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Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.03.16 14:36:32 -
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Could you imagine that? Would Eve die ?
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Elanion
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Posted - 2016.03.16 14:41:33 -
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I think quite a few players are currently playing Eve without killboards and enjoying it just the same.
RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
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gfldex
758
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Posted - 2016.03.16 14:45:01 -
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I can imagine it indeed as I was there. For the first two years there where no (widely used) killboards. Thanks to the mighty gankageddon and a serious lack of logistics, ships where exploding left right and center. I never really liked the idea to provide my enemies with an idea what ship I might field. Yet, I have to except killboards as the recruitment tool they are.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1018
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Posted - 2016.03.16 14:52:31 -
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We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. |
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
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Posted - 2016.03.16 14:54:57 -
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I don't know but I would love an ingame kb, zkillboard is nice but i could be an ingame supported feature ! that would be so sick
When I'm on a kb I usually am on the red part tho |
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.16 15:11:59 -
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I'm not a fan of any of the meta content, so I would be thrilled.
IMHO if the game needs it, it should be in the game. |
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.16 15:12:48 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot.
Only because you are stubborn and wrong |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1018
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Posted - 2016.03.16 15:14:30 -
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Salt Foambreaker wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. Only because you are stubborn and wrong
Stubborn yes.... Wrong... Only a dirty smurf would ever say we could not make pot noodles in the sacred teapot! |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
108
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Posted - 2016.03.16 15:34:05 -
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What's a killboard?
All joking aside, killboards as number games are pretty weak. Poachers rack up massive kill stats against ships that can't adequately fight back, so it just makes everyone's numbers useless.
I've seen a couple of real attempts to try and sort that out but someone always complains about methodology, so as far as I'm concerned, killboards are only useful for letting me know who to give a tap on the shoulder to and punch in the nose for when they turn around when they jump me while doing my PvE stuff.
I don't have a sacred teapot... want one.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Lulu Lunette
ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
312
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Posted - 2016.03.16 17:10:42 -
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Had a Thrasher appear in one of our systems so I jump in my closest PVP ship, a Svipul. Never did catch him, he ended up at a POS which I thought was interesting. Not gonna name and shame but he whined about the unfair Thrasher vs. Svipul potential fight, (don't blame him) then asked why I wasn't combat probing, so I'm assuming he had already looked me up on zkill. I never looked him up..
Killboards are a necessary evil I guess.
@lunettelulu7
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3699
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Posted - 2016.03.16 17:13:21 -
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I just use them to share kills with people who don't play the game any more. I make it a point to not look at my stats.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3699
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Posted - 2016.03.16 17:14:46 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:ships that can't adequately fight back. Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back?
Should we all be in rookie ships space jousting at the sun?
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.03.16 17:50:38 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back?
No.
Create your own in-game shiplabels:
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
864
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Posted - 2016.03.16 18:08:53 -
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I don't have a problem with killboards at all. But I do think that people's "share" should be max / participants.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2807
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Posted - 2016.03.16 18:12:22 -
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there was no kill mails in the first year of eve (or so) the first killboard was made by bob when they fought phoenix. People had no issues with no killboards for the first year. i just don;t think it will ever go away.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
102
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Posted - 2016.03.16 18:18:35 -
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I dislike killboards.
Plenty of times I've had people say "lol ur kb sux u must b **** m8". Well, probably, since the only times I log onto my main are for fleet ops.
I'm playing for enjoyment, not maximized efficiency. I'm not flying internet spaceships as part of my investment banking degree. |
Jacques d'Orleans
2695
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Posted - 2016.03.16 18:31:32 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Could you imagine that? Would Eve die ? Discuss.
EVE is dying since 2003(TM). News at eleven!
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.03.16 19:59:34 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Pandora Carrollon wrote:ships that can't adequately fight back. Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back? Should we all be in rookie ships space jousting at the sun?
No, and no.
By the marvelously simple and extreme logic you just applied, a T3 Cruiser vs. an unarmed shuttle is a fair fight.
Since you seemed to have missed my intent, I'm referring to taking throw away ships taking out some transport/miner and letting your buddies pick over the corpses, or popping PvE ships in LoSec/NullSec. Whatever you call it, the outcome was pre-determined before it started and it makes trying to find out real pilot skill really hard with just killboard stats.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2016.03.17 01:40:37 -
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I could imagine it and EvE would not die but... KBs provide useful intel which would be missed. Sure, incomplete intel, but useful still. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
159
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Posted - 2016.03.17 01:47:09 -
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I don't kill for fun or rank, but i use it for a quick history check. And so, i would miss it.
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.17 01:54:05 -
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If there is no killboard, Eve players will still be killing one another for one reason or another and some enterprising individual out there will be creating a killboard.
It will be just like Eve Online year one!
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2016.03.17 03:39:23 -
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There should be more unknowns in Kill Mails, if KMs should even exist.
Eve without KMs would be interesting.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2016.03.17 04:38:42 -
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Killboards are very useful. They can be used to examine potential corp recruits, and threats. They can be used to find the common ships/fits of people you are trying to kill. They can also be used to find hilarious killmails with terrible fits and huge amounts of ISK lost.
