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Big Lynx 5437	Posted - 2016.03.16 14:36:32 - [1] - Quote Could you imagine that? Would Eve die ? Discuss.
Elanion 14	Posted - 2016.03.16 14:41:33 - [2] - Quote I think quite a few players are currently playing Eve without killboards and enjoying it just the same. RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
gfldex 758	Posted - 2016.03.16 14:45:01 - [3] - Quote I can imagine it indeed as I was there. For the first two years there where no (widely used) killboards. Thanks to the mighty gankageddon and a serious lack of logistics, ships where exploding left right and center. I never really liked the idea to provide my enemies with an idea what ship I might field. Yet, I have to except killboards as the recruitment tool they are. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1018	Posted - 2016.03.16 14:52:31 - [4] - Quote We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot.
Aaron Honk Distributed Denial of Service 17	Posted - 2016.03.16 14:54:57 - [5] - Quote I don't know but I would love an ingame kb, zkillboard is nice but i could be an ingame supported feature ! that would be so sick When I'm on a kb I usually am on the red part tho
Salt Foambreaker Greedy Pirates 1	Posted - 2016.03.16 15:11:59 - [6] - Quote I'm not a fan of any of the meta content, so I would be thrilled. IMHO if the game needs it, it should be in the game.
Salt Foambreaker Greedy Pirates 1	Posted - 2016.03.16 15:12:48 - [7] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. Only because you are stubborn and wrong
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1018	Posted - 2016.03.16 15:14:30 - [8] - Quote Salt Foambreaker wrote: Lady Ayeipsia wrote: We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. Only because you are stubborn and wrong Stubborn yes.... Wrong... Only a dirty smurf would ever say we could not make pot noodles in the sacred teapot!
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 108	Posted - 2016.03.16 15:34:05 - [9] - Quote What's a killboard? All joking aside, killboards as number games are pretty weak. Poachers rack up massive kill stats against ships that can't adequately fight back, so it just makes everyone's numbers useless. I've seen a couple of real attempts to try and sort that out but someone always complains about methodology, so as far as I'm concerned, killboards are only useful for letting me know who to give a tap on the shoulder to and punch in the nose for when they turn around when they jump me while doing my PvE stuff. I don't have a sacred teapot... want one. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Lulu Lunette ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 312	Posted - 2016.03.16 17:10:42 - [10] - Quote Had a Thrasher appear in one of our systems so I jump in my closest PVP ship, a Svipul. Never did catch him, he ended up at a POS which I thought was interesting. Not gonna name and shame but he whined about the unfair Thrasher vs. Svipul potential fight, (don't blame him) then asked why I wasn't combat probing, so I'm assuming he had already looked me up on zkill. I never looked him up.. Killboards are a necessary evil I guess. @lunettelulu7

FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3699	Posted - 2016.03.16 17:13:21 - [11] - Quote I just use them to share kills with people who don't play the game any more. I make it a point to not look at my stats. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3699	Posted - 2016.03.16 17:14:46 - [12] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: ships that can't adequately fight back. Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back? Should we all be in rookie ships space jousting at the sun? Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 478	Posted - 2016.03.16 17:50:38 - [13] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back? No. Create your own in-game shiplabels: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread >iciclesoft.com
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 864	Posted - 2016.03.16 18:08:53 - [14] - Quote I don't have a problem with killboards at all. But I do think that people's "share" should be max / participants. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
DaReaper Net 7 2807	Posted - 2016.03.16 18:12:22 - [15] - Quote there was no kill mails in the first year of eve (or so) the first killboard was made by bob when they fought phoenix. People had no issues with no killboards for the first year. i just don;t think it will ever go away. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 102	Posted - 2016.03.16 18:18:35 - [16] - Quote I dislike killboards. Plenty of times I've had people say "lol ur kb sux u must b **** m8". Well, probably, since the only times I log onto my main are for fleet ops. I'm playing for enjoyment, not maximized efficiency. I'm not flying internet spaceships as part of my investment banking degree.
