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Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 18:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Cloora on 15/02/2007 18:51:23 Edited by: Cloora on 15/02/2007 18:47:15 Reading pretty much all the backstory, I have learned about the Pod and how we are inside in a goo with controls directly linked to our mind. We can control ships function with a thought. So with this I can see the size of a Frigate doesn't leave much for any crew now does it? The visible c o ckpit on my Merlin leads me to believe that there just isn't enough room. But what about my Cormorant? My Carcacel? And what about Ravens? Do they have crews? If so, how many on each ship gets killed with each ship that gets destroyed? What do they do if I can control all the systems with a thought? Would it be safe to say that The Ship Command skills are increasing your ability to pilot the ship in question? Or is it Commanding the crew on my ship? Is this just abstracted and not really discussed? Well it shouldn't be with how precise and specific every thing else is in the EVE universe. We should be able to buy and upgrade crews like modules. A ship is only as good as its crew is an old saying. So if we pay more money for a better crew maybe we can get some small bonuses to ship funtions? Maybe you would start with a novice crew for starters. You pay more to get a veteren crew or an Elite crew. And teh cost goes up with the size of the ship and the size of the crew. Make the cost reflect the bonuses and the lives that these brave souls risk by flying with you in your protective and basically immortal Pod/Clone system. Ideas? I think this would add another fun part to the game. And since noobs fly frigates and frigates ar so small they don't have crews so noobs don't have to worry about that aspect of the game yet to further complicate things. EDIT: C o c kpit should not be edited. Its a part of the ship for pete's sake! ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited Pilot of the ACV Digger (Retriever) ACV Respite (Carcacel) "It's none of my business what I think of you."
Wolf Pershaw	Posted - 2007.02.15 18:52:00 - [2] Yes, there are crews on ships, you don't see them but who actually reloads your missiles. I believe frigs are crewless, but in a battleship, there might be 100 or more actual crew members. Read the Short stories and chronicles. where's the rest of the EVE population.... maintaining your poor flying skills and active ships in dry dock...
Serendipity007 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:00:00 - [3] I agree. There should be crew slots for ships, especially Cruisers and larger. I would really like to see crew XP, as in crews that increase their bonuses as they gain experience. If you take hull damage, you should start losing crews. You have factional crews, that would say give 1% ROF bonus for Caldari ships. Have rat complexes and missions have a chance to drop special pirate crews. Finally we would have a use for exotic dancers. 5% increase in bonuses for all crews except Amarr. Janitors would increase bonuses by 2%. Would be interesting. ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: TOS
Matthias DuBastyra House Draconis	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Matthias DuBastyra on 15/02/2007 18:59:59 I think this is an awesome Idea. You know how in the hi-slots a ship will have a number of hi-slots available but not all of them will be usuable for turrets and or missile bays? You could do the same thing with the new rigs slots on the bottom. Like rigs, they can be salvaged. Unlike rigs though, they can removed without penalty. This could add another level of complexity to the game. A named crew could be like: Gallente Navy Academy 'Duripant' Navy Academy 'Duripant Rough Necks' 'Duripant Special Ops' and if you have affiliation with the crew, i.e.: You are a Gallente pilot using a Gallente crew, you would get another bonus and if you are from the same school as the crew (both from special ops) you would get yet another bonus. Possible restrictions could be using a Gallente crew on an Amarrian vessel reduces its effectivness. Using a crew that is racially different from you also gives a penalty (especially in light of the upcoming faction wars.) Just my take on things. Matthias DuBastyra Imperiadux of House Draconis
Sathrai No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:06:00 - [5] Ships do indeed have crews. Somebody will probably dredge up the old screenshots of ship "schematics" at some point, but it's pretty clear that even a pod-piloted battleship has thousands of crewmembers manning it. Would be neat to do some playing around with upgrading the crew, but that's probably a pretty long way away - after heat and subsystem damage, perhaps.
