mediums only cost 700m, just use an alt and stop pretending this game doesn't already force you to have more than one character.

What would this small citadel let you do that you can't already do using a mobile depot?

What would this small citadel let you do that you can't already do using a mobile depot?

Nothing wrong with a Farming Citadel.

I think it should be able to be cloaked though while not being used.

Hi.

Sooner or later POS will be gone. But even now player requires roles to be able to launch the POS.

I suggest small personal citadel, that can be launched by player regardless to corp roles he has.

It can have much smaller EHP, require no war dec to be shoot (so - no use in high sec), limited ship hangar (but still larger, than ORCA's one) and a number of other limitations against medium citadel. But it still will let player has "mobile" home in null / WH space, that requires no fuel to let him dock. It should be cheapier, than medium citadel and have smaller anchoring / de-anchoring times (no "wait a week and than relocate").

When CCP asked for ideas in the structures ideas thread before Citadels came out I asked for this in that thread, I wanted it to be a mobile base with the ability to cloak, when you used it to dock it would de-cloak and cloaked when you were docked, when you left it it would be uncloaked until you left its range then cloak. It would be able to take a small amount of ships and have a small amount of storage space. CCP ignored me, I hope they listen to this suggestion.

Very good post OP and fingers crossed taht they notice it.

What is needed is a quasi capital ship class from Upwell that functions like a mobile Citadel.

I have used Orca as a mobile hangar when I jump around the high sec and explore the low sec around it.

1) the price -- many solo players won't have 700m+ on hand, especially when there will be gankers out to score kill-mails
2) the time commitment to erect/demolish the thing -- a S Citadel wants to be a quickly-deployed item, and should be easy(-er) to remove, so that when Someone Large says you're encroaching on their Space, you can pack up and move on without requiring them to blow you up
3) it just isn't snuggly enough -- there is a definite scope for a small and inoffensive structure with some-but-not-too-much secondary functions (fitting service, office/depot, possibly a lab), to act as a mediation between a starbase and living out of an Orca (which you then have to abandon to fate if you want to fly anything away from it)

What you're looking for is the industrial array, it's a true small citadel (just not about defenses as much)

Only if it does not require 24 hours to anchor and 7 days to unanchor.

Only if it does not require 24 hours to anchor and 7 days to unanchor.

After reading through this thread and the one in GD that I think spawned it I think we can come up with something that works.

Small citadel - around 300mil to build and be 3000 M3 in size
It could be built using only minerals and PI
Slot layout 3H, 3M, 2L, 3 Service, 3 Rigs
PWG, CPU, and Cap would be scaled down from the other sizes so I don't have hard numbers for those. Service modules would require fuel bocks to run but shouldnt require that huge amount of blocks to start up. Maybe that cost could be added into the hourly recurring fuel cost.
The base citadel would function like its bigger versions as far as tethering, docking permissions, fitting, and repair of ships and modules
Storage would be limited to 50k per character for non ship items and 400k M3 ship maintenance bay per character
There would be no limit to the number of characters able to dock and use this citadel
There would be no corp hangers or office rentals and no option to fit the market service module
This would be a personal deployable like the MTU and mobile depot but could be configured to use corp/alliance standings and such if desired.

This structure would be always vulnerable to attack but would enter a short reinforcement timer once the structure was breached. I would say no more than 24 hours. This could be based on a vulnerability window like the POCOs use now or on stront fuel like a POS. I personally would use the vulnerability windows. Once reinforced all service modules and tethering effects go offline. High, Medium, and Low slots would remain active as well as capacitor regeneration, docking, and personal and ship storage. At the end of the reinforcement timer the repair timer starts up and after 15 minutes of no damage the citadel will begin repairing itself. It would not be instantly repaired though, it would regenerate its structure, armor, and shield at a fast rate starting with the structure first and then proceed on to armor and finally shield. I think 1 hour to fully repair itself sounds reasonable. If the citadel takes any damage the repair timer starts over again but any previously repaired armor and shield would remain. If the citadel is destroyed then normal loot fairy rules apply, no asset safety like larger citadels.

It would take 15 minutes to anchor the structure and when anchored only the structure layer would be present and the 15 minute repair timer would start. You would be able to immediately dock and fit all types of modules so that you can mount a defense right away if necessary. Unanchoring would also take 15 minutes and anything still contained in the citadel would be ejected into a can that anyone can scoop.

That should cover the basics of the citadel itself. I don't feel this or any other structure should be able to cloak while we have a perfect cloaking system in game. These things need to be able to be found and shot at. One idea that I could see as a service module is while any ship is tethered it does not show up on dscan or combat probes. The citadel would be visible but act as a mobile scan inhibitor. Other service modules will likely come out when the new indy and mining structures are released so those could fit on here too.

So there is a small citadel that is more mobile than a medium but also more vulnerable. It would be defend able against a small group and would augment a defensive fleet. It would allow storage for personal items as well as ships. It would be able to accomplish all the normal things a citadel can(except market) just not all of them at once. This would be a personal deployable so corp roles wouldn't matter but could be configured to allow corp/alliance access. Leaving it vulnerable all the time and having a short reinforcement window means it isn't well suited to be a beachhead for an invading army but will deter anyone that isn't committing to the fight.

