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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:37:00 -
[1]
Edited by: Xiaodown on 16/02/2007 03:33:49 Just creating a topic for this. There's about to be quite a storm in there, and I'm sure a bunch of people will want to comment.
I have screenshots of our friendly gang that I'll post later. Details coming. Stay tuned probably 10 minutes. |

Sovy Kurosei
Amarr Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:38:00 -
[2]
So what is the big news, guys? ___________________
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Nelson Vandermark
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:40:00 -
[3]
You can join JV1V which is LV intel channel with no password for all!
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:40:00 -
[4]
There's about to be a 300 v 200 fleet battle. |

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:41:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Xiaodown There's about to be a 300 v 200 fleet battle.
lol yeah right, the node will be long dead before anyone gets a lock  -----
$Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++; |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:43:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Xiaodown There's about to be a 300 v 200 fleet battle.
lol yeah right, the node will be long dead before anyone gets a lock 
I'm hoping it'll be awesome, with no lag.
But, here in the real world......
I'll keep a running feed for news purposes. |

Siva Calentis
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:44:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Xiaodown There's about to be a 300 v 200 fleet battle.
lol yeah right, the node will be long dead before anyone gets a lock 
QFT

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The legend formally known as Naldo! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:44:00 -
[8]
Its now grown to 1000+ vs 200 let the pew pew begin :)
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:44:00 -
[9]
Oh eve gods, bless thy node. 
Good luck all involved, and have fun! *** Sig Starts Here
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/Mimic-G/Califax-Final.jpg
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:45:00 -
[10]
Kill them.
Thank you.
> > Noli illegitimi carborundum! > |

blkmajik
ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:48:00 -
[11]
for the record:
[ 2007.02.16 02:24:27 ] (info) Connection to server lost,
The node crashed before this thread was started. It was about 200 vs 300 at that time, lasted for a good 5 mins, which wasn't long enough for me to load the grid and have any real control of my ship. Not sure if I'm still alive =)
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KodiakPI
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:50:00 -
[12]
Edited by: KodiakPI on 16/02/2007 03:47:24 Alt post Real post below, please delete this one
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:51:00 -
[13]
Originally by: blkmajik for the record:
[ 2007.02.16 02:24:27 ] (info) Connection to server lost,
The node crashed before this thread was started. It was about 200 vs 300 at that time, lasted for a good 5 mins, which wasn't long enough for me to load the grid and have any real control of my ship. Not sure if I'm still alive =)
   
I think the servers need more hamsters.
EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:55:00 -
[14]
its bound to crash heh just hope we get the 1st log in :S
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:58:00 -
[15]
I woke up at precisely 3.47.
I dont normally wake up randomly at 3.47
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
AMARR VICTOR |

Kodiak31415
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:58:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Fedaykinn Its now grown to 1000+ vs 200 let the pew pew begin :)
Seriously hope that 1000 is really supposed to be 100 and its just a typo. |

Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:58:00 -
[17]
By the way, whoever picks all the Battlestar Galactica Theme Music for fight music on the Goonswarm shoutcast rocks. I hopped on to see what you are playing for the battle and I approve wholeheartedly.
----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:59:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 03:56:13 no its is 1000 :) bless thy node indeed
coalition 1000+ lv around 300
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Dinamita Tona
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:05:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Fedaykinn Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 03:56:13 no its is 1000 :) bless thy node indeed
coalition 1000+ lv around 300
did you included Jita in your numbers as well?
lmfao
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:06:00 -
[20]
seriosly im not joking that is how big it is its 5 alliances all togeather I am not joking ppl!
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:08:00 -
[21]
Its huge 
/me wonders if his wolf will survive DD :P
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:10:00 -
[22]
Screenshot?  ---
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:12:00 -
[23]
All I can say is those in Jita should quit whining :)
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:15:00 -
[24]
gonna be over 1,000 in local in a few short hours.
CCP put the hamsters on overtime. -------------------------------------------------
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:16:00 -
[25]
Originally by: lofty29 Screenshot? 
Linkage |

Vandervecken Smith
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:18:00 -
[26]
This just in: As hundreds of pod pilots try to cram themselves into JV1V like frat boys going for a most-people-in-a-mini record attempt, the Eve Universe continues to list dangerously to one side. Jita huggers frantically claw for higher ground and the BoB partial return to Fountain can be seen in a new light - at least one of their characters will survive the impending drowning.
Seriously though, can you guys actually get anything done?
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:18:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 04:18:33 Only half the fleet atm more screenies to come
The toher sceenies is inside the target system. My screenie is all friendly just outside the target system
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Raithe Opan
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:20:00 -
[28]
Information leakage ftl. Clean up that screenshot, Fedaykinn.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:21:00 -
[29]
The lag has won. We're at sunday jita 700 people style lag now.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:25:00 -
[30]
node crash at 550 in local
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:25:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Xiaodown The lag has won. We're at sunday jita 700 people style lag now.
They never listen, THEY NEVER LISTEN!!!! ---
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:25:00 -
[32]
thats alot of people there..
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:26:00 -
[33]
quite concerned that your reporting everything like running commentary xiaodown I urge you to shusht.
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Pettu
Species 5618 SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:26:00 -
[34]
Whee for 3 min warp command lag  ----
Species recruitment |

Prophetic
Gallente Homeworld Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:26:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: lofty29 Screenshot? 
Linkage
I am just... GUESSING... but I wonder if the guys you are sitting there with appreciate you posting a screenshot of their defensive positions and layout.
I WONDER.
Maybe you should stfu till after the fight if their is one.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:31:00 -
[36]
CCP is trying to fix it, appearantly.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:32:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Prophetic
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: lofty29 Screenshot? 
Linkage
I am just... GUESSING... but I wonder if the guys you are sitting there with appreciate you posting a screenshot of their defensive positions and layout.
I WONDER.
Maybe you should stfu till after the fight if their is one.
1.) that thing is zoomed out so far there's nothing that can be garnered from it. 2.) we know they have coverts in system. 3.) there are reports far and wide that the gate is camped. 4.) that picture is an hour old now. 5.) STFU. |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:34:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Prophetic
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: lofty29 Screenshot? 
Linkage
I am just... GUESSING... but I wonder if the guys you are sitting there with appreciate you posting a screenshot of their defensive positions and layout.
I WONDER.
Maybe you should stfu till after the fight if their is one.
1.) that thing is zoomed out so far there's nothing that can be garnered from it. 2.) we know they have coverts in system. 3.) there are reports far and wide that the gate is camped. 4.) that picture is an hour old now. 5.) STFU.
Still stupid no questions asked.
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Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:35:00 -
[39]
You know people at CCP got called in over this :-\ Node's gone down 2 or 3 times now, I think.
Sorry CCP, but a big thumbs-up for your hard work at getting it up and running while we continually cascade/pummel onto the server!
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:36:00 -
[40]
This fight will be remembered...assuming we can load/log in...
Click above for my killboard stats. |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Kirex This fight will be remembered...assuming we can load/log in...
Eh, either way, it'll be remembered.
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anister
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:39:00 -
[42]
Node crashed and players online dropped by over 1,000... ___
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:40:00 -
[43]
another node crash. |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:41:00 -
[44]
Please add dual hamster power... swap jita to a different node... let us take jita node!
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Sir Kad
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:42:00 -
[45]
After 20min of trying to log in the node crashed again. 
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Larshus Magrus
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:42:00 -
[46]
Quite frankly I've had it with CCP.
How am I and the rest of my alliance supposed to defend our system when the enemy can literally mass, jump in, take the node down, then I set and the Character selection screen for, oh 17 MINUTES now trying to get back in.
Its not the enemies fault.. don't get me wrong. They are doing what they are supposed to do... take the system.
I'm frustrated as hell because there is no way to defend if I keep getting booted repeatedly out of the game.
Oh another thing thats driving me insane... jv, mr, 9-9 and alot of the remaining systems are ON THE SAME NODE. CCP knew jv was going to have 1500+ people shooting at eachother and they have MULTIPLE systems on the same damn node.
CCP: Seriously, grow up. You build this game literally for this epic fight thats taking place... and its absolutely no fun playing this at this point.
Oh goodie.. the node just crashed again while i was sitting at the character selection screen from the LAST node crash. Pffft.
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Brenhalde
Alcohol Fueled Brutality
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:43:00 -
[47]
This battle (or lack thereof) will almost certainly demonstrate the limitation of eve. Even if system is on its own node, it can't handle 1000+ ships (which is almost certain for this) in the same grid. The idea of a titan firing DD would crash the node in itself. Hell, the node has probably called in sick, and it's flunky will have to muttle through. 3 hampsters exploded from stress 30 minutes ago, when they saw the pilots traveling down pipes towards JV1V.
I wonder if this will expedite a grid or system pilot limit as a solution. Surprised one hasn't already been implemented already.
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Mesuk Esuckee
Love You Long Time
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:43:00 -
[48]
well, I've never been able to actually participate in any fleet battle ever due to lag, node death, and log-in queues. I don't see why this one should be any different.
Minmatar too beaucoup! |

Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:43:00 -
[49]
It was LV's dev. that made the node crash. It was also the devs that were responsible for New Coke, Crystal Pepsi and the Tony Danza show. 
On a more serious note I wish CCP would fix these things.
Boli
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:44:00 -
[50]
Ok this pic is fine to post now as the node crashed after so its shows no relevance to whats happenin now. Just an idea how big the fleet is atm this was only half of the fleet the other half were alrdy in jv1v :S
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:44:00 -
[51]
Don't worry ! The IAC fleet is on the way to help fight lag !!1 
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Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:44:00 -
[52]
4 jumps away there is no lag.. 3 jumps out is frozen...
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Nekuva
The SMITE Brotherhood Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:45:00 -
[53]
now i can't log in
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Give me ISK.... |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:46:00 -
[54]
come join us IAC were warming the battlefield up for you :)
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Aelena Thraant You seriously expect to bring 1000 pilots and not crash the node? Good luck with that...
Expect CCP to prepare for it.
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Larshus Magrus
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:50:00 -
[56]
Jut crashed a second time while waiting on the selection screen.
FFS.
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Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:50:00 -
[57]
This just aint gonna happen. You cant have an 800 person battle in this game..
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:50:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Larshus Magrus Quite frankly I've had it with CCP.
How am I and the rest of my alliance supposed to defend our system when the enemy can literally mass, jump in, take the node down, then I set and the Character selection screen for, oh 17 MINUTES now trying to get back in.
Originally by: Lotka Volterra Forums at least lets crash the node!!
and yes, altough i was negative, well, more dissapointed about crapy stront management in KEY POS in KEY SYSTEM, and i am from EU timezone, i already informed my GF that this night is EVE night.
It will be 5am in the morning and i have to go to work at 8.00 am in the morning, BUT i will be there, with everything i can bring on the battlefield!
Can we please get supplies of dominixes and appropriate anti cap modules to some location near, so we can pwn them to deepest hell!
Clean up your own alliance before you tell us how to run ours.
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:50:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Jake Noble
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Prophetic
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: lofty29 Screenshot? 
Linkage
I am just... GUESSING... but I wonder if the guys you are sitting there with appreciate you posting a screenshot of their defensive positions and layout.
I WONDER.
Maybe you should stfu till after the fight if their is one.
1.) that thing is zoomed out so far there's nothing that can be garnered from it. 2.) we know they have coverts in system. 3.) there are reports far and wide that the gate is camped. 4.) that picture is an hour old now. 5.) STFU.
Still stupid no questions asked.
Is every body effing happy now? God.
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Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Aelena Thraant You seriously expect to bring 1000 pilots and not crash the node? Good luck with that...
Yes.
A guy can hope, can't he? 
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Pettu
Species 5618 SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:51:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Pettu on 16/02/2007 04:48:42 Poor GMs that have to sort out the petitions for this 
668 in local at 4:49  ---- Thx Imageshack.com for pwning my sig, coming back soon though
Species recruitment |

Larshus Magrus
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:52:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Raid This just aint gonna happen. You cant have an 800 person battle in this game..
800? there are 1500+
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:52:00 -
[63]
Entering System...
Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected]) |

Arx Sheep
Minmatar Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:52:00 -
[64]
Did you really expect it to be any different?
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:52:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Fedaykinn pic
ZOMG BEES!!!1!111!!!  ---
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General Furyan
Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:53:00 -
[66]
In fact, CCP created DD to stop the blobing problem, then to counter Titan and DD, we created the MegaBlob. I think they should rethink about it! The Titan will force alliance to do MegaBlob to be sure to be able to kill them, expect this problem for next months of fights!
- General Furyan |

crice
Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:53:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Fedaykinn seriosly im not joking that is how big it is its 5 alliances all togeather I am not joking ppl!
You have no honor.
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:54:00 -
[68]
Entering game as Phelan Lore... - Sig removed, don't say mean things about BoB. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Oiri Yusko |

cyphus veers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:54:00 -
[69]
700 approx g00ns N co ....
Spartan king leonidas : were in for one wild night.
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Fedaykin Naib
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:54:00 -
[70]
Good God ..... Xirt leading the gang. 
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Shinji Seto
Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:55:00 -
[71]
HeHehe someones gonna loose a capitol ship yard, or the node is gonna melt. Either way, good times.
"Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide. |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:55:00 -
[72]
re-name this post to JV1 node crash report, devs just monitor this post im sure it will be easier... Please give us jita node...
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:56:00 -
[73]
That's just silly. How could a Titan lost under these conditions (or the mins for it) NOT be reimbursed? I mean, from the sound of it, the node is literally being beaten to death. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Fedaykin Naib Good God ..... Xirt leading the gang. 
Yeh but then the node crashed so right now its a completley different situation and every1 knows xirt is the leader of CA anyway :S
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:56:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Xiaodown on 16/02/2007 04:53:56
Originally by: Jake Noble re-name this post to JV1 node crash report, devs just monitor this post im sure it will be easier... Please give us jita node...
You got it
UPDATE: Follow the thread for the most exciting news on the topic of "Entering game as _________......" and MORE HOT BLACK SCREEN ACTION THAN YOU'LL EVER GET TIRED OF. |

Peanut Swsh
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:57:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Larshus Magrus Quite frankly I've had it with CCP.
How am I and the rest of my alliance supposed to defend our system when the enemy can literally mass, jump in, take the node down,
wait this is a problem for you why?
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:57:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Peanut Swsh
Originally by: Larshus Magrus Quite frankly I've had it with CCP.
How am I and the rest of my alliance supposed to defend our system when the enemy can literally mass, jump in, take the node down,
wait this is a problem for you why?
Because we cant annihilate the hostile force.
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Nekuva
The SMITE Brotherhood Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:58:00 -
[78]
Here's the latest image of what's happening
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Give me ISK.... |

Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:58:00 -
[79]
Originally by: ArcticFox That's just silly. How could a Titan lost under these conditions (or the mins for it) NOT be reimbursed? I mean, from the sound of it, the node is literally being beaten to death.
That's the LV defense plan
Originally by: LV in Local JV1V
[ 2007.02.15 23:06:46 ] Shivalla > Time to mine for next Titan, Goons are coming [ 2007.02.15 23:06:48 ] Shivalla > LOOOL [ 2007.02.15 23:06:53 ] Shivalla > I say Buublescates [ 2007.02.15 23:07:36 ] Decbeck125 > to annoy goons when they come to attack set up about 50 Bubbles large on the gate [ 2007.02.15 23:07:58 ] SgtPro7 > it is an exploit, you create lag... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:12 ] Decbeck125 > yes [ 2007.02.15 23:08:26 ] Shivalla > omg... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:29 ] Shivalla > Bio material... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:30 ] Forgot 2Wipe > 165 in local, 165 bubbles sound good [ 2007.02.15 23:08:48 ] Taka > sgtpro theres nothing wong with putting up as many bubbles as we want
GM Sunshine> I slip out of my pants, just for you, Phelan baby. Phelan Driscoll> Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat. |

Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:58:00 -
[80]
Originally by: crice
Originally by: Fedaykinn seriosly im not joking that is how big it is its 5 alliances all togeather I am not joking ppl!
You have no honor.
Irony 4tw. ---
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:01:00 -
[81]
nod crash round 3 ....
DELTA is recruiting
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:01:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll That's the LV defense plan
You owe me a new Irony-meter. 
A goonswarm member, part of a coalition currently attempting to jam what has been reported as anywhere from 300 to 1000 pilots into a system that already has 200 in it complaining that it is the enemy's fault there's lag. Classic.  -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |

cyphus veers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:01:00 -
[83]
Its official, The node has been helened.
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Bellon
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:02:00 -
[84]
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll That's the LV defense plan
You owe me a new Irony-meter. 
A goonswarm member, part of a coalition currently attempting to jam what has been reported as anywhere from 300 to 1000 pilots into a system that already has 200 in it complaining that it is the enemy's fault there's lag. Classic. 
The nodecrash is allowing them to get past our bubble camp.
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:02:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: ArcticFox That's just silly. How could a Titan lost under these conditions (or the mins for it) NOT be reimbursed? I mean, from the sound of it, the node is literally being beaten to death.
That's the LV defense plan
Originally by: LV in Local JV1V
[ 2007.02.15 23:06:46 ] Shivalla > Time to mine for next Titan, Goons are coming [ 2007.02.15 23:06:48 ] Shivalla > LOOOL [ 2007.02.15 23:06:53 ] Shivalla > I say Buublescates [ 2007.02.15 23:07:36 ] Decbeck125 > to annoy goons when they come to attack set up about 50 Bubbles large on the gate [ 2007.02.15 23:07:58 ] SgtPro7 > it is an exploit, you create lag... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:12 ] Decbeck125 > yes [ 2007.02.15 23:08:26 ] Shivalla > omg... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:29 ] Shivalla > Bio material... [ 2007.02.15 23:08:30 ] Forgot 2Wipe > 165 in local, 165 bubbles sound good [ 2007.02.15 23:08:48 ] Taka > sgtpro theres nothing wong with putting up as many bubbles as we want
Ok off all crap we post on forums and write in gangchat...how much you think this is true? We post so much crap that its funny goons actually think its true. We are just messing arround, in the end you guys are the ones who want to crash the node to get an advantage... again --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |

Oofig VanDoogan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:02:00 -
[86]
Just remember, only goonswarm can log back in, nobody else can!
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Heuy Hatorat
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:03:00 -
[87]
4th node crash YAY, this fun!
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:03:00 -
[88]
4th.
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Swor
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:03:00 -
[89]
just crashed logging in lol
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kashkaisha
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:03:00 -
[90]
/agree whit nekuva :(
Pop. in JITA = 600 ppl Pop. in J1V = 700 ppl Bob placing 20 Large bubble at jv1 gate for maximum lag = exploit Paying 20$ a month for a login window screen = priceless
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Toyal Wiulaz
Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:03:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Toyal Wiulaz on 16/02/2007 05:00:24 4th node crash!
can we do number 5?
LOL at CCP ----------------------------------------- I speak QC tabarnak! QC 4tw! :) |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme If there's not going to be an 800 man fight in this game, it's not going to be because players don't try. We're always going to try, because that is how the game is structured. We're told about optimizations continually ongoing, and CCP can reinforce nodes (or so I'm told) and no limits have been given regarding these actions. I'm sure that every node crash does provide CCP with some data to help figure out how to support the epic battles we desire (and try to force).
Hopefully there will be some resolution to what is happening tonite in-game (either one side or the other is wiped out) but hopefully there will also be something that comes out of it to help CCP figure out how to keep the hampsters running next time.
Agreed. Every core dump is one step closer to a solution.
Still, though, it's disappointing. We were probably outnumbered, but were set up and dug in in a defensive posture. There were all kinds of suggestions about what to expect and what to do and who was targeting what over teamspeak and whatnot, and then.... node crash =(. I was really looking forward to a fight.
And I'm not going to lie, I started this thread with the hope of by this time being able to say "Guess what, we WTFPWNED them" etc. I mean, isn't that what everyone wants?
Instead we've got "Local is fluctuating between 12 and 800+" from the people that are logged in.
Oh, and there's the 4th crash this hour.
I'm totally serious when I say I hope some day that this isn't a problem anymore, and we can have battles like this. I would rather have LOST this fight than sit there and try to log in like this over and over. Haven't seen aught but a black screen in 45 minutes. |

Marcus Quo
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
Are you freaking kidding? We outnumber you 2 to 1, no one wants this battle to happen more than the coalition.
You can't really call brining a larger force an "exploit." You can throw other insults around if you want, but please, be realistic here.
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[94]
nod crash round 4
DELTA is recruiting
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Peanut Swsh
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
wait... they are able to login? HOW! i have been trying to login for more then 30 minutes already.
all i'm getting is http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6818/logginginvc0.jpg
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
Check your forums and your local chat before you go accusing others of cheating.
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Chakato
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:04:00 -
[97]
The real p1sser for you guys will be seeing the full POS shields... heh. Node reset 4tw.
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:05:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
"LVs strategy is to create a mega blob making the node crash, making it impossible for attackers to enter the system
This is what I would call an exploit."
BTW I can confirm GOON is NOT doing that, I was in their first suicide fleet and we were told NOT to log out or else we'll get in a jump queu.
Click above for my killboard stats. |

anister
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:05:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Bellon then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
did you not notice the 3-4 node crashes? ___
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Rahn Altyr
Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:05:00 -
[100]
I think I can say that in all honesty, this battle will set the tone of the whole "Big Deal War." Meaning Lots o' lag, and forum spamming.
Kind of makes me wonder if the two are related. Now that I think about it, every time I've tried to read the forums during an extended downtime, the forums are down too... OMG! The forums and Tranquility ARE actually linked! So that means eventually, all your successes and trolling on here will garner you rewards ingame! 
Okay.. back to reality now. I can't wait to see the results of this, if the nodes ever do hold up. And please, wait till there's something to say besides "Node crashed" and "Stupid CCP and their borked game."
The Dark is Rising. Come, and rise with us. |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:05:00 -
[101]
Originally by: kashkaisha /agree whit nekuva :(
Pop. in JITA = 600 ppl Pop. in J1V = 700 ppl Bob placing 20 Large bubble at jv1 gate for maximum lag = exploit Paying 20$ a month for a login window screen = priceless
1.) there's no BoB here.
2.) Those "warp disrupt bubbles" are there to, oh, i dunno, DISRUPT PEOPLE'S WARP so that we have more time to keeeeel them.
Look! Over there! It's a conspiracy! |

cyphus veers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:06:00 -
[102]
This battle may be remembered for more than the fight lol
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MGargantua
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:06:00 -
[103]
Good evening LV members at JV1V, turn on your main screens and become aware that you have no chance to survive and should make your time by not logging in. There is the biggest fleet in eve history in system setting up a bomb of drama proportions and you are its targets. And there are many many more still coming, no zig can save you from our numbers in the hundreds of thousands.
There will be an endless tide of blood because there is noend to the grand numbers of battleships, cruisiers and especially our famed frigates.
because the swarm doom train hasn't brakes as we all know
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Rick Thwaites
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:07:00 -
[104]
Devs and GMs just got phonecalls, I bet, to try and fix the situation.
I can hear the office chatter now:
"****! Tired!" *Whip****** "Shuddup! More node power! Fix it!"
"Guys! Can we just shutdown the south for three days?"
"Damn (insert any combinations of the alliances involved"
"How do I route 18 nodes to one system, guys?" --
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:07:00 -
[105]
I've got it.
10 of LVs best and 40 of Coaltions Best log into test server and have a duel whoever wins gets the system 
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Hamatitio
Caldari Fate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:08:00 -
[106]
I'm posting in an epic thread
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cyphus veers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:08:00 -
[107]
we'll have to thin that fleet now wont we =P
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:08:00 -
[108]
An EPIC crash.
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VENOM2k99
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:09:00 -
[109]
Wow.. NODE CRASH FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:10:00 -
[110]
guys guys stop trying to login to fight its an exploit
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:10:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Chakato The real p1sser for you guys will be seeing the full POS shields... heh. Node reset 4tw.
   