Jacques d'Orleans 2695	Posted - 2016.03.16 18:31:32 - [17] - Quote Big Lynx wrote: Could you imagine that? Would Eve die ? Discuss. EVE is dying since 2003(TM). News at eleven! The beginning of the End Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 111	Posted - 2016.03.16 19:59:34 - [18] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Pandora Carrollon wrote: ships that can't adequately fight back. Isn't it true that every ship that is killed couldn't adequately fight back? Should we all be in rookie ships space jousting at the sun? No, and no. By the marvelously simple and extreme logic you just applied, a T3 Cruiser vs. an unarmed shuttle is a fair fight. Since you seemed to have missed my intent, I'm referring to taking throw away ships taking out some transport/miner and letting your buddies pick over the corpses, or popping PvE ships in LoSec/NullSec. Whatever you call it, the outcome was pre-determined before it started and it makes trying to find out real pilot skill really hard with just killboard stats. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 241	Posted - 2016.03.17 01:40:37 - [19] - Quote I could imagine it and EvE would not die but... KBs provide useful intel which would be missed. Sure, incomplete intel, but useful still.
Mark O'Helm Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt 159	Posted - 2016.03.17 01:47:09 - [20] - Quote I don't kill for fun or rank, but i use it for a quick history check. And so, i would miss it. "Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles) "Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)

Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1056	Posted - 2016.03.17 01:54:05 - [21] - Quote If there is no killboard, Eve players will still be killing one another for one reason or another and some enterprising individual out there will be creating a killboard. It will be just like Eve Online year one! A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kieron VonDeux 118	Posted - 2016.03.17 03:39:23 - [22] - Quote There should be more unknowns in Kill Mails, if KMs should even exist. Eve without KMs would be interesting.
Pix Severus Empty You 3590	Posted - 2016.03.17 04:38:42 - [23] - Quote Killboards are very useful. They can be used to examine potential corp recruits, and threats. They can be used to find the common ships/fits of people you are trying to kill. They can also be used to find hilarious killmails with terrible fits and huge amounts of ISK lost. However, with the recent changes to the watchlist, which were made under the excuse of "it was too powerful a tool to gain intel, with no drawbacks", you could argue that killboards should face the same fate. After all, they are just as powerful as the watchlist was for intel gathering, and also has zero drawbacks. We all know that will never happen though. -ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 529	Posted - 2016.03.17 06:20:52 - [24] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Killboards are very useful. They can be used to examine potential corp recruits, and threats. They can be used to find the common ships/fits of people you are trying to kill. They can also be used to find hilarious killmails with terrible fits and huge amounts of ISK lost. However, with the recent changes to the watchlist, which were made under the excuse of "it was too powerful a tool to gain intel, with no drawbacks", you could argue that killboards should face the same fate. After all, they are just as powerful as the watchlist was for intel gathering, and also has zero drawbacks. We all know that will never happen though. The official excuse that I heard was, "We made a change to API stuff which made it trivial to watchlist everyone in EvE with a few mouseclicks. We have no better recourse at this time, so we're going to shut down the feature before it gets out of control". The reason the players, myself not quite included, hammered on about was the "too powerful without having to work for it"...it wasn't the Devs admitting that. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2382	Posted - 2016.03.17 08:08:30 - [25] - Quote An idea often proposed by people with red killboards. Seriously, this is the equivalent of asking Nintendo to remove the points counter in Mario because you feel uncomfortable that your friends may recognize how bad you are at the game when they compare your stats to their own. In EVE like in Mario this is more a personal problem of the player and not of the game. I know you say that you don't care at all and just ignore the killboard, and you probably even believe that yourself. But if you even toy with the idea that the whole score board should get burned down it really shows how much it actually bothers you deep down. Maybe just get better at the game if you care that much what other players think of your performance or maybe this is just not the right game for you then. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
tiberiusric Comply Or Die 242	Posted - 2016.03.17 08:10:13 - [26] - Quote I'm in two minds about killboards good for epeen and kudos and just generally see what's been going on and also seeing fits but I do think it used as a stick to hit people with and stifles people having fun and taking risks and happy to lose a ship. You do learn if you don't try and die at least people are active and making an effort. If everyone didn't care about people losing ships the. Lin they be fine.