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Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.12 21:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Buckarius on 28/12/2003 15:43:40 OUTER RING SOCIETY(ORS) and Umlat in particular have been claiming that ARCADIA ALLIANCE is supporting pirates. This has been confirmed by the following evidence provided by a member of Carebears on Weed (COW) who asked to remain any anonymous. Channelname: WildCard conversation Listener: *** Session started: 2003.12.12 18:49:48 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.12.12 18:50:08 ] WildCard > hi, perhaps better u stay away [ 2003.12.12 18:50:20 ] * > lol [ 2003.12.12 18:50:27 ] * > you all can fight it out. [ 2003.12.12 18:50:39 ] * > We are not taking sides [ 2003.12.12 18:50:40 ] WildCard > we have nothing with u [ 2003.12.12 18:50:57 ] WildCard > im not sure if ors/FA does [ 2003.12.12 18:51:01 ] WildCard > and let u pass [ 2003.12.12 18:51:19 ] * > Well, I was not going to interfere [ 2003.12.12 18:51:32 ] * > But Teratles killed my indy [ 2003.12.12 18:51:33 ] WildCard > hehe :) better yes [ 2003.12.12 18:51:56 ] WildCard > well perhaps we can work out a nap [ 2003.12.12 18:52:08 ] WildCard > cow killed arcadia members 2 in the past [ 2003.12.12 18:52:15 ] * > ok, we might be able to do that. [ 2003.12.12 18:52:36 ] WildCard > we are much more intersted in ors as in cow [ 2003.12.12 18:52:49 ] * > Well, we hate ORS too. [ 2003.12.12 18:53:08 ] * > We are pkers, but at least we admit it. [ 2003.12.12 18:53:28 ] WildCard > and with tlbc and moo i have had very fair fights [ 2003.12.12 18:53:34 ] WildCard > so 44 me is it ok [ 2003.12.12 18:53:54 ] WildCard > ecah one in his profession [ 2003.12.12 18:53:57 ] WildCard > ;) [ 2003.12.12 18:55:22 ] * > :) [ 2003.12.12 18:56:12 ] *> Are you at the fd-mlj gate? [ 2003.12.12 18:56:13 ] WildCard > ok closing window now, take care [ 2003.12.12 18:56:22 ] WildCard > na atm at save [ 2003.12.12 18:56:39 ] * > ok [ 2003.12.12 18:56:46 ] * > closing out. Even more interesting was the follow-up EVE-mail sent by Wildcard (SteelVipers) to the COW member: 2003.12.12 18:58:47 good, you leave with no problems, I tell them not to shoot you. Would you consider maybe helping us in future? if you kill ors BS we will pay reward of ship bpc. let me know. Hmmm... they obviously do not support nor deal with pirates...Yea right! Why would an ORS member such as myself deal with pirates you ask? As you can read below, a simple comment opened the whole can. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: * (COW) conversation Listener: Buckarius Session started: 2003.12.12 19:22:01 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.12.12 19:22:08 ] * > Are you fighting with or against FA? [ 2003.12.12 19:27:23 ] Buckarius > with FA [ 2003.12.12 19:27:27 ] Buckarius > against Arcadia [ 2003.12.12 19:28:00 ] * > Arcadia wants a NAP with us. [ 2003.12.12 19:29:11 ] Buckarius > how do you mean - they want a NAP with you? [ 2003.12.12 19:30:34 ] * > they want a NAP with us and are offering us ship BPC's for every one of your ships that we kill. [ 2003.12.12 19:31:20 ] Buckarius > so did you guys do the deal? Or what you think of doing? [ 2003.12.12 19:31:33 ] * > unknown atm. [ 2003.12.12 19:31:38 ] * > brb [ 2003.12.12 19:35:11 ] * > ok, I'm back [ 2003.12.12 19:35:37 ] Buckarius > so this makes quite a case [ 2003.12.12 19:35:42 ] Buckarius > against Arcadia though [ 2003.12.12 19:35:56 ] Buckarius > where they actually approach pirates & try to do deals with 'em [ 2003.12.12 19:36:06 ] * > they just offered today. [ 2003.12.12 19:36:30 ] * > Anyway, we are not mercenaries [ 2003.12.12 19:36:51 ] Buckarius > not that worried about having you guys in battle.... just fact that they had the balls to even propose such a deal... [ 2003.12.12 19:38:12 ] Buckarius > do you recall guy who tried to make that deal? [ 2003.12.12 19:38:26 ] Buckarius > time to bring him a little visit.... [ 2003.12.12 19:38:52 ] * > give me a list of the guys in xm2 [ 2003.12.12 19:38:59 ] * > and I'll tell you. [ 2003.12.12 19:39:32 ] Buckarius > Soulchaser [ 2003.12.12 19:39:49 ] Buckarius > Xian / 8t88 [ 2003.12.12 19:39:53 ] Buckarius > skalp [ 2003.12.12 19:40:37 ] Buckarius > now all left [ 2003.12.12 19:41:02 ] * > It was a steel viper [ 2003.12.12 19:41:02 ] Buckarius > stue [ 2003.12.12 19:41:05 ] Buckarius > zeus [ 2003.12.12 19:41:41 ] * > I think it started with a B [ 2003.12.12 19:41:53 ] * > He was in steelviper [ 2003.12.12 19:44:06 ] Buckarius > yea - not that familiar with all their guys... wish they still were in X-M so I could go over that list... seems they all fled when FA came in [ 2003.12.12 19:45:59 ] *
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Buckarius on 12/12/2003 22:04:41 [ 2003.12.12 19:46:46 ] *** > no, not that I know of. [ 2003.12.12 19:48:40 ] Buckarius > could you go to CCP/EVE/CAPTURE/CHATLOGS [ 2003.12.12 19:48:59 ] Buckarius > it should have tons of log files there - if it happened today, easily to be found back [ 2003.12.12 19:50:57 ] * > Well, I have to wait and see what we are going to do first. [ 2003.12.12 19:51:22 ] Buckarius > that's cool - just figured if you could find it now - you wouldn't have to look back far next time :) [ 2003.12.12 19:51:35 ] Buckarius > it remains very valuable to know [ 2003.12.12 19:52:30 ] * > cool [ 2003.12.12 19:52:43 ] * > Hold on [ 2003.12.12 19:52:56 ] Buckarius > ok [ 2003.12.12 20:05:29 ] Buckarius > any luck? [ 2003.12.12 20:16:44 ] * > I found it [ 2003.12.12 20:17:02 ] Buckarius > great ! [ 2003.12.12 20:17:11 ] Buckarius > could you email me that document? [ 2003.12.12 20:17:35 ] * > ok, cool [ 2003.12.12 20:17:42 ] Buckarius > too big for evemail? [ 2003.12.12 20:17:50 ] Buckarius > just email me if you could [ 2003.12.12 20:17:50 ] * > It is not much, but it shows them offering us a NAP. [ 2003.12.12 20:18:04 ] * > Is that what you need? [ 2003.12.12 20:18:09 ] Buckarius > yes sir! [ 2003.12.12 20:18:10 ] * > Them offering the NAP? [ 2003.12.12 20:18:21 ] * > ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.12.12 20:18:58 ] Buckarius > you got the one with the BPC offer? [ 2003.12.12 20:19:36 ] * > that was in an evemail [ 2003.12.12 20:19:45 ] * > hold on [ 2003.12.12 20:19:48 ] Buckarius > that will then show how they try to work with pirates [ 2003.12.12 20:19:57 ] Buckarius > awesome [ 2003.12.12 20:25:49 ] * > Sorry, was doing a trade. getting the mail now [ 2003.12.12 20:25:53 ] Buckarius > thx [ 2003.12.12 20:26:31 ] Buckarius > who sent that? [ 2003.12.12 20:26:44 ] * > wildcard [ 2003.12.12 20:26:46 ] * > same guy [ 2003.12.12 20:26:54 ] * > right after I jumped into fd [ 2003.12.12 20:27:06 ] * > they let me by [ 2003.12.12 20:27:29 ] * > and he sent me a mail [ 2003.12.12 20:27:40 ] Buckarius > awesome info [ 2003.12.12 20:28:10 ] * > ok [ 2003.12.12 20:28:20 ] Buckarius > keep me updated on that stuff if you don't mind [ 2003.12.12 20:28:30 ] * > Try to keep my name out of it. [ 2003.12.12 20:28:36 ] *** > ok, will do. [ 2003.12.12 20:28:55 ] Buckarius > thx
Negotiator	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:14:00 - [3]
ghost437	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:18:00 - [4] Representatives from the Arcadia alliance, whose alliance had been fighting against the well-known Evolution corporation last week, denied all involvements with pirates. "Arcadia never allowed any pirate to go anywhere, we allowed them to taste our broadsides." said Soulchaser, a member of Arcadia. "The accusations against Arcadia are MORE than vague. No proof has been offered, except for hearsay and Umlat's word." said Stue, the Arcadian who moderated the conference. The above is from todays ingame news. What more needs to be said?
ghost437	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:18:00 - [5] Representatives from the Arcadia alliance, whose alliance had been fighting against the well-known Evolution corporation last week, denied all involvements with pirates. "Arcadia never allowed any pirate to go anywhere, we allowed them to taste our broadsides." said Soulchaser, a member of Arcadia. "The accusations against Arcadia are MORE than vague. No proof has been offered, except for hearsay and Umlat's word." said Stue, the Arcadian who moderated the conference. The above is from todays ingame news. What more needs to be said?