Let me know what everyone thinks!
KL

shouldn't it be more like an orca you can anchor in lets say 15 minutes,

Capital ship will require long time skilling and can be boarded by anyone with appropriate skills. but of cause that can be also the way, if boarding procedure will be defended with password and skill requirements will be lowered.

Hi.

Sooner or later POS will be gone. But even now player requires roles to be able to launch the POS.

I suggest small personal citadel, that can be launched by player regardless to corp roles he has.

It can have much smaller EHP, require no war dec to be shoot (so - no use in high sec), limited ship hangar (but still larger, than ORCA's one) and a number of other limitations against medium citadel. But it still will let player has "mobile" home in null / WH space, that requires no fuel to let him dock. It should be cheapier, than medium citadel and have smaller anchoring / de-anchoring times (no "wait a week and than relocate").

As a solo player, I don't bother to try to explore anything under .5 anymore, due to there normally being 10+ battleships portal humping the other side of the warp gate spamming AE smartbombs.

Hi.

Sooner or later POS will be gone. But even now player requires roles to be able to launch the POS.

I suggest small personal citadel, that can be launched by player regardless to corp roles he has.

It can have much smaller EHP, require no war dec to be shoot (so - no use in high sec), limited ship hangar (but still larger, than ORCA's one) and a number of other limitations against medium citadel. But it still will let player has "mobile" home in null / WH space, that requires no fuel to let him dock. It should be cheapier, than medium citadel and have smaller anchoring / de-anchoring times (no "wait a week and than relocate").

Nah, mediums only cost 700m, just use an alt and stop pretending this game doesn't already force you to have more than one character.

What would this small citadel let you do that you can't already do using a mobile depot?

A medium is best for a small group of players, or a single player who is doing a lot with the thing. It would be great to have small citadels that are really only made for a single player. Then I'd like to see the removal of mobile depot invulnerability and force the player to use a small citadel if they want that sweet reinforce timer.

After reading through this thread and the one in GD that I think spawned it I think we can come up with something that works.

Small citadel - around 300mil to build and be 3000 M3 in size
It could be built using only minerals and PI
Slot layout 3H, 3M, 2L, 3 Service, 3 Rigs
PWG, CPU, and Cap would be scaled down from the other sizes so I don't have hard numbers for those. Service modules would require fuel bocks to run but shouldnt require that huge amount of blocks to start up. Maybe that cost could be added into the hourly recurring fuel cost.
The base citadel would function like its bigger versions as far as tethering, docking permissions, fitting, and repair of ships and modules
Storage would be limited to 50k per character for non ship items and 400k M3 ship maintenance bay per character
There would be no limit to the number of characters able to dock and use this citadel
There would be no corp hangers or office rentals and no option to fit the market service module
This would be a personal deployable like the MTU and mobile depot but could be configured to use corp/alliance standings and such if desired.

This structure would be always vulnerable to attack but would enter a short reinforcement timer once the structure was breached. I would say no more than 24 hours. This could be based on a vulnerability window like the POCOs use now or on stront fuel like a POS. I personally would use the vulnerability windows. Once reinforced all service modules and tethering effects go offline. High, Medium, and Low slots would remain active as well as capacitor regeneration, docking, and personal and ship storage. At the end of the reinforcement timer the repair timer starts up and after 15 minutes of no damage the citadel will begin repairing itself. It would not be instantly repaired though, it would regenerate its structure, armor, and shield at a fast rate starting with the structure first and then proceed on to armor and finally shield. I think 1 hour to fully repair itself sounds reasonable. If the citadel takes any damage the repair timer starts over again but any previously repaired armor and shield would remain. If the citadel is destroyed then normal loot fairy rules apply, no asset safety like larger citadels.

It would take 15 minutes to anchor the structure and when anchored only the structure layer would be present and the 15 minute repair timer would start. You would be able to immediately dock and fit all types of modules so that you can mount a defense right away if necessary. Unanchoring would also take 15 minutes and anything still contained in the citadel would be ejected into a can that anyone can scoop.

That should cover the basics of the citadel itself. I don't feel this or any other structure should be able to cloak while we have a perfect cloaking system in game. These things need to be able to be found and shot at. One idea that I could see as a service module is while any ship is tethered it does not show up on dscan or combat probes. The citadel would be visible but act as a mobile scan inhibitor. Other service modules will likely come out when the new indy and mining structures are released so those could fit on here too.

So there is a small citadel that is more mobile than a medium but also more vulnerable. It would be defend able against a small group and would augment a defensive fleet. It would allow storage for personal items as well as ships. It would be able to accomplish all the normal things a citadel can(except market) just not all of them at once. This would be a personal deployable so corp roles wouldn't matter but could be configured to allow corp/alliance access. Leaving it vulnerable all the time and having a short reinforcement window means it isn't well suited to be a beachhead for an invading army but will deter anyone that isn't committing to the fight.

Let me know what everyone thinks!
KL

As a solo player, I don't bother to try to explore anything under .5 anymore, due to there normally being 10+ battleships portal humping the other side of the warp gate spamming AE smartbombs.
Don't see how that can be much fun to do 24/7, but I've never tried it either... so maybe it's a blast.