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7351	Posted - 2016.03.17 08:19:25 - [27] - Quote Killboards are an essential part of the game. It's like "racing for pinks" - street racing where you don't know what's under the car's hood until you beat it in a race - or lose your own car trying. "pinks" means "Pink slip" going back to the days when cars in the USA had registrations cards that were pink. Racing for pinks meant you raced other drivers and lost your car to them or won their car. (And thankfully I never lost my '72 Dodge Challenger and still have a Mercury Cyclone I once raced against, but I didn't have the beat the owner: he gave it up when he decided to become a family man) What always bugged me about killboards are that they are limited to kills. While a report of a kill or loss should never go away, if it were up to me I would make them into "incident reports" and not have to go as far as a kill. In cases where there is no ship destruction there is no loadout displayed. On an incident report, the encounter itself is on record such that any aggression is included. The idea is to give a little something to non-combatant pilots who still have encounters, such as logi, haulers who "got away", even a bubble encounter is in the report. It would help players have more to show for their "role" and involvement in the game. Whether it's even possible who knows - that's a lot of information to push around. A task I would not want. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 142	Posted - 2016.03.17 08:48:43 - [28] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: An idea often proposed by people with red killboards. Seriously, this is the equivalent of asking Nintendo to remove the points counter in Mario because you feel uncomfortable that your friends may recognize how bad you are at the game when they compare your stats to their own. In EVE like in Mario this is more a personal problem of the player and not of the game. I know you say that you don't care at all and just ignore the killboard, and you probably even believe that yourself. But if you even toy with the idea that the whole score board should get burned down it really shows how much it actually bothers you deep down. Maybe just get better at the game if you care that much what other players think of your performance or maybe this is just not the right game for you then. Or could it be that people are annoyed, that other people put so much value into a biased indicator? You are intelligent enough that I don't have to point out the limitations of the current killboards to you. To call someone bad based on killboard statistics is just not very well founded. I am not saying it should go, I enjoy the intel I get from it, but i also get why people can get tired of being judged based on your killboard when applying for a corp for example. A solo player in lowsec will have a lower efficiency than a blopper, even if they have the same skill. This is also fine, as the blopper is using the tools of EVE better. But I dislike the notion that you can assess if people are good and bad based on their killboard score. I get why you think that. You want that #74 position in 2014 to mean something (congratulations on that), and that is also okay. No reason to belittle people with another opinion though "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1106	Posted - 2016.03.17 10:50:28 - [29] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: We would still fight over whether or not you can make pot noodles in the sacred teapot. So after I've noticed your corp and as I look at your post... I'm not sure if I've had a glimpse of one of the most intriguing mysteries in the history of New Eden capsuleer conflicts or if it's just a Red herring. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3718	Posted - 2016.03.17 11:01:08 - [30] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: By the marvelously simple and extreme logic you just applied, a T3 Cruiser vs. an unarmed shuttle is a fair fight.. My point is that "fair fights" are almost mythical in Eve. If you lose, eIther you're outnumbered or your ship isn't adequately fitted to go up against whatever the other guy brought. That's the same whether you're mining, flying a PVE battleship, or just got your active tank neuted out in a duel at the sun. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2383	Posted - 2016.03.17 13:53:35 - [31] - Quote sero Hita wrote: I get why you think that. You want that #74 position in 2014 to mean something (congratulations on that), and that is also okay. No reason to belittle people with another opinion though Actually that was not from the killboard bot from deinflated killboard data which accounts for killmail whoring. I don't say that the current killboards are perfect. There are certainly different opinions about how you should value kills in EVE. For example if you value the ship loss ratio you may consider me really bad, since I usually burn a Catalyst and a noob ship per kill and sometimes I fail a gank which just adds to the losses. So my kill/death ratio is 1/2 at best. Now do I care because you may judge me on that stat and cry for the removal of it? Probably not, the stats I am interested in is the amount of ISK damage I did, I don't really care about the rest. So if the stat you are interested is not on the killboard that is too bad for you. But instead of crying and propose the removal of killboards why not rather ask for more data from CCP to build the score board you are actually interested in? If it isn't kills/death or economic damage, how about amount of ore mined, npc's killed, stuff produced or stuff sold on the market? I think it would be awesome to have more data to build different score boards which don't only focus on ship combat. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 142	Posted - 2016.03.17 15:52:22 - [32] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: So if the stat you are interested is not on the killboard that is too bad for you. But instead of crying and propose the removal of killboards why not rather ask for more data from CCP to build the score board you are actually interested in? If it isn't kills/death or economic damage, how about amount of ore mined, npc's killed, stuff produced or stuff sold on the market? I think it would be awesome to have more data to build different score boards which don't only focus on ship combat. Well, I can only agree with that. I use Zkillboards quite a lot myself. I also don't think EVE would be better without.. And it definitely would be nice with boards for other parameters. I did not get btw. if the crying part was pointed in my direction, because then you did not get the intension of my posting. It was entirely adressed at the tone in your post, not the content. