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DARK DAY Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 - [481] Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend. Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack... ...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay IM HIS ALT. YES, yOU DO KNOW HIM :P
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 - [482] Originally by: Lunarra Does no one actually get it? Keeping blaming the others and blah blah. LV did what they had to do regarding numbers and fighters and bubbles and whatenot to defend their assets. NONE can be blame for it, anyone would have done the same if they could. And this wasn't for crashing the node BSHT. But so did the coalition! You were in large number and very well placed. Did you expect us to jump at 50.... just to keep the node happy? BOTH side were over excited and looking forward to what could have been the biggest fight ever and NONE wanted a node crash. LV wanted to show the could push us back, we wanted to push them back. But all wanted a fight that didn't happen. None is to blame, -maybe- CCP but here again... That was just a first for them also. QFT! Basically yes, everyone wanted to fight, and everyone suffered through not being able to. Its plain to see that CCP has to take this VERY seriously and I'm sure they do. We were all there for a good damn time, not a good damn chracter logon screen. Its noone's fault, everyone suffered from the same crappy situation. And I'm sorry to both sides of this war, because we missed out on something that could have been the best night in eve history...but all was for not..what can be done to fix this? or is it just not fixable?
Thargat Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:15:00 - [483] Edited by: Thargat on 16/02/2007 14:15:57 Originally by: Xiaodown Edited by: Xiaodown on 16/02/2007 13:52:20 Originally by: Red Crown Seriously, with that kind of lag, I think losses after about 0330 should be reimbursed. That's it. And I'm not just saying that, I felt that some of ASCN's losses should have been reimbursed, and some losses in EC-P or whatever should have been reimbursed. ~X Me thinks nothing should ever be reimbursed. Stupid function anyhow. There are already clones and insurances. Nothing in eve is unfair except for the random reimbursement. Besides, it's nerfherding and lame. If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:17:00 - [484] Originally by: DARK DAY Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend. Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack... ...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay I thought lame flame trolls around allowed on these boards? I was in RA and I never ebayed, where does this get us? Righttt, you're a retard. -
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:17:00 - [485] Did I blame LV? I'm just stating that with the current state of the servers, it's a coin-toss between the fighting parties. Sometimes you win and you get to log in first, other times you lose and the opponent gets to log in first. ____________ Coming soon...
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:21:00 - [486] The balance of the game should not be decided by "if you can login" ..
DARK DAY Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:22:00 - [487] Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 14:19:49 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: DARK DAY Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend. Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack... ...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay I thought lame flame trolls around allowed on these boards? I was in RA and I never ebayed, where does this get us? Righttt, you're a retard. I wrote here before, some things are sword with 2 edges. One side calling others haxors and all CCP's corrupted is ok, but getting other skeletons from closet is a bad things. Proof? Is there a need for proof wilt lately threads on forums. So, yes. ebay corporations are part of this game im afraid :P Thank you for reaction though and calling other retards while thinking skill isnt skilled as so IM HIS ALT. YES, yOU DO KNOW HIM :P
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:26:00 - [488] Originally by: Goodtime Girl The balance of the game should not be decided by "if you can login" .. Agreed. However 'til CCP sort out their servers, this is reality in some cases. ____________ Coming soon...
THX22 RAGE Caldari Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:27:00 - [489] Originally by: Xiaodown The "1000 coalition pilots" thing doesn't become any more true the more times it's repeated. Maximum "rapetrain" (ugh) forces: around 600. There were at the time of the node crash about 360 in M-R, and another 150 in 46D and perhaps another 3-4 gangs of 30 in systems further out (9-9, etc). It's not like we didn't have scouts on the look out for what was coming. And the gang inside JV1V was (and I'm trying to be as honest as I can, here) at least 380 + carrier support. At the time the coalition forces started jumping in, local in JV1V was 440, almost all friendly (20 hostiles from the previous engagement). I know we had more than 300, because we maxed out gang size at 256, and started a 2nd gang, which had at least 80 people in it, and the capital fleet was in another gang. Ok, so roughly 600 coalition forces, jumping into 400 LV+friends forces. Now, on top of that, those bubbles (17 large bubbles) weren't there to look pretty, or cause lag... they were there to give people a hellaciously long trip to get out of the bubble and warp away. The minimum distance to travel to get out of the bubble was something like 30-40K, and in a battleship, that's a death sentance. Of the 380ish at the gate, better than 200 were fully fitted snieprs at optimal range. The rest were support - ECM, tacklers, and ravens that can't insta-hit. Now, add to this the fact that there were enough carriers in system to give roughly 200 fighters worth of extra help What I'm working up to is that even though those of us on the inside of JV1V were outnumbered, we had a complete tactical advantage. We had sniper spots all over the gate, we had fighter support, we had optimal range, and we had the bubbles up to hold people in place. 