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Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:44:00 - [1] Tomorrow, if the patch comes out as predicted, will likely be my last day in EVE. From what I've read and from what my corpmates playing on Chaos tell me, my ABs and MWDs will be nerfed, I will no longer be able to make significant time saving bookmarks, and I will have to learn to blow Agents. I'm sorry...these are bad ideas gone worse. I enjoy a game of constants. I like to know how something is going to work everytime. When changes are made that cater to a specific element or players (like the pirates will have a field day) then balance will fall to those players. Some of the patch items are great - BS's in Belts is a great idea. That will be a good challenge. But to hamper travel is beyond my reasoning for playing a game. And at the root of it all EVE is game, and it USED TO BE fun. Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
Hakera	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Hakera on 14/12/2003 19:50:08 Before you make a rash decision, I suggest you read this post here regarding the change. WDZ are being removed an a shiva module added which wil create the WDZ Hellmar's Post on Warp Disruption Fields - a good move CCP Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Uuldahan	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:49:00 - [3] Edited by: Uuldahan on 14/12/2003 19:49:59 Read last threads please.
Uuldahan	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:49:00 - [4] Edited by: Uuldahan on 14/12/2003 19:49:39
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:52:00 - [5] Egg + face = [Heterocephalus glaber]
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.14 19:52:00 - [6] I say yall should save your breath. He wants a single player game. KoTOR would be a better start for him. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:01:00 - [7] I had not read that thread before and I may need some translation. DOes this mean the auto disruption field is gone and a device will have to be used on both the inbound and jip points to capture ships? Also, what about the distance from gate when you come out of warp? I have noticed yesterday those distances have improved greatly - some out to 32km. Will this distance change? (again) And a message for you more sarcastic types. I played WWIIOnline for 2 years and loved it. EVE lured me away because of my love for space sims. Single player games do not interest me at all but I would hate to see EVE go from 10% pirate based to 40% within a week. And thats how I see this patch could change this game. Whats more economical? Mining or hacking players that pass by? Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:09:00 - [8] Quote: I say yall should save your breath. He wants a single player game. KoTOR would be a better start for him. Bah shhhh i've been adicted to KoTor for a week now. Besides this "end is nigh" sandwichboard guys are only to be expected Mercenary \| The Azath
Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:11:00 - [9] I'll play the patch and if I like it I will recant. I have no problem with owning up to being wrong. Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:12:00 - [10] Slow travel is now less objectionable when you realise not EVERY gate is a death-trap. I'd imagine the hot-spots of today will be the WFD'ing hot-spots of tomorrow....but a lot more interesting. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:13:00 - [11] Quote: I had not read that thread before and I may need some translation. DOes this mean the auto disruption field is gone and a device will have to be used on both the inbound and jip points to capture ships? Also, what about the distance from gate when you come out of warp? I have noticed yesterday those distances have improved greatly - some out to 32km. Will this distance change? (again) And a message for you more sarcastic types. I played WWIIOnline for 2 years and loved it. EVE lured me away because of my love for space sims. Single player games do not interest me at all but I would hate to see EVE go from 10% pirate based to 40% within a week. And thats how I see this patch could change this game. Whats more economical? Mining or hacking players that pass by? Quote: I enjoy a game of constants. I like to know how something is going to work everytime. When changes are made that cater to a specific element or players (like the pirates will have a field day) then balance will fall to those players. The only place where that will happen is in a single player game. A MMOG is not a game of constants, because of player intervention. A MMOG is not a game where something is going to work everytime, because of player intervention. Addressing an imbalance in a MMOG will come at the expense of some and cater to a specific element of players. Since a MMOG can't meet your conditions, you were ready to quit over these conditions not being met and I didn't feel like typing all that out I skipped to the point: You want a single player game. Anyone that wants MMOGs generally accepts that **** Happens eventually to everyone. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:19:00 - [12] No Jash, for instance I want to know that when I drop a mortor down a tube it will go 500m. But when the DEV's change it to only go 25m. Then that in NOT player intervention but DEV intervention. The constants I seek are items I work for - modules, ships, items. They should work the same, everytime. I understand these changes come about for various reasons but to change the way we travel 8 months into the game is not a good idea. Tease all you like.... Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:35:00 - [13] Quote: Edited by: Hakera on 14/12/2003 19:50:08 Before you make a rash decision, I suggest you read this post here regarding the change. WDZ are being removed an a shiva module added which wil create the WDZ Hellmar's Post on Warp Disruption Fields - a good move CCP Doesnt make that big a difference, the absolutely worst part of the new patch is the AB/MWD nerf, and the warping nerf (need 50% speed to warp) All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Jash Illian on 14/12/2003 20:41:51 Quote: No Jash, for instance I want to know that when I drop a mortor down a tube it will go 500m. But when the DEV's change it to only go 25m. Then that in NOT player intervention but DEV intervention. The constants I seek are items I work for - modules, ships, items. They should work the same, everytime. I understand these changes come about for various reasons but to change the way we travel 8 months into the game is not a good idea. Tease all you like.... It is player intervention. What the players do with that mortar with a range of 500m is what causes the developers to intervene. Or do you think the devs are just being asshats and the people playing the game had absolutely nothing to do with the changes? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:44:00 - [15] Jash, personally I think the DEVs are trying to slow the game down. They have admitted they never dreamed to see the majority of players in BS so soon and most are screaming for mobile refineries and Titans. Restricting travel will definately slow the game down. Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:49:00 - [16] Edited by: j0sephine on 14/12/2003 20:49:38 "Doesnt make that big a difference, the absolutely worst part of the new patch is the AB/MWD nerf, and the warping nerf (need 50% speed to warp)" ... If it's for travel, then AFB/MWD nerf means nothing when you can still have your insta-jump bookmarks. And having to reach 50% speed means 5-10 secs per gate to build up those 60 m/sec in the indy.... hardly an obstacle.
Lester Mako	Posted - 2003.12.14 20:54:00 - [17] I can see one good point to this. Maybe with all the speed nerfs this will get everyone back into cruisers because BS will be too combersome to fly. Maybe? Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
Zarthan	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:07:00 - [18] Lester grow up you sound like you must be 14. As for the topic one note to hellmars post is that he said for .3 and lower. This means for .4 and higher travel shall still be slower which is what i think the devs intended. But at least minning 10 jumps from the nearest station will not be hampered. However i forsee many complaints ahead with use of the warp disruptor field units. I will however enjoy them untill they get nerfd. _______________________________________________________ Get custom sigs and graphics done here Unforgivn Website
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:10:00 - [19] "As for the topic one note to hellmars post is that he said for .3 and lower. This means for .4 and higher travel shall still be slower which is what i think the devs intended." ... Uhmm no, he said that because the inhibitor fields weren't applied to gates in 0.4 and higher in the first place. ^^;;
