. An dangerous place for a exploration frigate. probably not many sites there anyway. Actually it's quite safe for cloakies as long as you stay cloaked , but you never do hacking inside Thera anyway (or for longer than 30s ), instead use it as a staging to explore distant regions.
Think i'm gonna stick to low sec for the time being. Then use wormholes to get me deep into null sec |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2016.03.23 07:59:56 -
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I went out my self yesterday in a T1 frigate, T1 fitted as well (wardecs pfft) :)
Anyway I scanned down 2 sites, both combat, both Serpentis live Distribution centers.
I'm a greedy sod so I take my time and salvage while watching dscan for probes, when I got to the last room I noticed core scanner probes at the same time I saw a Shadow Serpentis elite in the room, I had swapped to a Confessor before entering so killed it first...
Boom, Shadow Serpentis Sebo, so along with other stuff I came out with ~175mil in loot.
Moral of the story? Don't neglect high sec sites, or rather do, I'll be along shortly :)
Enjoy EVE, have fun. |
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