Lakta Ligunai	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:35:00 - [6] sweet
HostageTaker	Posted - 2003.12.12 22:56:00 - [7] Talk about having your nuts in a vise Arcadia! Nice work Bucky!
Osceola	Posted - 2003.12.12 23:16:00 - [8] Well, I would ask for a screen shot of that second convo you have posted up there. Showing something that is much harder to create or alter. That chat log is way to easy to create out of thin air. I'm in no way a supporter of Arcadia nor do I have ties with ORS. This is just an easy post to dispute and deny for Arcadia.
Soulchaser	Posted - 2003.12.12 23:59:00 - [9] Edited by: Soulchaser on 13/12/2003 00:12:43 best laugh i ever had, really. just to make sure u are not going to da such a bad fake again: Steelvipers are not members of arcadia. You CANT have seen stue in local there as he where docked in 2P all the day while beeing afk. but hey, really nice try. and another thing. if it where no fake it still would be YOU who makes deals with pirates too or why should anyone tell you such stuff? please note that this is a personal statement and not from arcadia. and sorry for your raven buck -----------------------------
Noobious	Posted - 2003.12.13 00:22:00 - [10] Seems to me that some one spent far too much time makeing up some propaganda for the hounds on the forum very sad guys you can do better than that :/
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.13 01:14:00 - [11] LOL Buckarius if I rember right SteelVipers shoots down that Gost4xx somewhat the "right Hand" of that Umlat. Ok u was in that sector, I ask u if u are with ORS. (We don't want to shoot on brave pilots) And sure u said "No". And we did we let u leave. And what u did next? U shoot down Wohoo in his indy. Congratz. Ok, since then u was realy on our kill List. And yes we killed u today. Just in at that time as I should have done the convo .) Ok i understand that u are a litte mad that u have lost u Raven today (I know its expencive). And i also know that u have time now to fake chat logs. But shouldn't u do what u realy can do best? Take a few miner1s and sit in front of a nice roid. Quote: 2003.12.12 18:58:47 good, you leave with no problems, I tell them not to shoot you. Would you consider maybe helping us in future? if you kill ors BS we will pay reward of ship bpc. let me know Umm btw in this part of the fake u have forgotten the [] and the name that should have pasted 2, i guess it should be me or? However who cares. ORS Down 7 BS and a few Cruisers Arcadia Down 1 BS SteelVipers down 1 Rifer., 1 Moa But who is counting..... -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.12.13 03:35:00 - [12] Edited by: feroci0us on 13/12/2003 03:36:39 just to let you know wildcard, i believe ORS completely, and just to prove that your a lying mofo, take a look.. the part that you speak about wild card is an EVEMAIL...which as you can see below has No Brackets OR a name with it, dummy! :) 2003.05.16 18:04:00 1 of Gallente Frigate sold to Sir Adam for 40000 (40000 per item) by Center for Advanced Studies and waits at Sir Adam's hangar at Olide IV - Moon 4 - Center for Advanced Studies School for pickup. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
schwanzuslongus	Posted - 2003.12.13 06:13:00 - [13] lol, a COW that doesn't know how to get the Chatlogs and doesn't want to have his name public? hehe, lmao I think the COWs r better then that, never meet one cauze i'm rather new to this game. But afaik about the COWs they r no n00bs, or?!?!?
Tache Uzelin	Posted - 2003.12.13 09:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Tache Uzelin on 13/12/2003 09:32:38 He he,it realy seems that ORS wants FA Ally to get into their war. And they try everythink for that. But if i rember right i saw SteelVipers fighting vs COW.
Xian	Posted - 2003.12.13 09:36:00 - [15] okay to make all clear ...for every ship you shoot down from us buckaruis, you will lose 3 of your own... We are no Pk¦s but you are.... i remember the last two days you have shoot down 2 of our ships...no its time for revenge! And we dont support Pirats...we just Support people that would like to kill "You" and your corp. If you want to work against us..your fault..we gave u free pass..but u still shoot at us... So bad luck... Roving Guns
Stue	Posted - 2003.12.13 10:23:00 - [16] Well, what can i say? I am really missing the proper words to define this. The ORS seems to become more desperate. They declared inofficial war against Arcadia and they seem not to be able to prevail as their great leader umlat wanted them to believe they would. I can not confirm this 100% but the numbers that Wildcard posted are about correct. The ORS military is in no way able to perform their alleged claim on Syndicate and Cloud Ring. So I take this thread and the faked conversations as an attempt of political assassination. It does not surprise me that the ORS is coming up with something like that at this time. Tonite, the FA council will be in a session to discuss their stance to Arcadia and the conflict between Arcadia and the ORS. So probably the intention of the ORS is to bend the opinions of FA corporations a little before the matter will be decided on tonight. All i can say is that Arcadia has had to deal with false accusations like this before in the past. But never did those accusations hit a low level like this. Creating faked chatlogs is probably the lowest possible form of dealing with your enemy. Now to your chatlogs: In the conversation, your anonymous source from Carebears on Weed claims to have seen me in XM2. Fact is, i have not been in XM2 for almost 2 weeks. Infact, i havent even undocked in quite a few days from the station in 0LTQ (not 2P like Soulchaser said above). This is simply because i have alot of work to do at the moment as representative and diplomat. So your anonymous pirate source must have either been lying or you were simply making things up without even knowing all necessary information. As said above, the ORS military is in no way able to perform their alleged claim on Syndicate and Cloud Ring. So what reason would there be for Arcadia and/or Steelvipers to seek support in pirate corporations? And last, Steelvipers are not Arcadia. So unless you can come up with a conversation between your mysterious anonymous pirate source and me, the chatlogs posted above have nothing to do with Arcadia.
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.13 12:03:00 - [17] Edited by: Buckarius on 13/12/2003 12:03:42 Having read your replies, I wasn't expecting any sudden confessions on your part. But, I was rather amazed by some of your answers. One of your close allies (SteelVipers), who you fight alongside with, seems to be a quite a compromising position with this evidence presented. However, several times in this thread alone, Arcadia has looked the other way upon hearing this latest news and quickly washes its hands by saying that SteelVipers have nothing to do with Arcadia!? To clear a couple of your confusions, when I heard the COW member was approached by one of Arcadia, I threw out a few names. When he brought up SteelVipers, I mentioned a few names I recalled seeing up north. Neither the COW member nor myself ever stated we saw Stue in X-M. Furthermore, ORS was laughing it up on TeamSpeak when Wildcard actually approached me asking if I was ORS, given I had just taken out one of his guys. I played along - knowing it wouldn't take long before (1) his member would report me, (2) you would actually bother to check my personal info and find out. I trust my leader(s) 110% - something a lot of Arcadia probably can't say - and have given up battleships for the Outer Ring Society's cause as was the case with my Raven yesterday. Do you think I'm going to waste playing my valuable EVE time by concocting this entire story instead of putting together a new ship? All I can say is that I was man enough to step forward with this, knowing the avalanche of critique I would get, in the hope people would start to realize Arcadia Alliance isn't all what they claim to be. Shame that the Arcadia members involved in this aren't stepping up to the plate. You & I know it: you got caught with your pants down.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2003.12.13 12:47:00 - [18] Is it true the ORS claims outer ring and denies access to all ? I would be interested in the correctness of that assumption. Rod Blaine Colossus Technologies _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Masta Killah	Posted - 2003.12.13 13:04:00 - [19] hi buckarius I was in system with wildcard 2 days ago we let you pass because you tell us you are nice and dont want to attack us, and you are hasn't been noticed as an agressiv pilot at this moment. you have promised to leave the warzone, we spare you ship and let you go and wish you a save travel. ONE DAY LATER YOU HAVE ATTACK ME WHITH BLACK 5 AND LAKTA ###? NEAR AN STATION (sorry nice try/but i was not afk.... welcome at KOS-list) point 2:yesterday you was commodity analystic ltd (no offical ors-member...at least yesterday)not geeklab...so you answer that wildcard should check your status is a lie in me mind.
