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Dante Freedan
Eclipse Industry Inc
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Posted - 2016.03.31 13:48:23 -
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Max flight range says 102km, but it won't fire until targets are within somewhere between 10 and 20. What gives? |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14943
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Posted - 2016.03.31 14:19:24 -
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What are you flying and firing from?
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Dante Freedan
Eclipse Industry Inc
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Posted - 2016.03.31 14:26:59 -
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Raven and 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I. When mousing over the fitted weapon, it says max flight range of 102km, so that's including skills. |

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2016.03.31 14:36:41 -
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Were you in high sec, low sec, nul or a worm hole? If you were being attacked at what range did the attackers activate the first "offensive" module or fire at you? Did you or they have any ewar active? Were you in a mission, site, anom where your targets would be NPC"s?
Since we lack this information I can only go with the most basic answer so here goes. Auto targeting, AKA friend or foe missile are bound by aggression mechanics to prevent you from firing on someone or something that is not a legitimate target.
By design and requirement they are retaliatory in nature, meaning they will not fire until the other player has done something that gives you rights to shoot at them. Alone this could be all that is needed to explain the behavior you are experiencing.
Targeting you is not considered an act of aggression and so auto targeting would not target and may not even fire.
Remember that the maximum range of a missile is not connected in any way to you or the missiles targeting range. |

Dante Freedan
Eclipse Industry Inc
2
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Posted - 2016.03.31 14:43:47 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Were you in high sec, low sec, nul or a worm hole? If you were being attacked at what range did the attackers activate the first "offensive" module or fire at you? Did you or they have any ewar active? Were you in a mission, site, anom where your targets would be NPC"s?
Since we lack this information I can only go with the most basic answer so here goes. Auto targeting, AKA friend or foe missile are bound by aggression mechanics to prevent you from firing on someone or something that is not a legitimate target.
By design and requirement they are retaliatory in nature, meaning they will not fire until the other player has done something that gives you rights to shoot at them. Alone this could be all that is needed to explain the behavior you are experiencing.
Targeting you is not considered an act of aggression and so auto targeting would not target and may not even fire.
Remember that the maximum range of a missile is not connected in any way to you or the missiles targeting range. Ahhhhh. That makes perfect sense. Yes, that most basic answer is the one for which I was looking. I'm sure auto-target missiles have their niche, but this particular drawback seems like it would make them damn near useless.
Thanks for the reply. |

Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
127
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Posted - 2016.03.31 15:15:45 -
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I wouldn't say useless.
Jonny Pew has a nice Youtube video on using the auto targeters in Hi-Sec combat site farming. They are something of an AFK kind of combat farming. You warp in, the ship blasts everything around it and then you pick up the goodies and warp off to the next site.
It looked very similar to doing the same thing with smartbombs but with those you had to warp on top of the spawn point and keep an eye out for anyone warping into the site because if you hit them with a smartbomb blast, you'd get a visit from Concord.
I think you can still 'target' something and fire the missles manually, I know you can with an auto targeting system and using guns. I don't know if it's the same mechanism.
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Dante Freedan
Eclipse Industry Inc
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Posted - 2016.03.31 15:25:08 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:I wouldn't say useless. Jonny Pew has a nice Youtube video on using the auto targeters in Hi-Sec combat site farming. They are something of an AFK kind of combat farming. You warp in, the ship blasts everything around it and then you pick up the goodies and warp off to the next site. It looked very similar to doing the same thing with smartbombs but with those you had to warp on top of the spawn point and keep an eye out for anyone warping into the site because if you hit them with a smartbomb blast, you'd get a visit from Concord.
Yeah, I'm sure they have their niche...but even mining would probably be more profitable than this for AFK farming.
Pandora Carrollon wrote: I think you can still 'target' something and fire the missles manually, I know you can with an auto targeting system and using guns. I don't know if it's the same mechanism.
You cannot. I was trying this in the original scenario. Couldn't shoot (even locked on) until fired at first...something like 10-20km out of my 102km range. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.03.31 18:38:07 -
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There is only one mission that I use auto-targeting missiles for: Across The Line (Penumbra epic arc).
In that mission you are perma-jammed. I just draw the aggro of the main battleship, and after that approach the offending jamming cruisers until they are destroyed.
Auto-targeting missiles hit the nearest valid target that has aggressed you, which isn't always what you may want. In some missions, that could be a structure; CCP has fixed a number of these structures over the years, but there are still some that oddly draw fire.
Note that targeting (yellow-boxed) is not aggression. NPC however can lock upon you from long range, fire, and of course do no damage. Auto-targeting missiles will go after such NPC (red-boxed). Typically only battleships will do this, as the others will try to get closer first. |

Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.03.31 22:12:29 -
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Yup, the point of the FoF missiles is to shoot back when you are jammed and cannot lock on to anyone. By definition, the guy(s) jamming you have already committed aggression and thus will be targeted by the FoF missiles.
In practice, "bring a friend", "primary the ECM jammer", and other tactics work much better than "bring FoF missiles", so, as indicated above, they're only used in very niche situations. |

Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
129
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Posted - 2016.03.31 22:45:14 -
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Dante Freedan wrote:You cannot. I was trying this in the original scenario. Couldn't shoot (even locked on) until fired at first...something like 10-20km out of my 102km range.
Thank you for providing that information. Saved me from having to test it.
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Dante Freedan
Eclipse Industry Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.01 10:45:31 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Yup, the point of the FoF missiles is to shoot back when you are jammed and cannot lock on to anyone. By definition, the guy(s) jamming you have already committed aggression and thus will be targeted by the FoF missiles.
In practice, "bring a friend", "primary the ECM jammer", and other tactics work much better than "bring FoF missiles", so, as indicated above, they're only used in very niche situations. As suspected. Thanks for letting me know the exact nature of their niche. The only way it would really be effective is if you have a ridiculous amount of intel before engaging (for PVP) and in situations where you get jammed non-stop (in PVE.) |

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
786
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Posted - 2016.04.01 13:09:04 -
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If jamming is an issue in missions you need to be in a Marauder and problem solved. Marauders with bastion running are immune to all e-war except energy vampires and energy neutralizers. |

Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
663
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Posted - 2016.04.04 22:22:12 -
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Dante Freedan wrote:Ahhhhh. That makes perfect sense. Yes, that most basic answer is the one for which I was looking. I'm sure auto-target missiles have their niche, but this particular drawback seems like it would make them damn near useless.
Thanks for the reply.
if missiles are your thing, I would say auto-targeting missiles are next to useless. My main PvE/ratting character is nearly 100% caldari and I have never found a good place or time to use them in that context.
I don't do anything AFK though, so if someone does have a use for them for AFK ratting, I would defer to their opinion. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.04.04 23:24:04 -
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Donnachadh wrote:If jamming is an issue in missions you need to be in a Marauder and problem solved. Marauders with bastion running are immune to all e-war except energy vampires and energy neutralizers. ... for now at least. |
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