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Silmerias
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:10:00 -
[112]
Entering game as Silmerias for the 4th ;-) Number of crash node TCF estimation for this battle: 15 :D
And the winner is ?
--- Silmerias Tau Ceti Federation |

PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:11:00 -
[113]
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll That's the LV defense plan
You owe me a new Irony-meter. 
A goonswarm member, part of a coalition currently attempting to jam what has been reported as anywhere from 300 to 1000 pilots into a system that already has 200 in it complaining that it is the enemy's fault there's lag. Classic. 
hurrrrrrr dee hurr hurr. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. there is no dhurrrrr big enough for this post. the irony here is how LV, who ***** constantly about "lag tactics" have this kind of post on their internal forums. and of course trying to bring in an extraordinarily large fleet is only for lag! what, if you were the guy taking invites would you start saying "no more ewar cruisers please, don't want to jam them, we shouldn't have an advantage" - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

Aceonfire
Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:11:00 -
[114]
Originally by: KIATolon We have a few hundred people, this is only going to go one way for you if we were able to load.
lololol
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Molten Steel
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:11:00 -
[115]
Due to recent login difficulties I've been reduced to forum pvp only 
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Violent Jake
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:11:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
I bet you would prefer they jumped in one at a time, wouldn't you.
Your alliance can't die fast enough.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:11:00 -
[117]
Originally by: KIATolon We have a few hundred people, this is only going to go one way for you if we were able to load.
This battle was shaping up to be about 400 - 450 of us versus about 500-600 of you. But you'd be jumping into us. I think I'd have rather let things play out. I'm not so sure you would have walked away with the win.
But like i said, I wish we could have found out. |

Silmerias
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:12:00 -
[118]
Infact 20 large bubulle at the gate and 250.000 drones can't help any log into JV1V ;-)
--- Silmerias Tau Ceti Federation |

Obbi
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:12:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Obbi on 16/02/2007 05:10:17 Has any one managed to log back in yet Im still not able to get on =(
Any intel as well whats going on in there ><
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:12:00 -
[120]
So.. goonies and gang already have 400-500 people inside JV1V... and theres still over 200 coming to join them... oh i wonder whos causing most lag......
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verrus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:13:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Violent Jake
Originally by: Bellon Goonswarms strategy is to jump enough people in at once to crash the node, then login-logout 3 or 4 times to get out of the bubbles.
This is what I would call an exploit.
I bet you would prefer they jumped in one at a time, wouldn't you.
they did...often.
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Rick Thwaites
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:13:00 -
[122]
I should jump down from where I currently am. I might be the only person in the system! = )! --
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FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:13:00 -
[123]
Us bringing a large fleet is an exploit? rofl
Your bubbles are making half our fleet crash, omghax!
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Cpt Pugwash
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:13:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll That's the LV defense plan
You owe me a new Irony-meter. 
A goonswarm member, part of a coalition currently attempting to jam what has been reported as anywhere from 300 to 1000 pilots into a system that already has 200 in it complaining that it is the enemy's fault there's lag. Classic. 
The nodecrash is allowing them to get past our bubble camp.
You really think you could have defended the system if the server could have handled so many?
The only hope you have is to keep the node crashing until everybody gets fedup and goes home
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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Tom Gunn
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:14:00 -
[125]
Do you have any idea how long mobile warp disruptor bubbles take to kill in a T2 frigate ?
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:14:00 -
[126]
Edited by: dfgdfgerdv on 16/02/2007 05:10:49
Originally by: FGxHalsey Us bringing a large fleet is an exploit? rofl
Your bubbles are making half our fleet crash, omghax!
How does bubbles make you lag?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:15:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 16/02/2007 05:12:04 CCP, can we get a special turn based client?
Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected]) |

SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:15:00 -
[128]
Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag. The Light in the Darkness
http://Origin.zapto.org |

dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:16:00 -
[129]
Edited by: dfgdfgerdv on 16/02/2007 05:13:38
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
Theres no drones... swing and miss.. and you still cant tell my why you get lagged by bubbles.. or is the propagnda all your leaders are feeding you?
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:17:00 -
[130]
Average age of the players in this thread is 16...how cute more goon replys pls, it makes me smile while logging in. --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:17:00 -
[131]
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
= dead node.
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PirateShampoo
UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:17:00 -
[132]
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
That is only rendering it causes 0 node lag. Just stop whining and get in the queue to long in the rest of us, and you want a fight? then use tatics and not numbers.
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Lavanyaa
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[133]
Down she goes :(
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Judge Ment
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Princess Minnie
will guys on both sides stop claiming their oponents are producing lag to try and crash the node on purpose!! Jumping 400 through a gate at the same time will crash the node, haveing 900 in the same system will crash the node. Simple as that.
LV dont want the node to crash as they lose their defensive formation, people logging in can get sucked into bubbles, and the opposition get into the system for free.
Red coalition probably dont want the node to crash, as they probably figure they can win with superior numbers.
Lag with that many people happen, node crashes happen, i know they shouldnt but they still do. Stop placing blame onto each other, just try and fight (when the time comes).
Are you trying to say that this game sucks? and Its not worth the money im paying?
Please feel free to tell us how we are suppose to play
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[135]
6th crash.
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[136]
Originally by: PirateShampoo Edited by: PirateShampoo on 16/02/2007 05:14:43
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
That is only client rendering it causes 0 node lag (although you may suffer bad client lag if your system is rubbish). Just stop whining and get in the queue to log in the rest of us, and you want a fight? then use tatics and not numbers.
please, tell us more about the internal workings of the game you OBVIOUSLY have such an intimate knowledge of - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[137]
First of all...
I don't care if LV have 68 bubbles on the gate, and 16 zillion drones...
You have 1000 people, as proclaimed in this thread. Now what in the world did you expect to happen when you tried to bring that many people into a system at around the same time.
Look lets not try to play the you caused the lag blame game here. Agree that 1000 vs 300, or even 300 vs 300 is a utterly stupid thing to do, and your not going to get any sort of a fight tonight, or at least not a fight in which one side or the other isn't horribly lagged out.
Go home, call it a wash, and then come back in the morning and see what happens. Stupid numbers like this cause stupid lag related problems like whats happening now.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 16/02/2007 05:21:16 Come one come all to jv1 and participate in nodepocolypse! This is number 5 I believe. Sig removed - I love BoB so you cant have this sig. |

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:24:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 16/02/2007 05:21:06 .
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:25:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Tom Gunn Need..... more.... node..... stabalizers.....
shield will recharge before we can do anyting about it
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:25:00 -
[141]
has anyone even fired a shot?
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:26:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: SolarKnight Can you guarentee that any ships camping the gate had no drones out?
or how about any carriers with fighters out assigned to support ships?
Are you there?
Are you even a main character?
Lets face it. EvE is currently borked. You can't use drones, fighters or bubbles to defend your system without lag. You can't invade with fleets of 200+ frigs and 200+ BS. People can logofski. You can logout a fleet in enemy space. You have to stay up at odd hours because prime times different for other people. etc. So everyone does what they can and it breaks... at least they gave us a web forum that, mainly, works... 
Can I have your stuff?
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:26:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Darpz has anyone even fired a shot?
No
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Obbi
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:26:00 -
[144]
Has any even made it back onto the server yet  
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Rak Rosse
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:27:00 -
[145]
Being on the receiving end of this is like watching icebergs calve off of Greenland glaciers. They don't all come at you at once, but instead in a steady stately stream.
First wave hits; there's some pew pew and the node crashes. Second wave is two to two-and-half times the size of the first; they jump in and the node crashes. The third and fourth waves are stacked up two and three systems back and the first wave is back in KZF/1V- hoping in new ships. The defenders and the second wave are trying to log in when the third wave hits and now they're all trying to log in while waves four, five and one-redux wait in-game to take their turn hitting the node.
If the node would hold, we would see whether a series of co-ordinated large-scale attacks would break a major gate camp or not. What we're seeing instead is the constant slipping of more attacking force (even if they're trying to log in) into JV1: forces the defenders are not getting to have a shot at and forces they'll have to fight inside the system not at the gate when things do clear up. The first way is playing the game; I don't know what the second is.
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Cpt Pugwash
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:27:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Bellon
Without a nodecrash exploit-swarm would have died on the gate. We had 200 fighters, 15 L bubbles and 400 person fleet at optimal.
With the nodecrash they have conveniently side stepped our fleet and can now take the fight where they want it, a terrible outcome for LV.
So with that size of defending force what should they have attacked with to make you happy?
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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CynoONe
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:28:00 -
[147]
Tech II Tissue anyone?
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Andreas Syneticus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:28:00 -
[148]
Originally by: PirateShampoo Edited by: PirateShampoo on 16/02/2007 05:14:43
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
That is only client rendering it causes 0 node lag (although you may suffer bad client lag if your system is rubbish). Just stop whining and get in the queue to log in the rest of us, and you want a fight? then use tatics and not numbers.
Incorrect, every deployable, drone, ship, etc, has information (such as position, speed, etc.) sent to the client. Toss in a crpaload of drones, with the bubbles up, is gonna contribute to the lag. An MMPOG relies heavily on server-client data transfer.
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:28:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Obbi Has any even made it back onto the server yet  
Negative
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:29:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Rak Rosse Being on the receiving end of this is like watching icebergs calve off of Greenland glaciers. They don't all come at you at once, but instead in a steady stately stream.
First wave hits; there's some pew pew and the node crashes. Second wave is two to two-and-half times the size of the first; they jump in and the node crashes. The third and fourth waves are stacked up two and three systems back and the first wave is back in KZF/1V- hoping in new ships. The defenders and the second wave are trying to log in when the third wave hits and now they're all trying to log in while waves four, five and one-redux wait in-game to take their turn hitting the node.
If the node would hold, we would see whether a series of co-ordinated large-scale attacks would break a major gate camp or not. What we're seeing instead is the constant slipping of more attacking force (even if they're trying to log in) into JV1: forces the defenders are not getting to have a shot at and forces they'll have to fight inside the system not at the gate when things do clear up. The first way is playing the game; I don't know what the second is.
Excellent Assessment
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:29:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Bellon
Without a nodecrash exploit-swarm would have died on the gate. We had 200 fighters, 15 L bubbles and 400 person fleet at optimal.
With the nodecrash they have conveniently side stepped our fleet and can now take the fight where they want it, a terrible outcome for LV.
So with that size of defending force what should they have attacked with to make you happy?
Its in your right to bring so many ofc. Just shame node crashed...4 times in a row --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
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PirateShampoo
UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:30:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Andreas Syneticus
Originally by: PirateShampoo Edited by: PirateShampoo on 16/02/2007 05:14:43
Originally by: SolarKnight Lots of Bubbles +Lots of drones to render + lots of ships to render warping into a gate = MAJOR Lag.
That is only client rendering it causes 0 node lag (although you may suffer bad client lag if your system is rubbish). Just stop whining and get in the queue to log in the rest of us, and you want a fight? then use tatics and not numbers.
Incorrect, every deployable, drone, ship, etc, has information (such as position, speed, etc.) sent to the client. Toss in a crpaload of drones, with the bubbles up, is gonna contribute to the lag. An MMPOG relies heavily on server-client data transfer.
Get 1000 people in 1 sys and I assure you 15 L bubbles aint gonna make any difference to you or any one else.
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anister
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:30:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Lorth First of all...
I don't care if LV have 68 bubbles on the gate, and 16 zillion drones...
You have 1000 people
you misread, 1,000 is the total for all parties. ___
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Matt calvert
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:30:00 -
[154]
Thx : http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216052002gl9.jpg
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Kren Mobius
Gallente Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:30:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Xiaodown The conversation just now in my bedroom:
My wife, after brushing her teeth, comes back into the room. Her: "How's it going with Eve?" Me: "See for yourself." Her: "I just took my contacts out, all I see is a black screen." Me: "Funny, I have perfect vision and I'm 18 inches from it, and that's all I see, too."
LOL best post in thread!!!!
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:32:00 -
[156]
No more posts from Dark.
/goes back to watching login screen.
Dark-Rising
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:33:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Southern Paladin on 16/02/2007 05:30:32 man i wanna see thru the looking glass...if ure client is loaded up plz post =p
 EDIT: 20 large bubbles on gate...sounds like overkill

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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:34:00 -
[158]
LV, and eventually BoB, are going to learn what we learned fighting these guys. You can't win. They will slowly filter into the system crash by crash and keep coming until they're able to take you down.
I think LV, to a certain extent, know this already. I don't think BoB has experienced it yet, and from the sounds of things they pulled out of this fight before they did. Unless something changes with the mechanics of the game, a 1000 man fleet who is willing to keep coming, crashes and lag be damned, is an unstoppable "I win" button. Sad, but true. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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Silmerias
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:34:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Adoro The LV way
Yep it's here -> [EXIT]

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Judge Ment
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:34:00 -
[160]
After viewing that image with bubbles: ..
Only one thing comes to my mind 
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Swor
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:34:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Swor on 16/02/2007 05:31:29 LV has 19 Large bubble and 6 med bubbles
Coalition has 1000-1200 total trying to jump into about 200-300 defenders with massive carrier support
Nodes are totally defeated
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Agent Kenshin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:35:00 -
[162]
Originally by: anister
Originally by: Lorth First of all...
I don't care if LV have 68 bubbles on the gate, and 16 zillion drones...
You have 1000 people
you misread, 1,000 is the total for all parties.
Originally by: Fedaykinn Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 03:56:13 no its is 1000 :) bless thy node indeed
coalition 1000+ lv around 300
Try again. -----
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fightnkill
Avatars of Honor Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:45:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: fightnkill if u guys outnumber em by 6x, why don't u split up into like 3 forces?
2 Forces attack their other outposts
While 1 of them keeps trying to take over J1V1
Because that Titan POS won't be in reinforced forever, and it's more important to them than almost any other target. Both for strategic and morale reasons.
Yeah that's true, but they also have to relize that they still have plenty of time to take that system over.
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AFY
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:45:00 -
[164]
Originally by: VBboy 200- 300 defenders lol...Well as The second Wave was comming in i saw Local friendlies and double that. With our Fleet I'd have said we could have taken over 800 hostiles given the positioning we had.
Yeah, problem is there wasn't 800 hostiles, there was 1200, and after the first 800 died, they'd be back before you reloaded.
Quote: LV should Not lose the POS as we had the system Locked down and with over 500+ friendlies ready to use wave after way of ships from the station i doubt the hostiles woulf have survived the night!
500 friendlies? 200 never got to log in the first time? Or are they the second shift?
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capt robn0id2
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:45:00 -
[165]
Ok let me see if I have this right from the LV and co point of view.
1)The coalition is bad for bringing too many ships...the node can only support 600ish pilots. So therefor, for goons to play fair, they can only invade LV space when there are low enough number of LV pilots in system for it to be lag-free. So if JV1V has 300 or so LV pilots it is impossible for goons to atack that system with equal or greater numbers without cheating using lag? Or is the fair and noble thing to do jump in with 100 pilots so a nice lag-free game can be enjoyed?
2) Goon pilots are cheating by logging in after a node crash. You seem to claim that by daring to log back in after a node crash goons are making use of unfair tactics and avoiding ur bizillion large bubbles? If you knew this was the case, and knew lag was going to happen why deploy the stupid things?
3) Ur going to win this war?
If any of these three points which ive drawn out from amongst the whinging rabble thats been spouted fom LV is wrong plase fill me in. This is generally the gist im getting from ur post on this thread so far.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:45:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: fightnkill if u guys outnumber em by 6x, why don't u split up into like 3 forces?
2 Forces attack their other outposts
While 1 of them keeps trying to take over J1V1
Because node crashes work in their favour.
A straight out fight on jumpin with the lag of say.. a normal 100v100, I guarantee we would have dominated them.
Dude seriously, the node crashes in noone's favor. we all want to have fun and fight mate and that damn sure isn't happening at the moment. hell no noone wants to stare at a login screen. We all are suffering from the same disappointment right now. Relax bud, its noone's fault, and i know it just blows man. Hopefully this is straightened out soon, so we can get to doing what we all want to do, and thats fight like hell and enjoy the game.
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VBboy
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it blindly amusing that contrary to all the smacktalk from coalition forces about LV and BoB being crap, by their own admission they need a thousand pilots to break your 200 pilot defense.
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest moral victory in Eve.
The only thing that saved them from our guns was the Node...In all my time in eve i have never seen anything this Epic and inspiring! Currently on an all-nighter as this to me is EVE WORLD WAR 1, Lol!
VBboy
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Bellon
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Judge Ment
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: fightnkill if u guys outnumber em by 6x, why don't u split up into like 3 forces?
2 Forces attack their other outposts
While 1 of them keeps trying to take over J1V1
Because node crashes work in their favour.
A straight out fight on jumpin with the lag of say.. a normal 100v100, I guarantee we would have dominated them.
Shinra You kill me man.. Every post you make you put your foot in your mouth.
Honestly I dont think you can Guarantee anything ATM
HISTORY ses you lost the most DREADS!
Your entire alliance is made up of corps that have failed at everything they have attempted and have no significant achievments between them. They are first to quit an alliance when it is in difficulties, so no doubt next month many will have moved on.
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bluebandit
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[169]
just adding to the useless rabble rabble, i feel important now yayyyy!!! now move on to the next useless post :\
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Lin Dze
PsyCorp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: fightnkill if u guys outnumber em by 6x, why don't u split up into like 3 forces?
2 Forces attack their other outposts
While 1 of them keeps trying to take over J1V1
Because node crashes work in their favour.
A straight out fight on jumpin with the lag of say.. a normal 100v100, I guarantee we would have dominated them.
Yes, it's definately in our intrest to have the node crash instead of having 1000 pilots DECIMATE your 200.
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empire loser
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Fedaykinn Ok this pic is fine to post now as the node crashed after so its shows no relevance to whats happenin now. Just an idea how big the fleet is atm this was only half of the fleet the other half were alrdy in jv1v :S
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Changed picture to link - Ductoris
At the time of the 1st crash there were over 460 in M-RP. There were 300 IAC I think coming in behind. 200 Goons were already in JV1. Now I hear we have another 300 on the way. Too bad this battle won't happen. It would have been a beauty.
Exploits? Nobody is exploiting. LV is defending their system. We are trying to take the system. How many people does it take to take a system when you know they have 170 ships with drones at the gate and 25 bubbles and probably a titan in system? The game isn't capable of letting us find out.
It takes a large fleet to try to take this system and the game is just not capable of handling it. Unfortunately CCP have pointed the game in the direction of owning territory and stations and super large ships but haven't made the game capable of supporting the epic battles they bring.
Lots of people are going to die here. Sadly most will be after the give up now and succeed in logging back later and find the system is a clusterf..k with enemies and friendlies everywhere but no organization. CCP will be swamped with petitions and they should all be filled. This isn't how the fight or the game was meant to be. If we were able to have this fight how it was meant to be I'm sure even the losing side would forever cherish the memory.
Fix the game please CCP. How do you expect us to take down titans if a system can't support enough pilots to do it? And everyone quit whining about exploits here, it's ridiculous!
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:47:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Perpello Do make certain all you bandwagoneers have standings set to each other, we keep hearing reports of you shooting each other; actually, it's quite amusing, so keep it up!
People get itchy trigger fingers, it's easy when you haven't seen a single hostile outside of JV1V :o
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Horatio Nately
Caldari Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:48:00 -
[173]
its kind of amusing to me that the server load balancing does not have some kind of proximity system that has the obvious hmmz0r 2 groups that have a sh*tload of people in them are about to converge. better prepare.
[sarcasm] The clearly indicated solution is to re-route the jita node to help the other nodes [/sarcasm]
ok I would laugh at the posts the forum would get if this happened --------------------------------------- My Usual Feedback: Pro BoB post = omg you suck up stfu. Anti BoB Post = omg add more tinfoil.
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Enarc Dobachi
Gallente Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:48:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it blindly amusing that contrary to all the smacktalk from coalition forces about LV and BoB being crap, by their own admission they need a thousand pilots to break your 200 pilot defense.
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest moral victory in Eve.
Get this guy to lead your fleets!
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:48:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: fightnkill if u guys outnumber em by 6x, why don't u split up into like 3 forces?
2 Forces attack their other outposts
While 1 of them keeps trying to take over J1V1
Because node crashes work in their favour.
A straight out fight on jumpin with the lag of say.. a normal 100v100, I guarantee we would have dominated them.
I thought it was a Titan in that Construction array not Whinge. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:49:00 -
[176]
Originally by: bluebandit just adding to the useless rabble rabble, i feel important now yayyyy!!! now move on to the next useless post :\
rabble rabble
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Jean Moulin
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:49:00 -
[177]
LV : For how many time the system is down ? CCP : 5 hours LV : Great !!! enought for regeneration of shield
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crice
Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:49:00 -
[178]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets look at it this way, we knew lv had 200 people at the gate with tons of drones and bubbles. We knew we needed to bring enough cover to completely destroy it, allowing us in system so we can support a cap fleet and destroy the capitol yard with a titan.
It is not our fault that breaking into the system and completing our objectives requires forces like that. Similarly it is not your fault that it requires large defense forces to protect said capital array from said attack force.
I must say, I like your post. I respect a type of post like this. CA used to be full of Veteran Honorable people, maybe there is hope.
If you all really wanted a fight then you would come with numbers, instead we have this crap. yes sucks.
We really did consider bringing more people, but we want a fight. I play EvE to PvP.
crice
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:49:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Bellon so no doubt next month many will have moved on.
To another department within ISD !
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:51:00 -
[180]
Originally by: crice We really did consider bringing more people, but it's 3am in Iceland. And we already have everyone's relatives playing all our alts.
*Fixed
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:52:00 -
[181]
Originally by: capt robn0id2 Ok let me see if I have this right from the LV and co point of view.
1)The coalition is bad for bringing too many ships...the node can only support 600ish pilots. So therefor, for goons to play fair, they can only invade LV space when there are low enough number of LV pilots in system for it to be lag-free. So if JV1V has 300 or so LV pilots it is impossible for goons to atack that system with equal or greater numbers without cheating using lag? Or is the fair and noble thing to do jump in with 100 pilots so a nice lag-free game can be enjoyed?
2) Goon pilots are cheating by logging in after a node crash. You seem to claim that by daring to log back in after a node crash goons are making use of unfair tactics and avoiding ur bizillion large bubbles? If you knew this was the case, and knew lag was going to happen why deploy the stupid things?
3) Ur going to win this war?
If any of these three points which ive drawn out from amongst the whinging rabble thats been spouted fom LV is wrong plase fill me in. This is generally the gist im getting from ur post on this thread so far.
The only logical thing to do then, is for LV to draw lots, and have 30 random people in system, and for RAgoon, TCF, Curse etc to draw lots and take in 120.
Because if we assume LV are saying "It's stupid to bring so many numbers when the node can only handle 600", then aren't LV being just as bad by "booking" 300 of those for their own pilots?
This line of thinking will get nowhere. Obviously it's ridiculous to suggest people draw lots etc.
There is no answer to blobbing.
Galaxian Recruitment Info |

MGargantua
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:52:00 -
[182]
Edited by: MGargantua on 16/02/2007 05:48:41
Originally by: Nesa
And they had a fleet twice the size logged out in system, and 1000 more pilots who would keep coming till you ran out of ships, or ammo.
Deal with it. We've all had node crashes bork our gatecamps when defending systems.
BTW, if you're going to exaggerate, please try and make it believable... 400 person fleet @ optimal? ROFL.
there we go, someone said it, I was part of that fleet, we had 400 guys in system when LV didn't have more then 10 in local. then we logged in. that was the first node crash. the rest were because of the reinforcements coming in. there are more then many goons, and many many more Curse, TSF, and RA moving through the area to make sure the titan dies.
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aimez
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:52:00 -
[183]
This is a new game feature introduced by CCP to make fleet batles to last longer
have been going on for over 2 hours already and this batle still dousn't seem to be over soon
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:52:00 -
[184]
its to bad you can't crash the Ship array with the node or goons would be able to own eve
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Cpt Pugwash
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:53:00 -
[185]
Originally by: VBboy
Originally by: Swor Edited by: Swor on 16/02/2007 05:31:29 LV has 19 Large bubble and 6 med bubbles
Coalition has 1000-1200 total trying to jump into about 200-300 defenders with massive carrier support
Nodes are totally defeated
200- 300 defenders lol...Well as The second Wave was comming in i saw Local friendlies and double that. With our Fleet I'd have said we could have taken over 800 hostiles given the positioning we had.
This was gonna be an awesoeme fight...Shame bout the LAg and multiple Node crashes!
LV should Not lose the POS as we had the system Locked down and with over 500+ friendlies ready to use wave after way of ships from the station i doubt the hostiles woulf have survived the night!
Anyway..here's to Nodes and Lag fests!
VBboy
500+ friendlies? keep gooing you;re going to outnumber us soon 
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:53:00 -
[186]
I don't think the coalition want a fight, they want the total annihilation of all of CC.. ah BoB and LV's ingame assets. This isn't a 1 vs 1, this is a *everyone you guys ****ed off* vs *everyone who you've yet to **** off*. And the former is MUCH larger than the latter.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:54:00 -
[187]
Originally by: crice
Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets look at it this way, we knew lv had 200 people at the gate with tons of drones and bubbles. We knew we needed to bring enough cover to completely destroy it, allowing us in system so we can support a cap fleet and destroy the capitol yard with a titan.
It is not our fault that breaking into the system and completing our objectives requires forces like that. Similarly it is not your fault that it requires large defense forces to protect said capital array from said attack force.
I must say, I like your post. I respect a type of post like this. CA used to be full of Veteran Honorable people, maybe there is hope.
If you all really wanted a fight then you would come with numbers, instead we have this crap. yes sucks.
We really did consider bringing more people, but we want a fight. I play EvE to PvP.
crice
Welcome to a game of persistance and consequence for actions. There is a reason why you have xxxx amount of people knocking down your doorstep. Anyways, I do indeed hope we load into the system cause I wanna t-shirt. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Tazeko
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:54:00 -
[188]
I m in front of a black screen for now 1h30 !!!
Please CCP do something
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:54:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Bellon
Without a nodecrash exploit-swarm would have died on the gate. We had 200 fighters, 15 L bubbles and 400 person fleet at optimal.
With the nodecrash they have conveniently side stepped our fleet and can now take the fight where they want it, a terrible outcome for LV.
So with that size of defending force what should they have attacked with to make you happy?
They shouldn't have attacked. We were capable of defending against anything that could reasonably have jumped into the node. By jumping in anyway, you essentially said "to heck with it, let's crash it and see what advantage we can wring out of it" which is a textbook example of exploitation :)
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Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:55:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Nesa I don't think the coalition want a fight, they want the total annihilation of all of CC.. ah BoB and LV's ingame assets. This isn't a 1 vs 1, this is a *everyone you guys ****ed off* vs *everyone who you've yet to **** off*. And the former is MUCH larger than the latter.
Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to. Gj goons and goonies.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:55:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Originally by: anister
Originally by: Lorth First of all...
I don't care if LV have 68 bubbles on the gate, and 16 zillion drones...
You have 1000 people
you misread, 1,000 is the total for all parties.
Originally by: Fedaykinn Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 03:56:13 no its is 1000 :) bless thy node indeed
coalition 1000+ lv around 300
Try again.
Regardless, there will be no fight tonight, unless you guys keep trying untill everyone esle has gone to bed.
Kick half your gang and try tommorow.
Bring that many numbers to a fight, on each side is dumb.
Complaining about that lag... is dumb.
Trying again and again to fight... is dumb.
Nothing will happen spare your self, and go to bed, or have a beer, go to the bar and pick up a nussie, you'll thank me in the morning, unless it burns when you pee.
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VBboy
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:56:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Jean Moulin LV : For how many time the system is down ? CCP : 5 hours LV : Great !!! enought for regeneration of shield
I'd rather fight for 5 hours! We play the game for fun, but this was gonna be EPIC! Shame your intel is bad on what we have defending lol!
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:56:00 -
[193]
Originally by: crice
Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets look at it this way, we knew lv had 200 people at the gate with tons of drones and bubbles. We knew we needed to bring enough cover to completely destroy it, allowing us in system so we can support a cap fleet and destroy the capitol yard with a titan.
It is not our fault that breaking into the system and completing our objectives requires forces like that. Similarly it is not your fault that it requires large defense forces to protect said capital array from said attack force.
I must say, I like your post. I respect a type of post like this. CA used to be full of Veteran Honorable people, maybe there is hope.
If you all really wanted a fight then you would come with numbers, instead we have this crap. yes sucks.
We really did consider bringing more people, but we want a fight. I play EvE to PvP.
crice
I mean, i think we all want to enjoy this more than staring at the char select screen...just blows like hell. hopefull one day we can experience and enjoy eve in this large of an engagement. unfortunately for now, it looks like Eve will not grant us that grace. ohh well, blood is spilled not in space tonight, but in the living room wishing...
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:56:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Ansuru Starlancer
They shouldn't have attacked. We were capable of defending against anything that could reasonably have jumped into the node. By jumping in anyway, you essentially said "to heck with it, let's crash it and see what advantage we can wring out of it" which is a textbook example of exploitation :)
ROFL yes, lets crash the node so we don't have a chance to attack the pos and kill the titan...
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:58:00 -
[195]
damnit i am still loggin in and my lighter ran out of fuel.... also i just put some pasta on to boil...bet it cooks before jv1v wants to work