Lyzander Caldari Mugen Academy	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:11:00 - [6] Edited by: Lyzander on 15/02/2007 19:09:03 Originally by: Wolf Pershaw Yes, there are crews on ships, you don't see them but who actually reloads your missiles. I believe frigs are crewless, but in a battleship, there might be 100 or more actual crew members. An Apocalypse-class battleship has well over 6000 crew members. Originally by: Hands of a Killer ...Daren Athaksis was confirmed as one of six-thousand three-hundred and fourteen reported casualties resulting from the destruction of the Apocalypse-class battleship "Dam-Imud." His post was filled within three days. His family was not notified. Hands of a Killer I think it's a rather good idea... Although as mentioned, I suppose it could be considered that your skills represent in part your ability to find more skilled crew. Crew upgrades in the same sort of sense (for mechanics) as rigs might be fun though.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:23:00 - [7] We need all the security and ensigns to wear red shirts :) ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Illyria Ambri We need all the security and ensigns to wear red shirts :) It's enough if they are minmatar. Most of the crew of amarr ships are made up of minmatars so maybe they can use slaver hounds for motivation ---
Vansard	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:38:00 - [9] I also like the idea, but you do realise that this will mean: - millions of innocent crew members dying each day in the galaxy ;-) - in deep 0.0 stations millions of crew members magically appears as hundreds of new battleships are being built ;-)
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Vansard I also like the idea, but you do realise that this will mean: - millions of innocent crew members dying each day in the galaxy ;-) - in deep 0.0 stations millions of crew members magically appears as hundreds of new battleships are being built ;-) Life on planets is supposed to be hard, crouded, and opressive. Therefore lots of people are willing to take the chance to better their lives onboard spaceships.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:07:00 - [11] I don't particularly like the idea of buying upgraded crews. It just makes isk more of a factor than it is already, and doesn't seem to fill any need that isn't already covered by implants and rigs. What I do sort of like is something a bit different where your different crew departments gradually get better until your ship is destroyed. Ideally, these would provide small, general bonuses, and the effect would be enhanced by a set of Char/Will-based Command skills. (Or maybe better yet, crews should gradually degrade until they die because of stress, rampant drug use, and SSPAAAACE MMAAAADDDNESSSS, and the skills just slow that down. That way you don't have only high-sec NPC-corp carebears running around with uber crews. ) * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:10:00 - [12] Hmm with the new heat effects being introduced at some point.. If they made crews part of it.. valid tactic.. superheat the enemy ship to kill off the crew then board and capture the vessel? Amarrs this may be your bread and butter since lasers do thermal ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 - [13] I've seen the idea before. It's a nice idea to have upgradeable crews, but I don't know if it's worth the extra complexity. What you're suggesting is basically a squishy version of rigs. Now, rigs have a negative as well as a positive side. Crews would also have to have that unless you just wanted to give an advantage to rich people. Or unless getting them depended on some other factor (how often you lose ships? your sec status?). Nice idea, but there are other items on my wish list before it.
RBX	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:59:00 - [14] What's a CARACEL?
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:02:00 - [15] Why not make it a fourth stat. Shield HP, Armor HP, Structure HP, Crew #. When you start taking armor hits, crew starts dying as they get chucked across the bridge (Star Trek Style ) and break necks and such. As crew dies off ship functions take longer, repairs slow down, time delay for orders to be implemented. You can give crews a rating that improves over time, command skills that affect their performance and resistances and such (finally a real use for all that charisma), and you could buy upgraded crew to fill slots or let your crew gain experience on their own. If an attacking ship got lucky and offed your crew before destroying the last of your structure. Derelict! Something a new salvage ship could tow back and recrew for use. The ultimate prize in any battle.
Wibiq Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Wibiq on 15/02/2007 21:27:19 Originally by: Taran Summers Why not make it a fourth stat. Shield HP, Armor HP, Structure HP, Crew #. When you start taking armor hits, crew starts dying as they get chucked across the bridge (Star Trek Style ) and break necks and such. As crew dies off ship functions take longer, repairs slow down, time delay for orders to be implemented. You can give crews a rating that improves over time, command skills that affect their performance and resistances and such (finally a real use for all that charisma), and you could buy upgraded crew to fill slots or let your crew gain experience on their own. If an attacking ship got lucky and offed your crew before destroying the last of your structure. Derelict! Something a new salvage ship could tow back and recrew for use. The ultimate prize in any battle. Ya know, I thought this was a great idea until I thought about whether or not we need another excuse for module lag. OK, it's still a good idea.