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.12.13 14:07:00 - [20] Quote: Is it true the ORS claims outer ring and denies access to all ? No, Outer ring Society lets all people 'pass-thru' its systems at their leisure, they are only in the outer ring to keep it from pirates. They are an organization of corporations that founded in outer ring and decided to upheav and overthrow the pirate denizens who decided to 'setup' shop in 4c-b7x and the surrounding systems. As you now notice, the outer ring has no pirates in, well, i could think of some friends up north in syndicate, but thats besides the point now isnt it wildcard. The point of this reply is that ORS i would say takes the stand of CFS....you can pass through our space...use our space...to a certain degree...but you start pirating in our space...your basically dead;) gday Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.13 14:30:00 - [21] Edited by: WildCard on 13/12/2003 15:59:02 Realy guy's, i can't hear it anymore that SteelVipers are pirating or support Pirates... -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.13 15:12:00 - [22] @feroci0us: So far as i see it 1/2 of ORS are a little Trigger Happy and shoot on all people (Not only Arcadia and SteelVipers). The other's do what they should do, Protect the Outer Ring vs PK. It's a little hard to know who is enemy and who not. We realy try to seperate that carfully. Only the ORS Corps that act agressive vs Arcadia and/or SteelVipers are on our Lists. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Stue	Posted - 2003.12.13 15:54:00 - [23] Steelvipers are not Arcadia. Steelvipers cooperate with Arcadia. Steelvipers represent themselves and speak for themselves. I never said they have nothing to do with Arcadia. One thing i have to correct myself on: Buckarius was the one who wrote my name (among others) in the conversation. Im sorry for the misunderstanding. The confusion about your belonging to the ORS is due to the fact that at the time of the mentioned event you were a member of the Commodity Analytics Ltd. [COMMO]. This corporation has no relation to the ORS written in its description. As a proof, here is a screenshot of the corp description, captured today at 12:50 server time. And to proof that you were a member of COMMO, here is a gamelog of a fight involving you yesterday. Quote: 2003.12.12 19:16:59 ] (notify) Xian [STV] has started trying to warp scramble Buckarius [COMMO] So you can not claim, that you could have easily been identified as an ORS member. Infact, you were hiding your real identity as an ORS member. Also, you were given a chance to leave unharmed. You took that chance, only to turn against Arcadia and Steelvipers afterwards. Furthermore, i want to take this opportunity to ask all ORS corporations that DO NOT support their leaders in this conflict and thus DO NOT want to take part in the fights to contact me. We are currently compiling a list of corporations that are to be considered not hostile. We are trying our best to not do harm to innocent parties. A funny note at the end: In the talk with umlat, which was supposed to be negotiations but rather were demands from his side, he offered Arcadia 3 options: 1. Vacate the Syndicate and Cloud Ring regions 2. Join the ORS, become members of the Outer Ring Society 3. Be "wiped off of the map" Why he offered Arcadia to join the ORS when, at the same time, he claims that Arcadia were pirate supporters, is quite confusing. Unsurprisingly, Arcadia declined.
schwanzuslongus	Posted - 2003.12.13 16:45:00 - [24] Edited by: schwanzuslongus on 13/12/2003 16:45:40 Quote: Isn't it strange that from the moment that ORS claimed the Syndicate and Could Ring regions, the CAoP starts attacking ORS and FA? Mhm, i think thats very interesting. Its not what u've said, but wich question u have asked. I'm new to eve and its politics, but I'm bored @work and have browsed the whole day in the eve forums. The intresting point is that Arcadia is very often reportet to fight against pirates and PKs, while everytime they r fighting against this factions (TLBC/Evolution and now ORS) flame the forums about Arcadia is suporting pirates! More intresting for this War is that ORS is calling for EVOLUTION to help them. Evoulution seem to be a PK Corp, for what i've read @ the Forums. Could somebody explain this to me plz?
Mjr Tom	Posted - 2003.12.13 17:49:00 - [25] Quote: Evoulution seem to be a PK Corp, for what i've read @ the Forums. Could somebody explain this to me plz? Evolution are an interesting bunch of people who are quite nomadic (since they left Fountain, that is). They have gone into systems and stayed for a few days mining or hunting or whatever else they could do, and would attempt to keep others out of their way with more diplomatic means than violence. If the people would not comply, violence would be used as a last resort. More recently, Evolution have been killing members of the Curse Alliance, who are considered by most to be pirates (although that claim is strictly denied from within). Evolution does not hunt innocents or destory them for whatever goods they have on thier ship. If someone is killed, it is for a reason. Of course, it would be alot better to have an EVOL explain it, as I don't know everything about them...
tux666	Posted - 2003.12.13 21:29:00 - [26] Edited by: tux666 on 13/12/2003 21:32:40
AzHole	Posted - 2003.12.14 06:58:00 - [27] Edited by: AzHole on 14/12/2003 07:05:29 It seems perhaps someone missed the more obvious possibility. Let's take a moment to think here. I am an ORS member, so I'm going to trust what my society mate says he has in logs and in evemails. Everyone else can agree/disagree, but that doesnt matter. I believe what he has in his logs to be real. But, according to Wildcard, the evidence is false, its faked, etc, whatever he wants to say to deny it. He might be correct as well. Think about it for a minute. If both sides are right (the log is real, but the info it has is false), what's the only LOGICAL conclusion people? We are dealing with a pirate that supplied the information. How many times has a pirate actually given someone useful and truthful information (no offense guys)? Its not in their interest to do so. It's in their interest, however, to throw fuel on a small fire, and make it a big one, in order to have the parties concentrate on eachother, and miss everything else. This is an OLD strategy, but you have to see it as one. Now, I'm not saying the anonymous pirate is a liar, I'm not saying the logs are fake, and I'm not saying that Wildcard really had or didnt have this conversation. What I AM saying is, look at it from their point of view (the pirates), wouldn't this be a bright idea to do? Wouldn't it be the thing you'd do if you had the chance and opportunity? -Az-
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.14 10:39:00 - [28] What we are a little confused about is: If Buckarius declare he is an Pirate Hunter or in a Pirate Hunter Corp which wiped COW out of FD,so why then should a COW member apply informations to him? A little amazing... Hehe, i see that Buckarius joind Geeklab last days. May be Geeklab has some serius personal problems now? Are u realy shure that let him join was a good idear? The real question is "Who takes the pros and cons if Aracdia/SteelVipers are in War with some ORS Corps?" Before that all started we all where fightig side by side vs the well known Pirate Corps. Someone should think about that.(on both sides) However, once agin, we don't leave our homesystems. Also we don't acept that Umlat trys to tell us what we have to do. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.14 11:27:00 - [29] as i have said b4.... STEEL VIPERS WERE MINING WITH TLBC in xzh-4x. A few FA brothers and I rushed to catch them. Steel Vipers stayed in the system cause noone would think they were together. We come in, then they act like they were not together. I have a picture of eightbit asking stue if he was full as soon as i jumped back in while tailing 8bit. when we attacked a member of steel vipers, named hudini, tibor forenic tried to come to his rescue but warped away. 2003.11.15 18:47:41 ] Tibor Ferenc > c'mon guys say somthing [ 2003.11.15 18:47:52 ] Tibor Ferenc > dont be shy [ 2003.11.15 18:48:01 ] Deadflip2 > yeh =) [ 2003.11.15 18:48:19 ] Deadflip2 > tsss big ships but no guts to speak =P [ 2003.11.15 18:48:28 ] Deadflip2 > im in a indy and u guys shot at me! [ 2003.11.15 18:48:32 ] Deadflip2 > thats not fair :( [ 2003.11.15 18:49:31 ] Tibor Ferenc > im suprised you guys have not found me yet you do know how to use a scanner dont ya [ 2003.11.15 18:50:02 ] arkad > hi all [ 2003.11.15 18:50:10 ] arkad > good to see u [ 2003.11.15 18:50:15 ] Xyber > hey FA, how ya's doing? [ 2003.11.15 18:50:21 ] Evol Muhan > ØØØØØØØØhey biotchesØØ [ 2003.11.15 18:50:55 ] arkad > sithewok thats a funny name [ 2003.11.15 18:51:29 ] Skillz > you can being to start using your scanners FA [ 2003.11.15 18:51:41 ] Skillz > and you won't find ** [ 2003.11.15 18:52:00 ] arkad > unless ur scanning yourselves : ) [ 2003.11.15 18:52:11 ] Sid Riker > hmmm..... [ 