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2383	Posted - 2016.03.17 16:16:23 - [33] - Quote sero Hita wrote: I did not get btw. if the crying part was pointed in my direction, because then you did not get the intension of my posting. It was entirely adressed at the tone in your post, not the content. Nah, that was not pointed at you but at all the people who create threads and cry about killboards ruining the game for them or something. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ashlar Maidstone Moonfyre Science and Research Inc. 216	Posted - 2016.03.17 16:21:21 - [34] - Quote I don't find Killboards to be really all that great and no Eve won't die in a glorious ball of fire. I do however find it amusing and entertaining when you look at the victim, what they flew, what was fitted and I seen some really awful fits to be honest. The aggressors however you look at what they flew,fitted and so on is another matter. Killboards in my own honest opinions are just over kill and really provide nothing in value, except maybe to rethink outside the box on fitting. Ship values and the related items are in a sense over rated but hey, this is Eve after all.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 142	Posted - 2016.03.17 22:39:37 - [35] - Quote Ashlar Maidstone wrote: provide nothing in value, except maybe to rethink outside the box on fitting. That is alot of value though.... plus you can also get info if someone are more or less likely to be baiting you. Is the person more or less prone to be fiting blaster or rail? mwd or AB? You can ofc. not be 100% sure but I have in multiple cases been able to estimate the fit, based on zkillboard. I think that is of high value. But that is ofc. just my opinion. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4428	Posted - 2016.03.18 01:13:02 - [36] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Killboards are an essential part of the game. It's like "racing for pinks" - street racing where you don't know what's under the car's hood until you beat it in a race - or lose your own car trying. "pinks" means "Pink slip" going back to the days when cars in the USA had registrations cards that were pink. Racing for pinks meant you raced other drivers and lost your car to them or won their car. (And thankfully I never lost my '72 Dodge Challenger and still have a Mercury Cyclone I once raced against, but I didn't have the beat the owner: he gave it up when he decided to become a family man) What always bugged me about killboards are that they are limited to kills. While a report of a kill or loss should never go away, if it were up to me I would make them into "incident reports" and not have to go as far as a kill. In cases where there is no ship destruction there is no loadout displayed. On an incident report, the encounter itself is on record such that any aggression is included. The idea is to give a little something to non-combatant pilots who still have encounters, such as logi, haulers who "got away", even a bubble encounter is in the report. It would help players have more to show for their "role" and involvement in the game. Whether it's even possible who knows - that's a lot of information to push around. A task I would not want. ::Aside to Herzog, please continue:: Mercury Cyclone! Dang, I'm not sure I've ever even seen one of those! And I'm old enough to have as a kid. That is a nice gem to have in the garage. What would Lee "Scratch" Perry and The Upsetters do?
Pix Severus Empty You 3596	Posted - 2016.03.18 01:47:51 - [37] - Quote Khan Wrenth wrote: The official excuse that I heard was, "We made a change to API stuff which made it trivial to watchlist everyone in EvE with a few mouseclicks. We have no better recourse at this time, so we're going to shut down the feature before it gets out of control". The reason the players, myself not quite included, hammered on about was the "too powerful without having to work for it"...it wasn't the Devs admitting that. The only reason I brought it up was because the devs did admit it. Regardless, I love killboards and I think they are far too useful, and fun, to remove. I just don't like the reasoning behind the watchlist changes. -ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 678	Posted - 2016.03.18 02:29:34 - [38] - Quote Only thing Id change about killboards is delaying the posting, even autoposting, to several hours or at dt perhaps after a kill is made simply to delay the global reach of a kills details. Whos fighting where and with who etc issues. In a game that is gauged in LYs and spread over hundreds of solar systems Id love to see it be a bit more realistic for information dissemination in that regard. The other thing is only showing either modules destroyed or modules dropped but not both. Leave SOME guess work to the mail. Both on fits and loot totals to the victor. Other than that it doesnt bother me but I do prefer less information in Eve. Or at least less instant information. The watchlist and things like jump fatigue, yes as much as some bitched about it, were a GOOD thing and made events happening in real time less of a dogpile. I consider Dotlan data as well as killboards to be much of the same ilk. Delay that information and you provide more guesswork in calculations, reduce the amount of information and again you create more unknowns. Humanity has a propensity to desire absolute knowledge, to create more efficiency yet the reality is that unknowns make things exciting and interesting. If you knew everything youd be extremely bored. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.


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