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:37:00 - [20] Quote: Edited by: j0sephine on 14/12/2003 20:49:38 "Doesnt make that big a difference, the absolutely worst part of the new patch is the AB/MWD nerf, and the warping nerf (need 50% speed to warp)" ... If it's for travel, then AFB/MWD nerf means nothing when you can still have your insta-jump bookmarks. And having to reach 50% speed means 5-10 secs per gate to build up those 60 m/sec in the indy.... hardly an obstacle. Yeah right, you're saying you use instajump BM's when going 45 jumps into 0.0 ? All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:51:00 - [21] Quote: Quote: Edited by: j0sephine on 14/12/2003 20:49:38 "Doesnt make that big a difference, the absolutely worst part of the new patch is the AB/MWD nerf, and the warping nerf (need 50% speed to warp)" ... If it's for travel, then AFB/MWD nerf means nothing when you can still have your insta-jump bookmarks. And having to reach 50% speed means 5-10 secs per gate to build up those 60 m/sec in the indy.... hardly an obstacle. Yeah right, you're saying you use instajump BM's when going 45 jumps into 0.0 ? Using j0sephine's worst case scenario of 10 seconds to build up speed and your destination 45 jumps into 0.0. Total added travel time: 7 minutes 30 seconds. If you're quitting over that, kthnxb1! I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
RagnarH	Posted - 2003.12.14 21:53:00 - [22] Don't leave us now !!! This char is perm banned on forums :S
Ariell Lucinwind	Posted - 2003.12.14 22:00:00 - [23] As Jash said, the added time isnt worth quitting over. If you weigh it up this way, I did a 17 jump route last night to go and get my self some equipment. I hit the auto pilot (checked the map for a safe route before hand) and then went and had dinner. If you honestly say that you have 17 Book marks for such a trip then I think your pulling my leg a little too much. I have book marks for 4 jump and 7 jump trips but thats only for a specific run and even if I do lose the Bookmark feature. I still have some form of Afterburner to speed me up to get to the gate. So overall, no real lose. I still get to my destination. But as I have said with others. If this is annoying you to the point of quitting or its turning it into a PvP hell hole for you. Here is your perfect Game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P
Kaylon Syi	Posted - 2003.12.15 04:28:00 - [24] Quote: Quote: I say yall should save your breath. He wants a single player game. KoTOR would be a better start for him. Bah shhhh i've been adicted to KoTor for a week now. Besides this "end is nigh" sandwichboard guys are only to be expected Me too!!!
nails	Posted - 2003.12.15 04:58:00 - [25] instead of ending eve, how about you end yourself :) ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Miso	Posted - 2003.12.15 09:13:00 - [26] Aaargrrgrgrgrrgrgrgrrrrrhhh!!!!!!!!!!! THE SKIES FALLING IN, THE SKIES FALLING IN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! -------------------------------------------- Dead
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.12.15 13:02:00 - [27] Quote: Aaargrrgrgrgrrgrgrgrrrrrhhh!!!!!!!!!!! THE SKIES FALLING IN, THE SKIES FALLING IN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Great look what you guys did to Miso. She's going to go hide in her closet with a case of creamed corn and her pop up Kama Sutra.
Sarena Sparrow	Posted - 2003.12.15 14:43:00 - [28] Quote: Lester grow up you sound like you must be 14. As for the topic one note to hellmars post is that he said for .3 and lower. This means for .4 and higher travel shall still be slower which is what i think the devs intended. But at least minning 10 jumps from the nearest station will not be hampered. However i forsee many complaints ahead with use of the warp disruptor field units. I will however enjoy them untill they get nerfd. You m0r0n. Learn to read and quit trolling until you get a brain.
Rickenbacker	Posted - 2003.12.15 15:04:00 - [29] Easy with the ego trip, there. You leaving doesn't mean the end of Eve :-).
Uuldahan	Posted - 2003.12.15 15:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Uuldahan on 15/12/2003 15:10:34 Yup this guy should know there's a world around him. Pathetic.
Koda	Posted - 2003.12.15 15:43:00 - [31] One of my corp m8's pointed out that current insta-jump bm's may no longer be useful with the intro of gate-to-gate jumping as the original marks were set basd on the old JIP's. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.15 21:07:00 - [32] Quote: Lester grow up you sound like you must be 14. As for the topic one note to hellmars post is that he said for .3 and lower. This means for .4 and higher travel shall still be slower which is what i think the devs intended. But at least minning 10 jumps from the nearest station will not be hampered. However i forsee many complaints ahead with use of the warp disruptor field units. I will however enjoy them untill they get nerfd. YET another merry men in tights. Usin his tough guy sounds to cover his rl "oops lookie i sat in vasaline" attitude. Dont flame less you wanna get flamed, punk. I'll blow the he** outta your lil disruptors everytime i see em.