2003.11.15 18:52:16 ] Sid Riker > i spit on u [ 2003.11.15 18:52:24 ] arkad > hi sid bud hows it going? [ 2003.11.15 18:52:29 ] Skillz > why don't the FA gank the Arkadia Alliance instead? [ 2003.11.15 18:52:33 ] arkad > thanks for helping me out that time [ 2003.11.15 18:52:37 ] Xyber > u hafta fidn me first [ 2003.11.15 18:52:44 ] Skillz > then you might score some kills [ 2003.11.15 18:53:06 ] Sid Riker > hmmm, think we dont have to find u 8) [ 2003.11.15 18:53:19 ] arkad > lol [ 2003.11.15 18:53:19 ] Sid Riker > u will run, like every time, ... [ 2003.11.15 18:53:36 ] Skillz > we're smart pirates, not dead newbs [ 2003.11.15 18:53:54 ] Sid Riker > nets [ 2003.11.15 18:53:56 ] Xyber > oh of course we will, we're outnumber by how much? [ 2003.11.15 18:53:56 ] arkad > wll im dumb as they come [ 2003.11.15 18:54:27 ] Skillz > everytime we match your numbers, you warp FA, so stfu [ 2003.11.15 18:54:27 ] arkad > well thats usual 1 tlbc can take out 3 fa usually : ) [ 2003.11.15 18:54:38 ] WildCard > sure [ 2003.11.15 18:55:02 ] arkad > wild card whats that thing on ur head dude? [ 2003.11.15 18:55:10 ] Skillz > get some lubricant and do what you do best, FA [ 2003.11.15 18:55:41 ] arkad > come on lets spice up the local channel with some quality banter : ) [ 2003.11.15 18:56:21 ] Skillz > Logging off Skillz, logging in my corp theft accounts [ 2003.11.15 18:56:26 ] Skillz > /emotewaves [ 2003.11.15 18:56:34 ] arkad > cya dude [ 2003.11.15 18:56:45 ] Xyber > cya skillz, have fun [ 2003.11.15 18:56:49 ] Skillz > see you later [ 2003.11.15 18:57:27 ] arkad > guys this message is for all u fa [ 2003.11.15 18:57:55 ] arkad > if u cant banter in the local then your wasting your time here [ 2003.11.15 18:58:13 ] arkad > the 4 stars rymes with bum [ 2003.11.15 18:58:28 ] arkad > ryhmes [ 2003.11.15 18:59:24 ] arkad > lol [ 2003.11.15 19:10:24 ] arkad > woow hot chillie [ 2003.11.15 19:10:29 ] arkad > cant beat it [ 2003.11.15 19:10:39 ] Tibor Ferenc > is harbinger accepting applicants atm? [ 2003.11.15 19:10:51 ] arkad > so fa..tell us about yourselves? [ 2003.11.15 19:11:08 ] Tibor Ferenc > got an alt who's almost as talkative as you guys [ 2003.11.15 19:12:09 ] arkad > does fa stand for fu all? [ 2003.11.15 19:12:12 ] Xyber > they just don't want to embaris themselves [ 2003.11.15 19:12:43 ] arkad > true dude [ 2003.11.15 19:14:24 ] arkad > children of the damned..... [ 2003.11.15 19:16:47 ] arkad > ..... [ 2003.11.15 19:17:08 ] arkad > plop [ 2003.11.15 19:17:15 ] arkad > whizzzz [ 2003.11.15 19:17:20 ] arkad > bang [ 2003.11.15 19:18:38 ] HuDiNi > why not using your corp- or gang-channel for the small talk? [ 2003.11.15 19:18:51 ] HuDiNi > u r reading to much comics i think 8) [ 2003.11.15 19:19:00 ] arkad > lol we hace ts for that : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:19:07 ] arkad > *have [ 2003.11.15 19:19:07 ] HuDiNi > and this is how stupid your mind is, ... [ 2003.11.15 19:19:21 ] Xyber > I dunno but with my experience, most corp that have cmped me have head the decensy to atleast hold a decent conversation [ 2003.11.15 19:19:27 ] arkad > im very stupid thats how come i understand u : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:19:50 ] arkad > ok let me know when u start one : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:20:12 ] HuDiNi > sorry english isnt my native languege, but if u want we can continue in german 8) [ 2003.11.15 19:20:12 ] Xyber > call us stupid all you want, however we aren't the ones missing the mienrs that are in plain sight [ 2
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.14 11:33:00 - [30] 2003.11.15 19:20:12 ] HuDiNi > sorry english isnt my native languege, but if u want we can continue in german 8) [ 2003.11.15 19:20:12 ] Xyber > call us stupid all you want, however we aren't the ones missing the mienrs that are in plain sight [ 2003.11.15 19:20:35 ] arkad > missing miners? [ 2003.11.15 19:20:53 ] arkad > i thought it was only u guys who lost miners? [ 2003.11.15 19:21:07 ] HuDiNi > we didnt, ... [ 2003.11.15 19:21:13 ] HuDiNi > <<< SteelViper [ 2003.11.15 19:21:22 ] arkad > ok so we have to work on that [ 2003.11.15 19:21:45 ] arkad > note to self: kill all steelvipers miners [ 2003.11.15 19:21:59 ] arkad > : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:22:10 ] Xyber > don't think steel viper mines per say, I think for the most part they hunt npc's in this system [ 2003.11.15 19:22:21 ] arkad > would u like us to target anyone else in your corp? [ 2003.11.15 19:22:27 ] HuDiNi > we made the mistake do not kill you arrount UDIANOOR [ 2003.11.15 19:22:33 ] arkad > its a living [ 2003.11.15 19:22:52 ] arkad > yep thanks for that...i can understand that u feared me [ 2003.11.15 19:23:03 ] arkad > is a great system [ 2003.11.15 19:23:14 ] arkad > i started the game there [ 2003.11.15 19:24:23 ] HuDiNi > u played Jumpgate in the past? [ 2003.11.15 19:24:37 ] arkad > nope any good? [ 2003.11.15 19:25:10 ] HuDiNi > the the pirates knew how to pirate [ 2003.11.15 19:25:27 ] HuDiNi > in EVE i ve never met a pirate [ 2003.11.15 19:25:35 ] HuDiNi > only stupi PKs [ 2003.11.15 19:25:42 ] HuDiNi > *stupid [ 2003.11.15 19:26:53 ] arkad > sorry mate talking to mates their [ 2003.11.15 19:27:02 ] HuDiNi > and believe me, i really dont understand what u r doing in EVE [ 2003.11.15 19:27:05 ] arkad > define stupid? [ 2003.11.15 19:27:25 ] HuDiNi > u kill players u POD players [ 2003.11.15 19:27:30 ] HuDiNi > u earn no money [ 2003.11.15 19:27:34 ] arkad > yep [ 2003.11.15 19:27:43 ] arkad > sometimes we get lucky [ 2003.11.15 19:27:46 ] Xyber > we are killing pople upon the masses, we call ourselves pirates now, but we were never the oens who came up with the name [ 2003.11.15 19:27:48 ] arkad > but i play for the fun of it [ 2003.11.15 19:28:02 ] HuDiNi > u spend a lot of time with 10-15 ships at FD [ 2003.11.15 19:28:08 ] arkad > ive done it all in eve [ 2003.11.15 19:28:15 ] HuDiNi > u kill 1 pilot per hour there [ 2003.11.15 19:28:22 ] arkad > so now i just like pvp [ 2003.11.15 19:28:34 ] arkad > gives fa something to do as well : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:28:44 ] HuDiNi > 1 pilot killed per hour by 10 -15 PKs [ 2003.11.15 19:28:47 ] arkad > without us fa wouldnt have a purpose : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:28:55 ] HuDiNi > this is stupid, do u agree? [ 2003.11.15 19:29:21 ] arkad > to stupid to understand what u mean by stupid? [ 2003.11.15 19:29:21 ] HuDiNi > what u r doing here is not PVP! [ 2003.11.15 19:29:45 ] arkad > well we dont have enough pilots here [ 2003.11.15 19:30:02 ] HuDiNi > u have enopugh at FD [ 2003.11.15 19:30:02 ] arkad > ive been in several wars [ 2003.11.15 19:30:07 ] HuDiNi > but also no PVP there [ 2003.11.15 19:30:19 ] arkad > and when we have been up against equal numbers we win [ 2003.11.15 19:30:25 ] arkad > hands down [ 2003.11.15 19:30:39 ] arkad > yeah but we are going to rule the universe [ 2003.11.15 19:30:48 ] HuDiNi > lol [ 2003.11.15 19:31:03 ] arkad > so we have to start looking further afield : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:31:48 ] HuDiNi > to learn how acting like pirats, you should read some homepages from pirate corps playing JumpGate as well [ 2003.11.15 19:32:07 ] arkad > ok [ 2003.11.15 19:32:29 ] arkad > well i only speak for myself u understand [ 2003.11.15 19:32:35 ] arkad > not the whole corp [ 2003.11.15 19:32:40 ] HuDiNi > sure 8) [ 2003.11.15 19:32:44 ] arkad > but i gotta go now [ 2003.11.15 19:32:52 ] arkad > nights drinking ahead [ 2003.11.15 19:33:00 ] arkad > pod u later : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:33:11 ] HuDiNi > i understand, its WE, ... [ 2003.11.15 19:33:38 ] Tibor Ferenc > sned a link then pls hud [ 2003.11.15 19:33:54 ] arkad > we? [ 2003.11.15 19:34:04 ] HuDiNi > www.jumpgate.com should still be up [ 2003.11.15 19:34:04 ] Tibor Ferenc > weekend [ 2003.11.15 19:34:13 ] arkad > k : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:34:25 ] Tibor Ferenc > what's jumpin like any good? [ 2003.11.15 19:34:31 ] arkad > might be back on later drunk in charge of spaceship [ 2003.11.15 19:34:36 ] arkad > u might stand a chance then : ) [ 2003.11.15 19:34:40 ] Tibor Ferenc > hehe [ 2003.11.15 19:35:18 ] HuDiNi > jumgate link: www.jossh.com [ 2003.11.15 19:35:18 ] arkad > laters all have to dod this more often [ 2003.11.15 19:35:28 ] arkad > cheers [ 2003.11.15 19:35:46 ] HuDiNi > C YA, under better signs, ... [ 2003.11.15 19:35:54 ] arkad > never [ 2003.11.15 19:36:00 ] arkad > :) [ 2003.11.15 19:36:03 ] arkad > under better signs [ 2003.11.15 19:36:08 ] arkad > its good to be bad [ 2003.11.15 19:36:23 ] HuDiNi > u can still be bad then [ 2003.11.15 19:36:33 ] HuDiN
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.14 11:48:00 - [31] To me you would have to be NUTZ to mine in the same DEAD END (one way in/out) system with known pkers. I mean, if they have haulers there hauling the same thing your hauling, why did they not cap you at the gate and take your ore? why? cause you were lending them a hand mining, they came in to help mine and haul. Skills was in a bestower btw.
