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Froll Li
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Froll Li on 11/02/2007 23:27:49
I have skills for the Crusader and Malediction and not many other ships, I can't even fly a Cruiser yet. But i'm looking to get into pirating.
I do have decent skills for T2 fitting and stuff but I never moved past frigates.. So as a newish person, can interceptors be used?
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:34:00 -
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Hate to inform you, but piracy with anything but the crow is very hard nowadays. Everybody fits nos, and its extremely hard to stay in a fight for long. You'll kill lots of frigs and maybe some cruisers but the rest is just a no no.
Sux 
Works well as a tackler in gangs tho, but AF's are more suited to what you want to do.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:36:00 -
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 Originally by: lofty29
Hate to inform you, but piracy with anything but the crow is very hard nowadays. Everybody fits nos, and its extremely hard to stay in a fight for long. You'll kill lots of frigs and maybe some cruisers but the rest is just a no no.
Sux
Works well as a tackler in gangs tho, but AF's are more suited to what you want to do.
no ceptor can dodge battleship nos, unless pimped for 150-200m on the scrambler alone ;)
However webifiers will beat the **** out of anything but a crow, amarr ceptors for solo piracy?
You know, i've found amarr ceptors to be the single most useless ships amarr have.
Use a punisher, or train AF.
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Militis Kolosok
Caldari
Praetorian Black Guard
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:43:00 -
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I'm interested in the topic also as I'm getting a crow next week. What ships can it take on solo, and what should it stay away from?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Militis Kolosok
I'm interested in the topic also as I'm getting a crow next week. What ships can it take on solo, and what should it stay away from?
Battleships, Huggins, Rapiers, Bhlaagorons (sp), Ashmimus (sp), curors (sp), Curses, and Pilgrims
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Militis Kolosok
Caldari
Praetorian Black Guard
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 11/02/2007 23:52:16
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Militis Kolosok
I'm interested in the topic also as I'm getting a crow next week. What ships can it take on solo, and what should it stay away from?
Battleships, Huggins, Rapiers, Bhlaagorons (sp), Ashmimus (sp), curors (sp), Curses, and Pilgrims
Really? Will I be able to break the tank of a battleship with pretty-good T1 skills (assuming the BS pilot is average)?
Your pie chart is the awesomeness.
-KolosoK- |
Jadiin
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Militis Kolosok
Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 11/02/2007 23:57:16
Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 11/02/2007 23:52:16
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Militis Kolosok
I'm interested in the topic also as I'm getting a crow next week. What ships can it take on solo, and what should it stay away from?
Battleships, Huggins, Rapiers, Bhlaagorons (sp), Ashmimus (sp), curors (sp), Curses, and Pilgrims
Really? Will I be able to break the tank of a battleship with pretty-good T1 skills and gear (assuming the BS pilot is average)?
Your pie chart is the awesomeness.
You do realise that was a list of things to stay away from right??
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Ikvar
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 00:08:00 -
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It's very hard to belt pirate because no one really uses the belts. Gates or people's safes/mission spots are the best place to kill people.
Originally by: Rekindle
I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Militis Kolosok
Caldari
Praetorian Black Guard
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Posted - 2007.02.12 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jadiin
You do realise that was a list of things to stay away from right??
Hmmm... no, I haven't :) I was assuming he was answering the first part of the question.
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mallina
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 00:47:00 -
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how i see amarr inties:
Crusader = non-webrange fighter (dual light beam x4, mwd, warp disruptor)
Malediction = webrange fighter (dual light pulse x2, small nos x2, mwd, warp scram, web, small rep)
generally if you fight outside of webrange (crusader) you wont have much cap for a repper because of constant MWD and 20k disruptor, so best to avoid damage with that and fly it like a Crow (but faster, and with tracking)
if you fight inside webrange (malediction) then you can switch to a 7.5km scram which uses far less cap and gets 2 points on the target which will prevent ships with only 1 stab from warping. the dual small NOS helps loads as both a counter to cruiser NOS and to keep the repper going, and ive been fairly successful with it
obviously these arnt the only way to fly them, just try different things out till you find something you like is what i say
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.12 04:20:00 -
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If you cant manage to kill unprepared and untrained miners and ratters with an interceptor you are pretty bad.
