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The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:37:00 - [121] Originally by: Virtuality Edited by: Virtuality on 10/02/2007 04:29:41 Originally by: The Assyrian Edited by: The Assyrian on 10/02/2007 04:22:34 Originally by: Virtuality Just for the record the portrait pack, which wasn't 'hack' in any way shape or form, was not policy for anybody and was completely optional. Also, nobody gives a ****. Wrong, it was clearly a hack, and identified BY CCP as a EULA violation. They even specified what section of the EULA was compromised by the hack. The problem was detection, not definition. It's great Goonswarm now has religion about cheating. Too bad they didn't a few months ago. Policy or no, it was very widely used, and everyone knew it. Cheating through and through. And you're quite wrong if you think people don't care about that. Goonswarm has been comically hypocritical. Deleting a picture in your cache and replacing it with something else is not a hack, and whether it's a violations of the EULA is a different issue. CCP doesn't even ban BoB members for account sharing and buying characters, what makes you think they'd ban people for something so trivial they decided to put it into their game? Logs were posted months and months ago of Remedial sharing accounts, and he wasn't banned. I guess you want him banned now? Play all the semantic games with the word "hack" you like, but the bottom line is that Goonswarm very widely and deliberately violated the EULA in order to cheat and gain unfair advantage. Be a drag if a zillion goonies got banned, but there's a higher principle at stake, right? I mean, now that Goonswarm is all about fair play and stuff.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:46:00 - [122] Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Virtuality Edited by: Virtuality on 10/02/2007 04:29:41 Originally by: The Assyrian Edited by: The Assyrian on 10/02/2007 04:22:34 Originally by: Virtuality Just for the record the portrait pack, which wasn't 'hack' in any way shape or form, was not policy for anybody and was completely optional. Also, nobody gives a ****. Wrong, it was clearly a hack, and identified BY CCP as a EULA violation. They even specified what section of the EULA was compromised by the hack. The problem was detection, not definition. It's great Goonswarm now has religion about cheating. Too bad they didn't a few months ago. Policy or no, it was very widely used, and everyone knew it. Cheating through and through. And you're quite wrong if you think people don't care about that. Goonswarm has been comically hypocritical. Deleting a picture in your cache and replacing it with something else is not a hack, and whether it's a violations of the EULA is a different issue. CCP doesn't even ban BoB members for account sharing and buying characters, what makes you think they'd ban people for something so trivial they decided to put it into their game? Logs were posted months and months ago of Remedial sharing accounts, and he wasn't banned. I guess you want him banned now? Play all the semantic games with the word "hack" you like, but the bottom line is that Goonswarm very widely and deliberately violated the EULA in order to cheat and gain unfair advantage. Be a drag if a zillion goonies got banned, but there's a higher principle at stake, right? I mean, now that Goonswarm is all about fair play and stuff. Hello 1 day old character. Why don't you post with your main?
Centerfold Caldari Underworld	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:11:00 - [123] Now that BoB was exposed for having devs in the alliance, what other allinces are receiving help from the devs? Because it can't be that all devs are members of BoB, can it? So who else is cheating? Maybe the people screaming 'cheet' the loudest are the ones that are also cheeting themselves? Or maybe the ones, like D2 that keep quiet about it are quiet because they also are getting help?
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [124] No.
