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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.13 19:20:00 -
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Simple question.
What is being done to prevent "the" event from happening again? -
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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Baun More Rambling
mate please stop saying "we" because you do not represent the whole of the EVE community. Several of your questions have already been answered a dozen times over, whether you like the answers or not. 1)They Aren't going to tell us. 2) Because they missed it 3) Because its not good publicity to incite a bigger riot than you already have 4) Because it only incites flaming and trolling. 5) I think your mistaken, but CCP could expand it a bit 6) read K's blog. he was banned for 16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. FIRST. the other part secondly. If you can show me someone specifically banned for posting someones FIRST name (ALSO THEIR TAG ON ANOTHER FORUM) i will stfu 100% 7) Regarding what? 8) They have, it was not well done. He's here now 9) I could not understand this question 10) None? once they found him out they punished him and figured it was over.
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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:42:00 -
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Talk about counter quote
1) I think they have said that they aren't going to be transparent about THIS SUBJECT. (punishment) I could be wrong. I would love to know though 2) A simpler answer from the man would be good I can't disagree 3) If people wanted to learn they had no trouble finding the threads. It makes no sense to me why you would see this as a good move. 4) Not at all, but as it ends up half of the posts on the topic end up as flaming and trolling with very little debate. BOD! cheaters! etc. etc. 5) If keiron said HE didn't know i doubt he did. t20 knew for sure. 6) a) correct, but does not mean my assumption is wrong either B) it means he caused a ****storm which he did. C) the difference was in what they said. I would love if you could link or describe both posts and compare them. D) they SHOULD have banned him straight off, had they wanted to shut him up banning him seems counter-productive. Which i would hope they would have understood. 7) You are comparing from heresy. provide me with proof and I will listen to this arguement. 8) im sure some people in ISD would disagree. more clarity is welcomed from CCP on this though. 9) so its not a question then? 10) They had to re-investigate im assuming. New evidence usually does that in RL cases.
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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:34:00 -
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Because me and Baun are actually! having a civil discussion
7) I don't have the same experiences or knowledge as you do. Since your information ahs no specifics I can't accept it as 100% proof. I do not believe you are a lying however. So... CCP back me up here ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
8) my "disagreement was that they all cheat continusly. I dont doubt there might be a bad apple in ISD. ALL of them? or even more than a few? doubt that.
9) Because seems alot of people aren't interested in trusting CCP. So they are putting someone out there that we can learn to trust and then maybe he can restore our faith in CCP. Or at least how im taking it.
10) incompetence happens. people make mistakes. That would comfort me more. More clarity on it wouldn't hurt though. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire
On a serious note, its smoke and mirrors to say "No members of BoB had any knowledge that was internal" and "We cant prove it"
They crashed an ISD event with internal knowledge. People have dumps of their forums db that prove it. That information can be confirmed since some BoB people put all of their characters / alts in a similar post. Thats information, and confirmation.
They shot people through a POS shield, ALLIANCE wide. Does that not speak of corruption at a high level ?
Plus a TON of things that simply dont make sense. ASCN jumps to BoB with vastly superior numbers (2X) and somehow BoB takes ZERO losses and wipes out the entire ASCN fleet. These things are so comepletely beyond the pale of reality its not funnny.
And yet we hear "Nothing can be proved" -- If this overwatch is to have a good start these allegations have to be DIRECTLY addressed and explained.
If you want to be picky about where you get your information thats fine. But the shield of "Chain of Evidence" is whats protecting an allince leadership that cheated. You have to use corroborating or you wont find anything.
If police officers declined to investigate because there isnt a gun at the scene, we'd be in a real bad way. Its not going to come to you, and its not going to be easy to get. But frankly Knu gave you everything you needed on a gold plate and you ignored it because he got it underhandedly.
What that equates to is that you know about the misconduct, and are making a choice to do nothing because the info comes from a smelly source. Your letting an alliance that has hurt EVE get away on a technicality. And that stinks.
ASCN got smoked because the had poor fleets, fleet commanders, and discipline. I can smoke an opposing fleet 40 to zero too if they dont align, drop no bubbles on my fleet and loose all their tacklers within 30 seconds of the fight.
I have yet to have anyone even LINK me a thread with this POS incident. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ocono Darkcrest
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
Originally by: Inmate 19225004
Originally by: Gulkan Djinn
SirMolle is documented as having posted the Kugutsumen characters RL information as well as threats of RL action outside of appropriate reporting to the authorities, but as far as I can tell, there was no permanent ban.
Is this the sort of decision that you will be reviewing? If so, how are you going to make it transparent to the community that favoritism wasn't expressed in the decision making process for two different results occurring for the same causal action?
Well?
This involves a player and is thus not strictly my issue to answer for. But I have looked into this and I've yet to see any verification that this took place. If such verification exists, please file a harassment petition to point us to it and the matter will be investigated. Whatever the case, I will not be discussing it in detail here, sorry.
A large portion of the community is making this claim, that RL information about K was posted yet the poster is still active.
CCP is saying "I've yet to see any verification that this took place"
I see a bit of a paradox here: either this large part of the community is mistaken, or it really happened and it was erased from existance.
