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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:28:00 -
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I can fly a Sleipnir with appropriate skills etc and after noticing the 9d left I had from somewhere on my Gallente Cruiser 5, I decided to train it and train T2 Medium Blasters to play around with Astarte a bit.
I just want some discussion on which one and why :) Not like I will stop using either but I want opinions from people who are familiar with these ^^
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:38:00 -
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Sleipner is the better ship in my opinion. It doesnt have the damage of the astarte but it has alot more speed. Better for solo work and fun to fly.
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zayanka
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:12:00 -
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those ships r good enough to kill cruisers and BC, but against skilled BS pilot they dont have many chances...
Also astarte has better tank, only 1 resistance hole compare to 2 of sleipnir. Plus to astarte it's got 6 low slots.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:34:00 -
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 Originally by: zayanka
those ships r good enough to kill cruisers and BC, but against skilled BS pilot they dont have many chances...
Also astarte has better tank, only 1 resistance hole compare to 2 of sleipnir. Plus to astarte it's got 6 low slots.
Sleipnir should have a much better tank than the astarte. It wont be able to bring tackling gear, but it will have a much better tank.
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mematar
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: zayanka
those ships r good enough to kill cruisers and BC, but against skilled BS pilot they dont have many chances...
Also astarte has better tank, only 1 resistance hole compare to 2 of sleipnir. Plus to astarte it's got 6 low slots.
I dont agree with Astarte having a better tank. Sleipnir can take hell of a beating if only fitted for tank and no tackling.
But ye, Astarte can tackle and tank which is good if you want solo. Sleipnir can do it too but you just need to use your imagination a bit..
(I was playing with setups for Sleipnir for several hours >.<)
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:24:00 -
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Everybody says that the Sleipnir is superior to the Astarte, purely because they either pwned an Astarte in their Sleipnir, or got pwned. Obviously the Sleip will win, as the Astarte has a rather large hole to the Sleip's main damage type 
The Astarte is a *****ing solo ship - uber tank or uber gank or a little bit of both. The Sleip is good, if not superior, to the Astarte in small gang PVP as it fields a nice tank, and decent damage. However in large scale PVP, the astarte deals alot more DPS.
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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:08:00 -
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small? large?
you mean in fleet combat?
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Kay Rissa
Sabre Inc
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:12:00 -
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I fly both of those ships and i would never use sleipnir solo, whether i can go solo anyday in my Astarte because:
for solo u need 4 meds for cap booster, web, scrambl and mwd, so it means that u need to armor tank the sleipnir...wich has 2 holes to kinetic and explosive...
after fitting tank to low slots it only does around 470 dps with cs at lvl 5, astarte does 760+
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 12/02/2007 11:28:46
Originally by: Kay Rissa
I fly both of those ships and i would never use sleipnir solo, whether i can go solo anyday in my Astarte because:
for solo u need 4 meds for cap booster, web, scrambl and mwd, so it means that u need to armor tank the sleipnir...wich has 2 holes to kinetic and explosive...
after fitting tank to low slots it only does around 470 dps with cs at lvl 5, astarte does 760+
The exchange of course is that a sliepnir can run a much stronger tank without giving up gank in a gang situation. Similar to how the absolution can do the same.[Though with not quite the DPS or tank, in exchange for a good amount of range]
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Everybody says that the Sleipnir is superior to the Astarte, purely because they either pwned an Astarte in their Sleipnir, or got pwned. Obviously the Sleip will win, as the Astarte has a rather large hole to the Sleip's main damage type
The Astarte is a *****ing solo ship - uber tank or uber gank or a little bit of both. The Sleip is good, if not superior, to the Astarte in small gang PVP as it fields a nice tank, and decent damage. However in large scale PVP, the astarte deals alot more DPS.
tho in small gang pvp dps matters more then in large gang =) Anyway sleipnir is more mobile imhoo and it's easier to fit for full gank/tank which is great in small gangs
the gist b-type XL boosters flown with 3x dmg mods pwn
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 12/02/2007 16:10:32
Sleipnir hands down. Superior in all ways really.
Any argumentation about astarte being better than sleipnir for solo-work is completely flawed, cause:
1. You would probably rather nano your sleipnir for that.
2. You wouldn't be flying an astarte at all, as an eos is way better than an astarte for solo-work.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 12/02/2007 16:10:32
Sleipnir hands down. Superior in all ways really.