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.14 11:54:00 - [32] Edited by: WildCard on 14/12/2003 11:55:14 @SithEwok Cout It be that read that chat wrong? Quote: [ 2003.11.15 18:52:37 ] Xyber > u hafta fidn me first [ 2003.11.15 18:52:44 ] Skillz > then you might score some kills [ 2003.11.15 18:53:06 ] Sid Riker > hmmm, think we dont have to find u 8) [ 2003.11.15 18:53:19 ] arkad > lol [ 2003.11.15 18:53:19 ] Sid Riker > u will run, like every time, ... [ 2003.11.15 18:53:36 ] Skillz > we're smart pirates, not dead newbs [ 2003.11.15 18:53:54 ] Sid Riker > nets [ 2003.11.15 18:53:56 ] Xyber > oh of course I can confirm that the convo u posted isn't faked. But what it says? We where surrounded of TLBC members in XZH. We tryed to get em. But we got already bored to jump to them and cant traged them cuz they jumped away as soon they saw us.Pirate tactics what else. So we where very glad to see FA entering sace to support us. Hudini was thinking at that moment, that he is save now. And TBLC will go away from xzh. So he jumped back in his belt.But WTF did u do? U killed Hudini. We realy didn't expeced that. The enemy for us was TLBC not FA. Otherwise maybe we would have hided at a save pos, since u outnumberd us. All i can say, shame on u for that, we where full suprised about that. What do u think why Hudini didn't warped away as u jumped in his belt with 4 bs? Think a little about that.... * Sid Riker = SteelViper -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.14 12:00:00 - [33] Edited by: WildCard on 14/12/2003 12:01:13 @SithEwok: Hehe we didn't mine. With no hauling guy. We was chainkilling there. Then we tryed to get arkard. --Well see the first replay. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Stue	Posted - 2003.12.14 14:15:00 - [34] Funny how all strings run together in one topic again. HHI still seems to be persistent about their accusations from four weeks ago. I wont comment on that. I rather will give the readers some follow-up links to speak for themselves: Need explanation from Fountain Alliance! Need explanation from the Arcadian Alliance And about the Arcadia-Evolution conflict: Arcadia Vs Evolution: Big trouble in Little Syndicate
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.14 14:56:00 - [35] @SithEwok: Here u answer about that, a few weeks ago 2003.11.16 19:51:00 RGR wildcard. Sorry about the loss of your teammates ship. We were hunting tlbc, and would have appreciated a convo. Apparently there should have been communication between us so that we would not have fired, and would have systematically searched the area's there. TLBC is paying someone to mine for them and I am hoping to make sure that I find out WH0. The problem was lack of communication leads to friendly fire. My deepest appologies, lesson learned from both sides. We warped into an area that everyone was considered hostile or working for tlbc -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:53:00 - [36] [ 2003.11.16 04:10:54 ] SithEwok > ON 3 JUMP [ 2003.11.16 04:11:10 ] SithEwok > 3 2 1 [ 2003.11.16 04:11:14 ] SithEwok > JUMP [ 2003.11.16 04:12:32 ] SithEwok > warp to me if you do not see me [ 2003.11.16 04:24:58 ] Remo Williams > Ronin head to A-sj [ 2003.11.16 04:25:24 ] Ronin > k [ 2003.11.16 04:44:24 ] CREATURE > y [ 2003.11.16 04:57:58 ] SithEwok > JUMP [ 2003.11.16 05:00:55 ] Eightbit > stue are you full? [ 2003.11.16 05:11:15 ] Stue > full of beer? or full of ****? [ 2003.11.16 05:12:08 ] Stue > btw nice try. you like to take advantage of this dont you [ 2003.11.16 05:14:06 ] Stue > you are pathetic. all i gotta say
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:56:00 - [37] Hey SithEwok, you really need to work on your logic skills. They are somewhat lacking... I think it's safe to say that you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer.. All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Xian	Posted - 2003.12.14 22:35:00 - [38] 1> If we, the Steelvipers are Pirats why should we shoot down other Pirats in FD- and PF- 2> i remember the day i fly¦d right into FA (systems) without knowing that i have too pay a fee "daft but true"...and i remember that i got a Pass from them "even in my discription stands Steelvipers. 3> i remember the day that Tlbc shot me down (Apoka BS) in FD...because i wanted to fly to, 2p-. i was bloody angry and would of liked to kill them. 4> Tlbc disbands juhuuu that was my thinking 5> Evolution came up and shot down Acardia and Steelvipers,and everything else what had Afterburners. 6> if you (ORS) hunt Pirats ,and want to claim these systems..where the hell where u when we had War with Evolution?! 7> now they have gone u showd up....and what are you doing you shoot us down...and you try to tell US that you are no Pirat corp.. You and your mates Buckarius + Umlat are hidding behind a Positiv Sec. Stat..nothing else 8> Yes it may be a fight about territory, its Acardia and steelvipers home,but we are not the owners,we have no problem with people that want too make isk and work for there Corps. But we have a problem with people that just pull the trigger and dont think about it! 9> i will say it the last time, we the(steelvipers)and the Acadia Alliance do not share our goods with Pirats.. nore even with Pk¦s. But for every ship we lose we act like every other corp. WE CALL IT REVENGE Roving Guns
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.16 14:34:00 - [39] Just think it's rather weird to see Arcadia Alliance troops bring ORS a 'visit' right when we were fighting off Curse Alliance in our home system. Even though the pirates (referring to CA now) were there for quite some time, it didn't take long for the Arcadia guys to leave. You'd figure if they had something 'good' to prove, they'd fight off CA as well instead of showing up 'en masse' and then backing away calmly. Mind you, while they were there for that short period, they sat at one of the existing gates telling people they're not attacking anyone as long as they're not attacked?! Provocation anyone?
Teratles	Posted - 2003.12.16 15:11:00 - [40] Quote: Just think it's rather weird to see Arcadia Alliance troops bring ORS a 'visit' right when we were fighting off Curse Alliance in our home system. Even though the pirates (referring to CA now) were there for quite some time, it didn't take long for the Arcadia guys to leave. You'd figure if they had something 'good' to prove, they'd fight off CA as well instead of showing up 'en masse' and then backing away calmly. Mind you, while they were there for that short period, they sat at one of the existing gates telling people they're not attacking anyone as long as they're not attacked?! Provocation anyone? You will the next one wo get outed as PK. You left your Corp and hide in a neutral corp to kill two Steelvipers. After the next Patch everyone can see what corp you join and what you left. So everyone will see Buckarius is a PK. So wo trust a PK?
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.16 16:08:00 - [41] Edited by: Buckarius on 16/12/2003 16:13:11 That's funny. Whenever you see Arcadia, you see SteelVipers and vice versa, but if something negative comes up, you immediately wash your hands and say you have nothing to do with one another. Feel free to check my background and you'll see I've only been in one Corp. since my EVE-playing days started. I was invited to join GEEKLAB after those few incidents with Arcadia. I was (and am) proud to be one of their members since, after all, GEEKLAB was the merging result of the original corporations who cleared the Outer Ring from the pirates and will continue to put resources in keeping it that way.