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:26:00 - [125] Originally by: Centerfold Now that BoB was exposed for having devs in the alliance, what other allinces are receiving help from the devs? Because it can't be that all devs are members of BoB, can it? So who else is cheating? Maybe the people screaming 'cheet' the loudest are the ones that are also cheeting themselves? Or maybe the ones, like D2 that keep quiet about it are quiet because they also are getting help? Well the ones screaming cheat here on the forums are not likely to be the ones who would know one way or the other just like i'm sure that BoB, at least the rank and file, knew nothing about this, but your point is generally valid. Ever try to play a game like chess solo, making moves for both sides? Like chess, Eve is all about strategy and deception. An Eve Dev with their access to game info would have as hard a time making a mistake in gameplay as you would tricking yourself into making a bad move on the chess board. That translates to an increased amount of success for any corp or alliance they belong to, especially if they have rank within the organization, and that ain't fair to the rest of us paying customers. . . . Regards, August
Centerfold Caldari Underworld	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:30:00 - [126] Originally by: 0August0 Originally by: Centerfold Now that BoB was exposed for having devs in the alliance, what other allinces are receiving help from the devs? Because it can't be that all devs are members of BoB, can it? So who else is cheating? Maybe the people screaming 'cheet' the loudest are the ones that are also cheeting themselves? Or maybe the ones, like D2 that keep quiet about it are quiet because they also are getting help? Well the ones screaming cheat here on the forums are not likely to be the ones who would know one way or the other just like i'm sure that BoB, at least the rank and file, knew nothing about this, but your point is generally valid. Ever try to play a game like chess solo, making moves for both sides? Like chess, Eve is all about strategy and deception. An Eve Dev with their access to game info would have as hard a time making a mistake in gameplay as you would tricking yourself into making a bad move on the chess board. That translates to an increased amount of success for any corp or alliance they belong to, especially if they have rank within the organization, and that ain't fair to the rest of us paying customers. I totaly agree. But it can't be only BoB that has devs. So who else has them, because that's also not fair.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:30:00 - [127] maybe some people just work hard and put in the time and don't need to just click a few times to get new mods or ships. but lets have a fun clean smackless fights. lets keep it ingame, and remember this is a game. ps. cheaters never win
M Bean GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:37:00 - [128] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: M Bean Originally by: Bellon I find it absolutely hysterical that you would post this NOW, after losing 6 fleet battles in 4 hours, getting successfully Doomsdayed 3 times (one for 80+ kills!) and losing THREE 150+ man fleets for negligable kills. GUYS K/D RATIO. GUYS? Its not about K/D Ratios, its about the fact that we have forced you to change your plan and retreat with your fleet to an easier (and far less important) target. What did those losses achieve? A false sense of LV satisfaction it seems.
Arthur Miller GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Kaiu As was stated in another thread. This thread is totally unnecessary. Just like your alliance. BOOM FACEPUNCH
Kaldaine GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:35:00 - [130] Originally by: Arthur Miller Originally by: Kaiu As was stated in another thread. This thread is totally unnecessary. Just like your alliance. BOOM FACEPUNCH Also Ive never used any kind of local altering tool as such a thing was never mandatory. I do know that if such a program were to exist there is a good possibility it was leaked to other corps/alliances that also used it.

Zorg Vanquishman	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:48:00 - [131] Edited by: Zorg Vanquishman on 10/02/2007 07:44:09 BLAH
EggFooYou	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:59:00 - [132] Edited by: EggFooYou on 10/02/2007 07:55:12
omni eye Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:59:00 - [133] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat I am amazed! Who are you by the way?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:17:00 - [134] Fixians, clear out of this thread, thanks. As always, things will be played out and decided in-game; we fully expect it to be interesting. Blog
manimani Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:21:00 - [135] Originally by: omni eye Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat I am amazed! Who are you by the way? He might be no one to you. But to the rest of us, he is a friend, a valuable ally, someone who i would get blown up for, thats who he is.
Vanija GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:29:00 - [136] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat I find it absolutely hysterical that you would post this NOW, after losing 6 fleet battles in 4 hours, getting successfully Doomsdayed 3 times (one for 80+ kills!) and losing THREE 150+ man fleets for negligable kills. ah yes the k/d ratio the ultimate determining factor in who won a fleet battle. Not the fact that we reinforced at least 40 pos's? Destroyed over 10 while you camped your capital array? I see.
Vanija GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:33:00 - [137] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: M Bean Originally by: Bellon I find it absolutely hysterical that you would post this NOW, after losing 6 fleet battles in 4 hours, getting successfully Doomsdayed 3 times (one for 80+ kills!) and losing THREE 150+ man fleets for negligable kills. GUYS K/D RATIO. GUYS? Its not about K/D Ratios, its about the fact that we have forced you to change your plan and retreat with your fleet to an easier (and far less important) target. What did those losses achieve? 40+ pos in reinforced as of this post in a system with a station.....
Saldio Banderas Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:36:00 - [138] Edited by: Saldio Banderas on 10/02/2007 08:33:54 Don't forget sent a 100+ goon gang of frigates/cruisers to the cap shipyard system just because we were bored and wanted to get destroyed...bonus points if we got judgemented. Goons are what make eve fun. edit: Oh our FC was drunk, had never done it before, and couldn't pronounce your pilots' messed up names. Seriously, more vowels people.
Alchimista	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:53:00 - [139] Edited by: Alchimista on 10/02/2007 08:50:20 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat Translated: HELP!!! WE NEED ANY KIND OF HELP DOWN HERE!!! PLS!!