Any argumentation about astarte being better than sleipnir for solo-work is completely flawed, cause:
1. You would probably rather nano your sleipnir for that.
2. You wouldn't be flying an astarte at all, as an eos is way better than an astarte for solo-work.
Claim 2 is 100% untrue.
Everybody says the eos tanks better than the astarte...uhm....yeah bull**** unless the eos is running its 3 gang mods. W/out gang mods, running :
2x MAR II, 2x Eanm II, expl hard II
My eos tanks less dps than my astarte running
2x MAR II, 2x eanm II, expl hard II, dcont II
The astarte puts out more DPS also. Only bonus the eos gets is a sensor booster if you want.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:28:00 -
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I can churn out 770dps on a slepnir with 425's...I think it can take out a BS...
Even though Im only 5 days from a slep, Im still goign for recons instead. My hurricane and Myrmidon (all t2) are both a blast to fly, and I couldnt live with myself if I went back to the cyclone's fugly looking hull.
Honestly, **** the Astarte. Its nice and all, but couldnt hold a candle to the Eos. Eos is a god. Eos is the ****. Eos is probably the best ship in the game right now. Only thing is, you not only have to train for t2 Med Blasters for it to be effective, but you need heavy drones T2 and a Fleet Command ship...that's half a year for most average pilots.
Anywho, go for the Eos, its ungodly.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 12/02/2007 16:10:32
Sleipnir hands down. Superior in all ways really.
Any argumentation about astarte being better than sleipnir for solo-work is completely flawed, cause:
1. You would probably rather nano your sleipnir for that.
2. You wouldn't be flying an astarte at all, as an eos is way better than an astarte for solo-work.
Claim 2 is 100% untrue.
Everybody says the eos tanks better than the astarte...uhm....yeah bull**** unless the eos is running its 3 gang mods. W/out gang mods, running :
2x MAR II, 2x Eanm II, expl hard II
My eos tanks less dps than my astarte running
2x MAR II, 2x eanm II, expl hard II, dcont II
The astarte puts out more DPS also. Only bonus the eos gets is a sensor booster if you want.
Wrong. Cause if you run at 6-slot tank on that astarte your damage output will be alot less than an Eos. Otherwise your droneskills simply suck. (+ the fact eos can bring more drone sets, to either choose damage or send smaller drones after small targets).
And a sensor booster??? wth? Surely there's lots of more useful stuff to put there.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:00:00 -
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the comments about solo'ing are 100% correct. if u've ever solo'd in a sleip then u'll know that it aint great where as astarte can fit full tackling gear. if u put a web, scram, injector and mwd on the sleip then the astarte out tanks it.
plus the astarte has a better potential for dps. both gank setup the astarte is quite a bit higher in dps. both have advantages. overall in a gang i'd prefer to be in the sleip but solo imo no contest
DE
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
the comments about solo'ing are 100% correct. if u've ever solo'd in a sleip then u'll know that it aint great where as astarte can fit full tackling gear. if u put a web, scram, injector and mwd on the sleip then the astarte out tanks it.
plus the astarte has a better potential for dps. both gank setup the astarte is quite a bit higher in dps. both have advantages. overall in a gang i'd prefer to be in the sleip but solo imo no contest
DE
have you flown a sleip? you don't fit a web, you will get in web range and you don't want that
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: DarkElf
the comments about solo'ing are 100% correct. if u've ever solo'd in a sleip then u'll know that it aint great where as astarte can fit full tackling gear. if u put a web, scram, injector and mwd on the sleip then the astarte out tanks it.
plus the astarte has a better potential for dps. both gank setup the astarte is quite a bit higher in dps. both have advantages. overall in a gang i'd prefer to be in the sleip but solo imo no contest
DE
have you flown a sleip? you don't fit a web, you will get in web range and you don't want that
LOL I'll say. I can't remeber fitting a slep w/ a webber lol. Fight in falloff new Slep pilots, fight in falloff. Screw the web lol, gotta love your mids more than that on this one.
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xKillaH
Minmatar
Cruor Frater
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: zayanka
those ships r good enough to kill cruisers and BC, but against skilled BS pilot they dont have many chances...
Also astarte has better tank, only 1 resistance hole compare to 2 of sleipnir. Plus to astarte it's got 6 low slots.
w00t!?!
where the hell did that come from?
anyways. to the topic. it all depends on setup and skills.
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Wizie
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:55:00 -
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For solo I would pick the Astarte over the Sleipnir EVERY TIME. And this is from a minnie spec char.