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Silent Sam
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:58:00 -
[196]
I am IN! 927 in local though ....
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:58:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Lorth
Kick half your gang and try tommorow.
Would you have done that vs IAC ? No... so why even say it here?
Quote:
Bring that many numbers to a fight, on each side is dumb.
Just shows hour EPIC this fight is. Its got to be history making... in one way or another 
One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Bellon
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 05:59:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Bellon on 16/02/2007 05:55:28
Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Ansuru Starlancer
They shouldn't have attacked. We were capable of defending against anything that could reasonably have jumped into the node. By jumping in anyway, you essentially said "to heck with it, let's crash it and see what advantage we can wring out of it" which is a textbook example of exploitation :)
ROFL yes, lets crash the node so we don't have a chance to attack the pos and kill the titan...
And we cant recharge the POS. Eventually itll work and then youll try and kill it.
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Umiji
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:00:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Larshus Magrus CCP: Seriously, grow up. You build this game literally for this epic fight thats taking place... and its absolutely no fun playing this at this point.
Have to agree. While this particular gangbang is exceptionally large, the client/server/whatever is equally unable to cope with engagement levels that were quite foreseeable (300 to 400 players).
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Sun Sliver
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:01:00 -
[200]
...sigh...I have a feeling one thing we all agree on is node crashes suck. disregarding the flame baits in this thread, both sides wanted a straight up fight more than anything. Whatever ends up happening CCP will get blamed and it is unfortunately squarely placed there 
CCP - you want stress tests, well you got a monster one 
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Klaaswitz
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:02:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Who do you believe is going to buy that bull****tery?
The elite seem to have ****ed off too much people this time and now they're going to pay for it. It's like you are saying 'oh see that brave dictator, they need masses of people to kill his elite guard in front of his wonderfully defended fortress haha it's good they're with so many because hur you know we would've kicked their arses one vs one against these poor beggars!'
Get real, swallow the consequences like a man would. They're coming for you, it was inevitable.
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:02:00 -
[202]
as long as the dread cyno pilot can get the dreads in to pop that pos 
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Enarc Dobachi
Gallente Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:02:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Sun Sliver ...sigh...I have a feeling one thing we all agree on is node crashes suck. disregarding the flame baits in this thread, both sides wanted a straight up fight more than anything. Whatever ends up happening CCP will get blamed and it is unfortunately squarely placed there 
CCP - you want stress tests, well you got a monster one 
Respect. We all want a fight and we are all stuck at the same screen.
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Ska La
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:03:00 -
[204]
You would have thought that CCP would have been prepared for this. it's not like we haven't announced we were going there in force. What did they think would happen?
What is Goon? I want to know what Goon is...I want Goon to show me. |

Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:04:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Perpello Probably 400+ total LV + allies, 500+ total in the attacking fleet with reports suggesting even more bandwagoneers on their way. NB. Do make certain all you bandwagoneers have standings set to each other, we keep hearing reports of you shooting each other; actually, it's quite amusing, so keep it up!
/emote returns to login fest in JV1V
Interpretation for all the adults here:
"Mommy! Billy won't give me my teddie back! Tell him to give me my teddy back like I tolds him to! It isn't fair mommy! Mommy!!"
People like you are the reason I joined up with "The 'Train" in the first place. So seriously, do yourself a favor and grow a pair instead of crying like a little girl. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:04:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Sun Sliver ...sigh...I have a feeling one thing we all agree on is node crashes suck. disregarding the flame baits in this thread, both sides wanted a straight up fight more than anything. Whatever ends up happening CCP will get blamed and it is unfortunately squarely placed there 
CCP - you want stress tests, well you got a monster one 
Couldnt have put it better myself :)
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omni eye
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:05:00 -
[207]
This is very bad. Hundreds of people can't log in!
I'm talking hundreds of people... people! 
Yes, this could have been a major battle! A huge battle... but it's lag fest instead. Let's see what CCP does about this. Keep this thread smack free meanwhile. I've been sitting on my log-in screen for over an hour, and my alt can log in 8 jumps away easily.
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:05:00 -
[208]
Edited by: STLEM2 on 16/02/2007 06:01:21
Originally by: Ansuru Starlancer
They shouldn't have attacked. We were capable of defending against anything that could reasonably have jumped into the node. By jumping in anyway, you essentially said "to heck with it, let's crash it and see what advantage we can wring out of it" which is a textbook example of exploitation :)
They shouldn't have defended it. We were capable of destroying anything they could reasonably defend with. By putting that large of a force in defence, you essentially said "ha, die, or crash the node, either way we will win" - SPLOIT!!!!!!!
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:06:00 -
[209]
At this point it's down to a waiting game. Which side will give up and go to bed first?
----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense |

Iroshige
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:07:00 -
[210]
i pay to stay 1h30 in front of a logging character screen..............
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:08:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Bellon And we cant recharge the POS. Eventually itll work and then youll try and kill it.
Typically when nodes crash there's a chance the POS will be 'magically' recharged. Also, over time it recharges anyway, whether the server is up or not. Also, we're moving further and further away from Goons peak strength time towards a reasonable hour for most LV pilots. So....
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B0rn2KiLL
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:08:00 -
[212]
Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 16/02/2007 06:06:02
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Larshus Magrus Quite frankly I've had it with CCP.
How am I and the rest of my alliance supposed to defend our system when the enemy can literally mass, jump in, take the node down, then I set and the Character selection screen for, oh 17 MINUTES now trying to get back in.
Originally by: Lotka Volterra Forums at least lets crash the node!!
and yes, altough i was negative, well, more dissapointed about crapy stront management in KEY POS in KEY SYSTEM, and i am from EU timezone, i already informed my GF that this night is EVE night.
It will be 5am in the morning and i have to go to work at 8.00 am in the morning, BUT i will be there, with everything i can bring on the battlefield!
Can we please get supplies of dominixes and appropriate anti cap modules to some location near, so we can pwn them to deepest hell!
Clean up your own alliance before you tell us how to run ours.
pwnt.
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new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11 
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Silmerias
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:09:00 -
[213]
Please CCP get us the jita node for this fight ;-)
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:09:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Raivi At this point it's down to a waiting game. Which side will give up and go to bed first?
We messed the stront, quick, keep the server down for 5 hours to make up !
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Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:10:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Ansuru Starlancer
They shouldn't have attacked. We were capable of defending against anything that could reasonably have jumped into the node. By jumping in anyway, you essentially said "to heck with it, let's crash it and see what advantage we can wring out of it" which is a textbook example of exploitation :)
ROFL yes, lets crash the node so we don't have a chance to attack the pos and kill the titan...
Well, look what happened. Pleading ignorance won't help you here. Foot, meet mouth.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:10:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Lorth
Kick half your gang and try tommorow.
Would you have done that vs IAC ? No... so why even say it here?
We didn't have 1000 people in gang. Actually we didn't have anywhere close to that number, so the situations arn't comparable at all.
But to answer your question. I can honestly say that if I were involved in either side of the fight right now, the guy typing this would be on his way to the bar, or generally away from the computer for the night.
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:11:00 -
[217]
I have the feeling most of the excitement is taking place at CCP right now. I can just picture the tech people right now, standing in their windows, threatening to jump.
Won't somebody please think of the server techies? -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |

Zeoliter
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:12:00 -
[218]
Jesus, what infants. I apologise on behalf of LV for defending a home system.
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Marcusi
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:13:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Huh? We all just wanted to try and kill a baby titan.
Honestly, that's all it is. We knew they would defend it like crazy and we all wanted to try and kill it.
I'm picturing the server admins tearing their hair out saying "1000 players?!? ARE THEY STUPID?!?"
Yes, yes we are.  ___________________________
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Cat Casidy
CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:13:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Klaaswitz
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Who do you believe is going to buy that bull****tery?
The elite seem to have ****ed off too much people this time and now they're going to pay for it. It's like you are saying 'oh see that brave dictator, they need masses of people to kill his elite guard in front of his wonderfully defended fortress haha it's good they're with so many because hur you know we would've kicked their arses one vs one against these poor beggars!'
Get real, swallow the consequences like a man would. They're coming for you, it was inevitable.
Post with your main or stop rabble rousing
On another note, too bad guys, i realy was looking foreward to some good ol shoot em up as im shure most everyone staring at the black screen was. |

Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:14:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Klaaswitz
Originally by: Righteous Fury Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Who do you believe is going to buy that bull****tery?
The elite seem to have ****ed off too much people this time and now they're going to pay for it. It's like you are saying 'oh see that brave dictator, they need masses of people to kill his elite guard in front of his wonderfully defended fortress haha it's good they're with so many because hur you know we would've kicked their arses one vs one against these poor beggars!'
Get real, swallow the consequences like a man would. They're coming for you, it was inevitable.
Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:14:00 -
[222]
How about half the coalition log off and the other half enter the system so LV can be happy.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:17:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
Except it was 450 defenders with 20 bubbles and 1 titan. We brought ~800, if the fight had been completely lagless it probably would have been interesting. If LV had only had 200 their titan would be blown now.
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Sir Kad
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:17:00 -
[224]
Been trying to login for 2 hours :/
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:17:00 -
[225]
"There is no lag"  "We are unable to reimburse your ship loss"  "New and improved servers" 
Blah blah and blah. Honestly I think CCP owes all of us a little apology for this mess. Cheers for 2 hours of fabulous black screen action...at least I managed to finish a good book 
See you on the field of glory should the hamsters get fed  "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:18:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Marcusi
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Huh? We all just wanted to try and kill a baby titan.
Honestly, that's all it is. We knew they would defend it like crazy and we all wanted to try and kill it.
I'm picturing the server admins tearing their hair out saying "1000 players?!? ARE THEY STUPID?!?"
Yes, yes we are. 
I wasn't implying anything else. You hate LV and BoB enough to muster quite possibly the biggest fleet has ever seen, congrats. I'm not going to bother with ethics of telling you to look for a fight or not, if you want to get something done 1000 people can do it.
Tactically is it the right decision? Not really. I'm not going to bother discussing that here, if you're really interested in my opinions I'll be logged in for another fifteen or thirty minutes and you can convo me.
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Cpt Pugwash
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:19:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Klaaswitz
Originally by: Righteous Fury Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Who do you believe is going to buy that bull****tery?
The elite seem to have ****ed off too much people this time and now they're going to pay for it. It's like you are saying 'oh see that brave dictator, they need masses of people to kill his elite guard in front of his wonderfully defended fortress haha it's good they're with so many because hur you know we would've kicked their arses one vs one against these poor beggars!'
Get real, swallow the consequences like a man would. They're coming for you, it was inevitable.
Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
Don't talk so wet, we have the numbers we are going to use them same as you would, same as Bob did in EC-P8R.
You are a Bob fanboi and now an LV fanboi, must be pretty scary realising you are no longer on the ezteam.
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:20:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Tacitus Krekt on 16/02/2007 06:18:17 Edited by: Tacitus Krekt on 16/02/2007 06:17:57
Originally by: Valar I've been trying to get JV1V-O unstuck but no matter what I do it gets too loaded in minutes or seconds after its remapped. It's now running on a server identical to Jita after I forced it to load on it when I killed the node it was on before. Manually killing the node atm is pointless as it will just get stuck again(I've tried 6 times). Sorry I can't help more.
^^ DEV POST in general chat. Guess the optimization doesn't even work.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477023&page=1#15
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:22:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Righteous Fury Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
If you believe LV, they had 400 snipers @ optimal and 200 fighters. TBH if you're jumping into a camp and getting all the associated lag, you really should outnumber the enemy no matter WHO they are. If they have 2 titans (+1/2) that have been sitting in the system for the last week or so, all the better.
I don't know if you can be proud that 'the coalition of people that don't like you' can summon 1000+ people at short notice. I mean, you know, unless that's your goal, to be hated. Pretty sure that was somewhere on BoB's goal list, didn't know about LVs.
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:23:00 -
[230]
Originally by: VBboy
Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it blindly amusing that contrary to all the smacktalk from coalition forces about LV and BoB being crap, by their own admission they need a thousand pilots to break your 200 pilot defense.
Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest moral victory in Eve.
The only thing that saved them from our guns was the Node...In all my time in eve i have never seen anything this Epic and inspiring! Currently on an all-nighter as this to me is EVE WORLD WAR 1, Lol!
VBboy
Yes, this was a most memorable evening, even though I haven't seen much aside from black screen.
Even during the first wave (which we ANNIHILATED and only lost 3 ships...frigates all, I believe - so *that* for those who think we couldn't have beaten them without the node crashes) even during that first wave, I only saw maybe 10 hostiles for all the lag.
Targetted a few and sicced fighters...no credit for me, but the carrier pilot should be appreciative in the morning.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:23:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Don't talk so wet, we have the numbers we are going to use them same as you would, same as Bob did in EC-P8R.
You are a Bob fanboi and now an LV fanboi, must be pretty scary realising you are no longer on the ezteam.
Call me what you want Stabwash, but you're the one who is sitting around lagged out in a fleet because you know full well the server cluster cant handle that many people. Sure, you want to use your numbers, go nuts. Stop whining that you can't login then.
Call me a fanboi all you want, you're still missing the point and only making a fool of yourself.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:23:00 -
[232]
I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Master Norb
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:25:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Lorth Regardless, there will be no fight tonight, unless you guys keep trying untill everyone esle has gone to bed.
Kick half your gang and try tommorow.
Bring that many numbers to a fight, on each side is dumb.
Complaining about that lag... is dumb.
Trying again and again to fight... is dumb.
Nothing will happen spare your self, and go to bed, or have a beer, go to the bar and pick up a nussie, you'll thank me in the morning, unless it burns when you pee.
That is terrible reasoning. You are an ass to insist that we give up tonight, when we have the opportunity to destroy a 70 BILLION plus ISK asset when LV is at their weakest. If we put the POS into reiforced again tomorrow, they will probably not screw up and have 800 people in system during their prime. This solves things how?
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Evenfall Phoenix
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:27:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Klaaswitz
Originally by: Righteous Fury Congrats LV and BoB, you've won the biggest morale victory in Eve.
Who do you believe is going to buy that bull****tery?
The elite seem to have ****ed off too much people this time and now they're going to pay for it. It's like you are saying 'oh see that brave dictator, they need masses of people to kill his elite guard in front of his wonderfully defended fortress haha it's good they're with so many because hur you know we would've kicked their arses one vs one against these poor beggars!'
Get real, swallow the consequences like a man would. They're coming for you, it was inevitable.
Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Stop and think for a moment. It's peak time for ragoon and co. They want to fight. Oh look, LV in all their wisdom screwed up the stront on their titan producing pos. Since ragoon and co. have great communication word spreads that there is going to be a fight for the pos. What would you do as a pilot then? You would definantly want in on this. Hell I know I would, and do. I realize propoganda is important, but you fail utterly at understanding human nature. Please go back to school and take some psyche courses.
Don't blame ragoon and co. for recruiting people that want to fight and be part of a major accomplishment, I garuntee that if you were a member of goonswarm you would want in too. Don't blame ragoon and co. that LV decided to be stupid and screw up their stront. Blame LV and blame yourself for being so ignorant.
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verrus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:27:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
WOW complete and utter BS if i ever saw it.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
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Agent Kenshin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:28:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Master Norb
Originally by: Lorth Regardless, there will be no fight tonight, unless you guys keep trying untill everyone esle has gone to bed.
Kick half your gang and try tommorow.
Bring that many numbers to a fight, on each side is dumb.
Complaining about that lag... is dumb.
Trying again and again to fight... is dumb.
Nothing will happen spare your self, and go to bed, or have a beer, go to the bar and pick up a nussie, you'll thank me in the morning, unless it burns when you pee.
That is terrible reasoning. You are an ass to insist that we give up tonight, when we have the opportunity to destroy a 70 BILLION plus ISK asset when LV is at their weakest. If we put the POS into reiforced again tomorrow, they will probably not screw up and have 800 people in system during their prime. This solves things how?
The same way bringing 1000 people when not even Jita will handle that many people. Knowing full well they had at least 200 on their side. Did you guys actually expect the servers/nodes to hold when you decided to jump that many people in?? -----
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:29:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Righteous Fury on 16/02/2007 06:26:48 Edited by: Righteous Fury on 16/02/2007 06:26:05
Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix
Quote: Obviously my post went far over your head. My point was, the coalition apparently requires 1000 people to take on 200. If that doesn't make you take pride as a member of LV or BoB in what you've accomplished in Eve, regardless of the fight's outcome, then I don't know what would.
That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Stop and think for a moment. It's peak time for ragoon and co. They want to fight. Oh look, LV in all their wisdom screwed up the stront on their titan producing pos. Since ragoon and co. have great communication word spreads that there is going to be a fight for the pos. What would you do as a pilot then? You would definantly want in on this. Hell I know I would, and do. I realize propoganda is important, but you fail utterly at understanding human nature. Please go back to school and take some psyche courses.
Don't blame ragoon and co. for recruiting people that want to fight and be part of a major accomplishment, I garuntee that if you were a member of goonswarm you would want in too. Don't blame ragoon and co. that LV decided to be stupid and screw up their stront. Blame LV and blame yourself for being so ignorant.
Isn't that exactly what I just said? They've assembled 1000 because people hate BoB and LV so much they just want them dead. Following that, I said that LV and BoB should be proud people hate them that much, its quite an achievement.
I said nothing of the flawed tactical reasoning behind this, besides that I think its flawed.
What exactly are you complaining about then?
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:30:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
you're so bright my friend. Maybe you didnt hear the FC swearing on the guy actually saying to log in alts? Ohh so smart --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |

Ska La
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:32:00 -
[239]
Ultimately, this is a failure of CCP, not the players. I have crashed 7 times tonight, with 4 of those waiting to load into JV1V. It's ridiculous. How could they not know this was happening? Everyone has been talking about it. Screenshots were posted online days ago. This is just ridiculous. How is there ANYWHERE else in your sandbox that has as much going on? What is Goon? I want to know what Goon is...I want Goon to show me. |

Bellon
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:33:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:33:00 -
[241]
Edited by: PDoggy on 16/02/2007 06:30:07
Originally by: bulabuba LV, and eventually BoB, are going to learn what we learned fighting these guys. You can't win. They will slowly filter into the system crash by crash and keep coming until they're able to take you down.
I think LV, to a certain extent, know this already. I don't think BoB has experienced it yet, and from the sounds of things they pulled out of this fight before they did. Unless something changes with the mechanics of the game, a 1000 man fleet who is willing to keep coming, crashes and lag be damned, is an unstoppable "I win" button. Sad, but true.
Ok, sorry, "sad but true" does not apply. If you can organize SEVERAL. HUNDRED. PEOPLE. THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT IS LIKE A WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX OF PEOPLE. to come play some piddly, crashy little POS game to beat the other guy, and the other guy can't, that's his damn problem and his damn fault.
edit POS doesn't stand for player owned starbase - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:34:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Bellon You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
Angry much?
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Zigadenus
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:36:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Sun Sliver ...sigh...I have a feeling one thing we all agree on is node crashes suck. disregarding the flame baits in this thread, both sides wanted a straight up fight more than anything. Whatever ends up happening CCP will get blamed and it is unfortunately squarely placed there 
CCP - you want stress tests, well you got a monster one 
For real. We all just wanted a nice fight, regardless of the outcome. Pwned by CCP again.
________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage. |

Bellon
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:36:00 -
[244]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Bellon You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
Angry much?
Of course Im angry. Yet again exploitswarm manipulate the game mechanics in a way that should be an exploit in order to get an advantage.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:36:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 16/02/2007 06:33:21
Originally by: Bellon You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
You're lucky I'm honoring the code among people that share accounts. I should be recording frankly.
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:37:00 -
[246]
Originally by: PDoggy Edited by: PDoggy on 16/02/2007 06:30:07
Originally by: bulabuba LV, and eventually BoB, are going to learn what we learned fighting these guys. You can't win. They will slowly filter into the system crash by crash and keep coming until they're able to take you down.
I think LV, to a certain extent, know this already. I don't think BoB has experienced it yet, and from the sounds of things they pulled out of this fight before they did. Unless something changes with the mechanics of the game, a 1000 man fleet who is willing to keep coming, crashes and lag be damned, is an unstoppable "I win" button. Sad, but true.
Ok, sorry, "sad but true" does not apply. If you can organize SEVERAL. HUNDRED. PEOPLE. THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT IS LIKE A WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX OF PEOPLE. to come play some piddly, crashy little POS game to beat the other guy, and the other guy can't, that's his damn problem and his damn fault.
edit POS doesn't stand for player owned starbase
THAT IS LIKE, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE, THERE'S LIKE A MILLION OF THEM, THAT'S LIKE, HOLY CRAP, A THOUSAND PEOPLE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME, THAT'S RIDICULOUS, AMAZING, THAT IS LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE PLAYING THE GAME AT ONCE, THAT'S LIKE A WHOLE SUB-DIVISION.
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:40:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
No, you are lying. Why don't you record? If you were and presented it unedited, you would be proven wrong in every sense of the word wrong.
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:43:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
taken in context taken in mother****ing context suck on my huge goddamned **** you rimjobbing s***. you are the very embodiment of all that is f***ing stupid and wrong with these forums and MY **** IS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN YOUR ****. you and truly ****ty, ****ty posts like yours from all the other LV forum circlejerkers are what reduces me to a gibbering man-ape of internet rage. F***ING. SUCK ON MY D***. PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND OCCUPY YOUR HANDS WITH MY TESTES SO THAT MAYBE YOU CAN STOP TYPING S***TY A**ED POSTS FOR ALL OF TWENTY SECONDS. no, no, that's right, you won't even see this post, and if you do you'll just respond pretentiously and try to sound better and call me disgusting. in the words of my homeboy busta rhymes you are a b**** n***a - YOU SIR are a b**** n***a through a through. and it's little s***-talking b**** n***as like you that need to shut the F*** up, for goddamned once and SUCK on my f***ing ****. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY SUCKING DOWN **** THROUGH YOUR TEETH INSTEAD OF LYING THROUGH THEM FOR ONCE. GO PLAY F***ING COUNTERSTRIKE OK A**HOLE?
(ps mods i censored myself here to save you some trouble ok) - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:45:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
Out of context, and outright lies.
"Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself"
.... as opposed to what? Close the game and wait for the easter bunny to recharge the POS? The longer between (current time) and (pos out of reinforced), the more shield recharges. Regardless of whether or not we can log in. Statement of fact. Trust me, LV would much rather have carriers boosting the POS than wait for it to naturally recharge. For one, it would mean some people could get some sleep.
Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
... Sounds reasonable to me. Don't give up. We need to keep our numbers up, because the hostiles continue to trickle into the system. Seriously, the other option is to go to sleep for the night, and let the hostiles have free reign of the system.
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Simply not true. Someone did suggest that, since jv1v crashed and the next-door system didn't, that we should try to crash that system, too. The FC cut the guy off and said immediately, "We're not doing what they're doing, we're not stooping to their tactics."
There's been ZERO, NO mention of "spamming the node". At some point, someone suggested if you don't log in after 5 minutes of staring at the character selection screen, close your client and try again. And later, someone else suggested that you not do that.
Basically, all that's happening on LV Teamspeak is this: Everyone is trying to log in and join the fight. By any means necessary, people want to get in and help. There's no drama, no secret plots, no conspiracies. All we are doing is constantly throwing around ideas to try and get back in, beacuse people want to fight.
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Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:46:00 -
[250]
Originally by: PDoggy
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
taken in context taken in mother****ing context suck on my huge goddamned **** you rimjobbing s***. you are the very embodiment of all that is f***ing stupid and wrong with these forums and MY **** IS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN YOUR ****. you and truly ****ty, ****ty posts like yours from all the other LV forum circlejerkers are what reduces me to a gibbering man-ape of internet rage. F***ING. SUCK ON MY D***. PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND OCCUPY YOUR HANDS WITH MY TESTES SO THAT MAYBE YOU CAN STOP TYPING S***TY A**ED POSTS FOR ALL OF TWENTY SECONDS. no, no, that's right, you won't even see this post, and if you do you'll just respond pretentiously and try to sound better and call me disgusting. in the words of my homeboy busta rhymes you are a b**** n***a - YOU SIR are a b**** n***a through a through. and it's little s***-talking b**** n***as like you that need to shut the F*** up, for goddamned once and SUCK on my f***ing ****. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY SUCKING DOWN **** THROUGH YOUR TEETH INSTEAD OF LYING THROUGH THEM FOR ONCE. GO PLAY F***ING COUNTERSTRIKE OK A**HOLE?
(ps mods i censored myself here to save you some trouble ok)
OH NOS I LOST TEH ARGUMENTZ!!!1!!!!elleven
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ErbUs
Minmatar Freedom Guard Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:46:00 -
[251]
maybe theres a statement being made here...
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Peanut Swsh
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:47:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
The same way bringing 1000 people when not even Jita will handle that many people. Knowing full well they had at least 200 on their side. Did you guys actually expect the servers/nodes to hold when you decided to jump that many people in??
wait you have a better idea? would love to hear it.
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cflux
Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:47:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
What a bunch of bull****. Our 220 peeps in the channel are bit too many people for that **** to fly. --
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SpaceSlag
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:47:00 -
[254]
Ok, so you've proved that you can field about 1000 people on one node. Good for you. It is something to be proud of to build something better then a Titan.
- A Laginator
Here's to Goon's for giving me a reason to drink all night! Cheers.
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Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:48:00 -
[255]
Originally by: ErbUs maybe theres a statement being made here...
You're right, I'd like to take this time to come out of the closet. Statement made.
------- I smoke pot, because I'm cool. |

Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:48:00 -
[256]
Originally by: PDoggy
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
taken in context taken in mother****ing context suck on my huge goddamned **** you rimjobbing s***. you are the very embodiment of all that is f***ing stupid and wrong with these forums and MY **** IS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN YOUR ****. you and truly ****ty, ****ty posts like yours from all the other LV forum circlejerkers are what reduces me to a gibbering man-ape of internet rage. F***ING. SUCK ON MY D***. PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND OCCUPY YOUR HANDS WITH MY TESTES SO THAT MAYBE YOU CAN STOP TYPING S***TY A**ED POSTS FOR ALL OF TWENTY SECONDS. no, no, that's right, you won't even see this post, and if you do you'll just respond pretentiously and try to sound better and call me disgusting. in the words of my homeboy busta rhymes you are a b**** n***a - YOU SIR are a b**** n***a through a through. and it's little s***-talking b**** n***as like you that need to shut the F*** up, for goddamned once and SUCK on my f***ing ****. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY SUCKING DOWN **** THROUGH YOUR TEETH INSTEAD OF LYING THROUGH THEM FOR ONCE. GO PLAY F***ING COUNTERSTRIKE OK A**HOLE?
(ps mods i censored myself here to save you some trouble ok)
how cute, when you become 15 again? then I can send you a birthday cake :) --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |

PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:50:00 -
[257]
Edited by: PDoggy on 16/02/2007 06:47:24
Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
Originally by: PDoggy
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
taken in context taken in mother****ing context suck on my huge goddamned **** you rimjobbing s***. you are the very embodiment of all that is f***ing stupid and wrong with these forums and MY **** IS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN YOUR ****. you and truly ****ty, ****ty posts like yours from all the other LV forum circlejerkers are what reduces me to a gibbering man-ape of internet rage. F***ING. SUCK ON MY D***. PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND OCCUPY YOUR HANDS WITH MY TESTES SO THAT MAYBE YOU CAN STOP TYPING S***TY A**ED POSTS FOR ALL OF TWENTY SECONDS. no, no, that's right, you won't even see this post, and if you do you'll just respond pretentiously and try to sound better and call me disgusting. in the words of my homeboy busta rhymes you are a b**** n***a - YOU SIR are a b**** n***a through a through. and it's little s***-talking b**** n***as like you that need to shut the F*** up, for goddamned once and SUCK on my f***ing ****. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY SUCKING DOWN **** THROUGH YOUR TEETH INSTEAD OF LYING THROUGH THEM FOR ONCE. GO PLAY F***ING COUNTERSTRIKE OK A**HOLE?
(ps mods i censored myself here to save you some trouble ok)
OH NOS I LOST TEH ARGUMENTZ!!!1!!!!elleven
HA! HA! A COMBINATION OF A CATCHPHRASE AND UNFUNNY, FORCED SARCASM! IT'S BRILLIANT THEY'LL NEVER THINK OF A COMEBACK, THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF "grow up n00b lol"! QUICK, SEND THIS TACTIC OUT ON ALLIANCE MAIL!
edit mods would you get around to tempbanning me from the forums please so I don't keep posting this cant be good for my nerves - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:50:00 -
[258]
Originally by: PDoggy
Originally by: Bellon
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
taken in context taken in mother****ing context suck on my huge goddamned **** you rimjobbing s***. you are the very embodiment of all that is f***ing stupid and wrong with these forums and MY **** IS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN YOUR ****. you and truly ****ty, ****ty posts like yours from all the other LV forum circlejerkers are what reduces me to a gibbering man-ape of internet rage. F***ING. SUCK ON MY D***. PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND OCCUPY YOUR HANDS WITH MY TESTES SO THAT MAYBE YOU CAN STOP TYPING S***TY A**ED POSTS FOR ALL OF TWENTY SECONDS. no, no, that's right, you won't even see this post, and if you do you'll just respond pretentiously and try to sound better and call me disgusting. in the words of my homeboy busta rhymes you are a b**** n***a - YOU SIR are a b**** n***a through a through. and it's little s***-talking b**** n***as like you that need to shut the F*** up, for goddamned once and SUCK on my f***ing ****. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY SUCKING DOWN **** THROUGH YOUR TEETH INSTEAD OF LYING THROUGH THEM FOR ONCE. GO PLAY F***ING COUNTERSTRIKE OK A**HOLE?
(ps mods i censored myself here to save you some trouble ok)
Go spam GBS with some E/N threads you bloody idiot.
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:53:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Peanut Swsh Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 16/02/2007 06:45:16
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
The same way bringing 1000 people when not even Jita will handle that many people. Knowing full well they had at least 200 on their side. Did you guys actually expect the servers/nodes to hold when you decided to jump that many people in??
wait you have a better idea? would love to hear it.
cause like, we only knocked their pos into reinforced cause we thought it would look cute.
You should have taken and held the system before we could set up a defensive blockade, then, not wait until you could do this node-jiggling ping-pong cluster**** stuff. When I-N was taken, it was camped for nearly a week straight. THAT was a capture worthy of respect. This is just a joke.
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Ronin Hybonashi
Caldari Spectral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:54:00 -
[260]
In the end if anyone has actually loaded and got to play with out 4 to 5 minutes of lag per command you are the lucky ones.
I know the nearest I came to being able to fight is seeing my ship controls but no ship or space. Then the node went down again.
As far as exploits or intentional node crashing I think it is just that ccp can not truely handle 1000 people in one system. It would of been one hell of a good fight though. To bad everyone has to flame and declare cheat anytime something goes wrong with the server. I for one only expected tons of lag not node reboots. ------------
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Christopher Scott
Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:54:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Bellon
Of course Im angry. Yet again exploitswarm manipulate the game mechanics in a way that should be an exploit in order to get an advantage.
This coming from the person who called us the "Cry Alliance" and played spin-doctor after a developer busted LV for exploiting P.O.S shields.
How does it feel to choke on your own words? Karma is a *****. 
Originally by: DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:55:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Fedaykinn Ok this pic is fine to post now as the node crashed after so its shows no relevance to whats happenin now. Just an idea how big the fleet is atm this was only half of the fleet the other half were alrdy in jv1v :S
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Changed picture to link - Ductoris
There were at least 460 friendlies in M-R when the node crsahed the first time. There were already supposedly 200 goons in JV1V and I think about 300 LV. We had 300 more, I think IAC, on the way a few systems back. I even heard later that another 300 were on the way. This would have been a battle for us all to remember had it gone down the way it was intended.
Now all we have is people shouting exploits, people who can't login, and people attacking undefended bubbles. This "battle" is going to end with hundreds of petitions from losses, all of which should be replaced. So who's doing the exploits? LV by appropriately defending their system? Our alliance and friends by attacking a system that requires a large number of pilots to succeed? All you people that are whining exploits need to pull your head outta your arse. CCP put POS's and Cap ships in a game where the servers aren't capable of handling the large scale fleets that they bring. CCP is the only one to blame here.
Too bad the servers aren't capable because this would have been a lot of fun. I don't care which side won or lost we would all cherish that battle for a long time. Cheers to all those who tried to participate today.
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AlphaMeridian
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:55:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Peanut Swsh Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 16/02/2007 06:45:16
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
The same way bringing 1000 people when not even Jita will handle that many people. Knowing full well they had at least 200 on their side. Did you guys actually expect the servers/nodes to hold when you decided to jump that many people in??
wait you have a better idea? would love to hear it.
cause like, we only knocked their pos into reinforced cause we thought it would look cute.
Indeed. This is the crucial issue, IMO. We can't NOT attack the system. Imagine if the situation were reversed. CA/GS/RA is about to complete another titan. Would you simply allow them to complete it if you have a shot at taking it out?
-Alpha
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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:56:00 -
[264]
Just remember kids, caps means you get heard. i cant belive someone would honestly send over 1000 ships into a system to take down a pos (even if it does have a titan in construction).
Im sure that ANY and ALL losses tonight will be replaced by CCP
Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:57:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Christopher Scott
Originally by: Bellon
Of course Im angry. Yet again exploitswarm manipulate the game mechanics in a way that should be an exploit in order to get an advantage.
This coming from the person who called us the "Cry Alliance" and played spin-doctor after a developer busted LV for exploiting P.O.S shields.
How does it feel to choke on your own words? Karma is a *****. 
Ohnoes we shot 1 ship inside pos shields cause the game was buggy...
Latest news: We shoot at anything showing up on overview. How can that be a exploit? --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |
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Oiri Yusko
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:57:00 -
[266]
May I remind everybody that in order to post in threads in Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions you must have your Corporation or alliance ticker showing, and not be in a NPC corp. Thank you.
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Agmar
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 06:57:00 -
[267]
Originally by: AlphaMeridianIndeed. This is the crucial issue, IMO. We can't NOT attack the system. Imagine if the situation were reversed. CA/GS/RA is about to complete another titan. Would you simply allow them to complete it if you have a shot at taking it out?
-Alpha[/quote
QFT. However, the game is absolutely unplayable. All we can do is sit back and dream of the battle that might have been.
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IamBen
Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:04:00 -
[268]
... cant log in. @#&*(#!
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:08:00 -
[269]
While I can understand the Coalitions desire to take overwhelming force and hit their target, and the general complaints that its all CCP's fault, I just have to say this, even though its been said.
You knew. You just knew that trying to jump and operate that many people in one system was not going to work. If the common grunts didnt, then any coalition FC did and damn well should have.
It seem like the plan was based on 'Ideal EvE' instead of 'Real EvE'. If you know it the node can't take it, then you ahve to find another way. And there IS another way, that doesn't require jumping 1000 into 400.
Sorry, but the fault has to lie with the folks that planned the assault. Its not like LV could have chosen to defend somewhere else and given the stakes, its hardly a jump in logic to guess how they'd defend.
If you assault plan calls for 1000 pilots jumping to the system, then its time to come up with a new plan. EvE CAN'T handle that, it never has and I don't think it ever will.
I guess it had to be tried once, just for sh*ts and giggles, but it might be time to think of a new plan. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
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Xenoxia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:09:00 -
[270]
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Sir Kad
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:09:00 -
[271]
Have been trying to login in for over 3 hours...thanks for the waste of time ccp...
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Tod Klemp
Gallente K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:10:00 -
[272]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Bellon You are so full of ****. Neither of those comments, taken in context, was anything to do with purposefully crashing the node. BOTH were about keeping our numbers as high as possible so when the node DOES fix itself, we can still compete.
You disgust me
Angry much?
Oh look, it's KIAEBAY. How does it feel to play with a char you used your food stamps to buy?
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:11:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
wow.. self-admitted spies ftl. that just seems a bit underhanded.. actually a LOT underhanded.
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fLitSer
Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:11:00 -
[274]
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fLitSer
Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:12:00 -
[275]
What will ccp do about this? will thay give ships back? will thay give pos's back? what if thay do manage to kill the titan... surely with this many node crashes thay have littel choice?
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Tod Klemp
Gallente K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:15:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Christopher Scott
This coming from the person who called us the "Cry Alliance"
After listing to xirtam cry about bubbles being an expoit, I'd say the name is apt.
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:15:00 -
[277]
long live LV :)
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:23:00 -
[278]
PS. To the person who suggested holding the system for days. That was possible pre-titans. But with 2 titans in system, attempting to hold it is costly and pointless. We just come back when we can, with enough people to guarantee the job will be done.
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capt robn0id2
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:23:00 -
[279]
as no LV pilots answered my earlier more indepth post on this issue I will rephrase my question into simpler form in the hope of getting an answer.
LV has 300 in a system defending a pos. If the rapetrain comes to kick some, and has equal or more pilots in their gang (thus frying the node) this is some form of haxploit?
Are u suggesting they consider the health of the node above the health of their invading force.
"Guys LV has 350 in local...crashing the node is cheating so were gonna jump in 100 pilots every 15 mins. charge!"
Is this what is expected?
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Kiriz Zule
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:25:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris While I can understand the Coalitions desire to take overwhelming force and hit their target, and the general complaints that its all CCP's fault, I just have to say this, even though its been said.
You knew. You just knew that trying to jump and operate that many people in one system was not going to work. If the common grunts didnt, then any coalition FC did and damn well should have.
It seem like the plan was based on 'Ideal EvE' instead of 'Real EvE'. If you know it the node can't take it, then you ahve to find another way. And there IS another way, that doesn't require jumping 1000 into 400.
Sorry, but the fault has to lie with the folks that planned the assault. Its not like LV could have chosen to defend somewhere else and given the stakes, its hardly a jump in logic to guess how they'd defend.
If you assault plan calls for 1000 pilots jumping to the system, then its time to come up with a new plan. EvE CAN'T handle that, it never has and I don't think it ever will.
I guess it had to be tried once, just for sh*ts and giggles, but it might be time to think of a new plan.
Lots of numbers being thrown around here....
I do not know what was inside JV1V. I was in M-R. There was less than 400 in M-R when the first of the goons(about 200) jumped in and crashed the node. The rest of us in M-R(150-200) jumped in about 10-15 minutes later and likely caused the second node crash. After that who knows what happened as most of us stared at a black screen for the next hour.
So just to be clear. 1000 didn't jump into the system at once and crash the node. Based on estimates I heard about the sizes of the different fleets I'd say it was about 600ish vs 400ish.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:25:00 -
[281]
Peanut, no there is of course no other way to assault the system against a 400 person defensive gang.
I'm saying there is a different way to assault the system, from square 1.
Oh, and Dunghar, you ever get the feeling you are becoming what your alliance, at least, claims to hate?
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CarmaComa
Golden Fury Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:26:00 -
[282]
Not able to log in.
Want to have the fight, but not able to.
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Max Drones
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:26:00 -
[283]
Honstly if found that nodes are being crashed on purpose and ruining what could have been a joy for lots of players then CCP needs to START WAVING THE BIG STICK and take action now.
And the coalition if you know they have defenders, come in with some proper ships you know ships that fire back and not lag gens.
Seems to me all CCP needs to do is check ship types to pilot and make assumptions based on that, because as I see it its game over. Instead now of a legit gate camp L-V now have 1000 hostiles in system where they wouldent have been before how can that be right under normal circumstances anything bigger than 200 would have been nuked at the gate with the DD, how can that happen when ur looking at a black screen. AND IF PROVEN L-V have adopted similiar tactics same applies. |

Marcusi
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:26:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Sir Kad Have been trying to login in for over 3 hours...thanks for the waste of time ccp...
Same here. I had honestly hoped for a good fight. Instead I've been looking at "Character Selection. Entering Game as Marcusi" for hours.
But hey, you guys were building a frickin Titan! That's awesome! And we came with the biggest fleet Eve has seen. And we both get to rant about it to coworkers tomorrow.  ___________________________
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:27:00 -
[285]
Station is going down ....W00T... in armor now.. coalition FTW
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:27:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Vladimir Yuchenko Its as simple as this: We can't login.
Most of our guys can't either. Most of the ones that can can't use their modules. Remember that we had 3 times your numbers so of course more of our guys would be able to attack. Not that any of this is okay, but what are we supposed to do?
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AFY
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:29:00 -
[287]
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:29:00 -
[288]
Originally by: XirtamVotf Station is going down ....W00T... in armor now.. coalition FTW
I think you mean the POS... --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
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albert camus
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:29:00 -
[289]
makes me sad to see people geting any joy out of the game in its current state.
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Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:30:00 -
[290]
Originally by: XirtamVotf Station is going down ....W00T... in armor now.. coalition FTW
It must be hard shooting a POS that's not defended.
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:30:00 -
[291]
Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 16/02/2007 07:28:50
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
Aye. Since goonswarm has never logged off in a system with intention to all log in simultaneously to create lag. No never. for honest . (Edit: oh wait, someones going to tell me that isn't good english? no **** sherlock. Its a ****take. Deal with it).
Nevertheless, they have two options:
A. Login and keep trying. B. Lose a capship yard.
What else would you have them do? Sound advice for the frackfight you've brought onto this system.
Puzzles me that goonswarm suddenly portray themselves as a sweet 'hugs all around never do nothing wrong damn those ebil BoB & LV' alliance.
Stated Reason for bandwagon: BoB are hax and ebil. LV are arrogant, ebil, and smell funny!.
Real Reason: BoB have ****ed in your weeties (most of the people in the bandwagon, Tbh) repeatedly. None of you are singly a challenge to them. Convenient reasons to bandwagon against a powerful foe.
So perhaps beat them. Perhaps beat LV. But don't for a second believe you're better than either. The forces arrayed against both are unparalelled in EvE or any other MMO. Taking 5x the people doesn't make you better. It makes you scared.
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:31:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Aegis Osiris Peanut, no there is of course no other way to assault the system against a 400 person defensive gang.
I'm saying there is a different way to assault the system, from square 1.
Quote: PS. To the person who suggested holding the system for days. That was possible pre-titans. But with 2 titans in system, attempting to hold it is costly and pointless. We just come back when we can, with enough people to guarantee the job will be done.
Against 2 to 4 titans, I would have to agree with the SMASH guy. It's not really possible to set up the 23/7 gatecamp in an enemy station system where they have POSes (cyno chars at the ready) if they can jump in titans.
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Pieboy
Pastry Productions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:32:00 -
[293]
wow, what a fantastic way to ruin eve further, start bringing 150,000 man fleets to any fight because you little coalition of brainwashed "rapetrain" (which btw seems to only portray how disgusting and perverse these people are) idiots have absolutely zero skill of thier own.
Try for once maybe doing something for this game other than lagging it out, you people make me sick
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:32:00 -
[294]
titan down
fofo
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Korpiklaani
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:32:00 -
[295]
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Safrax2
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:33:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Safrax2 on 16/02/2007 07:30:35 This isn't where I parked my Titan BPO, oh wai
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:33:00 -
[297]
LV POS is down and Capital Array was blown up.
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Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:33:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 16/02/2007 07:28:50
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth I am sitting on their TS, and have been since the first node crash. They are intentionally trying crash the server. Here are some wonderful experts:
[*] *all* M. Delerium: Continue to sit at login screen guys - lets not let our numbers drop - as long as node is ******, pos will recharge itself
*all* UKC Kawasakii: Please keep trying to log in if the node cannot handle the numbers we have to make sure we keep the status quo
They have entertained logging on alts in other systems and trying to crash M-R so they could get more resources for JV1V.
These are their FCs telling them this, to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to spam the node.
Pretty sad LV. Entertaining, but sad none the less.
Aye. Since goonswarm has never logged off in a system with intention to all log in simultaneously to create lag. No never. for honest . (Edit: oh wait, someones going to tell me that isn't good english? no **** sherlock. Its a ****take. Deal with it).
Nevertheless, they have two options:
A. Login and keep trying. B. Lose a capship yard.
What else would you have them do? Sound advice for the frackfight you've brought onto this system.
Puzzles me that goonswarm suddenly portray themselves as a sweet 'hugs all around never do nothing wrong damn those ebil BoB & LV' alliance.
Stated Reason for bandwagon: BoB are hax and ebil. LV are arrogant, ebil, and smell funny!.
Real Reason: BoB have ****ed in your weeties (most of the people in the bandwagon, Tbh) repeatedly. None of you are singly a challenge to them. Convenient reasons to bandwagon against a powerful foe.
So perhaps beat them. Perhaps beat LV. But don't for a second believe you're better than either. The forces arrayed against both are unparalelled in EvE or any other MMO. Taking 5x the people doesn't make you better. It makes you scared.

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Helen
STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:34:00 -
[299]
proof or stfu!
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TARREX
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:34:00 -
[300]
POS Kaboom !!!
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:34:00 -
[301]
POS shipyard DOWN the drain...and W00t for the allies. Tick Tock Tick Tock
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OozoO
Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:34:00 -
[302]
I can already see every lv guy filing petition and crashing the node again 
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:35:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear? Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:35:00 -
[304]
Originally by: XirtamVotf POS shipyard DOWN the drain...and W00t for the allies. Tick Tock Tick Tock
Congratulations!!! 
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying."
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:36:00 -
[305]
next time guys, I would suggest using a bpc or put it into the station <3
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Pax Uranus
Pimpin Women Near You
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:36:00 -
[306]
Nice blueprint there. |

Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:37:00 -
[307]
damn and IM STILL trying to load up 
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:38:00 -
[308]
Originally by: KIATolon next time guys, I would suggest using a bpc or put it into the station <3
umm...look how long it takes to use a titan bpc...no one in the world will wait for that
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:38:00 -
[309]
in before "LOL u nabs we got titan reimbursed owned" - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

Dagrin RDM
Caldari The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:39:00 -
[310]
Edited by: Dagrin RDM on 16/02/2007 07:38:39 Not trying to be a smartass, but you know that this loss will be petitioned,,,any guesses how the GMs will react? (I'm not involved in this, so refuse to have an opinion)
edit : 'grats to the coalition edit : LV....that is a nasty loss, I take no joy in anyone suffering like that (unless I cause it )
what would have been an EPIC fight is going to be nothing but namecalling and petitions, and thats sad..hopefully fights will go smoother for both sides in the future
A winning strategy! Are we going for a NBSI post policy, now? Because I seriously though CCP were better than that. |

w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:39:00 -
[311]
One word...
"OUCH!"
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:40:00 -
[312]
Originally by: AFY *snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Oiri Yusko ([email protected])
On CA TS it was suggested by an FC to jump in 100 at a time to try to prevent the node from going down. We decided not to do that because we knew those 100 would drop in no time. We did want this battle. We just weren't allowed to have it how we wanted. We knew it would probably crash but we didn't have much choice. We can't let our enemies keep getting titans. Titans should be removed from the game to prevent this type of thing.
To the person who said that the titan would kill us all when we entered the system - it wasn't at the gate. The LV fleet did warp away from the gate shortly before the node crashed the first time and they may have been prepared to bring in the titan. But at this point who knows....
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:40:00 -
[313]
Personal threats about coming to my house and killing me on teamspeak guys, seriously.
Cudos to the leadership for correcting him.
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:40:00 -
[314]
LV also losing an Archon as we speak. Man. . .those guys ARE uber!! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:41:00 -
[315]
tbh guys I wouldnt really boast about this kill - okay you did it. But it would have been nice to actually be able to log in, and that is all I will say about that.
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:41:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Dagrin RDM Not trying to be a smartass, but you know that this loss will be petitioned,,,any guesses how the GMs will react? (I'm not involved in this, so refuse to have an opinion)
how can you reimburse a ship that wasn't even built yet - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |

Arx Sheep
Minmatar Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:41:00 -
[317]
The barbarian hordes always destroy civilisation in the end.
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:42:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Personal threats about coming to my house and killing me on teamspeak guys, seriously.
Cudos to the leadership for correcting him.
No one wants to kill you...no one ever said that  --------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:42:00 -
[319]
Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 16/02/2007 07:39:13 It was so laggy we were able to be sieged by 35 caps and a support fleet of over 100.
PETITION IT!
Edit: Whoever said on TS you had us outnumbered 2:1...you didn't see half the dreads. No point in sending them all in to die at once.
---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic |

Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:42:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Personal threats about coming to my house and killing me on teamspeak guys, seriously.
Cudos to the leadership for correcting him.
Once again this was 1 pilot who was then as I am sure you heard smacked about.
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TARREX
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:42:00 -
[321]
Originally by: KIATolon next time guys, I would suggest using a bpc or put it into the station <3
no next time put in anction in jita :)

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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:43:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear?
I love people mock as if their actions under the same circumstances would be one iota different. They damn well should. And get it. Anything less is bull****.
They were robbed of their ability to defend, and you had more people. Perhaps RAGS & Co would have won anyway? We'll never know. But LV deserve anything and EVERYthing back.
Enough said.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:44:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Liquid Vision LV also losing an Archon as we speak. Man. . .those guys ARE uber!!
You are remarkably well informed for a one man corp who humps a high sec agents leg 23/7
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:44:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Jake Noble tbh guys I wouldnt really boast about this kill - okay you did it. But it would have been nice to actually be able to log in, and that is all I will say about that.
I am logged in the system just fine. 30 second module delay, I've been engaging hostiles at planets for the past 30 minutes.
Good times. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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matty01
Killson Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:45:00 -
[325]
grats guys __________________________
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Southern Paladin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:45:00 -
[326]
We Are The SHADOO....resistance is futile

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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:46:00 -
[327]
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Liquid Vision LV also losing an Archon as we speak. Man. . .those guys ARE uber!!
You are remarkably well informed for a one man corp who humps a high sec agents leg 23/7
And you're remarkably an idiot everytime you open your mouth. Yes, NONE of us in EVE have friends in other alliances that we talk to. Yes, NONE of us log on to our friends TS and listen.
Seriously, I think you and DRED'Jesus get votes for the "Biggest Idiot on EVE-O" award. Congrats. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Acerios
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:46:00 -
[328]
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Randorial
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:47:00 -
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:49:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Acerios you know, ive been following this from the beginning, and all it seems to me is that rather than bob going around taking people apart, this coalition is doing it.
My question is, in the end do you really think you are going to accomplish anything. Imagine some time down the road if your coalition of merry little nitwits manages to 1200 man blob BoB out of thier space.....then what? you have just freed the majority of eve's best pvpers from having to defend and cultivate space. congratulations you have brought massive carnage to the rest of eve and in the end will incur their wrath when you reach your weakest points.
While this war is interesting and is of a scale that has yet to see precedent, in the end it's just bad for the game. 1000 people in a system attacking someone just doesn't have a place in eve, this game is meant to be played and not to be used as a staging for some misfits vendetta's against other people.
I hope in the future you take into consideration that what you are doing is ruining the game in every aspect possible, though im sure you won't.
Congratulations on your victory in jv1v and taking down a big chunk of isk from LV, im sure everyone is dead now and the end is near for anyone else that you state in one of your incredibly intelligible future posts 
Yes. . .people joining up and killing BOB and others is bad for the game. Obviously everyone should just let them do what they please because THAT would be best for EVE.
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Psan Vigilante
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:49:00 -
[331]
Edited by: Psan Vigilante on 16/02/2007 07:50:06 Crap night. Didn't get a chance to fight a damned thing.
I think I've seen as much of "Entering game as Psan Vigilante" in one night as I've seen the entire time I've played EVE.
Gotta admit that was a hell of a lot of people. Kudos for that.
Until next time.
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Acerios
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:51:00 -
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:52:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Acerios *snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Oiri Yusko ([email protected])
Hard for "The Train" to be a superpower since there are about 10 alliances in it. They have a common goal (kinda like the Allies did in WW2) and after that goal is done with they'll prolly break up and have fun shooting each other. No reason to cry about it. Lotsa pew-pew, lotsa fun, lotsa interesting times. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:52:00 -
[334]
Ace ole boy ... you have absolutely NO CLUE...
Tick Tock Tick Tock
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:54:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Bellon
Without a nodecrash exploit-swarm would have died on the gate. We had 200 fighters, 15 L bubbles and 400 person fleet at optimal.
With the nodecrash they have conveniently side stepped our fleet and can now take the fight where they want it, a terrible outcome for LV.
Ahh haa.
So your 200 fighters and 400 people fleet and numerous bubbles is of course no reason for the nodecrash, eh?
What do you expect??? That they jump in with 50 man gangs so that you can conviniently spank them?
You set up a huge fleet, they came with a huge fleet. I guess that can hardly be called exploiting or if so, then you are exploiting as much as them. Stop whining about cheating.
I don't know about other cases, but in this case blaming goons for cheating makes you looking quite silly.
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:56:00 -
[336]
Huge moral blow for LV... looks like you guys were right. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames) |

Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:56:00 -
[337]
Word is LV's BPO isn't blown up. Supposedly they just freaked out and couldn't find it and thought they lost it.
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kmac1
Hookers and Black Jack
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:57:00 -
[338]
As a player who sat in queue, looking at a player accept screen, for the duration of the fight!
Tough cookies!
You ate at the table, die by the table!
Oh,
Tic toc, tic toc
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FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:58:00 -
[339]
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 07:55:51 Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 07:55:17 BoB and LV, it is apparent that the majority of the eve community no longer have a use for you. Maybe sometime in the past your alliances contributed to the whole of eve.
This is no longer, with the latest scandals and corruption that we all heard about, the eve community has decided to police itself. Somewhere along the way you forgot that you were an eve fan and actively contributing like the rest of us and decided to 'win' eve at all costs. Your alliances are a cancer to eve and we are the chemo.
It is inevitable.
Breath smells from talking about you... tic tac, tic tac
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KardonHarman
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:58:00 -
[340]
What did you do in the great battle of JV dad?
Well sun I screamed at shouted at my login screen for a couple hours, then managed finally to fire some shots in anger..
Yes son, your daddy killed some ruthless bubbles oh and I think a glancing blow on a caracal (not quite sure whose side it was on tho because my overview was so messed up)
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Korpiklaani
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 07:59:00 -
[341]
I KNEW I should of called in sick to work today - Awesome job goons and allies .
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Sargonius
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:02:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Psan Vigilante Edited by: Psan Vigilante on 16/02/2007 07:50:06 Crap night. Didn't get a chance to fight a damned thing.
I think I've seen as much of "Entering game as Psan Vigilante" in one night as I've seen the entire time I've played EVE.
Gotta admit that was a hell of a lot of people. Kudos for that.
Until next time.
Now you know how was our last weekend losts view
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cutegurl
Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:03:00 -
[343]
Edited by: cutegurl on 16/02/2007 08:01:26 Oh man looks like LV just lost there Capital Pos hehe.
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Severn Bannow
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:04:00 -
[344]
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Therem Harth
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:04:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Pieboy wow, what a fantastic way to ruin eve further, start bringing 150,000 man fleets to any fight because you little coalition of brainwashed "rapetrain" (which btw seems to only portray how disgusting and perverse these people are) idiots have absolutely zero skill of thier own.
Try for once maybe doing something for this game other than lagging it out, you people make me sick
That was what some people were posting about the EC-P8R, where certain alliance and another certain alliance arrived "to get the job done". So they did. And now Goons+CA+RA+allies arrived to JV1V and got the job done. How about that? :) (it's a rhetorical question, don't bother to answer).
Short memories are for WoW.
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SevernBannow
Caldari TBC Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:08:00 -
[346]
The thing is.. no one honestly knew we were even going to be attacking in those large of numbers. It was basicaly "hey everyone, their titan pos comes out of reinforced pretty soon, you should come, it'll be fun". Then the funny and unusual thing is that EVERYONE actually did come. It was really cool to watch everything build up, slowly see everyone's fleets assemble and then have it dawn on you that this is the largest "battle" thats ever happened in EVE. I can only imagine what it would have been like to be in LV, and slowly have it dawn on you that theres upwards of a thousand enemies coming for you. On a weeknight of all things.
Its not like there was some grand master plan to crash the node. Nor did we plan on having LV have 20+bubbles on the gate, which actually worsened the lag by keeping everyone on the same grid. Otherwise we might have been able to slowly filter into the system, but oh well. It will be interesting to see what happens after this.
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Chronojam
Gallente Mom's Friendly Robots
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:13:00 -
[347]
In before next node crash. This is going to be epic, and the goons sure as hell aren't going to suddenly stop bringing in more ships no matter what LV does.
50 warp bubbles won't last long even if this becomes Velator Inconvenience Op Mk2; and we all know, today, the big guns come out.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:17:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear?
I love people mock as if their actions under the same circumstances would be one iota different. They damn well should. And get it. Anything less is bull****.
They were robbed of their ability to defend, and you had more people. Perhaps RAGS & Co would have won anyway? We'll never know. But LV deserve anything and EVERYthing back.
Enough said.
Hey, they could have kept trying to log back in like everyone else. From what we heard they decided they'd rather flood the petition system. :shrug:
They were the ones that let their POS come out of reinforced when it was tough for them to be on. Tough luck. If they do get their stuff back I hope CCP reimburses everyone who ever lost stuff to a node crash. I'm sure that's in the TRILLIONS of ISK...... Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:21:00 -
[349]
hmmm how did this happen??
hmmm??
lol at the exploit crap. they outnumber you. you die.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:22:00 -
[350]
Congratulations to Red Alliance, Goonswarm, Curse Alliance and the other victors in this battle.
A major victory after a week long siege and many attacks, it was the inevitable conclusion.
The war is far from over though and there will be other major battles, and their will be victories and defeats for both sides ahead.
It is unfortunate that local stellar phenomenon interfered with warp drive, jump drives and stargate operation such that neither side could bring to bear their full compliments.
I hope someone got some fraps of the event though.
Congrats to the victors.
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:23:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Hey, they could have kept trying to log back in like everyone else. From what we heard they decided they'd rather flood the petition system. :shrug:
They were the ones that let their POS come out of reinforced when it was tough for them to be on. Tough luck. If they do get their stuff back I hope CCP reimburses everyone who ever lost stuff to a node crash. I'm sure that's in the TRILLIONS of ISK......
How can it be in the trillions of isk? i thought the goons always say their fleets aren't worth anything, no matter how much they lose. So why would they petition in the first place? |

Arithon Draedus
NQX Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:25:00 -
[352]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 07:55:51 Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 07:55:17 BoB and LV, it is apparent that the majority of the eve community no longer have a use for you. Maybe sometime in the past your alliances contributed to the whole of eve.
This is no longer, with the latest scandals and corruption that we all heard about, the eve community has decided to police itself. Somewhere along the way you forgot that you were an eve fan and actively contributing like the rest of us and decided to 'win' eve at all costs. Your alliances are a cancer to eve and we are the chemo.
It is inevitable.
Breath smells from talking about you... tic tac, tic tac
Hell yeah!
Give that man a medal!
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Aceonfire
Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:28:00 -
[353]
Originally by: SevernBannow The thing is.. no one honestly knew we were even going to be attacking in those large of numbers
You do realize we had 450 friendlies in local before your gangs even started forming in 1v area right?
You didnt find it odd that we didnt DD you when your ENTIRE fleet was sitting on the gate for 10-15 mins?
Trying to chalk this victory up to anything other than a broken game is, well, just silly.
I would prefer losing the system to an actual battle against you, than winning the system because of a broken server.
Unfortunately neither happened and another blow was dished out to the true veterens of this game, who are sick of seeing / playing a game that is broken.
I'm just curious though. Was the "jump in just enough to crash the node, jump the rest in afterwords" tactic thought up before or after we wiped out your first wave of 100+ support, or were you guys planning it from even earlier in the day?
However, to the other 450 pilots that showed up tonight to defend this system along side us, we thank you greatly. It was also great seeing the true former V members with us again.
GD, hands off my merlin!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:29:00 -
[354]
Congrats RAGOON+Allies!
Aside from the accusations being thrown left and right, can anyone who was in the fight draw conclusions about the balance of power in such a fight and the role of the titan?
From my perspective (outsider, but been hit by doomsdays at least 4 or 5 times now), it should have been nigh impossible to break the defensive perimeter of such a system guarded by titans. How much did the nodecrashes help to break the siege?
And what does this mean for the balance of power in the LV vs RAGOON fight? RAGOON have now proven they can break even the heaviest of defenses with sheer numbers and determination. In terms of the war for the rest of LV space, what does this event say about the possibility of LV holding 'the line'?
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Rennard
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:34:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Aceonfire
Originally by: SevernBannow The thing is.. no one honestly knew we were even going to be attacking in those large of numbers
You do realize we had 450 friendlies in local before your gangs even started forming in 1v area right?
You didnt find it odd that we didnt DD you when your ENTIRE fleet was sitting on the gate for 10-15 mins?
Trying to chalk this victory up to anything other than a broken game is, well, just silly.
I would prefer losing the system to an actual battle against you, than winning the system because of a broken server.
Unfortunately neither happened and another blow was dished out to the true veterens of this game, who are sick of seeing / playing a game that is broken.
I'm just curious though. Was the "jump in just enough to crash the node, jump the rest in afterwords" tactic thought up before or after we wiped out your first wave of 100+ support, or were you guys planning it from even earlier in the day?
However, to the other 450 pilots that showed up tonight to defend this system along side us, we thank you greatly. It was also great seeing the true former V members with us again.
GD, hands off my merlin!
You weren't talking like this when ASCN was whining about same things. Now get some cheese and die!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:35:00 -
[356]
So the rumours are true that the LV shipyard is blown up?
That would suck. And I think with all the node crashes it is really worth a petition.
But what could be done? The dev in charge was up the whole night to reinforce the node, he moved the system to a Jita-like node and it didn't help, there was just too much to load all the time.
- Goons can't blame LV to defend their system and the shipyard with all what they have.
- LV can't blame that the attackers came in force and masses to destroy the shipyard with the titan.
However, what can you do if the node is down? No fight then, no chance at all to defend the system. There can always be speculations of how it would has been if this and that happened. Such reasoning is futile because we will never now.
Question is, how to deal with such masses of ships (on both sides)? And I don't think that this is the last huge accumulation of ships in this war.
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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:36:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 08:25:27
Originally by: Royaldo hmmm how did this happen??
hmmm??
lol at the exploit crap. they outnumber you. you die.
When it's bob they can accuse they have no problems with people shouting exploit. double standards ftl.
sorry what does that mean? pwym.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:37:00 -
[358]
GJ coilition! All I did was pew pew at an undefended large POS all night, in a caracal . Heard about it on TS. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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MaidMarion
FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:40:00 -
[359]
Originally by: VBboy
Originally by: Swor Edited by: Swor on 16/02/2007 05:31:29 LV has 19 Large bubble and 6 med bubbles
Coalition has 1000-1200 total trying to jump into about 200-300 defenders with massive carrier support
Nodes are totally defeated
200- 300 defenders lol...Well as The second Wave was comming in i saw Local friendlies and double that. With our Fleet I'd have said we could have taken over 800 hostiles given the positioning we had.
This was gonna be an awesoeme fight...Shame bout the LAg and multiple Node crashes!
LV should Not lose the POS as we had the system Locked down and with over 500+ friendlies ready to use wave after way of ships from the station i doubt the hostiles woulf have survived the night!
Anyway..here's to Nodes and Lag fests!
VBboy
LOL   
U wouldnt know an 800 man fleet if it jumped up and bit .. oh .. nvm .. Choo Choo
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:40:00 -
[360]
Edited by: Xeliya on 16/02/2007 08:40:27 Edited by: Xeliya on 16/02/2007 08:38:20 Edited by: Xeliya on 16/02/2007 08:37:10
Originally by: Malachon Draco From my perspective (outsider, but been hit by doomsdays at least 4 or 5 times now), it should have been nigh impossible to break the defensive perimeter of such a system guarded by titans. How much did the nodecrashes help to break the siege?
It won them the fight with no fight. They jumped 200 in on 150, we killed 90 lost 2. 2 hours later their main fleet (1000 strong) arrives jumps in crashes the node about 10 times but their 30+ dreads stay in system and don't crash. The whole night it was 500-700 RA/Goon with about 100 LV/Friends as everyone was stuck logging in.
The POS was up to 40-45% shields when the node went, 10 more min and they would need to reinforce it again and the fight on the gate would have taken an hour at least 1000vs400 with large bubbles keeping them from warping out till they were about 100km off the gate. ----------
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KardonHarman
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:41:00 -
[361]
Firstly, can I give credit to the LV pilots and their allies , Fielding 450 pilots outside of their usual busy timezone was an impressive feat. as was the fortifications erected to keep us out, I have no doubt that if the node hadnt crashed the numbers of deaths needed to bust through that barrier would have been immense.
I was in the with the CA fleet that jumped through a couple of minutes after the Goons, as we jumped the system crashed , It took me over 2 and a half hours to get back in. Not ideal and people were sounding very panicky about actaully being able to carry out the mission. As we now all know the cap Ship POS was destroyed along with the Titan that was being built. Credit has to be given to those who managed to log in and despite terrible lag took down the bubbles on the gate. Kudos too to the Capitol pilots who despite knowing how bad and unstable the system was still bought their ships in to seige the POS.
Not the ideal evening, I think all pilots would have prefered to have had this battle fought ship against ship, pilot against pilot. But the mission was completed,
and too all those Euro pilots on both sides who stayed up all night for this, and spent hours holding up eyelids while praying for the character screen to magicaly change to a view of the system for hours on end...
Your all as barking mad as I am    
Now for some ZZZZZZZ's
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cutegurl
Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:43:00 -
[362]
First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:46:00 -
[363]
Originally by: cutegurl First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:48:00 -
[364]
Originally by: cutegurl First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
It's a dead end system, by default it's a bottle neck. Also bubbles don't cause node deaths, 1000 man fleets do . . . ----------
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Apollyon X
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:50:00 -
[365]
Good guys always win.
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SPQRMocton
Minmatar Romulan Defense Negation Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:52:00 -
[366]
Well for the fan bois to sit here and whine about how it takes 1000 people to take you out maybe you need a clue as to how hated and despised you have become.
All I can say is good luck in your future endeavors cause it looks pretty grim for the fanbois
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |

dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 08:55:00 -
[367]
Originally by: SPQRMocton Well for the fan bois to sit here and whine about how it takes 1000 people to take you out maybe you need a clue as to how hated and despised you have become.
All I can say is good luck in your future endeavors cause it looks pretty grim for the fanbois
So this is what eve has become.. everyone has to be happy nappy and hugs and kisses all over? Why dont we just play WoW instead..
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Serilla
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:00:00 -
[368]
Edited by: Serilla on 16/02/2007 08:57:11
Originally by: dfgdfgerdv
Originally by: cutegurl First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
You guys act really stupid you know that, do you really think that 10-15 bubbles had ANYTHING at all to do with lag then you need your head examed.. If it wasnt for lag then you all would be sobbing that you lost all your dreads and thats a fact.
I'm sure that if there was no lag that 1000 person fleet would have just bowed down to your obvious superiority. __________________
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bluebandit
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:00:00 -
[369]
Edited by: bluebandit on 16/02/2007 09:02:50
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: cutegurl First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
lol @ blaming lv when you jump in 1000 people. That's just sad.
The question you might be asking is what takes for a group of 1000+ to decide to jump into possible DD suicide just because they are sick of all of the BOB/LV crap :|
It took me 3 hours to log back in when I jumped in and it was worth it, and I am sure it was the same for many pilots om both sides, so stay off the blame game....
I am sure if RAGOON, lost all there fleet to a DD at jump in, they would have said oh well, and jumped into replacement ships and jump right back in JV1V :\
Kudos to our allies for having the balls to field the majority of the dread fleet.
// These are my personal opinions and views, meaning I don't speak for my Corp/Alliance//
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DREDD
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:00:00 -
[370]
Just want to say GREAT job CA/GF/RA/SMASH & all allies that were present. Goal achieved!! BEERS on me!! AS for CCP.....looks like you have some work to do, games not up to specs just yet.
LV....Times a ticking :) but honestly......I can't imaging the loss you just took....all I can say is....OUCH!
To all our loving enemies, we'll be seeing you on the battle field. CA FTW!! Is that enough statement for you now??
I'll be keeping you in my crosshairs
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SPQRMocton
Minmatar Romulan Defense Negation Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:01:00 -
[371]
what planet are you from the fanbois brought about there own destruction don't know what your talkin with nappy nappy
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |

Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:05:00 -
[372]
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:06:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Xeliya
Originally by: cutegurl First off we killed there Capital array. we did not kill the system node. from reports in alliance, said that lv had tones of bubbles sitting on the m-r gate inside of jv1v causing a issue with the nodes, and causing a bottle neck on the grid with multi ships. this had made the node die
It's a dead end system, by default it's a bottle neck. Also bubbles don't cause node deaths, 1000 man fleets do . . .
No 1000 pilot fleet has ever jumped into any system at the same time. The node was brought down the first time shortly after the goons jumped into the system. That was like 200 pilots. 20-30 minutes later those of us who had managed to log back in tried to jump into JV1. We were maybe 200 at that time. Most of our coalition probably never even tried to jump into JV1. BTW, when CA left on this op we were at 90 ships anf had no clue the coalition would amount this type of fleet.
Why do people keep blaming each other here??!?!? Both sides did exactly what they should do.
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cutegurl
Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:06:00 -
[374]
linky not working
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Roberta Nazharu
Allied Forces Against BOB
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:06:00 -
[375]
As to lag being responsible for the LV loss of its capital array, lag has been a "weapon" utilized by BOB for some time. They have used it to their advantage. It would not surprise me if they have passed their node crashing tricks on to LV as well. The facts are simple. Both sides experienced the same lag. One side kicked ass on the other side and one side took a huge loss.. both under the same conditions.
There is one inevitable fact overshadowing all of this. The forces of good are gaining in strength and numbers. The destruction of both LV and, more importantly BOB has begun. There will be battles won and lost on both sides but, in the end, the outcome is certain. BOB will be destroyed.... not weakened but destroyed.. dismanteled... and EVE will be a better place for it.
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:10:00 -
[376]
pic of prenode crash... link was backwards
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:11:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear?
Are you really so dumb or just pretending to be one?
Can you check how many pages in this thread and hours have passed since nod started to having problems?
And you still lough at possiblity of reimbursment.
Some ppl need to replace their brain...if there is any left at all.
And im one of them for not stoping reading these forums
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Reservoir Dog
Free Space Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:11:00 -
[378]
Edited by: Reservoir Dog on 16/02/2007 09:08:06
Originally by: Farscape Hw http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG Working link
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:18:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Reservoir Dog Edited by: Reservoir Dog on 16/02/2007 09:08:06
Originally by: Farscape Hw http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG Working link
hmmm... I can't see my ship on that picture... 
Hope you took another one! 
Tick Tock.. not bad for a bump in the road, was it...
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:21:00 -
[380]
Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:24:00 -
[381]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear?
Are you really so dumb or just pretending to be one?
Can you check how many pages in this thread and hours have passed since nod started to having problems?
And you still lough at possiblity of reimbursment.
Some ppl need to replace their brain...if there is any left at all.
And im one of them for not stoping reading these forums
If you follow the precedent set before in previous wars they'll be no reimbursement.
If they do reimburse then it will open up an ugly can of worms since they denied ASCN, G, and others who petitioned in similar circumstances.
Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and |

Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:32:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
No silly, you left the good guys remember? You know, the guys who propped up our old alliance for 6-8 months? Don't remember? Fleets that were more and more LV and less and less -V-?
I have a lovely chatlog with you dear. Smacking LV days after you left our old alliance. I mean, fine, if you want to think xirts **** doesnt stink, fine. But dont for a moment PRETEND -LV- were or are a nothing alliance. Or that this move was anything but calculated survival to a ****fight of a lagtrain coalition.
This fight took no skill. With their titans and tactics, the outcome was not certain. What was certain, is you would have lost a **** tin of assets.
Reality checks in the mail, kids .
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:34:00 -
[383]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 16/02/2007 07:32:20 CONFIRED:
LV has lost their cap ship array and their fetus Titan.
CONFIRMED:
LV has lost their Titan BPO!!
Thanks LV!!
EDIT: How much you wanna bet LV petitions this out the rear?
Are you really so dumb or just pretending to be one?
Can you check how many pages in this thread and hours have passed since nod started to having problems?
And you still lough at possiblity of reimbursment.
Some ppl need to replace their brain...if there is any left at all.
And im one of them for not stoping reading these forums
So tell me genius. How many times have other people been reimbursed for the node crashing? Did the folks in EC-P8R or wherever ages ago get reimbursed when BOB and friends flooded the system and bragged about doing it?
Everyone had the same chance to get into the system. The brainless ones are you of course, and LV for letting their POS come out of reinforced at 4 in the morning for them. Whoops! Keep crying. Everyone else is having a nice laugh. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

Matrices Reborn
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:47:00 -
[384]
Only one thing to say:
"Don't pretend like you are a threat to any of our systems or anything." - Nickycakes, LV, 2 weeks ago
Lol, so how does it feel to lose 70bISK to a non-threat? 
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Black Torment
Caldari Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:51:00 -
[385]
Pity I couldn't stay up to join this... maybe... ;p
To anyone complaining about lag making the system undefendable, haxploits, etc... You think you can kill a 1000 man fleet with a 300 man fleet WITHOUT lag?
LV were unable to defend, fair and square.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:55:00 -
[386]
Node crash itself is one thing. Constant problems for few/several hours is another. And Im sure you will "try to open Can of worms" soon. But you wont be able to do anything about it except crying. There is not black and white situations only. There are some colors some ppl can not see Im afraid
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:55:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Farscape Hw pic of prenode crash... link was backwards
So many close range battleships ships for a fleet fight = funny as hell ----------
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Cookie Snatcher
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.16 09:59:00 -
[388]
300 vs 1000 isnt nothing lv/bob couldnt handle, you know t1 crapships arent so hard to kill, they go pop from 1 DD cycle. Personally i think all crapships should not even be allowed anywhere near the system thats under siege. Then there would be a normal 300vs300 slaughter.
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General Furyan
Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:01:00 -
[389]
Unfortunatly, node crash, lag, game mechanic are all part of the game. Last week, it was in your favor, this week, it's in our favor.
But what i saw tonight is one of the biggest powerman demonstration i ever saw in Eve. Not only we bring near a 1000 ships but our capital fleet was amazing too!
I have been warned 6 hours before the ops, imagine how many pilots we will bring with 1 day or 2 notice! I dont know what will be the issue of all this, but Bob & allies have awaken something that might be hard to stop!
Good luck to all involved and see you in space! - General Furyan |

Niklas Reinhard
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:02:00 -
[390]
It seems to me both sides of this engagement did everything within there power to get the upper hand of the field of battle.
LV and Friends set up a gate camp of grand proportion which is sound tactics.
LV's opposition countered with numbers, much like storming the beaches in WWII which again was sound tactics.
But the server node could not withstand the beating and in the end the winner was numbers for nothing more than the reason numbers win in many cases "odds"
Now the server is nothing more than the very enviroment and in many battles all through history there were great defeats due to the enviroment not acting as we would like.
So LV, blame it on the "Rain" so to speek but the screaming cheat well thats just foolish, as in all battles real or in EVE we will ALL try to have to upper hand, and yes sometimes it rains.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:02:00 -
[391]
I'm not a fan of the coalition but...
Grats on killing the CSAA.
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Taison
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:02:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Cookie Snatcher 300 vs 1000 isnt nothing lv/bob couldnt handle, you know t1 crapships arent so hard to kill, they go pop from 1 DD cycle. Personally i think all crapships should not even be allowed anywhere near the system thats under siege. Then there would be a normal 300vs300 slaughter.
yes! remove all tacklers from game! lets just snipe eachother!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:07:00 -
[393]
To reply in old 'BoB'-style:
When the node crashed, Goons and RA logged in right away, while LV obviously didn't because they are egoist and rather let some of their buddies login first so they don't die. Goons and RA are a real close-knit group of people, who trust each other and who will fight and die for each other and thats the only reason they held the field.
(note, I didn't make this text up myself, I am just copying/paraphrasing BoB's responses to node crashes in TPAR and TCAG and replacing the names of the alliances in question with the alliances currently fighting...)
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |

Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:12:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
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Tundaar
Minmatar Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:15:00 -
[395]
Don't worry LV - ASCN will back you up just like they . . . . . .oh no wait a minute. . .Sorry I forgot, BoB Killed your ally (Oops - hurts doesn't it)
Actually, this is all fair play, Happened Time and Time again in ASCN war vs BoB. General consensus on these very Forums was "ASCN Get over it - They are Uber and you are not" I guess the same rules still need to apply.
GL all fighting the God of Lag with his mighty Node crash spear
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Shinji Seto
Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:20:00 -
[396]
Edited by: Shinji Seto on 16/02/2007 10:16:58 Word, wel done homies. I'm sad I missed it, stupid work at 5am. HeHe at least I got to participate in putting a hurting on ISS in C3 just before the JV battle. Anyways brilliant work gents! /me does the happy dance 0// \\0
"Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide. |

Greenwing
SuX ltd. Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:21:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Black Torment Pity I couldn't stay up to join this... maybe... ;p
To anyone complaining about lag making the system undefendable, haxploits, etc... You think you can kill a 1000 man fleet with a 300 man fleet WITHOUT lag?
LV were unable to defend, fair and square.
If those 1000 man have to fly 100km to get out of the bubbles while being sniped by 300 man who are waiting at there optimal range ? Looking at the kill-death ratio of the first wave that entered the system and the titans present in the system, a lot of those 1000 would be killed. I think it would have been a pretty nice fight with a lot of chances for both sides to win. Unfortunately Eve is just not ready for these kind of fights, while it's players are 
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:25:00 -
[398]
Not making any judgements on either side in this, just have to say...
I find it profoundly dissapointing that a Titan was destroyed without a fight.
Again.
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:31:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Reservoir Dog Edited by: Reservoir Dog on 16/02/2007 09:08:06
Originally by: Farscape Hw http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/277/277954/folders/243838/2103674300ongate.JPG Working link
I think I saw waldo there. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons 
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:35:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Greenwing
Originally by: Black Torment Pity I couldn't stay up to join this... maybe... ;p
To anyone complaining about lag making the system undefendable, haxploits, etc... You think you can kill a 1000 man fleet with a 300 man fleet WITHOUT lag?
LV were unable to defend, fair and square.
If those 1000 man have to fly 100km to get out of the bubbles while being sniped by 300 man who are waiting at there optimal range ? Looking at the kill-death ratio of the first wave that entered the system and the titans present in the system, a lot of those 1000 would be killed. I think it would have been a pretty nice fight with a lot of chances for both sides to win. Unfortunately Eve is just not ready for these kind of fights, while it's players are 
If there had been no lag, how long would those bubbles have lasted? I think a 1000 man fleet rips up 4 or 5 bubbles in seconds, and then is free to warp out.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |

KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 10:59:00 -
[401]
I think it's worth noting too, that half the GF pilots were ordered to stay offline in order to give a chance to LV and Coalition pilots to get into system and attempt a fight.
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Logi3
EVE Corporation 1631
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:16:00 -
[402]
Wheres Waldo?
Any way, gratz to the Allies. But i dont see the point in blaming anyone on either side. The allies brought a big force to take down the Bob/LV fleet and POS. Which is understandable, its CCP problem that the game cant justify such a large fleet battle. Imagine what it would of been like if the Allies forced was matched with equal numbers? 1200vs1200? You all still be trying to log on in now ;)
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The Chauffeur
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:25:00 -
[403]
the whole "fight" was crap on my end. my connection got dropped SIX TIMES from midnight my time to 3AM. i saw no action whatsoever. now when i do log in i'll either wake up in enemy territory or in a brand new clone vat.
i'd like to say "good fight", but from my end it was just bull****. to Goon & friends: looking forward to actually fighting you.