Apollo Kreed Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:37:00 - [17] If crews get added into the game then you have to take into account what it takes to pay the crew. Imagine the amount of isk it would cost to run even a battleship for a month. People may think, well, it's just menial labor, but it wouldn't be. It takes engineers, electricians, computer geeks, and all manner of other specialized professions to keep a hi-tech piece of machinery going. You don't want Jake from McDonald's doing these types of jobs. As far as the armor damage means you lose crew thing... that'd seriously hose armor tanks.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Apollo Kreed If crews get added into the game then you have to take into account what it takes to pay the crew. Imagine the amount of isk it would cost to run even a battleship for a month. People may think, well, it's just menial labor, but it wouldn't be. It takes engineers, electricians, computer geeks, and all manner of other specialized professions to keep a hi-tech piece of machinery going. You don't want Jake from McDonald's doing these types of jobs. As far as the armor damage means you lose crew thing... that'd seriously hose armor tanks. Well so would the Amarr slavers have to pay more or less since they use slaves? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:43:00 - [19] Amarr would have to pay more for the initial crew purchase, but upkeep past that would be less. And if I play long enough to max all my skills (17 years according to evemon) I MIGHT have had time to start a crew breeding program to keep my costs down.
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Apollo Kreed If crews get added into the game then you have to take into account what it takes to pay the crew. Imagine the amount of isk it would cost to run even a battleship for a month. People may think, well, it's just menial labor, but it wouldn't be. It takes engineers, electricians, computer geeks, and all manner of other specialized professions to keep a hi-tech piece of machinery going. You don't want Jake from McDonald's doing these types of jobs. As far as the armor damage means you lose crew thing... that'd seriously hose armor tanks. Yeah don't make it so Armor hits kill crew. We don't want to nerf armor tankers. But to pay teh crew on a regular basis? Make BS cost a lot of ISK to operate and run for long periods of time? Only for the rich elites? hmmm sound like the start of EVE that everyone remembers so fondly? We want to put these huge behemoth ships out of reach for people until they are mega rich yeah? If not just make it cheaper. If the Devs do want it make it more expensive. Thats a great way to fine tune an ISK sink on the dev side if you ask me. Add crew's and crew XP! Add crew salary too! ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited Pilot of the ACV Digger (Retriever) ACV Respite (Carcacel) "It's none of my business what I think of you."
phillip duncan	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:47:00 - [21] killing crew due to amour damage is not good if you are in a galant ships that armour tanks. Beside if you watch startrek they thrown a round with shield hits as well.
Wibiq Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:50:00 - [22] Another side effect would be that it would create another ISK sink and help with inflation.
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:10:00 - [23] Originally by: phillip duncan killing crew due to amour damage is not good if you are in a galant ships that armour tanks. Beside if you watch startrek they thrown a round with shield hits as well. I think he meant structure and not armour
Artthana Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:10:00 - [24] Originally by: phillip duncan killing crew due to amour damage is not good if you are in a galant ships that armour tanks. Beside if you watch startrek they thrown a round with shield hits as well. I love startrek, but damn it if they were not stupid for not having seat belts. Anyway I think crews would be cool.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:12:00 - [25] Yes there are crews, yes they are just biomass whose experience and expertise is irrelevant. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:23:00 - [26] CCP, its that 'crews on ships' question again. Put the crew stats back on the ingame info for ships or put those pics back on the website......please? This question comes back to the forums more often that the 'OMG no Mordus/Khanid/Ammatar faction ships' question.
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Zissou CCP, its that 'crews on ships' question again. Put the crew stats back on the ingame info for ships or put those pics back on the website......please? This question comes back to the forums more often that the 'OMG no Mordus/Khanid/Ammatar faction ships' question. Well my post was part question, part idea for a new implementation. But I think CCP needs to add crew size to ships as well. With the current game information it is hard to tell if there are crews on the ships without accessing the backstory on the website. All new players should do that but we know that most do not. ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited Pilot of the ACV Digger (Retriever) ACV Respite (Carcacel) "It's none of my business what I think of you."