For small gangs, I MIGHT go for the Sleipnir, however had I to log off and come back later and find myself solo in a tank no tackle sleipnir it would be such a waste.
The sleipnir really needs faction mods to get a clear lead over an astarte.
For most cases, Astarte > Sleipnir
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wizie
For solo I would pick the Astarte over the Sleipnir EVERY TIME. And this is from a minnie spec char.
For small gangs, I MIGHT go for the Sleipnir, however had I to log off and come back later and find myself solo in a tank no tackle sleipnir it would be such a waste.
The sleipnir really needs faction mods to get a clear lead over an astarte.
For most cases, Astarte > Sleipnir
1v1 yes, however...add a tackler to the equation the Sleip will own it.
tackler + Sleip > tackler + Astarte
Which holds the same conclusion for 1v1, yes 1v1 the Astarte is better, but in small gank fleets no way. Hell, in larger fleets noway. I feel that the Astarte is better than the Sleip only in a 1v1 situation.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:25:00 -
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if a sleipnir pilot loses a 1v1 vs an astarte he honestly doesn't fly the ship right
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
if a sleipnir pilot loses a 1v1 vs an astarte he honestly doesn't fly the ship right
I actually have not fought an Astarte 1v1 in my Sleip, but I'm going off the fact that if I am to have a strong enough tank to fend off one of the highest dps's in the game(Astarte)then I will not have enough mids to hold him there, my mids would have to be tank focused, meaning I would push him away, but never actually take him down.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: DarkElf
the comments about solo'ing are 100% correct. if u've ever solo'd in a sleip then u'll know that it aint great where as astarte can fit full tackling gear. if u put a web, scram, injector and mwd on the sleip then the astarte out tanks it.
plus the astarte has a better potential for dps. both gank setup the astarte is quite a bit higher in dps. both have advantages. overall in a gang i'd prefer to be in the sleip but solo imo no contest
DE
have you flown a sleip? you don't fit a web, you will get in web range and you don't want that
LOL I'll say. I can't remeber fitting a slep w/ a webber lol. Fight in falloff new Slep pilots, fight in falloff. Screw the web lol, gotta love your mids more than that on this one.
lol u egits that's exactly my point. my whole point it that if u fit full tackle gear then u can't tank for ****. therefore obviously u don't making it not the best choice for solo.
DE
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M00dy
Stain of Mind
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:39:00 -
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Astarte can't hurt you if you stay 15kms away. Just keep your eye on how fast they are going.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:44:00 -
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jesus christ sleipnir is minmatar can't any of you fly it? you're not supposed to go in there and tank his dmg (tho i have a gist b-type XL so no worries there) orbit @ 15km, he won't touch you, you'll chew through him
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ArmyOfMe
Hybrid Syndicate
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Claim 2 is 100% untrue.
Everybody says the eos tanks better than the astarte...uhm....yeah bull**** unless the eos is running its 3 gang mods. W/out gang mods, running :
2x MAR II, 2x Eanm II, expl hard II
My eos tanks less dps than my astarte running
2x MAR II, 2x eanm II, expl hard II, dcont II
The astarte puts out more DPS also. Only bonus the eos gets is a sensor booster if you want.
So, just how much dps does your astarte do, cause if u run that ****ty setup i cant see how a eos would ever loose to you
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Kalek Astroth
Amarr
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:35:00 -
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I think Astarte is a better solo ship than Sleipnir ,
Astarte is a gank ship so no point on uber tanking it (my pov) , just go for full dmg and play with your 50m3 drone bay to take a serious advantage on your target
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.02.13 03:30:00 -
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the eos is infact better then the astarte. if you try to tank the astarte better then the eos then the eos has an equal tank and more damage, if u try to out damage the eos wit han astarte u get marginally more damage and alot less of a tank
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Internet Tough Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 13/02/2007 04:51:53
Originally by: Horza Otho
the eos is infact better then the astarte. if you try to tank the astarte better then the eos then the eos has an equal tank and more damage, if u try to out damage the eos wit han astarte u get marginally more damage and alot less of a tank
Your making the assumption as so many people do that better is always based on solo performance. The thing about high DPS ships is that they complement EWAR ships extremely well. If nothing is shooting at you then who gives a rats ass about your tank, it's all about damage and that is what both the Astarte and Deimos are about. Sure they may not be the best solo ships in their class but they are w/o a doubt the best DPS ships.
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ArmyOfMe
Hybrid Syndicate
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 06:26:00 -
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thats because a lot of us do fly solo as well you know 
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