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Divine Misconception
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Posted - 2007.02.12 04:38:00 -
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Decent crusader pilot can get a 17km range easily enough. Keeps you out of medium nos range, and web.
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 05:55:00 -
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Some interdictors can also be used for this. I'm not sure if the heretic is fast enough but I'm sure someone else can chime in on that. You could train for that in abt. 2 weeks and it'll give you some more firepower over an inty, and better speed than an assault frig.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 05:59:00 -
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Now in seven new flavours - the Tech II fitted tech I cruiser - pwnmobile in only two weeks!
If you train up for a good cruiser and get all the gear on it tech II, learn how to fly it, you'll *****ANY elite frigate/destroyer.
frigates, speaking as the owner of a gistii crow I have this to say; toys...are for games, if you want something killed, you better be going cruiser sized or above, or you aint nothing but a joke to any worthwhile target.
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Now in seven new flavours - the Tech II fitted tech I cruiser - pwnmobile in only two weeks!
If you train up for a good cruiser and get all the gear on it tech II, learn how to fly it, you'll *****ANY elite frigate/destroyer.
frigates, speaking as the owner of a gistii crow I have this to say; toys...are for games, if you want something killed, you better be going cruiser sized or above, or you aint nothing but a joke to any worthwhile target.
qft, with some exceptions.
As this game stands currently, frigates are completely useless solo. Battleships are useless solo. Bah. Cruisers and battle cruisers (and variants) are the only ships you have any real chance in, and it's ridiculous. Frigates are in for a boost, IMO.
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Ciaphas Khaine
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ciaphas Khaine on 12/02/2007 08:26:42
Originally by: Destr0math
Originally by: kublai
Now in seven new flavours - the Tech II fitted tech I cruiser - pwnmobile in only two weeks!
If you train up for a good cruiser and get all the gear on it tech II, learn how to fly it, you'll *****ANY elite frigate/destroyer.
frigates, speaking as the owner of a gistii crow I have this to say; toys...are for games, if you want something killed, you better be going cruiser sized or above, or you aint nothing but a joke to any worthwhile target.
qft, with some exceptions.
As this game stands currently, frigates are completely useless solo. Battleships are useless solo. Bah. Cruisers and battle cruisers (and variants) are the only ships you have any real chance in, and it's ridiculous. Frigates are in for a boost, IMO.
TBH frigs are not meant to be able to solo people. Even T2 frigs are not meant to be able to solo like cruisers/BC's can. They are however, one of the most important ships for just about every gang larger than 1 ship. In groups, frigates can be very effective, elusive and fast moving killers. T2 frigs are pretty much fine the way they are right now- they are very difficult to catch and as i said above, in small groups can pwn any group that is not prepared to fight them.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Destr0math
As this game stands currently, frigates are completely useless solo. Battleships are useless solo. Bah. Cruisers and battle cruisers (and variants) are the only ships you have any real chance in, and it's ridiculous. Frigates are in for a boost, IMO.
I dont think so really. Frigates shouldnt win solo versus a cruiser. Two or three should be able to. Also, BS shouldnt be a pwnmobile either, and should require support to work well.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
I dont think so really. Frigates shouldnt win solo versus a cruiser. Two or three should be able to..
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Olixia Castitatis
Gallente
Svefn-G-Englar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:17:00 -
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The Crusader is pretty elite in inty vs inty fights. Fit a web instead of a scram - you'll own anything other than some silly plated inty (and you can run from them easily.)
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Dionisius
Gallente
SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Destr0math
As this game stands currently, frigates are completely useless solo. Battleships are useless solo. Bah. Cruisers and battle cruisers (and variants) are the only ships you have any real chance in, and it's ridiculous. Frigates are in for a boost, IMO.
I dont think so really. Frigates shouldnt win solo versus a cruiser. Two or three should be able to. Also, BS shouldnt be a pwnmobile either, and should require support to work well.
I poped a few cruisers in my Enyo.
Its kind of.. a bi*ch but you can do it.