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:30:00 - [28] My favourite suggestion so far is having special "Officer Slots". A bit like rig slots, in that its another kind of ship add on. You could have none on a Frigate (because they either have very very small crews, or none at all), 1 on a Cruiser / BC, 2 on a BS, 3 on a Dread / Carrier, 4 on a Mothership, 5 on a Titan. Each special "officer" would simply bring another bonus to your ship (just like all sorts of other rigs / modules) but would specially require a wage, paid every DT. Obviously the better the officer, the more extortionate the wage. Availability wise, basic officers could be available from NPC vendors, creating a new isk sink (which are always welcome). More advanced officers would be available for LP, special exploration finds ("rescue the crippled battleship" style) and however else. -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Zyrraniun Minmatar World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:59:00 - [29] I quite like the idea of crews, especially since I'm reading David Weber's Honor Harrington series at the moment, with all the crew jockeying that goes on in the books. On the other hand, the fact that it would probably be just another bonus option for wealthy pilots makes me think that it might not be such a good idea, cool as it would be from a backstory perspective as well. And finally, Silent Hunter III in space!! Awesome!
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Patch86 My favourite suggestion so far is having special "Officer Slots". A bit like rig slots, in that its another kind of ship add on. You could have none on a Frigate (because they either have very very small crews, or none at all), 1 on a Cruiser / BC, 2 on a BS, 3 on a Dread / Carrier, 4 on a Mothership, 5 on a Titan. Each special "officer" would simply bring another bonus to your ship (just like all sorts of other rigs / modules) but would specially require a wage, paid every DT. Obviously the better the officer, the more extortionate the wage. Availability wise, basic officers could be available from NPC vendors, creating a new isk sink (which are always welcome). More advanced officers would be available for LP, special exploration finds ("rescue the crippled battleship" style) and however else. That is a good idea as well. For the ones that say this is anoither way for the rich to gain a benefit.... Hello? That is how life works! And that is how EVE works as well anyway. ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited Pilot of the ACV Digger (Retriever) ACV Respite (Carcacel) "It's none of my business what I think of you."
Bastogne Caldari Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:13:00 - [31] There has been a dev post in Eve Library confirming that all ships above frigates have crews.
Nercromancer S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:14:00 - [32] This dead hore has been flogged so often that ft's been reduced to a mass of pink & gray mush. and yes, ships have crews. I remember reading somewhere that Battleships have 5000-7000 crew members aboard and that Frigs have between 1-3 (cruisers up to 100 etc).
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Nercromancer This dead hore has been flogged so often that ft's been reduced to a mass of pink & gray mush. and yes, ships have crews. I remember reading somewhere that Battleships have 5000-7000 crew members aboard and that Frigs have between 1-3 (cruisers up to 100 etc). You flog dead hores? Sicko -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Nercromancer This dead hore has been flogged so often that ft's been reduced to a mass of pink & gray mush. and yes, ships have crews. I remember reading somewhere that Battleships have 5000-7000 crew members aboard and that Frigs have between 1-3 (cruisers up to 100 etc). You flog dead hores? Sicko OMG, GTA made him do it.
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Patch86 My favourite suggestion so far is having special "Officer Slots". A bit like rig slots, in that its another kind of ship add on. You could have none on a Frigate (because they either have very very small crews, or none at all), 1 on a Cruiser / BC, 2 on a BS, 3 on a Dread / Carrier, 4 on a Mothership, 5 on a Titan. Each special "officer" would simply bring another bonus to your ship (just like all sorts of other rigs / modules) but would specially require a wage, paid every DT. Obviously the better the officer, the more extortionate the wage. Availability wise, basic officers could be available from NPC vendors, creating a new isk sink (which are always welcome). More advanced officers would be available for LP, special exploration finds ("rescue the crippled battleship" style) and however else. that's a rather good solution to the concept - I'd like to see that, with some detailing - particularly the opportinity to take crews off other ships (gives the mission runners something to do) I also like the idea of the various costs for initial hire (slave crews = more purchase, less upkeep, gallente = high upkeep, etc.) I'd see such crew/officers (Ingame, I'd see such an officer slot also consisting of the crew under their command) giving bonuses like weapon reload times ("get those loaded, now"), subtle hull and armour hp regen ("repair crews to bulkhead 10....") sensor strengths/ranges ("get me a lock, I don;t care what it takes") and so on - stuff that would make details, but also personalise your ships - Ideally, I'd like to see such officers (and crew) able to be deployed from hangar barracks, with a upkeep whether they're in space or not. this could also be a useful way to make slaver hounds, janitors, marines, refugees, etc become valid assets ingame, effectively making corporation "underlings" working for your corp, with the deployment of said staff types giving bonuses to the crews in barracks: "Join Letch Industries, an exotic dancer for every crewman" hrm. really would have a lot of potential.