AlexisMachine	Posted - 2003.12.16 16:29:00 - [42] Quote: You will the next one wo get outed as PK. You left your Corp and hide in a neutral corp to kill two Steelvipers. After the next Patch everyone can see what corp you join and what you left. So everyone will see Buckarius is a PK. So wo trust a PK? 1st off: In regards to Buckarius being a PK. He has only recently even gotten involved in PvP (a bangup job he's done at it too if I might say so). 2nd: The only other corp Buck was a member of was his own which was also a ORS member corp. He joined geeklab just recently and is a great asset. ORS and geeklab are not and have never been pirates. Sure we're PK'ers in the sense that we've fought player pirates and other player threats in regions we operate in. But that hardly makes us pirates. We will ofcourse retaliate to any hostile acts towards us. For this reason I must stress that Arcadia/Steel-Vipers fired shots first. Where are you getting these unfounded claims from Teratles? Unban Lord Zap and Reverend
glasl	Posted - 2003.12.16 16:36:00 - [43] I hate liars so much!
Xian	Posted - 2003.12.17 00:43:00 - [44] not just you glasl... but who cares?! we still know the truth and who ever belives that Bull**** shall do so all i can say about killing Pk¦s is that, that is the job from bounty Hunters (i dont want to make somebody elses job ) not our¦s. We just attack, who attack¦s us! Roving Guns
Teratles	Posted - 2003.12.17 03:04:00 - [45] Quote: Quote: You will the next one wo get outed as PK. You left your Corp and hide in a neutral corp to kill two Steelvipers. After the next Patch everyone can see what corp you join and what you left. So everyone will see Buckarius is a PK. So wo trust a PK? 1st off: In regards to Buckarius being a PK. He has only recently even gotten involved in PvP (a bangup job he's done at it too if I might say so). 2nd: The only other corp Buck was a member of was his own which was also a ORS member corp. He joined geeklab just recently and is a great asset. ORS and geeklab are not and have never been pirates. Sure we're PK'ers in the sense that we've fought player pirates and other player threats in regions we operate in. But that hardly makes us pirates. We will ofcourse retaliate to any hostile acts towards us. For this reason I must stress that Arcadia/Steel-Vipers fired shots first. Where are you getting these unfounded claims from Teratles? http://bilder.dekore.net/what.jpg Image tages removed. please dont post images - Eris Discordia Pictures says more then 1000 words. Backarius attakes me 5 days ago as member of Commodity Analytics Ltd., and Commodity Analytics Ltd. is not a member of ORS! So what is Backarius? Yes a PK! And where did he hide now? In the Corp "Geeklab"! I love this Patch
Stue	Posted - 2003.12.17 03:27:00 - [46] Oh and about Arcadia and/or Steelvipers opening fire on ORS first: I shall look through my logs and find the part of conversation i had with umlat at the very day the firefights started. I proved that ORS fired first by pasting a gamelog of the indicent. Umlat however didnt accept that as a proof and started threatening Arcadia instead. Also, afterwards, it has been confirmed by the agressor himself, that ORS was ordered to fire first. Oh and hi Buckarius. You have been exposed to be a liar and pirate. Your credibility is dead. Please stop posting. Thanks.
Masta Killah	Posted - 2003.12.17 05:57:00 - [47] was in xzh few days ago. Bucarius attacked several NEUTRAL pilots (crimson falcon, ect.) whith PASSIVE TARGETER. Why he use such equidment, if he is no pk (no pk-pirate is better) btw: a fair duel between buck and me or buck and soulchaser was denined from him (he only wants harm innocent miners and npc-hunters)
Masta Killah	Posted - 2003.12.17 06:01:00 - [48] at this moment he was member of greeklab. one question at all of greeklab (umlat?) is greeklab now an pk-corp, or failed i im my mind?? thx for buck in your corp..... it are never be easier to see how ors lost authentics (only see in local where buckarius is, thats rumble)
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:20:00 - [49] Anyway, we know it, Buky and u know it't buck. And be sure we meet again and again. And be sure i don't let u leave then... The time u was able to shoot our indys and cruisers is over. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:51:00 - [50] Regardless of whether or not you question the legitimacy of this chat (and I believe it's legitimate); What the log shows is that Arcadia is offering the reward for ORS kills as of recently, and does not necessarily confirm they were supporting pirates before the war started. It would be quite a reasonable tactic to enlist support of mercenary PKers to assist in a war. Furthermore, It doesn't justify starting the war, however does justify continuing it. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Teratles	Posted - 2003.12.17 14:49:00 - [51] Edited by: Teratles on 17/12/2003 14:52:01 Quote: Regardless of whether or not you question the legitimacy of this chat (and I believe it's legitimate); What the log shows is that Arcadia is offering the reward for ORS kills as of recently, and does not necessarily confirm they were supporting pirates before the war started. It would be quite a reasonable tactic to enlist support of mercenary PKers to assist in a war. Furthermore, It doesn't justify starting the war, however does justify continuing it. The log says Teratles kills this Cow. :) And for everyone, Steelviper are Friends/Allis of Arcadia, but oure Diplomatic we make self. Steelviper speek for Steelviper and Arcadia speeks for Arcadia.
WildCard	Posted - 2003.12.17 15:01:00 - [52] Umm,Diplomatic? Does we have such an office? -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Xian	Posted - 2003.12.17 18:40:00 - [53] nope we dont Wildcard...*gg but do we need one? naa not really ... its just more work Roving Guns
Colonel Kurtz	Posted - 2003.12.17 19:06:00 - [54] Edited by: Colonel Kurtz on 17/12/2003 19:09:30 Things you missed in XZH the other day.... [ 2003.12.13 13:41:14 ] Juan Andalusian > run [ 2003.12.13 13:41:16 ] Juan Andalusian > chicke**** [ 2003.12.13 13:41:20 ] Juan Andalusian > rofl [ 2003.12.13 13:41:25 ] Juan Andalusian > what did you think [ 2003.12.13 13:41:30 ] Juan Andalusian > chainers cant fight back? [ 2003.12.13 13:41:50 ] Juan Andalusian > guys she is less than half armor .... [ 2003.12.13 13:45:55 ] Colonel Kurtz > buck- you just attacked NON-arcadia members ...... [ 2003.12.13 13:46:10 ] Juan Andalusian > why do you use a passive targeter? ..... [ 2003.12.13 13:46:18 ] Juan Andalusian > since you are not a pirate? Just one interesting thing- Why is somebody using a passive targeter in a 0.0 system? I dont think that the NPCs care...
SpeedoMan	Posted - 2003.12.17 21:31:00 - [55] Quote: 1> If we, the Steelvipers are Pirats why should we shoot down other Pirats in FD- and PF ...i guess that's why you dont shoot down pirates there then ;) Quote: 5> Evolution came up and shot down Acardia and Steelvipers,and everything else what had Afterburners. 6> if you (ORS) hunt Pirats ,and want to claim these systems..where the hell where u when we had War with Evolution?! ...this explains a lot. EVOL is a PK corp, not a pirate corp. They protect their own interests, meaning Steel Vipers and Arcadia obviously did something extremely STUPID to ** off EVOL. ORS had no reason to help you against EVOL, it's not their business, EVOL aren't pirates, and it was your own fault you started a war with EVOL. On many occasions i see ORS ships patrolling and actively ganking pirates in Syndicate/Cloud. Chatting, sharing info, being good gamers. I never see Arcadia patrolling or even chatting. Do I believe the sort of intelligence and motives that had a war with EVOL corp, and now turns around and starts trying to ** off ORS, an established regional alliance? Nope, lol, sorry. If you guys want any sort of credibility or respectability, you're going to have to earn it by other methods than so far. Like chill out for awhile. :P Soban... red all the way through and through
LykkehojDK	Posted - 2003.12.17 21:35:00 - [56] ...