Anyway like said above, groups of 3 or more frigates are deadly, and you can even bring, lets say 1 battleship down if you do it properly with your gang.
Now alone, and in a inty, errrm well, mostly you get to kill other frigates, some destroyers dunno never tryed it with an inty, except in tackling targets for the gang arrival.
You can do pretty good piracy in a cruiser of AF so why do you give it a try? :P
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Kelron Queldine
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:32:00 -
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For general low sec piracy, an interceptor isn't going to be much more effective than a T1 frig (except for the speed if you land a distance from your target). For the most part, all you'll be able to kill with an inty is frigs, miners, and newb cruisers, which you can do just as well or better in a Punisher. But inties are great fun and you can often escape easily if things go wrong.
Generally you'll probably be better off using AFs, which shouldn't be much training for you, or a decently fitted cruiser.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:01:00 -
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In my opinion I think AF's should have more of an advantage over t1 cruisers and some battle cruisers but thats just me
Half Assed Rhymage
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Dionisius
Gallente
SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
In my opinion I think AF's should have more of an advantage over t1 cruisers and some battle cruisers but thats just me
Battlecruisers... hmmm don't think so, problem is speed, you need to put as much dps into your target as possible, and even a cruiser will present a challenge the battlecruiser, well fitted and flown by a pilot with decent skills will probably get you in a assault friggie.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:40:00 -
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I've killed a ton of cruisers/bc's etc in my interceptor, but non of them were any good...if a Crow can break a cruiser or aboves tank, then that's saying something about just how rubbish a tank the guy has.
If you wanto pwn **** players, any ship will do, i've met so many idiots in the belts of low sec it would take a year to tell you the tale of their fittings, if you wanto kill players of worth and value, fit a proper ship, not a plastic toy.
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Ren Tales
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:03:00 -
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...  This thread makes me so sad.
Ceptors are my favorite solo ships by far. Yes, they often don't have the dmg to break some of the tougher tanks you run into, but honestly even a crow can punch a hole in pretty much ever tank I've come across given enough time. Interceptor don't work for traditional piracy in the BLAM "oh look you're armor is gone, give me money now" way because they don't do enough dmg, yes (exept taranis), but they can wittle away at big targets while completely avoiding dmg.
The brilliance of ceptor piracy is their escapability. Even when webbed and nosed I can usually escape in a close range interceptor. You can run gatecamps with ease, and avoid any armed response your target manages to drum up.
Pirating in a inty is not as great for sheer moneymaking as a bigger ship, but its FUN, and it's much safer.
Please don't listen to these jaded powergamers, have some fun! 
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:04:00 -
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I clearly stated it was a toy i've spendt a great deal of millions on :P
The Crow was also my first -proper- pirate ship.
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maCH'EttE
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:22:00 -
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You can have quite a bit of fun in 0.0, killing lone haulers and the like. Just don't sit around in one spot for too long and you'll be almost impossible to catch, if you have your wits about you.
Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD)
I got pwned [by maCH]!
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:55:00 -
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I just solo ransomed a Hurricane in a claw today. It can be done, you just have to be selective about who you are going after.
Largely though, people posting here are right. Crow, and maybe the Taranis, are going to be your best bet to solo pirate in an interceptor.
-Karlemgne
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Capo Ferro
angels of darkness LTD
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Originally by: lofty29
Hate to inform you, but piracy with anything but the crow is very hard nowadays. Everybody fits nos, and its extremely hard to stay in a fight for long. You'll kill lots of frigs and maybe some cruisers but the rest is just a no no.
Sux
Works well as a tackler in gangs tho, but AF's are more suited to what you want to do.
no ceptor can dodge battleship nos, unless pimped for 150-200m on the scrambler alone ;)
However webifiers will beat the **** out of anything but a crow, amarr ceptors for solo piracy?
You know, i've found amarr ceptors to be the single most useless ships amarr have.
Use a punisher, or train AF.
not too many BS's nos past 25 km. so yes.. my ceptor can dodge most battleship nos's and yes with a domination scram you can still scram em. but you probly wont' be takn it down.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nir
The best Amarr interceptor is the Curse.
I second this claim.
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