However, with the recent changes to the watchlist, which were made under the excuse of "it was too powerful a tool to gain intel, with no drawbacks", you could argue that killboards should face the same fate. After all, they are just as powerful as the watchlist was for intel gathering, and also has zero drawbacks. We all know that will never happen though.
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
529
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Posted - 2016.03.17 06:20:52 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Killboards are very useful. They can be used to examine potential corp recruits, and threats. They can be used to find the common ships/fits of people you are trying to kill. They can also be used to find hilarious killmails with terrible fits and huge amounts of ISK lost.
However, with the recent changes to the watchlist, which were made under the excuse of "it was too powerful a tool to gain intel, with no drawbacks", you could argue that killboards should face the same fate. After all, they are just as powerful as the watchlist was for intel gathering, and also has zero drawbacks. We all know that will never happen though. The official excuse that I heard was, "We made a change to API stuff which made it trivial to watchlist everyone in EvE with a few mouseclicks. We have no better recourse at this time, so we're going to shut down the feature before it gets out of control".
The reason the players, myself not quite included, hammered on about was the "too powerful without having to work for it"...it wasn't the Devs admitting that.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2382
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Posted - 2016.03.17 08:08:30 -
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An idea often proposed by people with red killboards.
Seriously, this is the equivalent of asking Nintendo to remove the points counter in Mario because you feel uncomfortable that your friends may recognize how bad you are at the game when they compare your stats to their own. In EVE like in Mario this is more a personal problem of the player and not of the game.
I know you say that you don't care at all and just ignore the killboard, and you probably even believe that yourself. But if you even toy with the idea that the whole score board should get burned down it really shows how much it actually bothers you deep down.
Maybe just get better at the game if you care that much what other players think of your performance or maybe this is just not the right game for you then.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
242
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Posted - 2016.03.17 08:10:13 -
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I'm in two minds about killboards good for epeen and kudos and just generally see what's been going on and also seeing fits but I do think it used as a stick to hit people with and stifles people having fun and taking risks and happy to lose a ship. You do learn if you don't try and die at least people are active and making an effort. If everyone didn't care about people losing ships the. Lin they be fine. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.03.17 08:19:25 -
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Killboards are an essential part of the game. It's like "racing for pinks" - street racing where you don't know what's under the car's hood until you beat it in a race - or lose your own car trying. "pinks" means "Pink slip" going back to the days when cars in the USA had registrations cards that were pink. Racing for pinks meant you raced other drivers and lost your car to them or won their car.
(And thankfully I never lost my '72 Dodge Challenger and still have a Mercury Cyclone I once raced against, but I didn't have the beat the owner: he gave it up when he decided to become a family man)
What always bugged me about killboards are that they are limited to kills. While a report of a kill or loss should never go away, if it were up to me I would make them into "incident reports" and not have to go as far as a kill. In cases where there is no ship destruction there is no loadout displayed. On an incident report, the encounter itself is on record such that any aggression is included.
The idea is to give a little something to non-combatant pilots who still have encounters, such as logi, haulers who "got away", even a bubble encounter is in the report. It would help players have more to show for their "role" and involvement in the game.
Whether it's even possible who knows - that's a lot of information to push around. A task I would not want.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2016.03.17 08:48:43 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:An idea often proposed by people with red killboards.
Seriously, this is the equivalent of asking Nintendo to remove the points counter in Mario because you feel uncomfortable that your friends may recognize how bad you are at the game when they compare your stats to their own. In EVE like in Mario this is more a personal problem of the player and not of the game.
I know you say that you don't care at all and just ignore the killboard, and you probably even believe that yourself. But if you even toy with the idea that the whole score board should get burned down it really shows how much it actually bothers you deep down.
Maybe just get better at the game if you care that much what other players think of your performance or maybe this is just not the right game for you then.
Or could it be that people are annoyed, that other people put so much value into a biased indicator? You are intelligent enough that I don't have to point out the limitations of the current killboards to you. To call someone bad based on killboard statistics is just not very well founded. I am not saying it should go, I enjoy the intel I get from it, but i also get why people can get tired of being judged based on your killboard when applying for a corp for example. A solo player in lowsec will have a lower efficiency than a blopper, even if they have the same skill. This is also fine, as the blopper is using the tools of EVE better. But I dislike the notion that you can assess if people are good and bad based on their killboard score.
I get why you think that. You want that #74 position in 2014 to mean something (congratulations on that), and that is also okay. No reason to belittle people with another opinion though
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1106
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Posted - 2016.03.17 10:50:28 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. So after I've noticed your corp and as I look at your post... I'm not sure if I've had a glimpse of one of the most intriguing mysteries in the history of New Eden capsuleer conflicts or if it's just a Red herring.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2016.03.17 11:01:08 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:By the marvelously simple and extreme logic you just applied, a T3 Cruiser vs. an unarmed shuttle is a fair fight..
My point is that "fair fights" are almost mythical in Eve. If you lose, eIther you're outnumbered or your ship isn't adequately fitted to go up against whatever the other guy brought. That's the same whether you're mining, flying a PVE battleship, or just got your active tank neuted out in a duel at the sun.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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