Vahl Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Alchimista Edited by: Alchimista on 10/02/2007 08:50:20 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat Translated: HELP!!! WE NEED ANY KIND OF HELP DOWN HERE!!! PLS!! I need help. I'm all out of ammo from blowing up LV POSes all night. ____________________________________________________________________ Now you realize that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:14:00 - [141] Jesus goons.. You make me feel like ****t beeing on same side as you tards Wildcat, please think before you post. You cant kill bob by attacking bob-space when they are not home. Don¦t you think they where expecting this move? If they feel they can¦t defend when their are not at home, they just move away their infrastructure and store it in empire, the stations aint gonna move. And they become mobile and maybe moves into Curse i dunno, so you have them at your backyard. Sure i wanna attack bob, I wanna crush em, but I wanna do it when their are at home in Delve crippeling on their bare legs in front off us. But that is another story Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Saldio Banderas Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:17:00 - [142] We have quite a few overzealous members with too much caffeine in their system.
Don Yokushi Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:28:00 - [143] Originally by: Saldio Banderas We have quite a few overzealous members with too much caffeine in their system. That you do. They're great for laughs though. I'm surprised there haven't been more RISE members posting in regards to this offer. Unless I'm mistaken, only one has posted, and that was only to post a simple "No."
Blue Stratos	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:39:00 - [144] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/02/2007 23:51:31 This is for all the alliances that are so called "Pets" living under BoB's shadow (of which you no longer need to be). This is an open invite to join the cause against the BoB entity. Some corps / Alliances that come to mind are MC FIX RISE Xelas I can understand your loyalty to BoB but it does not look good for them now, and you do not need to go down with them. In the end if your stances remain the same, Feyth, Querious, Delve, Fountain, will no longer be your to harbor in. This is a friendly invite to our cause, hope to hear from you soon. WildCat This is what ASCN Said :)
BuSHiDo ZiN GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:42:00 - [145] Originally by: Dark Shikari Are you kidding me? One member of BoB cheated. He was caught, and hopefully CCP will fire t20 for his actions. I sure hope so; what he did was despicable. On the other hand, all of Goonfleet has in the past used software that blatantly violates the EULA. In fact, since it was required, every member of Goonfleet who was playing at that time is indeed a cheater. I would rather support an alliance where one, single person cheated than one where every single member of the alliance was required to cheat as a policy. Your alliance are proven cheaters. You cannot spin this, it is a fact. As long as you are in EVE you cannot honestly insult anyone else as cheaters because of your own stupid decisions. Its as if Band of Brothers was flaming someone for use of propaganda; its outright, hilarious hypocrisy. So tell me what it's like to derail a thread on something that was never explicitly defined as against the EULA and was explicitly verboten to bring up in these forums? Originally by: Bellon Its not about K/D Ratios, its about the fact that we have forced you to change your plan and retreat with your fleet to an easier (and far less important) target. What did those losses achieve? So tell me, how much ground did you gain tonight? How many Redswarm/allies poses did you put in reinforced? how many systems did you seize? I mean, I've only been playing for ten months, so I obviously don't understand how freakin awesome you guys are, but I don't think failing to lose a system and sixty billion isk counts as a victory, certainly not if half of your territory gets knocked into reinforced while your entire alliance is clutching on to chowdown's second, flaccid epeen. But what do I know, I've only been involved in the destruction of nearly a half dozen alliances and the conquest of four regions in the past six months
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:04:00 - [146] This ought to get this thread locked. Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/02/2007 04:06:07 One member of BoB cheated. He was caught, and hopefully CCP will fire t20 for his actions. I sure hope so; what he did was despicable. Correction: One CCP employee has admitted to cheating in BoB's favour on one of the accusations made...and it took well over half a year plus people kicking up a huge fuss for CCP to admit it. Plus CCP had known about it for months. CCP also claims that was it - no more devs in BoB, and no other BoB exploits. I'm still a little confused as to why should we trust anything they say about this matter? After all, they've been covering this up since, what, June of last year? Why are we supposed to say "Oh, they lied about this but they're obviously telling the truth about everything else"? T20's actions and apology aren't the end of it (no matter what CCP wants) - they're merely the first domino to fall. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:09:00 - [147] rap music is one of the best kind of musics. a lot of people dont like it, but a lot of people dont understand what its really about. if you read this paper, maybe you will understand. i will explain it to you. rap music is about life and living life. \|)) =D-------
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Habraka Originally by: dfgdfgerdv So the 20,000 people you have at the moment isnt enought? Kinda shows your overall skill really.. gotta have numbers instead of skills. So? We play to win, not to give the enemy an even and fair fight. And I am somehow reminded of a 600+ fleet rolling upto EC-P8R to take an outpost. Overkill? Never. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:17:00 - [149] I just had a urge to post in this thread. Pancakes ftw.
D2O HeavyWater Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:18:00 - [150] I think the recent dev allegations are the straw that broke bobs back.



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