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Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
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Posted - 2016.03.21 20:48:26 -
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As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1407
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Posted - 2016.03.21 20:54:48 -
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None of that will save you. There is one thing that will save you, but I'm not telling.
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Paranoid Loyd
8741
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Posted - 2016.03.21 20:58:20 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:None of that will save you. There is one thing that will save you, but I'm not telling. This
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10028
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:06:23 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Or just sell the freighter and do what the smart people do with a spare 1.3 billion ISK.
Mr Epeen 
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11362
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:14:38 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Or just sell the freighter and do what the smart people do with a spare 1.3 billion ISK. Mr Epeen 
They go out and buy thousands upon thousands of Iteron Vs and fit cargo expanders and T2 expanded cargohold rigs?

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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
117
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:21:21 -
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Bumblefck wrote:They go out and buy thousands upon thousands of Iteron Vs and fit cargo expanders and T2 expanded cargohold rigs? 
No they go round up a thousand friends and get Battle Nereus fits and blob every Dec'cer from Amar to Jita to Dodixie. Death of a Thousand Nereus cuts!
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Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:29:34 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Or just sell the freighter and do what the smart people do with a spare 1.3 billion ISK. Mr Epeen  They go out and buy thousands upon thousands of Iteron Vs and fit cargo expanders and T2 expanded cargohold rigs? 
yes, buy by fleets of iteronV's and fly them with one account! wheeeeeee! |

W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:30:31 -
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Orca with a battle tank lol.
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Kieron VonDeux
121
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:36:00 -
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If this starts getting out of scope in what CCP thinks is inline with their game design, they will nerf hi sec ganking into history.
Wouldn't be the first time this has happened with an abused game mechanic.
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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
989
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:38:33 -
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What happened to make Hisec ganking a big thing again? Last time I was here it was around a bil in cargo got you pegged. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
4945
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:45:57 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Or just sell the freighter and do what the smart people do with a spare 1.3 billion ISK. Mr Epeen 
Hire professional haulers.
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62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
417
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:49:43 -
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Or tank with CCP instead. If you cry about something long enough, the developers cave eventually. It works! |

Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:51:03 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:If this starts getting out of scope in what CCP thinks is inline with their game design, they will nerf hi sec ganking into history.
Wouldn't be the first time this has happened with an abused game mechanic.
I'm not so sure CCP's atrocious situation THEY have created is NOT abuse by players. All they need to address is the the damage output of 60 tech 1 destroyers and static tank the freighters.
If you can get 60 crazy pilots together then i guess the freighter is going to go down.
right now it seems 38 can be rounded up. |

Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2305
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:55:07 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
I don't know where people get this stuff. Freighter kills in March are on pace to be well below last month as well as below the six month average. Do we really need this alarmist GD post?
I guess a PSA can't hurt: Freighter pilots you should tank your ships! You should also pay attention, scout your route, fly with an escort, not carry multiple billions in cargo and get yourselves a permit. Even all of this may not save you, so remember the Golden Rules of Eve and never fly something you cannot afford to lose.
Stay strong brave freighter pilots. Your strength in the face of adversity is a real inspiration to gamers everywhere. o7
Why Do They Gank?
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Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
1
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:55:35 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:What happened to make Hisec ganking a big thing again? Last time I was here it was around a bil in cargo got you pegged.
well it seems 38 10M frigs will down a freighter |

Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
1
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Posted - 2016.03.21 21:56:21 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
I don't know where people get this stuff. Freighter kills in March are on pace to be well below last month as well as below the six month average. Do we really need this alarmist GD post? I guess a PSA can't hurt: Freighter pilots you should tank your ships! You should also pay attention, scout your route, fly with an escort, not carry multiple billions in cargo and get yourselves a permit. Even all of this may not save you, so remember the Golden Rules of Eve and never fly something you cannot afford to lose. Stay strong brave freighter pilots. Your strength in the face of adversity is a real inspiration to gamers everywhere. o7
freight kills are double from Oct 2015 |

Paranoid Loyd
8741
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Posted - 2016.03.21 22:08:52 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:freight kills are double from Oct 2015 Oh we're just picking and choosing months and stats to match what we want the numbers to reflect? OK well in the same months being compared freighters have killed more than twice as many ships! Nerf freighters!
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Memphis Baas
1364
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Posted - 2016.03.21 22:17:04 -
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To be fair, he didn't say "doubled compared to what" in the title thread.
It's just the typical wording used in advertising: get more, it's better, it's cheaper, 2x the sheets, etc. |