600 coalition vs. 400 LV+friends, with 200 fighters worth of support. None of us wanted the node to crash. I was trying to up my framerate via anything I could - by the time the node crashed, I was down to 1024x768, 16 bit color, no z-buffer, no audio, and widescreen - to try and reduce any client side lag. We were ready for this fight, and I am pretty sure we could have given the "rapetrain" (ugh again) a run for its money. So, saying "LV Wanted the node crash, lolol fofofo" is dumb. LV was ready for the fight. The node crash only hurt those already inside JV1V, and it gave the coalition a free pass to get into system without a fight. I wish it would have played out differently. I wanted to see that fight. Lol, well my friend, if BoB didn't had made the same thing on our first assault last week-end, there would not have been any LV ready to fight last night MMORPG: Many Man Online Role Playing Girl Alpha Prime: -- Saul -- Division OSS 000: -- MeMyself And'I -- X'tasy -- ValTria Rage -- LDLQ - QuTbecois Pure Laine
Delerium Primus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:37:00 - [490] Its a no win argument this from either side - okie maybe a little biased. Its horrible to say that I don't think alliance wars of this scale are possible on eve. Maybe in 2050 the servers and clients would be able to cope with that scale of fight, and lets face it, from whichever side you are on it would be one of the most awesome battles you'd ever take part in. I'm a little disheartened that we didn't get to fight - I was looking forward to it all. Until that day..... Del
Delerium Primus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:37:00 - [491] Its a no win argument this from either side - okie maybe a little biased. Its horrible to say that I don't think alliance wars of this scale are possible on eve. Maybe in 2050 the servers and clients would be able to cope with that scale of fight, and lets face it, from whichever side you are on it would be one of the most awesome battles you'd ever take part in. I'm a little disheartened that we didn't get to fight - I was looking forward to it all. Until that day..... Del
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 - [492] Let's just kill LV, then MC, FIX and ISS. Let's leave BoD for last... you always leave what tastes better for last. Then, then we can get back to playing the game... Until someone finds out what alliance the devs are controling after BoD. Then we (EVE comunity) kill them all and we get back to playing the game... Until we find out again what alliance the devs are controling... then... And we have the new life cycle for EVE
Cazziel Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 - [493] Edited by: Cazziel on 16/02/2007 14:35:03 C'mon LV, no one petitioned the EC-P8R situation which was almost the same, they just destroyed something like 30 large towers and sh*tloads of capital construction thingies and took the station. BoB and co had an overwhelming forces that were camping the gates and every attempt to jump in would have led to helluva lagfest / nodecrash. Just admit that it's risky business to bring any capital BPOs to 0.0 and especially building a titan, which takes ages to finish. You knew the risks and the force RedSwarm & coalition could bring in. Now live with it.
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 - [494] Let's just kill LV, then MC, FIX and ISS. Let's leave BoD for last... you always leave what tastes better for last. Then, then we can get back to playing the game... Until someone finds out what alliance the devs are controling after BoD. Then we (EVE comunity) kill them all and we get back to playing the game... Until we find out again what alliance the devs are controling... then... And we have the new life cycle for EVE
Cazziel Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 - [495] Edited by: Cazziel on 16/02/2007 14:35:03 C'mon LV, no one petitioned the EC-P8R situation which was almost the same, they just destroyed something like 30 large towers and sh*tloads of capital construction thingies and took the station. BoB and co had an overwhelming forces that were camping the gates and every attempt to jump in would have led to helluva lagfest / nodecrash. Just admit that it's risky business to bring any capital BPOs to 0.0 and especially building a titan, which takes ages to finish. You knew the risks and the force RedSwarm & coalition could bring in. Now live with it.
Zixxa	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 - [496] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected]) --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
Zixxa	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 - [497] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected]) --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:49:00 - [498] Well, whatever CCP is planning on doing to try to 'encourage'/provide some advantage to smaller fleet/gang sizes (anti blob weapons/flanking manuevers etc.) I would suggest they bring it to the table soon. If this is the wave of the future I have trouble believeing that either side will find it to be 'entertaining' large scale combat... JP http://www.evereserve.com
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:49:00 - [499] Well, whatever CCP is planning on doing to try to 'encourage'/provide some advantage to smaller fleet/gang sizes (anti blob weapons/flanking manuevers etc.) I would suggest they bring it to the table soon. If this is the wave of the future I have trouble believeing that either side will find it to be 'entertaining' large scale combat... JP http://www.evereserve.com
Bodziu Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:53:00 - [500] Im relly sad and **ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that *** whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ***** me. Bod
Nessa Aldeen Baltic StarFleet Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:57:00 - [501] This lag could be felt half way cross the galaxy :(..No wonder..