Xian	Posted - 2003.12.17 23:36:00 - [57] Speedoman..... Thats buuuuull**** Pk¦s and Pirats just do the same they kill noobs and harmless pilots... that makes too me no diffrence! Roving Guns
Stue	Posted - 2003.12.18 01:04:00 - [58] SpeedoMan, everything you said can be ignored, because you obviously dont know the facts. Arcadia did not start the conflict with Evolution. (Anybody who wants to deny this can look up the thread i posted several posts above. SirMolle confirmed it himself.) And Arcadia did not start the conflict with the ORS either. (We still lack of an honest official statement from the ORS on this issue.) In both cases Arcadia was attacked first and reacted appropriately. Does anyone want to deny that Arcadia reacted in an appropriate way? Please stick to the facts. Its no use discussing things that are not up for discussion.
myggan	Posted - 2003.12.23 16:51:00 - [59] This topic needs to go to the firstpage again
Cawt Yrmanlookin	Posted - 2003.12.23 17:51:00 - [60] Quote: Edited by: Tache Uzelin on 13/12/2003 09:32:38 He he,it realy seems that ORS wants FA Ally to get into their war. And they try everythink for that. But if i rember right i saw SteelVipers fighting vs COW. Quote: They don't need to TRY and get us to help in their war, all they have to do is call us up!!! A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.12.24 11:40:00 - [61] It's a known fact that several Geeklab pilots attack neutrals randomly in the area. Pain is meant to be felt
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.27 13:47:00 - [62] Edited by: Buckarius on 27/12/2003 19:14:31 As they say - a picture is a 1,000 words. This is what their Corp. description says: Corp.description NO excuses can justify the following. This is what you get when you check out their LIKES under STANDINGS: Standings - LIKES Curious if the Arcadia PR men are going to state I made all of this up as well.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.12.27 17:42:00 - [63] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/12/2003 18:06:32 These standings are an oversight. They were set back in the days when T5 was working with Endless Corporation down in Curse and I simply missed to set them anew, my apologies for this oversight. Tbh I don¦t even know why I set them that way... prolly to get rid of all the threat popups or something I may also point out that especially RUS wasn¦t always a PK corp and tbh I don¦t really know if they really are. What I know is that they used to work against PKs back in the days when we were operating in curse, same goes for Mega corp of which I don¦t even know if they still exist. I will only make this statement once so listen up you forum ****s and especially you Buckarius-Coward: Tech 5 Incorporated is not* supporting or working with PKs and their corporations in any way and we never will. If you think that we are friendly towards PK corps then come down to syndicate and watch us blowing up their ships and pods with Arcadia. On a sidenote, if you need Buckarius the funny little forum troll corphopper to help you making decisions about what T5 is and who we work/don¦t work with you may crawl back under your stone and think about your way to make such decisions. Come meet us, talk to us, fly with us and you will instantly realise that T5 has never and will never support PKers in any way. Many freelancing pilots and smaller corporations in syndicate will be happy to tell you how T5 and Arcadia work against PKs wherever we can. Don¦t let trolls like Buckarius infest your minds with their funny little crusades here on the boards. Log into the game, come down to where we are, watch us, talk to us, then make your decision. Over and Out. The standings have been corrected to reflect the real standing of T5 towards these corps. Again, my apologies for any misunderstandings or inconvenience this may have caused and thanks to Buck the troll for pointing out that error to me. Mai's Idealog
Buckarius	Posted - 2003.12.28 15:41:00 - [64] I thought you would come back with a better excuse than this one. It was rather anti-climactic for me as I saw lots of apologies and figured you were about to apologize to me since I've been saying all along Arcadia Alliance supports pirates. Actually, the "oversight" on your part was quite a SNAFU since most of us playing on Chaos saw your guys' real intentions thanks to the STANDINGS feature, which was there long before it finally got introduced with Castor.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.12.28 16:40:00 - [65] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 28/12/2003 20:36:54 Buckarius it doesn¦t matter what bs you¦re trying to spread over the forums. People who actually deal with us ingame know completely well that everything you¦ve said in here is nothing but a lame attempt at making Arcadia look bad. It won¦t work my friend, because unlike cowards and liars like you we don¦t come up here spreading lies and accusations all over the place... we let ingame actions do the talking and nothing you¦ll be spreading around here will change that. Actually, you should be happy that I bother to reply to a lying and corphopping backstabber like you. End of discussion. Mai's Idealog
Jurushy	Posted - 2004.01.02 17:29:00 - [66] one question: wher are the members of ors gone their sectors are mostly empty end the few which stay inside the systems are docked at the station. so what is happend with ors?
Teratles	Posted - 2004.01.02 22:29:00 - [67] ORS is back into Empire Space. To much Arcadia in where Home System!
Euthanasia	Posted - 2004.01.03 16:15:00 - [68] Edited by: Euthanasia on 03/01/2004 16:23:19 Edited by: Euthanasia on 03/01/2004 16:20:53 Hilarious thread. I really mean that. Seeing some of the worst guys in the game trying to give themselves an area of 'legitimity'. Is one big ROFL really. Hey Mastah Killa, you said: "You are hasn't been noticed as an agressiv pilot at this moment." That was exactly what I tried to tell you in eve-mail after you PK'd me. (No I dont mind it THAT much, its the way you did it without giving me a chance to pay or negotiate which made me upset.) But you are not only a pirate, but a liar who tries to present you in such a false way (yes using YOUR own words again) ... its really silly! Same for you Soulchaser. No honor = No respect No regards for you. Euthie
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.01.03 17:17:00 - [69] stop bumping I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Teratles	Posted - 2004.01.04 03:38:00 - [70] Quote: Edited by: Euthanasia on 03/01/2004 16:23:19 Edited by: Euthanasia on 03/01/2004 16:20:53 Hilarious thread. I really mean that. Seeing some of the worst guys in the game trying to give themselves an area of 'legitimity'. Is one big ROFL really. Hey Mastah Killa, you said: "You are hasn't been noticed as an agressiv pilot at this moment." That was exactly what I tried to tell you in eve-mail after you PK'd me. (No I dont mind it THAT much, its the way you did it without giving me a chance to pay or negotiate which made me upset.) But you are not only a pirate, but a liar who tries to present you in such a false way (yes using YOUR own words again) ... its really silly! Same for you Soulchaser. No honor = No respect No regards for you. Euthie Show your Corp if you have something to say about this war. So everyone knows you are ORS or Arcadia. Have a happy new year :)
Masta Killah	Posted - 2004.01.04 08:49:00 - [71] @ Euthanasia: if you wish to npc-hunt save in that region we opperate, dont become part of a lokal pk-corp (mafia)
Tor'Nar'Rok	Posted - 2004.01.04 10:43:00 - [72] hmmmm cant bump this so wow what a chat log, Interesting read. Cow is involded hmm, can you really trust the evidence? "I have the brain of Tank CEO, its in a jar on my desk"
Euthanasia	Posted - 2004.01.04 13:36:00 - [73] Dont start that crap about 'pk corp' again Masta Killer! Your corp is also, so just a big 'Huh' for that comment! Yeetch! But that isnt the issue at all here. Rather your role as self appointed judge and executioner! And then you have the guts to make comments like that in this thread when you and Soulchaser are a 200 proof pirates yourself! As said to you in eve-mail: I prefer any of the ordinary pirates to anyone like you. Because they do at least admit to being killers and griefers. And with them I dont have to deal with the inflated ego of a person who runs around the game using your selfrighness as an excuse to kill all and everything you encounter. No regards - only contempt Euthie
Jurushy	Posted - 2004.01.04 14:00:00 - [74] thats very hard Euthanasia but in my opinion ors have only 3 ways -surrender -leave into empire space -lost more and more ships and finaly run into self destruction
Euthanasia	Posted - 2004.01.04 15:43:00 - [75] Hello Jurushy. Hard words - no it very well deserved. Your suggestions are sound ones, but you dont know the details. Loosing ships, oh that might happen. And as I said, the cost of the ship want the real issue here. (Doesnt matter, my alt makes enough money to keep me going indefinitely.) The lies in this thread and they way these griefers choose to play rather is. Surrender isnt one option since these guys fight an undeclared war against us. And thats have been said in the eve-mailed communictations to these pirates Mastah Killer and Soulchaser. 'If you got a problem with the corp then declare war' - they wont. Obviously they prefer griefing and piracy and then try influencing the forums by stating here they got some 'just cause' and whatever. Dont fall for this crap please. They accuse the entire corp for being a PK one since a single member have been running border patrol for our alliance. And what he did then is not different than what Course, PIE or Fountain alliance do when they encounter non-alliance corps in their space. I on the other hand, was in low security, but NOT in their space. Thats another lie of this guy. Since they dont make amends, I have my freedom to tell the truth about what they really are. Your friend Euthie
HostageTaker	Posted - 2004.01.04 16:09:00 - [76] Quote: one question: wher are the members of ors gone their sectors are mostly empty end the few which stay inside the systems are docked at the station. so what is happend with ors? 95% of all ORS are running agent missions for Tech 2 R&D / components...