Poddington Bare
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
303
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Posted - 2016.03.21 22:22:10 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Freighter kills in March are on pace to be well below last month as well as below the six month average.
So...you are basically saying that Eve is dying?
Is it starting to turn into RAPID?
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
49
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Posted - 2016.03.21 22:26:27 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:None of that will save you. There is one thing that will save you, but I'm not telling.
not flying a freighter ?  |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
989
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Posted - 2016.03.21 22:35:28 -
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I would also like to use this moment to comment on the record number of MTU losses I have this month in Udema to gankers. Specifically, please make sure I can actually engage you first before trying to bait me. You weren't flying minmatar, t2 salvagers can't hurt you. |

ashley Eoner
500
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Posted - 2016.03.21 23:24:15 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas.
The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it.
Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you.
Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you.
Real advice would be something like. Use an alt with webs
Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again.
If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.
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Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
1
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Posted - 2016.03.21 23:28:54 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas. The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it. Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you. Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you. Real advice would be something like. Use an alt with webs Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again. If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.
Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid. |

Knitram Relik
Running With Railguns
47
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Posted - 2016.03.21 23:39:20 -
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Look at the map. If Uedama, Niarja, or whatever is as red as Jita for kills in the last hour maybe avoid it. And get a permit. What's the worst that could happen? My whole corp is CODE. compliant and I've taken 10bil+ thru hot pipes with no problems. Just say hi to the agents in system and fly compliant. And before you reply "Grrr CODE.", have you actually tried flying compliant? |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
989
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Posted - 2016.03.21 23:48:42 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas. The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it. Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you. Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you. Real advice would be something like. Use an alt with webs Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again. If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump. Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid. I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself.
Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter.
Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad. Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves. Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion. |

ashley Eoner
500
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Posted - 2016.03.22 00:10:43 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Look at the map. If Uedama, Niarja, or whatever is as red as Jita for kills in the last hour maybe avoid it. And get a permit. What's the worst that could happen? My whole corp is CODE. compliant and I've taken 10bil+ thru hot pipes with no problems. Just say hi to the agents in system and fly compliant. And before you reply "Grrr CODE.", have you actually tried flying compliant? I'm not code compliant and I've taken hundreds of billions through the pipe.
Your little permit does nothing but feed egos. It's impossible to be compliant if they decide that they don't want you to be compliant. Quit being a tool.
NEONOVUS wrote:I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself.
Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter.
Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad. Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves. Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion. ECM bursts are weaksauce in general. I doubt there would be any real effect on the gankers as they already use ECCM and related skills. |

King Aires
Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels
185
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Posted - 2016.03.22 00:43:18 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas. The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it. Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you. Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you. Real advice would be something like. Use an alt with webs Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again. If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump. Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid. I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself. Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter. Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad. Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves. Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion.
Good to know you have absolutely no idea how ecm bursts work or what you are talking about. |

Jacques d'Orleans
2711
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Posted - 2016.03.22 01:00:18 -
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Caligula Nalelmir wrote:As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded. how to avoid: Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip. Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank. skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5. fit all lows with bulkheads 2's
Tbh, i flew four times today thru Niarja in a 30 jump tour and all i saw was autopiloting Obelisks, Charons, even a Hulk and so on. All of you autopiloting lazy prats deserve the ganks delivered to you! Simple as that! God, i need a bigger tear collector unit aka bucket!
Ah, and while we're at it, a Permit for 10M isk, would tank your Obby more than the above shytefit. Now continue whining!
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
324
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Posted - 2016.03.22 02:59:03 -
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How to avoid the majority of gankers?
Don't go to Jita. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13814
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Posted - 2016.03.22 03:01:54 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:What happened to make Hisec ganking a big thing again? Last time I was here it was around a bil in cargo got you pegged.
What happened is that CCP buffed freighters lol. Just like how buffing mining ships lead to more mining ship ganks, and anchor rigs lead to more constant bumping.
See, a certain segment of the community celebrates anytime they perceive something is going to 'nerf gankers'. They are mentally incapable of understanding who gankers are (they tend to be the types that, rather than be discouraged by nerfs, they get ticked off and emboldened by them) so they keep thinking "one more nerf" is going to do the trick.
Folks like that will never get hip to one fact: the 'answer' to gankers isn't 'nerfs', it's awareness, gameplay knowledge and mental toughness. Have those 3 things (and teach them to new players) and gankers basically don't even exist for you.
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