MrBinary	Posted - 2003.12.15 21:40:00 - [33] Edited by: MrBinary on 15/12/2003 21:40:59 Heya Lester, I too played WW2 Online. What an awesome game! I was part of the Black Knight Brigade. Too many great and defining moments to list here... Good times indeed. Mr. Binary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.12.15 22:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Gravedancer on 15/12/2003 22:41:23 Quote: Yeah right, you're saying you use instajump BM's when going 45 jumps into 0.0 ? Why not ? Thats what I do, at least on routes I travel frequently and/or ones that get blockaded a high percentage of the time. The MWD/AB nerf is not going to make enough of a difference to get upset over. I was mildly irritated at the thought of losing my instajump BM's, but only because of the sheer amount of time I put into setting them all up (and reorganizing them into folders every time I have to delete my /cache folder to solve eve lockups or loss of attribute points).
Lockheed	Posted - 2003.12.15 23:03:00 - [35] Gravedancer stfu your a pirate miner for curse alliance. ofcorse you like the changes. But not when your a** is on the line. ________________ On a pale horse.
SithEwok	Posted - 2003.12.15 23:08:00 - [36] Edited by: SithEwok on 15/12/2003 23:25:11 Edited by: SithEwok on 15/12/2003 23:18:25 Quote: As Jash said, the added time isnt worth quitting over. If you weigh it up this way, I did a 17 jump route last night to go and get my self some equipment. I hit the auto pilot (checked the map for a safe route before hand) and then went and had dinner. If you honestly say that you have 17 Book marks for such a trip then I think your pulling my leg a little too much. I have book marks for 4 jump and 7 jump trips but thats only for a specific run and even if I do lose the Bookmark feature. I still have some form of Afterburner to speed me up to get to the gate. So overall, no real lose. I still get to my destination. But as I have said with others. If this is annoying you to the point of quitting or its turning it into a PvP hell hole for you. Here is your perfect Game. um i know for a fact that the person that made this thread has over 30bms one way. say his folder was listed as point a to point b, he has 60bms in there. He travels faster than a guy with dual mwds hitting them at each gate. So tell me why takin away ab/mwds/bms would not be hurting that much. Time is an issue irl. The devs are manipulating the game to take more time from you. Sure, i'll play 40 to 80 hours a week but they gotta get me a paycheck rollin at about 17bucks per hour. The amount of invested time i have for a character means nothing I could give it up in a heartbeat. When I leave someone's gonna think they won the lottery x 100. I dont care if i spent 6 mos to get to this position, what have i gained irl? a fat asz? yep Has it furthered me in my persuit of happiness? nope. Will learning these new skills/new ways to fight/new ways to run(if possible)/new ways to get nerfed, get me irl? NOTHING. not even a grain of dirt. I see numbers, stockpiles building up, I think im doing great! I turn off the game at 3 am in the mornin. Tired, I wake up the next day, *** and moan about no sleep. You have to invest a god 6 to 7 hours per playtime to get anything done. Where does that leave me time to do my clothes, cook, clean, study? none. If i keep getting nerfed Im out too. I cannot afford to blow anymore time on a game that I have seen the good in, slow to a standstill. Im not gonna wait till tech 3 to come out so that I can have my best ab's and mwds back. OHh yea i have to buy them again or hunt for them, with the promise of them getting nerfed in the future too. What do i have to lookforward to? A complete and utter waiste of time. A losing battle. I do not like losin battles. Some losses are expected and cannot do anything about. I can honestly say that most of the client base here are adults. I have not met one young guy/girl in the possible 300 people I have talked to since i been on. Take that figure, 1 out of 300. Adults and some kids have jobs/school. Nerfing will take weeks to do what you could do in 2 to 3 nights. I would not pi*sz the customers off too much, eve is a nice game, I enjoy playing it very much, make sure you pay attention to your customer base as eve is not the only fun game out there.
Draig Goch	Posted - 2003.12.15 23:09:00 - [37] Well before you go, there one thing first. Can i have your stuff
IZON	Posted - 2003.12.15 23:58:00 - [38] < this fool has paid for another six months "...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!"

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