Teratles	Posted - 2004.01.05 20:45:00 - [77] umlat > i am done with this back and forth nonsense , we are pirate free , we are honest and have a good rep , you all were offered a chance to stay on with no toll and no ill will , nothing at all but a chance to cooperate Picture says more then Mio. words?
ghost437	Posted - 2004.01.06 01:25:00 - [78] Edited by: ghost437 on 06/01/2004 01:48:47 How nice of you to notice. Here is a picture for you...enjoy tha pic
Teratles	Posted - 2004.01.06 05:23:00 - [79] Quote: Edited by: ghost437 on 06/01/2004 01:48:47 How nice of you to notice. Here is a picture for you...enjoy tha pic I see you kill CEO Teratles whats not this Char! You kill my Transport Char. He can only loss his Ship.
ghost437	Posted - 2004.01.06 06:50:00 - [80] yes i know, u also lost your bistot.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.01.06 07:47:00 - [81] Yes Ghost left Geeklab and went over to the darkside. Buckarius did not invent Tech-5 screenshots. In fact I found them so flame me for them IF you must flame someone for finding them. Obviously nobody alleges that they were faked. We have had them for a while before they were posted and no one can figure out why a neutral or a pirate-hating corporation, that Tech-5 professes to be, would set a positive standing to Sinister and M3G4 corps.
Euthanasia	Posted - 2004.01.06 15:16:00 - [82] Thank you for your eve-mail Teratles. So im on your corporations and your personal KOS list now also. What possible justification do you have for that? Until now I have been accused of only two things in this game. 1: A lamer, this when I was on the previous mining and production corp Majestic, now defunct since the CEO went MIA over a month ago. 2: Here in forums called a 'carebear' since I dont subscibe to the idea of having pirate players going around on a quest to blow up all and everything since its counterproductive to the game as a whole. (Nothing against the ones who ask for toll/protectionmoney that all fits within this roleplaying MMPORG, ill happily play up to 25% of the ships value.) Well the Aridia agenda and what appropriate label your coalition should have must be glaringly clear now. (Puts on sunglasses). In any of the 3 attacks on me I didnt even shoot back, yes must be carebear and lamer to the core aint I? So why do you maintain this harassment against me then? Since I havnt caused the slightest damage to your ships it cant be a reason. Is it that you demand payment for the cost of the ammuntition and missiles you are using to blow me up with? Euthanasia 'Developing a mean streak'
WildCard	Posted - 2004.01.07 00:54:00 - [83] Well Buckarius started that topic with "ARCADIA ALLIANCE is supporting pirates..." Since he joined COW i have to support him now? Seems that it was he who was always near 2 COW. lol -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Buckarius	Posted - 2004.01.07 05:43:00 - [84] The original intent of this topic was to expose Arcadia Alliance for the liars they really are. Despite all the evidence presented against them, they have kept on denying to support pirates. Rather sad, don't you think? We all know that recent changes to EVE game-play (Castor) made PvP-ing more challenging, which lays at the basis of my decision to go full-time with an active PvP players team. Regardless of where you'll be looking to judge me, one constant you will see is the dedication I put forward into the believes of that Corporation / Alliance. That right there is hard to find nowadays in EVE with all the back-stabbers, liars & corp.thieves. See you in space very soon. Regards, Buckarius
Motaka	Posted - 2004.01.07 05:53:00 - [85]
Euthanasia	Posted - 2004.01.07 16:18:00 - [86] WildCard: I guess desperation creates desperate alliances. If Buckarius signed up with Cow, i guess its desperate way of trying to retaliate. With my situation I can understand that, sadly. Talking about retaliating, my reply to Teratles was after I had eve-mailed him saying that I did had no intention of attacking first regardless of circumstances. His reply was simply that I was on the KOS list. So the madness within the Arkadia alliance seems to be spreading. What about Mad max Motaka? Its a member of Die Hanse, known podkilling corp so whats new? Euthie
Lysanne	Posted - 2004.01.07 21:00:00 - [87] Buckarius is member of COW now. thread closed. need translation ?
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.01.08 09:57:00 - [88] Quote: The original intent of this topic was to expose Arcadia Alliance for the liars they really are. Despite all the evidence presented against them, they have kept on denying to support pirates. Rather sad, don't you think? We all know that recent changes to EVE game-play (Castor) made PvP-ing more challenging, which lays at the basis of my decision to go full-time with an active PvP players team. Regardless of where you'll be looking to judge me, one constant you will see is the dedication I put forward into the believes of that Corporation / Alliance. That right there is hard to find nowadays in EVE with all the back-stabbers, liars & corp.thieves. See you in space very soon. Regards, Buckarius Buckarius and Ghost have both been in a group of 1 Megathron, 1 Blackbird, 1 Celestis, 1 Tristan, 1 Thorax and another cruiser that went up against a single Caracal 6 v 1. That fight ended up with the Blackbird being destroyed and Buckarius Celestis warping out to save it's ass. Enough said about their PvPing skills. COW should be proud it has recruited such skilled pilots. Pain is meant to be felt
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2004.01.08 11:00:00 - [89] Oh man i'm getting sick of this. Arcadia Alliance are not supporting pirates, they are always hunting them. Saw this with my own eyes in FD-MLJ for example. If u want to make propaganda against em, then please make it at least in a clever way. This is ridiculous. POINT [G] - Pink Power
WildCard	Posted - 2004.01.08 12:55:00 - [90] Euthanasia: SteelVipers tryed always to seperate "good" and "bad" ORS Members/Corps. In case we where unsure we didn't fire against your pilots, and serveral ships we let leave. Well and since Ghost and Bukarius are in COW, we know where we have 2 seach them. (In PF at Orvolle Gate in a "ready 2 jump" position) -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2004.01.09 02:06:00 - [91] Quote: Euthanasia: SteelVipers tryed always to seperate "good" and "bad" ORS Members/Corps. In case we where unsure we didn't fire against your pilots, and serveral ships we let leave. Well and since Ghost and Bukarius are in COW, we know where we have 2 seach them. (In PF at Orvolle Gate in a "ready 2 jump" position) ah wildcard to shouting the odds i see. hope to see you soon pf aint the same without you and your many chums
Buckarius	Posted - 2004.01.11 20:27:00 - [92] This thread isn't going anywhere anymore. It will always be the case of "he said, she said". re: Juan Andalusian - I can't recollect that event you described. Ghost & myself with a bunch of other people against one single Caracal & still losing? Please, just stop posting nonsense like that, you're coming across as an idiot! (For the record, several of my Corp.members can confirm that I've only had access to just a few ships since I've become c0w, with Celestis not being one of 'em.)
Ywev	Posted - 2004.01.12 00:11:00 - [93] Arcadia alliance gives m0o free ore and ships, and a bunch of other stuff, just wanted ya all to know this, so it would lift my spirit. Pod ya later.. Ywev
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.01.12 10:01:00 - [94] Quote: This thread isn't going anywhere anymore. It will always be the case of "he said, she said". re: Juan Andalusian - I can't recollect that event you described. Ghost & myself with a bunch of other people against one single Caracal & still losing? Please, just stop posting nonsense like that, you're coming across as an idiot! (For the record, several of my Corp.members can confirm that I've only had access to just a few ships since I've become c0w, with Celestis not being one of 'em.) You were both still in Geeklabs when that fight took place. Quote: Please, just stop posting nonsense like that, you're coming across as an idiot! The person who started a thread in an attempt to accuse others of piracy and who now is a member of COW is stating that i am coming across as an idiot. That could well qualify for a new definition of irony. Pain is meant to be felt
Buckarius	Posted - 2004.01.12 15:18:00 - [95] Irony sure... however, I wanted a more active PvP player corporation & where else to go for that than with one of EVE's most (in)famous pirate corporations? PvP action guaranteed, let me tell ya! Juan - Drop me a note when you decide to totally switch to the 'Dark Side', we might get along quite well
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:18:00 - [96] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 12/01/2004 16:18:32 Buck you¦re a liar and a c0w-ard. For the others: Feel free to visit the Arcadia or Tech 5 official messageboards if you have any questions or concerns. You¦re also welcome to visit the T5 OOG-homepage to gain a better understanding about who we are and what we do in EvE. Whatever you do... just do me and others in the universe a favor and don¦t let corphopping backstabbers like our little friend Buck form your opinion about T5, Arcadia or any other corporation in eve. Come and see for yourself, then decide whether you like us or not. Mai's Idealog
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.01.12 22:49:00 - [97] Quote: Juan - Drop me a note when you decide to totally switch to the 'Dark Side', we might get along quite well I've been there lass, good money, good action, but i need a purpose as well. Besides you get worthier opponents when fighting pirates... most of the time. Pain is meant to be felt
Kerry	Posted - 2004.01.16 20:07:00 - [98] Quote: Irony sure... however, I wanted a more active PvP player corporation & where else to go for that than with one of EVE's most (in)famous pirate corporations? PvP action guaranteed, let me tell ya! LOL Buckarius The Buccaneer Shall I call you Buckaneerius? YARR!!! Here is a link for you to learn up on how to talk like a pirate... Talk Like A Pirate CYA in game soon "Matey" YARR YARR!!!!

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