Pliskkenn Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:39:00 - [36] Furthering my characters reluctance to fly larger ships because the fear of loss of life he knows and cares about is too great! But yeah, while most people would just view it as another mod / stat to look at, I'd favour finding ship crews. Although gaining experience isnt really an EVE thing, they'd either be good, or they wouldnt.
Sadenn	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Patch86 Availability wise, basic officers could be available from NPC vendors, creating a new isk sink (which are always welcome). More advanced officers would be available for LP, special exploration finds ("rescue the crippled battleship" style) and however else. Or you could research your basic officers just like a BPO. Perhaps then you could lease them out to other players and take a cut of their pay. New business: Crew Staffing.
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Pliskkenn Furthering my characters reluctance to fly larger ships because the fear of loss of life he knows and cares about is too great! But yeah, while most people would just view it as another mod / stat to look at, I'd favour finding ship crews. Although gaining experience isnt really an EVE thing, they'd either be good, or they wouldnt. Well it would appease the people that want some sort of XP grind if it applied to the crews. While keeping the SP over time for the skills which is the most important aspect anyway. I like the ideas coming from everyone! ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited Pilot of the ACV Digger (Retriever) ACV Respite (Carcacel) "It's none of my business what I think of you."
WhiteDragonShadow	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:01:00 - [39] /signed
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:11:00 - [40] How many crew would there be on a titan? Anyway, I like the idea of crews giving bonuses, having officer slots etc. Perhaps you could train the crew. When crewmembers die, they would be lost forever. On the other hand it just adds another layer of complexity into the game, does it really enrich it?
Frothgar Caldari Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:45:00 - [41] Upgrading/Training crew is a MUCH better idea than the current combat booster system.
R34PER	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:47:00 - [42] I have given some thought to this before and i think it would make an excellent addition. Extra complexity is never bad, can't get enough of it, with HeatÖ and all..
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:02:00 - [43] Originally by: Mr Mozzie How many crew would there be on a titan? Probably a few hundred thousand if not more. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Metatron Celestia Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:14:00 - [44] With the amount of crew deaths due to the Goons suicidings, one must wonder how the hell the crew on Goon ships haven't rebelled yet. Good life insurance plan? Great pay? Promises of Exotic Dancers? Cookies, Cake and Pie?
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:59:00 - [45] Hey I got a better idea!! Lets just give all GTC farmers, T2 BPO owners, or anyone else who is absurdly rich 10 million skillpoints !!! How about that??? Oh and a 5+ boost to all attributes too!! Yeah lets also spawn them some officers! NO --- --- ---
Roger Waters Wise Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:34:00 - [46] The way I understood it was that we are "pod" pilots, meaning we are the elite, hence all this backstory about us graduating from "some some school", and with this pod we could command the ship from just one place, and no need for a crew. However, the npc's have crews, no idea how many, but that's 'cause they don't got all this suposed training from all those newbie corps and can't fly in pods. I won't put money on this tho
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Roger Waters The way I understood it was that we are "pod" pilots, meaning we are the elite, hence all this backstory about us graduating from "some some school", and with this pod we could command the ship from just one place, and no need for a crew. However, the npc's have crews, no idea how many, but that's 'cause they don't got all this suposed training from all those newbie corps and can't fly in pods. I won't put money on this tho Pod pilot's ships have crews, this has been confirmed many times by chronicles on the websites and in EON. In fact for a period of time EON stories focused quite largely of the world of the crews. They're just biomass though, having a better crew member here or there won't make any difference since most of the ships performance comes from the pilot, so upgrading crews would more or less violate the backstory. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! No such thing as griefing in Eve

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