AND...if it was deleted, how can anyone "file a harassment petition to point us to it"?
Out of all of the allegations to come out in recent times, this one raises more than a few concerns because we have some of the player base saying "This really happend" and CCP saying "No it didnt".
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the post that everyone thinks molle deserved to be banned for is easily findable on EVE-search. I dont know that it WAS actually modded.
The issue is that it was not actually real life information. Or not enough of it for any kind of reprimand. He called him by one of his character names which has part of his real life name in it.
The information the mittani posted is much closer to being bannable but that too leaves a bit to be desired in terms of being ban-worthy.
None of these people will bother to do ten seconds of research while they scream for a hanging -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: vipeer
Originally by: Vily The issue is that it was not actually real life information. Or not enough of it for any kind of reprimand. He called him by one of his character names which has part of his real life name in it.
The information the mittani posted is much closer to being bannable but that too leaves a bit to be desired in terms of being ban-worthy.
None of these people will bother to do ten seconds of research while they scream for a hanging
The post you are talking about is still there. Molle asks the dude if there's snowing where he is.
The post in question is a post made by Molle that apparently contained name, address and place of work and molle asked people to call his workplace and get him fired.
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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:14:00 -
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well, even on third party forums nobody wants to link it so im tending to think it doesn't exist on eve-o. -
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Vily
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Naqisaki CCP doesn't have the luxury of simply being able to assure the player base that 'it's all better now'. T20 'cheated', CCP became aware of his actions... and yet did nothing to remove the advantage provided from such actions. How is having an existing employee head an IA department going to do anything if CCP doesn't take visible (if vague), prompt and appropriate action once the allegations are confirmed true?
There lies the whole issue. Nothing has visibly been done about T20. So you gave him a slap on the wrists a few months back? That's not good enough.
actions were taken. they weren't visible GTF over it. you can't punish someone for something done six months later, to which they have already been punished. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Xenofur
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
your evidence is not evidence, as i said at least a dozen times throughout this thread. And was totally just backed up on. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
The funny thing is that youre trying to act like yer NOT biased when you so obviously ARE
i will 100% admit I am biased.
I responded to the allegations of Ark being biased. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vily on 14/02/2007 22:35:41
Originally by: Pelendava The Terms of Service read:
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
Given SirMolle communicated Kugu's personal information here, when can we expect SirMolle to be punished?
Please note that the ToS do not mention how much personal information can be revealed, only that you may not post any personal information. Posting Kugu's first name and country count as "personal information", so SirMolle broke the ToS and should be punished.
(sigh)
get a clue please, reading is good!
ie. read his last post. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.15 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Vily on 15/02/2007 00:30:22
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
flamebait and general tinfoil
1) has always been that way. nothing new, known for a long time. 2) the POS passive targeter event happened well over a YEAR ago. it was fixed shortly after. 3) BOB makes no secret how they maximize their login speed. If anyone would LISTEN they might give it a shot.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
flamebait and general tinfoil about cyvok
he has admitted he screwed up and got himself killed a couple times now.
i would guess you can probably expect a warning if you dont stop trolling. because it is against the rules. o thau righteus martyr! -
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Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.15 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 15/02/2007 00:36:45
Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 15/02/2007 00:30:22
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
flamebait and general tinfoil
1) has always been that way. nothing new, known for a long time. 2) the POS passive targeter event happened well over a YEAR ago. it was fixed shortly after. 3) BOB makes no secret how they maximize their login speed. If anyone would LISTEN they might give it a shot.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
flamebait and general tinfoil about cyvok
he has admitted he screwed up and got himself killed a couple times now.
i would guess you can probably expect a warning if you dont stop trolling. because it is against the rules. o thau righteus martyr!
lol... 2) happened in the BoD vs POS war.. Hardly a year ago. Get your facts straight.
The CYVOK thing.. There are more and more people saying this was suspicious. An investigation is warranted imho. If there's proof that can BE CHECKED to show nothing out of the ordinary happened, its cleared. Until then most of BoD's movements and rumours SHOULD be investigated.
The rest... well, i can't change what YOU think. Muthatrucka's questions and mine are relevant in my eyes. This thread is about getting questions answered. I want mine answered.
Good day sir.
proof? ya thats what i thought. Dont say something happened when it didn't. -
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Posted - 2007.02.15 13:24:00 -
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Rabbl6, hows the weather in the states?
should i be banned now? -
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Posted - 2007.02.15 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Babel Matrix Edited by: Babel Matrix on 15/02/2007 13:24:51
Originally by: Vily
2) the POS passive targeter event happened well over a YEAR ago. it was fixed shortly after.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
lol... 2) happened in the BoD vs POS war.. Hardly a year ago. Get your facts straight.
I noticed this wasn't addressed... if I'm not mistaken, does this mean that a month or two is equal to over a year in Vilyland?
EDIT: Whoops, wrong linkage, thought page 12 was the latest one. But was this already addressed?
I asked him for proof it hadn't been fixed and he promptly stfu.
as to Rabble, my point is that I just did what Molle did. AnthonyZ is a chacter name, so my post was no different
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