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:06:00 - [502] Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and **ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that *** whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they *** me. Bod I know I know man....it sucked. Missed ou ton a great time. Just to clarify, I sat at character login for 2 hours as well, and when we did get someone logged in there were like 15 in local after the crash lol, and then the node dumped from all the logging in. So our TS was ed like hell to....again noones fault, just a sad day for eve-o. My question is...why does JV have other systems on the same node. It was easy to tell they were there, because when it went down another system close by did(4n or well cant remember the name but it was down exaclty the same time and for exaclty the same amount of time so clearly they were off the same node right?). I'm not hugely savy on all the actual server/node techy side, but could it not have been arranged on CCP's side to dedicate a node to JV knowing 1000 to 1500 pilots were about to make the devil ** himself and shake in his boots at the fight about to take place.
Lunarra Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:07:00 - [503] Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and **ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that *** whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ***** me. Bod I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes. Unfortunally i agree you lost more than us because of it, and yes it might be unfair to lose this way i can't denie it. LV had still a few pilots logged in the system. See that 90% of us and both sides were unable to log in. The problem is that 10% of 1000 is much more able to do something that 10% of 300 giving you give practically no chances. For those who claim that the coalition crashed the node on purpouse i'd say 1 thing: DO YOU REALLY BELIEV THAT WE SPEND 3 HOURS AT 4AM WEEK DAY STARING AT A BLACK SCREEN SO A TINY PROPORTION OF OTHER PPLE CAN HAVE FUN CAUSE MY DUTY IN THE FLEET IS: NODE CRASHING?
Delerium Primus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:08:00 - [504] Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and **ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that *** whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ***** me. Bod Whilst i share your frustration, I dont share how you present it and the flaming. This isn't certainly isn't the voice of LV and I do ask that you please restrain yourself from posting like that. Del
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:10:00 - [505] Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and **ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. I'm just an outsider looking in here, having followed the whole incident without much comment at all, and very impartial about the whole thing. Except, I seem to recall LV's own people saying you had 300 or so people....then it was 380 people..then 400+ people, and now 550 people + friends. Uhm...Can you just please make up your mind on how much exactly you had. I'm not trying to make a snide remark, but this is beginning to sound silly and like that fishing trip your friend joe schmoe went on and he's describing the size of the fish he caught to several people, and everytime the fish becomes 5 inches longer. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right** - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:15:00 - [506] You can not blame players for what happened last night - the fundamental problem of the crash was a result of the ccp servers not being able to handle the load and type of combat they themselves have designed the game around, which is huge fleet engagements and pos warfare. Are ccp to blame ? well node crashes are nothing new, this issue has gone on for years when fleets amass and has never been suitably resolved. The only thing ccp didn't have control over was the sheer scale of last nights fight but i'd argue 600 combatants or 1000+ like last night, a node crash was inevitable. The servers simply do not handle the load of mass fleet engagements. I believe the vast majority of players involved on either side wanted a fight - Isn't it what we all dream Eve was like ? Huge fleet engagments like some epic star wars battles with frigates harrassing battleships who assault capital ships and huge space structures? Players didn't go out of their way to cause a node crash, but any player who had given any realistic thought as to what would happen, must of known that the only inevitable outcome was lag death and node crashes. Which is what happened, and the following race to log back on as quickly as possible to gain control of the gate. a race that took hours to even log back in..... LV didn't want to risk defending a huge asset like a titan with a fleet of 100, so they defended it with all they could muster, the coalition didn't want to attack a fleet of 400ships with 200, so they attacked with a force they thought would survive a jump in and win the field of battle - to do otherwise would be a waste of effort. Players did what they could to attack/defend in an environment yet again is proven incapable of sustaining the dynamic and game eve is designed around.
Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:35:00 - [507] Originally by: Lunarra I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes. It's been mentioned that LV were told to relog every 2 mins if they couldn't get in. That would apparently put them in the back of the queue every time. ------ [SILD]
PrevedIsBobrujska	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:38:00 - [508] At the start of thread LV had 300 friendlys. After few pages they had 350, etc. And on the last page they had "550 or even more" I even affraid surmise how they had in jv after few pages later. It's a fun topic, I read it all day with a smile.
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:39:00 - [509] Originally by: Qu'ut Nez Originally by: Lunarra I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes. It's been mentioned that LV were told to relog every 2 mins if they couldn't get in. That would apparently put them in the back of the queue every time. Maybe, but i think it holds no relevence, because noone could get ini relogged many times myself,as well did many folks. Never actually even got logged in in JV. I was in the system for 2 hours and never seen space
Taison Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:43:00 - [510] I dont get it- When u siege c-j with 400 and the node crashes u cry and whine that its not fair and that it helped RA and that its's impossible to siege a system under node crashes and it favours the defender Now u are on the defending site and u whine about quite the opposite..... (for that info read the 20 pages before ^)) Now dont u find it a bit strange ^)?

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