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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:26:00 -
[404]
Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 11:28:59 Well done guys mission accomplished I was laughing hysterically when I saw that capital ship yard go down. Big moral blow and isk blow to LV heh
The battle is taking a turn me thinks. LV its your fault for ****ing off soo many alliances, and now those alliances are taking part in your destruction.
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Fear Not
Moarty Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:48:00 -
[405]
Sad news for LV/BOB - this wasn't deserved unless the attacking army beat the defences - which they didn't. They just got around them because of the problems with the server.
I also recognise that "The coalition" must be given the ability to kill this POS, but the defenders must also be given the ability to defend it.
It just sounds like a massive failure in EVE for events to been played out fairly.
Just to be clear, I am not fighting a side of this war - I just don't like to see people denied what they worked hard at because of bugs and server problems. I also accept I wasn't there, but then it sounds like I saw about as much with my eyes closed asleep as most of you did! hehe 
If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it. A tough decision to be sure. |

Taison
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:49:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Greenwing
Originally by: Black Torment Pity I couldn't stay up to join this... maybe... ;p
To anyone complaining about lag making the system undefendable, haxploits, etc... You think you can kill a 1000 man fleet with a 300 man fleet WITHOUT lag?
LV were unable to defend, fair and square.
If those 1000 man have to fly 100km to get out of the bubbles while being sniped by 300 man who are waiting at there optimal range ? Looking at the kill-death ratio of the first wave that entered the system and the titans present in the system, a lot of those 1000 would be killed. I think it would have been a pretty nice fight with a lot of chances for both sides to win. Unfortunately Eve is just not ready for these kind of fights, while it's players are 
And u think that the coalition fleet was 1000 cruisers and frigs? y would we fly 100 km? We had more than enough snipers ourself and would snipe right from the gate. And imagine the chaos on the overviews - u have like 500 support approaching u and like 300-400 snipers on the gate. We had the advantage of multiple command so multiple groups of 30-50 snipers would work their way independant with enough focus to kill in 1 shot throgh the list. And LV i guess were centralized so they would focus 1-2-3. Now guess how the fight would end.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Tactical Enterprise Group LTD
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:54:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Nooey Not making any judgements on either side in this, just have to say...
I find it profoundly dissapointing that a Titan was destroyed without a fight.
Again.
qft.
I will say I salute all of you on providing CCP with vital data on how to solve this kind of scalability issue. You can't plan, or sim out stuff like this.
I just hope they had the , er, probes in the hamsters...
To the coalition: 1000 pilot fleet! dayum!!! I'm sure it would have been an interesting fight.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:03:00 -
[408]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 12:03:41 Anyway, 2 interesting scenario we saw lately.
1st: one side atacking enemy POS while enemy decide to cyno in many capitals+ppl creating lag that will hold of dread turrets controling for atacker (POS still shooting nicely).
2nd: Bring as much as possible ppl and capitals in order that through nod crashing, percentage is in atacker favour to bring them closer to POS while defender not being able to do/move anything about it (percentage of success is ofc in favour of those with bigger numbers in situation as this).
Now there is nothing wrong with each of these scenarious. PPL have choices allowed by game mechanic. Servers/nods cant deal with it atm.
Long term result = PPL going further and further from game main idea in order to win
Tactics, skills, type of ships are loosing value day by day more and more. And majority ppl dont really care about it.
The thing is....fight would be very interesting if there would be 300 against 1000. dont be so sure if those 1000 would actualy win in system without server problems. Knowing that there will be problems, what would be the use of bringing good ships when all you need to do is pushing and pushing in cheap t1 stuff knowing those t2 ships probably wont work anyway as they should. And if you die, you can be there in a second unabling your enemy to use ships on the way it was intended.
t1 4tw when you have few hundreds at your side...no matter how many on other
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:07:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
The true petition is like "we have less members, plz give us POS back." If i was the GM to decide that, i'd decline it.
Originally by: Cipher7
Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:13:00 -
[410]
Originally by: Taison
Originally by: Greenwing
Originally by: Black Torment Pity I couldn't stay up to join this... maybe... ;p
To anyone complaining about lag making the system undefendable, haxploits, etc... You think you can kill a 1000 man fleet with a 300 man fleet WITHOUT lag?
LV were unable to defend, fair and square.
If those 1000 man have to fly 100km to get out of the bubbles while being sniped by 300 man who are waiting at there optimal range ? Looking at the kill-death ratio of the first wave that entered the system and the titans present in the system, a lot of those 1000 would be killed. I think it would have been a pretty nice fight with a lot of chances for both sides to win. Unfortunately Eve is just not ready for these kind of fights, while it's players are 
And u think that the coalition fleet was 1000 cruisers and frigs? y would we fly 100 km? We had more than enough snipers ourself and would snipe right from the gate. And imagine the chaos on the overviews - u have like 500 support approaching u and like 300-400 snipers on the gate. We had the advantage of multiple command so multiple groups of 30-50 snipers would work their way independant with enough focus to kill in 1 shot throgh the list. And LV i guess were centralized so they would focus 1-2-3. Now guess how the fight would end.
Then wake up, realise they had a titan (or two?) in system, they do what damage they can, warp off (you're in their 100km worth of bubble camp still), DD the gate, and mop up the rest?
ooooh.
Nevertheless, you should have lost ships. Lots of ships. And dreads. You didn't. Therefore, the fight was NOT 'fairs fair' or 'goody ******* gum drops'. You knew how this would turn out before you even set off. Blushing and batting your eyelids innocently doesn't change that fact.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:16:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.

I dunno, but is this the first post where LV is admitting to be losing?
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |

Fear Not
Moarty Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:26:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this.
You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:27:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Greenwing If those 1000 man have to fly 100km to get out of the bubbles while being sniped by 300 man who are waiting at there optimal range ? Looking at the kill-death ratio of the first wave that entered the system and the titans present in the system, a lot of those 1000 would be killed. I think it would have been a pretty nice fight with a lot of chances for both sides to win. Unfortunately Eve is just not ready for these kind of fights, while it's players are
How many bubbles were deployed on the gate, and how long would it take 1,000 people to pop said bubbles, and do you have a sepecial doomsday that only destroys hostile ships? I somehow doubt the fight would go as you claim.
Originally by: Fear Not I also recognise that "The coalition" must be given the ability to kill this POS, but the defenders must also be given the ability to defend it.
It just sounds like a massive failure in EVE for events to been played out fairly.
Just to be clear, I am not fighting a side of this war - I just don't like to see people denied what they worked hard at because of bugs and server problems. I also accept I wasn't there, but then it sounds like I saw about as much with my eyes closed asleep as most of you did! hehe 
If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it. A tough decision to be sure.
What of the Coalition, should they be denied what they worked hard for (destruction of an in-production Titan) also because of bugs and server problems?
If CCP made a ruling in favor of LV regarding the POS, it would be a mistake of collosal proportians. It would mean that in any territory war, all you have to do is bring so many ships to defend that it would be impossible to assault without crashing the node. At which point all your POS's are protected by CCP making territory warfare completely pointless which would lead to stagnation within Eve.
At the end of the day, when there is a node crash both sides have to simply deal with it and muddle through the crappy situation to let the situation resolve itself. LV failed to defend the POS, while the Coalition succeeded in destroying it, both sides had to deal with lag and node crashes so I don't think any further intervention on the final outcome would be fair in the slightest.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:30:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Fear Not
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this.
You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
Can we rollback the servers to the 500 LV/FIX/MC/ISS/U'K/VETO/TYRELL CORP steamrolling of F4? Under your logic we deserved a fair chance to defend our space.
Sorry, we adapted and LV can too. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:32:00 -
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This war is not going to CHANGE Eve. Its going to CRUSH Eve.
With no chance to defend a system against a large number of attackers(even they come with noob-ships) makes it absolutly sensless to build up anything big, just to see it crushed by 1000 noobs.
At this point where quantity pwns quality in any way...Eve is come to its end.
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless. There is IMMEDIATLY an restriction needed, how many players can enter an system which is under siege.
If you think about the future...what will happen to any other alliance is forming up in 0.0-space which is NOT friendly to the RAGOON-blob? They will loose any outpost/system without a chance to defend...just because of the fact that numbers pwns everything.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear , and do you have a sepecial doomsday that only destroys hostile ships?
hehe, I sence great strategic master here......not
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Arithon Draedus
NQX Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:33:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Fear Not
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this. You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
There is so much irony here that it is making my brain hurt.
ASCN titan death anyone?
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Brannor McThife
Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:34:00 -
[418]
You know... everyone can blame anyone and everyone. The system can't handle epic battles, so we end up with node deaths (who cares about who is "responsible"...). EvE is supposed to be a PvP game, and right now, it is failing that.
I'm glad I'm heading back to Empire to do who-knows-what. Part of the reason I am leaving is that I got so very tired of POS warfair where all you end up doing is lagging out half the time. Some will claim that EvE should be sharded, that it'll never hold up to epic battles, who knows.
To LV, BoB 'n friends: How motivated do you feel knowing that your enemy can (and may) use node-crashing tactics to destroy your POS?
To RAGS 'n friends: Are you willing to accept the same? (not picking sides, just asking if you'd be happy if this was done to you?) And ask yourself, do you really feel like this is a fulfilling "victory"? Or does the hint of hollowness not nag at your gut?
I'm no 0.0 veteran; I've been out there 5-6 months and am no expert, just that what happened today has made me feel that EvE has lost something. Makes me as a player consider my future in this game - is it worth getting involved in 0.0 Alliances?
In the end, EvE has lost a little of it's attraction.
-G
PS. Yes, my corp ticker is ISSN, but I am in the process of leaving - mainly because I'm not playing much nowadays, not because of wars.
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:37:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Edit: Oh, btw. To all the ex ASCNers. Just lol. It took ONE alliance to steam roll you, with LESS numbers. You weren't faced with 1000+ fleets, ever (do correct me if this is in error). There was lag, but multiple node crashes resulting in you losing a system? Maybe not?
Just funny to see so many foaming at the mouth for BoB's death from your ranks.
We were not facing 1000+ fleets but I dont think we ever had a fleet battle with BoB where we had substantially higher number than them as, tbh, I doubt that ASCN (for all its overall size) had that many more active players than BoB does.
Ofc the multiple node crashes had a massive impact on us and were a massive part of why we lost the war. After losing 4 or 5 BS to node deaths (which I know believe more than ever to have been caused by game mechanic exploits) I had lots of corpmates who wer saying "**** it, we cannot have a fleet fight with bob because everytime we try to do it the node crashes and we get killed logging back on or we get lagged to death and all popped".
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Tempest Kane
Amarr The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:37:00 -
[420]
The only reply i give a damn about on here is an offical CCP reply.
Get off your backsides and do something about this. Not giving them back that baby titan is like you telling everyone who pays an eve subscription to go jump off a cliff, even the hostiles. What your saying effectively is if u want to use node crashing knowingly to achive tactical advantages then go ahead. This game's selling point is epic battles and war's involving everyone.. your simply not prepared for that as tonight shows.
Pay up or refund subscriptions.
And to the hostile's who will flame on and on and on, stfu... you as much as anyone know that win loose or draw this 3,4,5x node crashing bs is not on.
The fact is you had a good bloody chance of killing that titan with an equally matched fleet, you did not need to go and do the mighty ibis campaing and get 1000 of ur goonswam n00blets to fill the area up untill the n0de refused to take it anymore.
In effect you just DOS'd eve in order to get a titan kill.
Think about it. 
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capt robn0id2
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:41:00 -
[421]
I guess the lesson is...atm if the game cant support such large invasions into a system then best not to **** everyone in game off. Had bob or LV not done this then this situation wouldnt be playing out. Dont blame the enemy for having too many people onside when essentially its ur own doing.
Congrats coalition. Good to finally see an absence of Lv arrogance posts.
All hail the rapetrain!
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Raxxar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:44:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Fear Not
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this.
You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
May I remind you fights for C-J6MT, when 60-100 ships RA fleet was defending system against 600 ships fleet and joined capital fleet of two bigeest alliances at that moment? There is always "a fair chance to defend".
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:44:00 -
[423]
Ok people lets put this a different way.
LV is just as responsible for the node crashes as the coalition forces are. They knew if they defended with a 400 man fleet and 20 large bubbles the node would crash. They should have defended with less to make the taking of the POS easier. That would have been the honorable thing to do.
Sounds silly right? Thats exactly what you are yelling,****ing and moaning about the coalition forces doing. "WAAA WAAA you have too many people it not fair! WAAA WAAA" Oh and LV did not lose a Titan they said it themselves "it is just a pile if mins."
To expect a superior (numbers wise) force to not exploit that advantage in a war is silly and naive(sp).
Boli
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:45:00 -
[424]
I personally and truely don't care who was victorious but as a member of the Eve community I wanted to see and hear of an Epic Battle ... Clearly for both sides this was nothing more than unplayable.
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Mrs Mimnatar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:46:00 -
[425]
Edited by: Mrs Mimnatar on 16/02/2007 12:42:21 alt post please delete,
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:46:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Menf
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless.
That has got to be the dumbest thing said in the 17 pages of crap here. Why bother opening your mouth if you have no clue what you're talking about? I know tons of people on the coalitions side that have been in the game since it was released. There's no way to even know who had more SP. It's not like our plan was to crash the node or to have 1000+ people anyway. Get a friggin clue or stfu. I hate stupid people...
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Dravun
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:46:00 -
[427]
Edited by: Dravun on 16/02/2007 12:43:45
Originally by: Fear Not
If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it. A tough decision to be sure.
If CCP replaces this POS and all the Titan capital ships parts for LV I will quit the game I love, no questions asked. And I expect that many others will as well. This is only true, for me, because Cyvok getting DC'd then stuck in a login queue when he was attempting to save Steve was not enough for the GM to justify replacement.
CCP: Please keep in mind that it was 1000 vs 200 in your petition review and that a force that overwhelming has a decided advantage regardless of the circumstances. Also I hope you make the results of any petition public for or against to keep the community quite on this subject.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:48:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Tempest Kane The only reply i give a damn about on here is an offical CCP reply.
Get off your backsides and do something about this. Not giving them back that baby titan is like you telling everyone who pays an eve subscription to go jump off a cliff, even the hostiles. What your saying effectively is if u want to use node crashing knowingly to achive tactical advantages then go ahead. This game's selling point is epic battles and war's involving everyone.. your simply not prepared for that as tonight shows.
Pay up or refund subscriptions.
And to the hostile's who will flame on and on and on, stfu... you as much as anyone know that win loose or draw this 3,4,5x node crashing bs is not on.
The fact is you had a good bloody chance of killing that titan with an equally matched fleet, you did not need to go and do the mighty ibis campaing and get 1000 of ur goonswam n00blets to fill the area up untill the n0de refused to take it anymore.
In effect you just DOS'd eve in order to get a titan kill.
Think about it. 
WTF you are out of touch with what actually happened. You are full of spite towards goons which has absolutely NO merit what so ever.  One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:49:00 -
[429]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 12:47:18
Originally by: Menf This war is not going to CHANGE Eve. Its going to CRUSH Eve.
With no chance to defend a system against a large number of attackers(even they come with noob-ships) makes it absolutly sensless to build up anything big, just to see it crushed by 1000 noobs.
At this point where quantity pwns quality in any way...Eve is come to its end.
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless. There is IMMEDIATLY an restriction needed, how many players can enter an system which is under siege. If you think about the future...what will happen to any other alliance is forming up in 0.0-space which is NOT friendly to the RAGOON-blob? They will loose any outpost/system without a chance to defend...just because of the fact that numbers pwns everything.
I agree with this post, but not with part i bolded. Solution isnt to restrict number of pilots to enter system. Dont wanna explein here why (general disccusion would do better for that). And i cant see solution in near future for CCP to fix servers in a way to hold this many numbers.
Only solution is for ppl loving this GAME (instead of political whoring on forums) to understand the danger for the game to be ruin very soon.
I know there is a will to defeat opponents and heart beating while do so. But when you come in to siuations that tactic, skills and quality of ships dont do anymore...well, only way is down from there...for all of us
Originally by: Commander GoLeM
Originally by: Menf
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless.
Get a friggin clue or stfu. I hate stupid people...
I suggest you get some clue yourself. At least a logic for start
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Commander GoLeM
Caldari Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:58:00 -
[430]
Originally by: DARK DAY Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 12:47:18
Originally by: Commander GoLeM
Originally by: Menf
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless.
Get a friggin clue or stfu. I hate stupid people...
I suggest you get some clue yourself. At least a logic for start
Are you saying there is logic in saying that 300 people have more SP than 1000? You apparently forgot your sign as well. Just because 200 of the 1000 were goons doesn't mean crap. As I said before, it's impossible to know and therefore idiotic to say either way.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:00:00 -
[431]
If CCP did reimburse the POS, and the whole thing had to be done over again, would LV do anything differant to protect it, would the Coalition do anything differant to destroy it, and would the servers suddenly be able to cope?
If there was a node crash and LV lost their POS again, would they get ANOTHER reset? What if there was a node crash and the POS wasn't destryoed... would the Coalition be able to petition to have the POS destroyed because they were unable to kill it because of a node crash?
Sometimes you just have to accept the outcome of a battle, the die were cast and winners/losers were decided.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:01:00 -
[432]
As I stated already elsewhere it was a huge mistake of LV to shun themselves into this system.
They knew exactly that a huge force is on the way. They had already 400+ people in local. They hoped that they could snipe away them when they enter the system due to lag/crash one by one.
They gambled, they lost.
The strategy was wrong. LV should have attacked the disjoint fleets before they came together and several systems before the LV-System. This would have caused also much less stress on the nodes.
Sorry for all people who were expecting a huge and overwhelming battle! It surely was f***ing frustrating to sit in front of black screen waiting waiting waiting. But CCP tried its best, Valar was up the whole night till 6 o'clock to improve the node status.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:02:00 -
[433]
The "1000 coalition pilots" thing doesn't become any more true the more times it's repeated.
Maximum "rapetrain" (ugh) forces: around 600. There were at the time of the node crash about 360 in M-R, and another 150 in 46D and perhaps another 3-4 gangs of 30 in systems further out (9-9, etc). It's not like we didn't have scouts on the look out for what was coming.
And the gang inside JV1V was (and I'm trying to be as honest as I can, here) at least 380 + carrier support. At the time the coalition forces started jumping in, local in JV1V was 440, almost all friendly (20 hostiles from the previous engagement). I know we had more than 300, because we maxed out gang size at 256, and started a 2nd gang, which had at least 80 people in it, and the capital fleet was in another gang.
Ok, so roughly 600 coalition forces, jumping into 400 LV+friends forces.
Now, on top of that, those bubbles (17 large bubbles) weren't there to look pretty, or cause lag... they were there to give people a hellaciously long trip to get out of the bubble and warp away. The minimum distance to travel to get out of the bubble was something like 30-40K, and in a battleship, that's a death sentance.
Of the 380ish at the gate, better than 200 were fully fitted snieprs at optimal range. The rest were support - ECM, tacklers, and ravens that can't insta-hit. Now, add to this the fact that there were enough carriers in system to give roughly 200 fighters worth of extra help
What I'm working up to is that even though those of us on the inside of JV1V were outnumbered, we had a complete tactical advantage. We had sniper spots all over the gate, we had fighter support, we had optimal range, and we had the bubbles up to hold people in place.
600 coalition vs. 400 LV+friends, with 200 fighters worth of support.
None of us wanted the node to crash. I was trying to up my framerate via anything I could - by the time the node crashed, I was down to 1024x768, 16 bit color, no z-buffer, no audio, and widescreen - to try and reduce any client side lag. We were ready for this fight, and I am pretty sure we could have given the "rapetrain" (ugh again) a run for its money.
So, saying "LV Wanted the node crash, lolol fofofo" is dumb. LV was ready for the fight. The node crash only hurt those already inside JV1V, and it gave the coalition a free pass to get into system without a fight.
I wish it would have played out differently. I wanted to see that fight.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:05:46
Originally by: Commander GoLeM Are you saying there is logic in saying that 300 people have more SP than 1000? You apparently forgot your sign as well. Just because 200 of the 1000 were goons doesn't mean crap. As I said before, it's impossible to know and therefore idiotic to say either way.
Yes, in needed segment fields, for needed ships and whatever. It is imposible to know ofc and i doubt the guy that said it ment in total summing ALL SP, but used SP for particular situation and segments.
Anyway, we will never know untill all run perfectly normal. But there is a logic and calling somebody idiot for expresing his opinion based on logic, is well....
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GeorgeBush Hero
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:16:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Commander GoLeM It's not like our plan was to crash the node
Interesting... is this why people have screenshots of people telling others to "keep jumping so we can crash the node"?
Perhaps a clever photoshop ploy, or the words of someone who just did not know what his colleagues were up to... guess the world will never know.
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GeorgeBush Hero
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:16:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Commander GoLeM It's not like our plan was to crash the node
Interesting... is this why people have screenshots of people telling others to "keep jumping so we can crash the node"?
Perhaps a clever photoshop ploy, or the words of someone who just did not know what his colleagues were up to... guess the world will never know.
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Kyra Azor
Silver Train
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:17:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Xiaodown
What I'm working up to is that even though those of us on the inside of JV1V were outnumbered, we had a complete tactical advantage. We had sniper spots all over the gate, we had fighter support, we had optimal range, and we had the bubbles up to hold people in place.
600 coalition vs. 400 LV+friends, with 200 fighters worth of support.
So what you are saying is that you deliberately created a situation where you left your enemy no choice than to bring such numbers that would surely crash the node. 400 pilots are enough to crash a node by themselves. In your opinion what should have happened?
The right thing to do was to keep around 100 in the system and split the rest in 3 gangs and go after the hostile gangs in nearby systems. Then you would have the fights you wanted. Instead you chose to crash the node. You don't have any right to complain.
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Rikkard Strofeldt
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:17:00 -
[438]
With 400 defenders in the system, the node crash was inevitable.
Not going to blame either side, but I do think that some forward defence from LV might have worked better. Note I said might. It might also have gotten you killed faster.
Meh... I was at work.
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:21:00 -
[439]
dreads dont use jumpgates so it would have been hard to stop the dreads before the system.
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:23:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Xiaodown The "1000 coalition pilots" thing doesn't become any more true the more times it's repeated.
Maximum "rapetrain" (ugh) forces: around 600. There were at the time of the node crash about 360 in M-R, and another 150 in 46D and perhaps another 3-4 gangs of 30 in systems further out (9-9, etc). It's not like we didn't have scouts on the look out for what was coming.
And the gang inside JV1V was (and I'm trying to be as honest as I can, here) at least 380 + carrier support. At the time the coalition forces started jumping in, local in JV1V was 440, almost all friendly (20 hostiles from the previous engagement). I know we had more than 300, because we maxed out gang size at 256, and started a 2nd gang, which had at least 80 people in it, and the capital fleet was in another gang.
Ok, so roughly 600 coalition forces, jumping into 400 LV+friends forces.
Now, on top of that, those bubbles (17 large bubbles) weren't there to look pretty, or cause lag... they were there to give people a hellaciously long trip to get out of the bubble and warp away. The minimum distance to travel to get out of the bubble was something like 30-40K, and in a battleship, that's a death sentance.
Of the 380ish at the gate, better than 200 were fully fitted snieprs at optimal range. The rest were support - ECM, tacklers, and ravens that can't insta-hit. Now, add to this the fact that there were enough carriers in system to give roughly 200 fighters worth of extra help
What I'm working up to is that even though those of us on the inside of JV1V were outnumbered, we had a complete tactical advantage. We had sniper spots all over the gate, we had fighter support, we had optimal range, and we had the bubbles up to hold people in place.
600 coalition vs. 400 LV+friends, with 200 fighters worth of support.
None of us wanted the node to crash. I was trying to up my framerate via anything I could - by the time the node crashed, I was down to 1024x768, 16 bit color, no z-buffer, no audio, and widescreen - to try and reduce any client side lag. We were ready for this fight, and I am pretty sure we could have given the "rapetrain" (ugh again) a run for its money.
So, saying "LV Wanted the node crash, lolol fofofo" is dumb. LV was ready for the fight. The node crash only hurt those already inside JV1V, and it gave the coalition a free pass to get into system without a fight.
I wish it would have played out differently. I wanted to see that fight.
This is exactly how it was. We were denied an opportunity to defend our system properly. We had the "high ground" and were certain of inflicting critical losses on the enemy fleet - enough to ensure that their dread fleet would be un-protected and extremily vulnerable to attack if they came in.
I said earlier this week, that LV would gladly exchange our unbuilt titan for a substantial victory over their capital fleet. Now we have not only lost the Titan without chance to play out the battle to it's natural conclusion, their dreads have also returned home scott-free as we were simply unable to log back in to fight them.
We have written no official petittion yet, so all talk about it should remain between us (LV) and the GM's as they look into the situation and try to decipher what went wrong, and who came off worst because of this node crashing over extended periods.
LV + friends were ready for a fight to the death last night. We believe that we had all the tools in place to deal with their onslaught.
The great shame here is that what should have been an epic battle, the biggest, most important battle in EVE's history became a complete farce. Win or loose that battle, a great deal of pilots would merely have been thankful that they were there! instead of looking at a black screen for 2-3 hours (I kid you not)
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:23:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Menf If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000.
Your funny, the skillpoints doesn't tell a thing on how good you are in EVE to kill etc, because a 14 days old noob can kill a player with 12 mill SP.
This game is NOT like WoW.
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Lemonx
Spiritus Draconis Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:23:00 -
[442]
If CCP allows node-crashing to be a valid tactic to gain an advantage, the game as we know it will be destroyed. It doesnt matter if it was planned or not. If large quantity becomes an 'I-WIN' button over quality, a large part of the playerbase will lose the incentive to play. I dont care about LV's Titan, but CCP must not allow this to happen.
Short-term solutions i can see is either to limit number of people in a system, or not restarting nodes when they crash. Both solutions are bad because it gives the defending part the I-WIN button to fend of any attacks.
Based on the few coherent mature posts in this thread it seems that LV would not have lost the POS if it wasnt for the node crashes, it would have gotten its shield high enough. CCP can not allow people to gain huge advantages by crashing nodes, no mather what side it is.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:28:00 -
[443]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Menf If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000.
Your funny, the skillpoints doesn't tell a thing on how good you are in EVE to kill etc, because a 14 days old noob can kill a player with 12 mill SP.
This game is NOT like WoW.
Lol, I wonder who is funny here. PPL that have succesfull history or those that dont (such as yourself) but still thinking their are skilled enough in their mind (which usualy they are not)
Originally by: Lemonx If CCP allows node-crashing to be a valid tactic to gain an advantage, the game as we know it will be destroyed. It doesnt matter if it was planned or not. If large quantity becomes an 'I-WIN' button over quality, a large part of the playerbase will lose the incentive to play.
As I said, some ppl dont care about this game as some imagine they do (especialy those jumping from one in to another untill they ruin it)
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Fear Not
Moarty Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fear Not on 16/02/2007 13:26:50
Originally by: Arithon Draedus
Originally by: Fear Not
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this. You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
There is so much irony here that it is making my brain hurt.
ASCN titan death anyone?
That isn't ironic? If you wanted to be clever then you would say it was contradictory. But then any intelligent person would see my point and not find a reason to post as you did.
A fair chance would have been an opportunity to fight with the LV/BOB defenders and move on to destroy the POS. Not get some lame opportunistic entry to the system which would never have been open had the servers not crashed out.
Whatever the outcome, you should have had to get past their defence to achieve anything and you didn't. Ergo LV/BOB didn't deserve that loss.
I have said many times you are equally deserving of the chance to kill the POS, please stop posting that I am saying the contrary. You deserve the opportunity to take that POS out. I fully accept that. But not by cheating your way past the defence.
Furthermore, stating past situations where this has happened does not in anyway bolster your argument, it simply makes you as bad as the people you are referring to. To coin a phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right".
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:29:00 -
[445]
I went to bed at 6:30am, after staring at a login screen for over an hour. Figured I'd get up at 7:30 to check and see if I could play, but uh, yeah, that didn't work.
Good job on the attackers, and for the love of god LV, stop doing the "buhuhuhu they killed our titan! hax! sploits! zomg!" thing, it doesn't really make you look any better.
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:30:00 -
[446]
YES, we would have recharged the shields in time. thus forcing them to attack it once again (which we fully expected as there was 26 days left of production)
We had 70+ Shield recharging Ospreys + Carriers that can recharge the deathstar POS to safety levels in MINUTES.
We were also denied this opportunity because of the inability for our pilots to log back in.
I'm not whinging here. All I am putting forward are the facts. If the enemy coalition had destroyed our POS with a fight to the death under notmal conditions, and emerged the clear victors. I would personally be congratulating them here today.
Instead, there are about 1000 dissalusioned LV pilots who have invested personally in a Titan that has been wiped out, without giving us a chance to protect that asset.
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quellious
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:30:00 -
[447]
Hi,
My point of view might be a little biased, but see: . Our coalition had like 1000 players connected simultaneously, and playing together for more than 3 hours. . We had only like 24h to gather a fleet. . We had pilots from many different timezone, joining us. . We sent roughtly 60 capital ship (price estimation : 120bil ?) in an unstable system, with numerous and skilled oponents. . Our pilots jumped through a gate camped with something like 20 blobes, and a snippe fleet. And many of them jumped with ships and items they gathered by spending weeks of timeplay. . And our target was only 1 POS, which unfortunatly for LV was filled with very valuable items.
So, franckly, i have really no problem with LV losing a single POS versus a 120bil, 1000 players fleet. Maybe the big issue is that a POS is not strong enough to hold a titan production.
In a more general point of view, i'd say that one might not start to build a titan class ship if he has an oponent force able to send 1000 pilots in 24h. Being blind to such reallity is a failure.
Considering the preceding point, the titan under production loss is just the result of a bad strategy on the last few month. You would have not lose the titan if you had finished to kill RA. You would neither have lose it if you had seriously helped KOS and V, for the single reason that our alliances would not have developp themselves.
Basically, LV just lost at eve-online, and this POS destruction is nothing more than a symptom.
Who's next ?
PS: I'll stay open minded engouh to consider that LV did not gathered like 300+ pilots in JV just only to avoid us to jump using node mechanism limitations.
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:33:00 -
[448]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Menf If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000.
Your funny, the skillpoints doesn't tell a thing on how good you are in EVE to kill etc, because a 14 days old noob can kill a player with 12 mill SP.
This game is NOT like WoW.
The point is..even the 12SP char is the best pvp-guy ever and he have 200 almost same skilled friends with him...they will be crushed in THAT situations
SERA personally managed it alot times to handle outnumbered situations(remember a 60Goons vs 16SERA and we lost no ship, Goons withdraw after 30losses)
but atm the server cant handle the numbers of pilots the MASS will win AND it absolutly dont matter how good the pilots on each side. _____________________________________________
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Komolov
Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:36:00 -
[449]
Some screenshots **** for those who missed whole thing.
THAT gate we all are talking about http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/rsa/mobili.jpg
Local size http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/rsa/local_number_s.jpg
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:37:00 -
[450]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Menf If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000.
Your funny, the skillpoints doesn't tell a thing on how good you are in EVE to kill etc, because a 14 days old noob can kill a player with 12 mill SP.
This game is NOT like WoW.
Lol, I wonder who is funny here. PPL that have succesfull history or those that dont (such as yourself) but still thinking their are skilled enough in their mind (which usualy they are not)
Who cares about my or others history?, i'm thinking forward (Future), and not the other way. And why think about my history when i'm in CA to kill everybody that are red or neutral to me now?. All i care about now is to kill LV and BoB, nothing more
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:39:00 -
[451]
Theres a Domination Spawn in the top belt nightmareX...
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:40:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Velios Theres a Domination Spawn in the top belt nightmareX...
OMW
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:43:00 -
[453]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:41:11
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Velios Theres a Domination Spawn in the top belt nightmareX...
OMW
haha, now i remember why his name is so familiar. Cry me a river boy for losing his carebear ship by his own corpm8s.
hehe, mix combination of coalition pilots is very interesting indeed.
As i said, numbers, numbers, numbers is all they can do and without it it will be just POP PUP and POP...gone.
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Red Crown
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:46:00 -
[454]
Edited by: Red Crown on 16/02/2007 13:43:34 If you ask me, there should be no refund.
For one, I'm sure LV and co knew that bubbling the gate to hell would cause problems.
For two, having a 250+ man defense fleet for a mini deathstar pillow-fortress requires more than 10 attackers to enter the system.
For three, the lag was equal to all. LV just had more to lose.
The node caught on fire, burned and can be seen from space. In EVE, a JV1V sized hole in the EVE-Time continum is probably going to open . This is more or less CCP's fault.
If LV gets a refund, every character who lost a ship from like, 0300 to now should as well.
Edit: I came in with the first few suicide attack squads around 0200. Lag was bad then, due to the fact I jumped in on roughly 30 large warp disruptors...
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:46:00 -
[455]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Velios Theres a Domination Spawn in the top belt nightmareX...
OMW
haha, now i remember why his name is so familiar. Cry me a river boy for losing his carebear ship by his own corpm8s.
hehe, mix combination of coalition pilots is very interesting indeed.
As i said, numbers, numbers, numbers is all they can do and without it it will be just **** **** and ****
Yeah, it's funny to, because the Raven Navy Issue Loss didn't do me a frack thing, and i got the Gist X-Type things back that i had on the ship. That only showed that M. Corp was some really good backstabbers . But enough of that, this topic is not about a ship i lost over a year ago.
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:46:00 -
[456]
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Thats just stupid, and those of you there who whined about lag/crash are stupid also 
Really whats the point of having 500+ in a system
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:50:00 -
[457]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:52:07 Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:50:54
Originally by: Sun Ra http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Thats just stupid, and those of you there who whined about lag/crash are stupid also 
Really whats the point of having 500+ in a system
To kill goons +friends?
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Master Spoonman
Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:50:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Menf This war is not going to CHANGE Eve. Its going to CRUSH Eve.
With no chance to defend a system against a large number of attackers(even they come with noob-ships) makes it absolutly sensless to build up anything big, just to see it crushed by 1000 noobs.
At this point where quantity pwns quality in any way...Eve is come to its end.
If you sum up the skillpoints on booth sides im pretty sure that the 300ppl had more skillpoints then these 1000. So there is no reason to skill a char. in situations like this is completly worthless. There is IMMEDIATLY an restriction needed, how many players can enter an system which is under siege.
If you think about the future...what will happen to any other alliance is forming up in 0.0-space which is NOT friendly to the RAGOON-blob? They will loose any outpost/system without a chance to defend...just because of the fact that numbers pwns everything.
First, think of what happens if RAGoon lose. BoB takes control of 0.0. Do you actually think they'd let another alliance that is not friendly to them build an outpost in their space? C'mon now, really, it's the way of life. Trying to justify it that way is one of the most ridiculous theories.
Another thing: it's good that many newer players can kill fewer older players. What a crappy game EVE would be if all of the beta players were undefeatable. It would be rather pointless to start playing the game for the first time now when others have 3+ years experience on you, making them essentially invincible.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:52:00 -
[459]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: Sun Ra http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Thats just stupid, and those of you there who whined about lag/crash are stupid also 
Really whats the point of having 500+ in a system
To kill goons +friends?
No that's a picture from a corp mate, so that's for killing LV
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |

spanky421
Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:53:00 -
[460]
Originally by: Sun Ra http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Thats just stupid, and those of you there who whined about lag/crash are stupid also 
Really whats the point of having 500+ in a system
To crash a node for free entrance to a heavily camped system, whilst disconnecting 95% of the defenders, only to follow up with jumping cap ships in due to them not using the same quene as logins. Also to be able to keep the login quene jamm packed with goonies that jumped into jv1 instead of the defenders and dozens of cap ships being used for the defense of jv1.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:56:00 -
[461]
Edited by: Xiaodown on 16/02/2007 13:52:20
Originally by: Red Crown
If LV gets a refund, every character who lost a ship from like, 0300 to now should as well.
Agreed. After the time that I posted the FIRST post in this thread (0337 GMT, appearantly), I deactivated the cloak I had on my rook to try and get a better sniping point (can you call jamming sniping?). It took over 3 minutes to deactivate, and that was before anything started.
Seriously, with that kind of lag, I think losses after about 0330 should be reimbursed. That's it.
And I'm not just saying that, I felt that some of ASCN's losses should have been reimbursed, and some losses in EC-P or whatever should have been reimbursed.
Basically, any time the outcome of an engagement is determined by things outside of player control, players have a reasonable expectation of being reimbursed.
Other games don't have to deal with this because, oh well, I have to respawn at the graveyard and pay 32 GP to fix my boots of extreem l33tness. As someone pointed out above, this game is not WoW. Losses mean something here, and that's why you get so many petitions for lost ships.
All anyone wants (and that's LV+allies, as well as D2+allies and RA/GOON+allies) is a fair shot at letting their skills, tactics, and equipment determine their fate. No one can ask for more than that.
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:56:00 -
[462]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:53:33
Originally by: Master Spoonman
First, think of what happens if RAGoon lose. BoB takes control of 0.0. Do you actually think they'd let another alliance that is not friendly to them build an outpost in their space? C'mon now, really, it's the way of life. Trying to justify it that way is one of the most ridiculous theories.
Another thing: it's good that many newer players can kill fewer older players. What a crappy game EVE would be if all of the beta players were undefeatable. It would be rather pointless to start playing the game for the first time now when others have 3+ years experience on you, making them essentially invincible.
Yes, its far better to avoid tactic, skills, t2 ships and everything game was set for in order to maybe erase old base players (that made the game along CCP) , so rest of ppl could earn some isk not willing to spend it anywhere except on ebay or nice fittings for lonely belts.
HOW COOL
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:58:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
LOL
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Tryptic Photon
Gallente Asgard Protectorate Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:58:00 -
[464]
What would've, could've, or should've happened will never be known. What a drag. 
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Vasili Z
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:59:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Raxxar
Originally by: Fear Not
Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Fear Not If I was a GM having to decide how to rule against such a petition I think I would have to rule in favour of LV, simply because they should have been given a much fairer opportunity to defend it.
Do you really think they would have fought a thousand enemies? Tbh, i doubt that. They would have needed to use their Titan to have only the slightest of a chance. Chances were this Titan was doomed if they had used it. So they would not only have lost the Titan in production but the other one too. No, they would not have tried to defend the system against a thousand opponents i think.
Please read my post again.
I didn't say LV/BOB would have won - I said they deserved a fair chance to defend it. They were robbed of this. Equally though you deserved a fair chance to attack it, you too were robbed of this.
You can't decide what happens in the game based on likelihood - otherwise it isn't a game, instead it becomes a simulation. To take you model further, should we transfer sovereignty's to RA of all LV's eastern systems because they'll probably end up taking them anyway?*
*Might/might not happen, just an appropriate example.
May I remind you fights for C-J6MT, when 60-100 ships RA fleet was defending system against 600 ships fleet and joined capital fleet of two bigeest alliances at that moment? There is always "a fair chance to defend".
They were actually in the system to defend it, we couldn't even log on more than 12 members of our 400 man fleet. Unless I can use smartbombs from my character selection screen, there was no "fair chance to defend".
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Lunarra
Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:03:00 -
[466]
Does no one actually get it? Keeping blaming the others and blah blah.
LV did what they had to do regarding numbers and fighters and bubbles and whatenot to defend their assets. NONE can be blame for it, anyone would have done the same if they could. And this wasn't for crashing the node BSHT. But so did the coalition! You were in large number and very well placed. Did you expect us to jump at 50.... just to keep the node happy?
BOTH side were over excited and looking forward to what could have been the biggest fight ever and NONE wanted a node crash. LV wanted to show the could push us back, we wanted to push them back. But all wanted a fight that didn't happen.
None is to blame, -maybe- CCP but here again... That was just a first for them also.
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:03:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Komolov Some screenshots **** for those who missed whole thing.
THAT gate we all are talking about http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/rsa/mobili.jpg
Local size http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/rsa/local_number_s.jpg
And if I'm not wrong... WE did not put up any bubbles on that gate... LV did...
Sexy pictures, Komolov 
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:04:00 -
[468]
Bubbles have nothing to do with it.
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:04:00 -
[469]
I think both sides were more than well aware of the potential node-crashes this battle could cause and as such I so no reason to reimburse either sides losses. It's a big kick in the balls losing a titan, especially when you don't even get to defend it, but you're lying if you say, you didn't know what would happen.
Blob wars 4tl  ____________ Coming soon... |

DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:05:00 -
[470]
Anyway, this coalition, is filled with lossers from previous wars blinded with vengeance and jelousy. Their mind is so filled with c.r.a.p. that this is just a blitz of spark in the sky for them. so they cant think clearly why something is good or bad.
If God himself step down and explain them some things, they wouldnt understand it an wouldnt get it.
Thats why the loss of this Titan isjust a pain in the a.s.s....but if ppl belaiving that blind mind can take you all the way, your head and face will be very hurt in the end
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:06:00 -
[471]
So what are we to do? request that Goons bring only 200 people instead of 600?
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:07:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Velios Bubbles have nothing to do with it.
Sure... you keep on telling yourself that...
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:08:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Lorth First of all...
I don't care if LV have 68 bubbles on the gate, and 16 zillion drones...
You have 1000 people, as proclaimed in this thread. Now what in the world did you expect to happen when you tried to bring that many people into a system at around the same time.
Look lets not try to play the you caused the lag blame game here. Agree that 1000 vs 300, or even 300 vs 300 is a utterly stupid thing to do, and your not going to get any sort of a fight tonight, or at least not a fight in which one side or the other isn't horribly lagged out.
Go home, call it a wash, and then come back in the morning and see what happens. Stupid numbers like this cause stupid lag related problems like whats happening now.
Yea, I feel ya man, but in the same token you cant say "okay alliance mates and coilition friends only these folks can come". Everyone wants to kill a Titan in the womb. And everyone pays money be excited about this. And the goal was not to fail. So in fact we planned to insure victory with a show of force that they could not counter(you know, one that can get past 25 bubbles, 300 to 400 man fleet, 200 fighter drone). What should we have done, jump 10 pilots in at a time lol aka dead, or only bring 50 people lol aka dead. Also, you cant just say"go home and call it a night" when you are going to attack a POS at the time it comes out of reinforce mode. You got to be there. Allowing the refueling is not the idea behind taking a POS down, being there when it comes back up is HUGELY important, or the initial engagement when is went reinforced is for not. Yes they were stupid numbers, because yes we were trying to achieve a rediculously difficult task, and yes we will succeed...hopefully assuming the node gets a steriod injection.
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:09:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Velios So what are we to do? request that Goons bring only 200 people instead of 600?
No, accept the fact that CCP are poo at sorting out their servers, and cross your fingers, hoping that next time this happens your guys are in front of the login-queue. ____________ Coming soon... |

Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:09:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Lunarra
None is to blame, -maybe- CCP but here again... That was just a first for them also.
LOL.
"It was my first time. Was it good for you?"
"Heck no! Totally unresponsive, and then you dissappeared 7 times in an hour! Takes 5 minutes to activate anything!" |

Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:09:00 -
[476]
Oh right so it's all OUR fault how stupid of me 
I bow to your superior knowledge of EVE 
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Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:10:00 -
[477]
When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend.
Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack... ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |

Assassa
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:11:00 -
[478]
Edited by: Assassa on 16/02/2007 14:08:09 Edited by: Assassa on 16/02/2007 14:07:57
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Lunarra
Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Lunarra
None is to blame, -maybe- CCP but here again... That was just a first for them also.
LOL.
"It was my first time. Was it good for you?"
"Heck no! Totally unresponsive, and then you dissappeared 7 times in an hour! Takes 5 minutes to activate anything!"
If i can call stating at a black screen for more than an hour enjoyable... yes i enjoyed it very much so
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 -
[480]
Hey, where's one of those graphs of the number of people logged into TQ over the past whatever hours?
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend.
Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack...
...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:14:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Lunarra Does no one actually get it? Keeping blaming the others and blah blah.
LV did what they had to do regarding numbers and fighters and bubbles and whatenot to defend their assets. NONE can be blame for it, anyone would have done the same if they could. And this wasn't for crashing the node BSHT. But so did the coalition! You were in large number and very well placed. Did you expect us to jump at 50.... just to keep the node happy?
BOTH side were over excited and looking forward to what could have been the biggest fight ever and NONE wanted a node crash. LV wanted to show the could push us back, we wanted to push them back. But all wanted a fight that didn't happen.
None is to blame, -maybe- CCP but here again... That was just a first for them also.
QFT! Basically yes, everyone wanted to fight, and everyone suffered through not being able to. Its plain to see that CCP has to take this VERY seriously and I'm sure they do. We were all there for a good damn time, not a good damn chracter logon screen. Its noone's fault, everyone suffered from the same crappy situation. And I'm sorry to both sides of this war, because we missed out on something that could have been the best night in eve history...but all was for not..what can be done to fix this? or is it just not fixable?
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Thargat
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:15:00 -
[483]
Edited by: Thargat on 16/02/2007 14:15:57
Originally by: Xiaodown Edited by: Xiaodown on 16/02/2007 13:52:20
Originally by: Red Crown
Seriously, with that kind of lag, I think losses after about 0330 should be reimbursed. That's it.
And I'm not just saying that, I felt that some of ASCN's losses should have been reimbursed, and some losses in EC-P or whatever should have been reimbursed.
~X
Me thinks nothing should ever be reimbursed. Stupid function anyhow. There are already clones and insurances. Nothing in eve is unfair except for the random reimbursement. Besides, it's nerfherding and lame.
If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:17:00 -
[484]
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend.
Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack...
...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay
I thought lame flame trolls around allowed on these boards? I was in RA and I never ebayed, where does this get us? Righttt, you're a retard. -
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:17:00 -
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Did I blame LV? I'm just stating that with the current state of the servers, it's a coin-toss between the fighting parties. Sometimes you win and you get to log in first, other times you lose and the opponent gets to log in first. ____________ Coming soon... |

Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:21:00 -
[486]
The balance of the game should not be decided by "if you can login" ..
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DARK DAY
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:22:00 -
[487]
Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 14:19:49
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: Mimio When Lotka had being attacked CJ, forum warriors cried here that lag made impossible their attack. Now, when RedSwarm is attacking JV, Lotka is crying here that lag made impossible their defend.
Lotka - Lag to the left, lag to the right, cannot defend, cannot attack...
...but no worries RA will guide you and teach you some stuff CTR+Q here, bit logofsky there keep your isk safe will meet you on ebay
I thought lame flame trolls around allowed on these boards? I was in RA and I never ebayed, where does this get us? Righttt, you're a retard.
I wrote here before, some things are sword with 2 edges. One side calling others haxors and all CCP's corrupted is ok, but getting other skeletons from closet is a bad things.
Proof? Is there a need for proof wilt lately threads on forums.
So, yes. ebay corporations are part of this game im afraid :P
Thank you for reaction though and calling other retards while thinking skill isnt skilled as so
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:26:00 -
[488]
Originally by: Goodtime Girl The balance of the game should not be decided by "if you can login" ..
Agreed. However 'til CCP sort out their servers, this is reality in some cases. ____________ Coming soon... |

THX22 RAGE
Caldari Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xiaodown The "1000 coalition pilots" thing doesn't become any more true the more times it's repeated.
Maximum "rapetrain" (ugh) forces: around 600. There were at the time of the node crash about 360 in M-R, and another 150 in 46D and perhaps another 3-4 gangs of 30 in systems further out (9-9, etc). It's not like we didn't have scouts on the look out for what was coming.
And the gang inside JV1V was (and I'm trying to be as honest as I can, here) at least 380 + carrier support. At the time the coalition forces started jumping in, local in JV1V was 440, almost all friendly (20 hostiles from the previous engagement). I know we had more than 300, because we maxed out gang size at 256, and started a 2nd gang, which had at least 80 people in it, and the capital fleet was in another gang.
Ok, so roughly 600 coalition forces, jumping into 400 LV+friends forces.
Now, on top of that, those bubbles (17 large bubbles) weren't there to look pretty, or cause lag... they were there to give people a hellaciously long trip to get out of the bubble and warp away. The minimum distance to travel to get out of the bubble was something like 30-40K, and in a battleship, that's a death sentance.
Of the 380ish at the gate, better than 200 were fully fitted snieprs at optimal range. The rest were support - ECM, tacklers, and ravens that can't insta-hit. Now, add to this the fact that there were enough carriers in system to give roughly 200 fighters worth of extra help
What I'm working up to is that even though those of us on the inside of JV1V were outnumbered, we had a complete tactical advantage. We had sniper spots all over the gate, we had fighter support, we had optimal range, and we had the bubbles up to hold people in place.
600 coalition vs. 400 LV+friends, with 200 fighters worth of support.
None of us wanted the node to crash. I was trying to up my framerate via anything I could - by the time the node crashed, I was down to 1024x768, 16 bit color, no z-buffer, no audio, and widescreen - to try and reduce any client side lag. We were ready for this fight, and I am pretty sure we could have given the "rapetrain" (ugh again) a run for its money.
So, saying "LV Wanted the node crash, lolol fofofo" is dumb. LV was ready for the fight. The node crash only hurt those already inside JV1V, and it gave the coalition a free pass to get into system without a fight.
I wish it would have played out differently. I wanted to see that fight.
Lol, well my friend, if BoB didn't had made the same thing on our first assault last week-end, there would not have been any LV ready to fight last night  MMORPG: Many Man Online Role Playing Girl
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Delerium Primus
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:37:00 -
[490]
Its a no win argument this from either side - okie maybe a little biased. Its horrible to say that I don't think alliance wars of this scale are possible on eve. Maybe in 2050 the servers and clients would be able to cope with that scale of fight, and lets face it, from whichever side you are on it would be one of the most awesome battles you'd ever take part in. I'm a little disheartened that we didn't get to fight - I was looking forward to it all.
Until that day.....
Del
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Delerium Primus
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:37:00 -
[491]
Its a no win argument this from either side - okie maybe a little biased. Its horrible to say that I don't think alliance wars of this scale are possible on eve. Maybe in 2050 the servers and clients would be able to cope with that scale of fight, and lets face it, from whichever side you are on it would be one of the most awesome battles you'd ever take part in. I'm a little disheartened that we didn't get to fight - I was looking forward to it all.
Until that day.....
Del
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Johncrab
Minmatar Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 -
[492]
Let's just kill LV, then MC, FIX and ISS. Let's leave BoD for last... you always leave what tastes better for last.
Then, then we can get back to playing the game...
Until someone finds out what alliance the devs are controling after BoD. Then we (EVE comunity) kill them all and we get back to playing the game...
Until we find out again what alliance the devs are controling... then...
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Cazziel
Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 -
[493]
Edited by: Cazziel on 16/02/2007 14:35:03 C'mon LV, no one petitioned the EC-P8R situation which was almost the same, they just destroyed something like 30 large towers and sh*tloads of capital construction thingies and took the station. BoB and co had an overwhelming forces that were camping the gates and every attempt to jump in would have led to helluva lagfest / nodecrash.
Just admit that it's risky business to bring any capital BPOs to 0.0 and especially building a titan, which takes ages to finish. You knew the risks and the force RedSwarm & coalition could bring in. Now live with it.
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Johncrab
Minmatar Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 -
[494]
Let's just kill LV, then MC, FIX and ISS. Let's leave BoD for last... you always leave what tastes better for last.
Then, then we can get back to playing the game...
Until someone finds out what alliance the devs are controling after BoD. Then we (EVE comunity) kill them all and we get back to playing the game...
Until we find out again what alliance the devs are controling... then...
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Cazziel
Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:38:00 -
[495]
Edited by: Cazziel on 16/02/2007 14:35:03 C'mon LV, no one petitioned the EC-P8R situation which was almost the same, they just destroyed something like 30 large towers and sh*tloads of capital construction thingies and took the station. BoB and co had an overwhelming forces that were camping the gates and every attempt to jump in would have led to helluva lagfest / nodecrash.
Just admit that it's risky business to bring any capital BPOs to 0.0 and especially building a titan, which takes ages to finish. You knew the risks and the force RedSwarm & coalition could bring in. Now live with it.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 -
[496]
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 -
[497]
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JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:49:00 -
[498]
Well, whatever CCP is planning on doing to try to 'encourage'/provide some advantage to smaller fleet/gang sizes (anti blob weapons/flanking manuevers etc.) I would suggest they bring it to the table soon.
If this is the wave of the future I have trouble believeing that either side will find it to be 'entertaining' large scale combat...
JP
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JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:49:00 -
[499]
Well, whatever CCP is planning on doing to try to 'encourage'/provide some advantage to smaller fleet/gang sizes (anti blob weapons/flanking manuevers etc.) I would suggest they bring it to the table soon.
If this is the wave of the future I have trouble believeing that either side will find it to be 'entertaining' large scale combat...
JP
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Bodziu
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:53:00 -
[500]
Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
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Nessa Aldeen
Baltic StarFleet Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:57:00 -
[501]
This lag could be felt half way cross the galaxy :(..No wonder..
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:06:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
I know I know man....it sucked. Missed ou ton a great time. Just to clarify, I sat at character login for 2 hours as well, and when we did get someone logged in there were like 15 in local after the crash lol, and then the node dumped from all the logging in. So our TS was ****ed like hell to....again noones fault, just a sad day for eve-o.
My question is...why does JV have other systems on the same node. It was easy to tell they were there, because when it went down another system close by did(4n or well cant remember the name but it was down exaclty the same time and for exaclty the same amount of time so clearly they were off the same node right?). I'm not hugely savy on all the actual server/node techy side, but could it not have been arranged on CCP's side to dedicate a node to JV knowing 1000 to 1500 pilots were about to make the devil **** himself and shake in his boots at the fight about to take place.
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Lunarra
Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:07:00 -
[503]
Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes. Unfortunally i agree you lost more than us because of it, and yes it might be unfair to lose this way i can't denie it.
LV had still a few pilots logged in the system. See that 90% of us and both sides were unable to log in. The problem is that 10% of 1000 is much more able to do something that 10% of 300 giving you give practically no chances.
For those who claim that the coalition crashed the node on purpouse i'd say 1 thing:
DO YOU REALLY BELIEV THAT WE SPEND 3 HOURS AT 4AM WEEK DAY STARING AT A BLACK SCREEN SO A TINY PROPORTION OF OTHER PPLE CAN HAVE FUN CAUSE MY DUTY IN THE FLEET IS: NODE CRASHING?
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Delerium Primus
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:08:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
Whilst i share your frustration, I dont share how you present it and the flaming. This isn't certainly isn't the voice of LV and I do ask that you please restrain yourself from posting like that.
Del
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced.
I'm just an outsider looking in here, having followed the whole incident without much comment at all, and very impartial about the whole thing.
Except, I seem to recall LV's own people saying you had 300 or so people....then it was 380 people..then 400+ people, and now 550 people + friends. Uhm...Can you just please make up your mind on how much exactly you had. 
I'm not trying to make a snide remark, but this is beginning to sound silly and like that fishing trip your friend joe schmoe went on and he's describing the size of the fish he caught to several people, and everytime the fish becomes 5 inches longer. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |

Tom Gunn
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:15:00 -
[506]
You can not blame players for what happened last night - the fundamental problem of the crash was a result of the ccp servers not being able to handle the load and type of combat they themselves have designed the game around, which is huge fleet engagements and pos warfare.
Are ccp to blame ? well node crashes are nothing new, this issue has gone on for years when fleets amass and has never been suitably resolved. The only thing ccp didn't have control over was the sheer scale of last nights fight but i'd argue 600 combatants or 1000+ like last night, a node crash was inevitable. The servers simply do not handle the load of mass fleet engagements.
I believe the vast majority of players involved on either side wanted a fight - Isn't it what we all dream Eve was like ? Huge fleet engagments like some epic star wars battles with frigates harrassing battleships who assault capital ships and huge space structures?
Players didn't go out of their way to cause a node crash, but any player who had given any realistic thought as to what would happen, must of known that the only inevitable outcome was lag death and node crashes.
Which is what happened, and the following race to log back on as quickly as possible to gain control of the gate. a race that took hours to even log back in.....
LV didn't want to risk defending a huge asset like a titan with a fleet of 100, so they defended it with all they could muster, the coalition didn't want to attack a fleet of 400ships with 200, so they attacked with a force they thought would survive a jump in and win the field of battle - to do otherwise would be a waste of effort.
Players did what they could to attack/defend in an environment yet again is proven incapable of sustaining the dynamic and game eve is designed around.
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Qu'ut Nez
Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:35:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Lunarra
I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes.
It's been mentioned that LV were told to relog every 2 mins if they couldn't get in. That would apparently put them in the back of the queue every time. ------ [SILD] |

PrevedIsBobrujska
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:38:00 -
[508]
At the start of thread LV had 300 friendlys. After few pages they had 350, etc. And on the last page they had "550 or even more"
I even affraid surmise how they had in jv after few pages later.
It's a fun topic, I read it all day with a smile.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:39:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Qu'ut Nez
Originally by: Lunarra
I think both sides been equally affected by the nod crashes.
It's been mentioned that LV were told to relog every 2 mins if they couldn't get in. That would apparently put them in the back of the queue every time.
Maybe, but i think it holds no relevence, because noone could get in i relogged many times myself,as well did many folks. Never actually even got logged in in JV. I was in the system for 2 hours and never seen space
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Taison
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:43:00 -
[510]
I dont get it-
When u siege c-j with 400 and the node crashes u cry and whine that its not fair and that it helped RA and that its's impossible to siege a system under node crashes and it favours the defender
Now u are on the defending site and u whine about quite the opposite..... (for that info read the 20 pages before ^))
Now dont u find it a bit strange ^)?
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batloard
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:48:00 -
[511]
I can be assed to read 20 pages.. can anyone confirm that the titan in construction was destroyed?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:48:00 -
[512]
Personally, considering what just happened to the node, several times over. I would think it would be hard for CCP not to replace everything that was lost in that battle.
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Kanthras
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:48:00 -
[513]
I'm sad that I could not find the time to participate in what is probably the largest battle of EVE up to this point. I'm however far, far more sad that it was no actual battle, that there was no actual fighting. Just one huge lagfest of epic proportions. And there's no blame on anyone but CCP tbh.
Such a shame, I'm sure everyone in LV would've preferred to go down fighting. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |

Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:48:00 -
[514]
Originally by: DARK DAY Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:52:07 Edited by: DARK DAY on 16/02/2007 13:50:54
Originally by: Sun Ra http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/MajorLag/2007.jpg?t=1171599257
Thats just stupid, and those of you there who whined about lag/crash are stupid also 
Really whats the point of having 500+ in a system
To kill goons +friends?
My point is you wont be killing **** cos the lag and node crashes
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Thoric Frosthammer
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:48:00 -
[515]
Basically 20 pages of:
LV: Whine whine whine whine
Everyone else: We have to put up with the same lag, stfu. Maybe if everyone hadn't been on the same grid at the gate with the 25!?!?!? bubbles you'd have been able to get someone to log back on and defend.
Bottom line, nothing that happened last night is the least bit unusual for large fleet battles, and noone else got reimbursed for the fact they lost stuff to lag without decent fights, so you shouldn't either. You made your bed, now lie in it.
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Arathrael
Gallente Nothing To Declare
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:49:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone And the goal was not to fail. So in fact we planned to insure victory with a show of force that they could not counter(you know, one that can get past 25 bubbles, 300 to 400 man fleet, 200 fighter drone). What should we have done, jump 10 pilots in at a time lol aka dead, or only bring 50 people lol aka dead.
(Speaking as a neutral) The thing is, you couldn't win cleanly. It was impossible.
As it is, if someone has a sector defended in sufficient numbers, you can't bring enough numbers to beat them without crashing the node.
So basically, your only option other than, you know, not attacking, was to do just that, bring in lots of players and crash the node - and that's deliberate, unless you really thought the node would somehow hold up.
But then, as soon as it crashes, that is unfair. Defenders typically have an inherent advantage in these situations. They're typically already in position, prepared, and they'll have situational defenses laid down. Potentially, it's more than enough to balance any numerical deficit.
But a node crash wipes that out.
There isn't an obvious solution. You can't have unlimited numbers in a system, you can't expect anyone defending something to voluntarily reduce their numbers, and you can't expect anyone attacking to not bring enough numbers to have a chance against those defending. All that leaves us with is the concept that there is a point at which you can have something sufficiently well defended that a simple full frontal assault, even with ten times the numbers of defenders, will fail - which in game terms in its simplest form would mean limiting the number of people allowed into a sector. You heard me.
Without that, as it looks from this, in EVE, when you get to that tipping point anything other than raw numbers doesn't matter. Bring enough numbers and you'll win, no matter how well organised the defenders and no matter how badly coordinated the attackers. Flood the node, crash it, keep zerging, overwhelm.
That's... not a fun game guys.
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Taison
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:50:00 -
[517]
Originally by: batloard I can be assed to read 20 pages.. can anyone confirm that the titan in construction was destroyed?
yeah it's dead
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:50:00 -
[518]
Originally by: batloard I can be assed to read 20 pages.. can anyone confirm that the titan in construction was destroyed?
Yup the titan in production has been oficially destroyed lus the pos and another pos of ours has gone up in its place :)
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:50:00 -
[519]
CCP needs to do something bout this, god kows what tho, but no amount of hardware/code will allow 300vs300 any time soon
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Moph
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:52:00 -
[520]
Edited by: Moph on 16/02/2007 15:55:22 tick tock
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:58:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Cadela Fria Except, I seem to recall LV's own people saying you had 300 or so people....then it was 380 people..then 400+ people, and now 550 people + friends. Uhm...Can you just please make up your mind on how much exactly you had.
450 people in local just before the big jump.
2 friendly gangs, 1st: 256 people, 2nd 80-90 (conflicting TS reports)
15-20 hostiles
Roughly 90 unganged friendlies.
Eph.
Kill Board | Recruiting
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:58:00 -
[522]
Edited by: XirtamVotf on 16/02/2007 15:56:30 Well TBH..CA/GS/and Snigg jumped first.. 400+ into system. Fair fight all the way around.. so just for the record.. there was NO 1000 jump in.
We were just as ready to fight as LV were..too bad it didnt happen, would have been fun.
But.. on the other hand , we have been killed the same way by LV forces jumping into them,no load etc.
The point is.. it was totally a even fight at the onset, it grew exponentially as time went on .
As for reimbursement I think NOT.
As for Princess Aricia , guess she was tired of being a TURD..and a useless meatshield... thx Chowy Ole boy.. Political lessons 101 FTW
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Qu'ut Nez
Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:04:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Arathrael
Without that, as it looks from this, in EVE, when you get to that tipping point anything other than raw numbers doesn't matter. Bring enough numbers and you'll win, no matter how well organised the defenders and no matter how badly coordinated the attackers. Flood the node, crash it, keep zerging, overwhelm.
That's... not a fun game guys.
But that implies a few more things. Assembling a large defense fleet will at some point mean that an equal fleet jumping in will crash the node. If the attacking fleet is 10 times bigger it doesn't matter, because an equal one will cause a crash anyway. So should a defender limit himself? Should the FC stop inviting people to his defense gang and tell the remaining members to log off because "if we put up a bigger defense, we won't get a fight without a node crash"?
At the same time, the attacker is doing the same thing. Inviting everyone that wants to join and not turning down anyone.
Neither side wants to be the first to sacrifice their strength in order to save the node, if LV could have put 1000+ at that gate they would have. ------ [SILD] |

Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:08:00 -
[524]
Edited by: Mimio on 16/02/2007 16:05:43
Originally by: Lorth Personally, considering what just happened to the node, several times over. I would think it would be hard for CCP not to replace everything that was lost in that battle.
I would think it would be hard for CCP to replace ANYTHING that YOU lost in that battle. Red, Goons, TCF, IACs, SNIGGs have got clear advantage over Lotka Volterra. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |

The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:09:00 -
[525]
LV blames their allies for failing to time strontium;
LV loses their allies;
LV fails to time their own strontium.
I'm satisfied.
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Thoric Frosthammer
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:11:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Qu'ut Nez
Neither side wants to be the first to sacrifice their strength in order to save the node, if LV could have put 1000+ at that gate they would have.
And that would have been an error, just like it was this time. Look, there's several lessons I took from fighting BoB in ASCN, but one of them was this:
The tactics of gate camping don't work in large fleet combat. When you camp your entire force on the gate and they jump in you will all crash, and due to CCP's game mechanics, the people jumping INTO the system are prioritized for login. Once your entire fleet is on the same grid, near a bubbled gate, none of you will be able to log in without crashing the local grid.
The answer is to split your fleet. Put defenders on the gate, put the rest of your fleet on a far away grid ready to jump in. The ones far away stand a decent chance of logging in fast enough to defend the system while the people near the gate on both sides crash over and over. With a lower count near the gate, you might actually be able to log in some of your gate defenders too to do some damage.
Anyway, thats my .02.
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Rokatar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:11:00 -
[527]
Edited by: Rokatar on 16/02/2007 16:11:47 Edited by: Rokatar on 16/02/2007 16:11:08 sorry posted with wrong character
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Xade
Caldari K.T.P
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:13:00 -
[528]
Originally by: XirtamVotf Edited by: XirtamVotf on 16/02/2007 15:56:30 Well TBH..CA/GS/and Snigg jumped first.. 400+ into system. Fair fight all the way around.. so just for the record.. there was NO 1000 jump in.
We were just as ready to fight as LV were..too bad it didnt happen, would have been fun.
But.. on the other hand , we have been killed the same way by LV forces jumping into them,no load etc.
The point is.. it was totally a even fight at the onset, it grew exponentially as time went on .
As for reimbursement I think NOT.
As for Princess Aricia , guess she was tired of being a TURD..and a useless meatshield... thx Chowy Ole boy.. Political lessons 101 FTW
The whole problem is After the nodes crashed i heard LV then tried to login for the next 2-3 hours to no avail. Because the nodes give priority to jump gates over logins GS and friends were able to move several gangs of 100+ from m-r into the system to gain control while LV were left helplessly trying to login again.
My sources tells me LV spent all day preparing for this and by the sounds of it would have probably put down any enemy force of equivelant size to their forces.
Also i have seen many screenshots of coalition gangs which had a somewhat unusual amount of frigates in it. Maybe this was the coalitions intended strategy and certainly isn't something i would put past GS afterall they have admitted to using client side hacks in the past.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:17:00 -
[529]
Dunno why LV keeps going on about how they "had the system defended" and whatnot. There were 300+ coalition friendlies logged off IN JV1V that (if they'd been able to get in instead of staring at a black screen) would've warped in behind all those snipers at the gate with their "noob tackler ships" and utterly destroyed that camp. So, LV did NOT "defend their system" seeing as a bunch of folks got in the night before. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!! |

XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:18:00 -
[530]
Thats NOT TRUE at all...ask anyone that was there, we all had problems logging in... I personnaly waited 2 + hours to log in.. and was moved once by CCP to M-r.
So as the coalition logged back in and very frustrated I might add, we did our deed, all ships were appropriatly named Coathangar, as was the Op itself for the baby Titan
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:18:00 -
[531]
I would like to point out LV had no chance to win.
CA had 120+ BS fitting T2 RA I'm sure had all BS fitting with T2 IAC/TCF I'm sure had the same
Goons yah they had most of the support ships but they still have many very good figheters flying T2 BS also.
We had (CA/GS) over 100+ capital ships thats almost 1/2 of the LV fleet. When we tried to jump in I think only 5 made it.
Someone said the POS was almost at 1/2 sheilds haha funny I was at the pos it was at 25% when we started to shoot it.. Nice try I got money you were not even in the system.
Sorry for the lose LV I'm sure it hurts but you are just a person standing infront of a train. This train can't be stopped. You can save some isk and move out when you can because its only time.
You saw the numbers we can come with do you really think you can stop it?
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:22:00 -
[532]
just for peoples info the local in jv1v before the node crash, local peaked at 1365 (ouch)
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:22:00 -
[533]
GJ Coalition.
If there are any reimbursements on account of the bad server conditions.. it will be a great injustice.
There is only one word to describe what is happening in this EVE wide war .... and that word is:
escalation
There are enough people ****ed off with BoB and LV and their allies/pets that most battles taking place will be marred by overwhelming numbers.
Lets face it..
BoB, LV and pets are gonna have their assets wiped off the face of the galaxy.
Then all will be well again in EVE and balance will be restored.
Keep the rapetrain going to its final destination.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:22:00 -
[534]
Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 16:20:12
Originally by: Mimio Edited by: Mimio on 16/02/2007 16:05:43
Originally by: Lorth Personally, considering what just happened to the node, several times over. I would think it would be hard for CCP not to replace everything that was lost in that battle.
I would think it would be hard for CCP to replace ANYTHING that YOU lost in that battle. Red, Goons, TCF, IACs, SNIGGs have got clear advantage over Lotka Volterra.
I lost nothing at all in that battle.
The point I was trying to make was, considering how unstable the servers where, and how wierd they act when they are in that condition, it tends to be pure luck as to who comes out on top of the leg fest.
That being said I don't think they will do anything about it though.
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Jalie
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:26:00 -
[535]
Originally by: XirtamVotf all ships were appropriatly named Coathangar, as was the Op itself for the baby Titan
Wow.
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shuckstar
Gallente Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:26:00 -
[536]
Im completely nuetral in this and dont care who wins tbh, but seems to me from reading all posts Lv had good chance of winnng but due to ccp and the node deaths this chance was taken away from them. Node Crash's FTL 
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:28:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Lorth Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 16:20:12
Originally by: Mimio Edited by: Mimio on 16/02/2007 16:05:43
Originally by: Lorth Personally, considering what just happened to the node, several times over. I would think it would be hard for CCP not to replace everything that was lost in that battle.
I would think it would be hard for CCP to replace ANYTHING that YOU lost in that battle. Red, Goons, TCF, IACs, SNIGGs have got clear advantage over Lotka Volterra.
I lost nothing at all in that battle.
The point I was trying to make was, considering how unstable the servers where, and how wierd they act when they are in that condition, it tends to be pure luck as to who comes out on top of the leg fest.
That being said I don't think they will do anything about it though.
Ofc not, imagine if an EVE system could hold 1500 people with 0 lag. The outcome of that battle would be obvious. -
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:28:00 -
[538]
Originally by: shuckstar Im completely nuetral in this and dont care who wins tbh, but seems to me from reading all posts Lv had good chance of winnng but due to ccp and the node deaths this chance was taken away from them. Node Crash's FTL 
Borked reality check FTL -
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:36:00 -
[539]
Hehe.... the train is on the move Nez,,, dont see it stopping anytime soon, too many seedlings to plant.
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:39:00 -
[540]
had to be in the thread that rocked eve! i gave up trying after 3 hours, woke up today and got insta podded at gate 
has there been an official statement from CCP yet?
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Evenfall Phoenix
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:46:00 -
[541]
Originally by: shuckstar Im completely nuetral in this and dont care who wins tbh, but seems to me from reading all posts Lv had good chance of winnng but due to ccp and the node deaths this chance was taken away from them. Node Crash's FTL 
Your intel is wrong. The fight would have been long but ragoon and co. had been planning this operation for a while. On top of the forces they jumped in they had a bunch logged off in the system waiting to log in and warp to the gate to hit the snipers. Add in a 100+ capital fleet waiting to jump in. LV would have put up a grand fight, no doubt at all, but in the end there is no way they could have held off against such insurmountable odds. Yes, lag is a *****, but if LV wants to camp the gate with 200-450+ then ragoon and co. had to jump in neough to break the defensive lines, don't blame them for using sound tactics.
Should anything get reimbursed? No. As precidence has dictated CCP does not reimburse for fights like this. To start now would be absolutly unfair to all those that were on the losing end of previous circumastances.
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Lord Sol
Gallente Forgotton Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:53:00 -
[542]
The blame lays clearly with CCP .... they cheer with the increasing number of players, they introduced POS's.
Enough Said.
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:57:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Your intel is wrong. The fight would have been long but ragoon and co. had been planning this operation for a while. On top of the forces they jumped in they had a bunch logged off in the system waiting to log in and warp to the gate to hit the snipers. Add in a 100+ capital fleet waiting to jump in. LV would have put up a grand fight, no doubt at all, but in the end there is no way they could have held off against such insurmountable odds. Yes, lag is a *****, but if LV wants to camp the gate with 200-450+ then ragoon and co. had to jump in neough to break the defensive lines, don't blame them for using sound tactics.
Should anything get reimbursed? No. As precidence has dictated CCP does not reimburse for fights like this. To start now would be absolutly unfair to all those that were on the losing end of previous circumastances.
spies infiltrating the opponents voice servers, logoff tactics.. i'm starting to wonder whether the claims from goons (and co) that LV were trying to induce lag were hypocrisy at best.
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:01:00 -
[544]
It's too bad it didn't turn into a proper fight tbh, that one would have been one for the record books. But given the situation I don't see how anyone could have expected it to go different. Of course RAGOON + allies brought everyone they could, and of course LV + allies bubbled the gate like mad. Fact of the matter is both sides had to deal with lag, but the Coalition got the job done anyway.
Bottom line is: LV ****ed off too many people 
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Brka
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:08:00 -
[545]
My gosh. Here I am sitting at work laughing myself silly and enjoying the smart remarks throughout this thread. Smack Talk TV entertainment at its finest.
Smokin.
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:08:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Nez Perces GJ Coalition.
If there are any reimbursements on account of the bad server conditions.. it will be a great injustice.
There is only one word to describe what is happening in this EVE wide war .... and that word is:
escalation
There are enough people ****ed off with BoB and LV and their allies/pets that most battles taking place will be marred by overwhelming numbers.
Lets face it..
BoB, LV and pets are gonna have their assets wiped off the face of the galaxy.
Then all will be well again in EVE and balance will be restored.
Keep the rapetrain going to its final destination.
You sound rather frustrated nes, why?
I think the coalition did a good job by mustering soo much force, on the other hand the war isn't over and if it takes one night to kill one pos it will be a loooooonnnnnnggggggg war 
So back too the pew-pew you guys. 
"It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you." |

Sargonius
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:10:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
Ill be 100% honest with you Bod...this totally not cool at all! and there is not fun in that! Not even able to be able to attack or defend isnt cool at all! But keep this in mind , last week the same thing happened to us when BoB entred in M-R when our fleet was trying to block the way to JV1 ... this time , it was not you or BoB that couldnt relog at all , but all of us! How come that all bob fleet were all connected and us not able to log in , i CANT explain it at all! We dont control that . When the nod crash , we all try to log back ASAP and pray we can! Last week we lost that but yesterday it seems that you guys were not able to reconnect at all , and even at least the half of our fleet.
CCP need to do something about it , cause i dont enjoy either win or lost by being the first to log in . Its s.u.c.ks :(
Cant anyone understand that??
Should we use half our stenght just in case of node crash? should you use les people just in case the node crash? NO .... that game need load of perfomence improvement.
None cant do anything about that but CCP . Stop thowing rocks at each others ! are we a bunch of kids???!
Jeez
Comon CCP , your call!!!!
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:19:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Sargonius
Originally by: Bodziu Im relly sad and ****ed off now what happen in jv1. We had 550 or even more friendlys in sector when POS go out reinforced. Then enemy come by gate and node crash. I cant even log in beacause server kick peoples from it or node crash by next 2 hours. I stand up for defend home not go to work not sleep just for defend house, but I get ****** by game - server. When enememy come node crash we cant log but enemy was in local. How that can be possibile? Several node crash later i still cant log in but from peoples in it looks like enemy get adventage in node crash beacause ours whole fleet cant log in. I dont bleme enemy they come destroy us but what i can do with that ******* whole no lag in server and kicked defenders from server and they cant log in after that. 2 hours siting on log in screen is anoying. I would like thx CCP that i pay for this game and they ******* me.
Bod
Ill be 100% honest with you Bod...this totally not cool at all! and there is not fun in that! Not even able to be able to attack or defend isnt cool at all! But keep this in mind , last week the same thing happened to us when BoB entred in M-R when our fleet was trying to block the way to JV1 ... this time , it was not you or BoB that couldnt relog at all , but all of us! How come that all bob fleet were all connected and us not able to log in , i CANT explain it at all! We dont control that . When the nod crash , we all try to log back ASAP and pray we can! Last week we lost that but yesterday it seems that you guys were not able to reconnect at all , and even at least the half of our fleet.
CCP need to do something about it , cause i dont enjoy either win or lost by being the first to log in . Its s.u.c.ks :(
Cant anyone understand that??
Should we use half our stenght just in case of node crash? should you use les people just in case the node crash? NO .... that game need load of perfomence improvement.
None cant do anything about that but CCP . Stop thowing rocks at each others ! are we a bunch of kids???!
Jeez
Comon CCP , your call!!!!
Strong words, lots of ****.  But I agree, I dont mind loosing any battle or any item in any game as long as I'm capable of manouvering my ship. The only time i get angry with a loss is when it happens with out me being given the chance to respond.
Should all losses for this "fight" be reimbursed? I honestly dont know. Some arguments are strong against YES, some are strong against NO.
Game on I guess... 
Cheers, Lowa
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:32:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 16/02/2007 17:29:47 To replace what was lost would mean the CCP would need to go back to ALL the petitions stemming from large scale fleet battles and lag lost/node crash and replace them. It is not likely that they will show favoratism by replacing anything that was lost because CCP dont do that right? Right. If they were to replace all this then they would owe alot of folks alot of stuff from countless battles in the past.
Everyone knew what was at stake, everyone went knowing it...everything that was lost is lost. What we can only hope for is that CCP will effort to the strongest degree to correct these issues. They are now aware that yes 1000 people may be in a system trying to fight. Maybe they are efforting now to see all the ways that this can be corrected for the future so we dont have to deal with a 15$ monthly charge that is what we pay for.
All both sides did was try damn hard to play and fight. sux we could not...I have confidence that CCP will resolve the issues, they were smart enough to develope eve, now they must be smart enough to correct it. Prolly just need a crap load more servers/nodes to span the load out a bit.
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zevex
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:36:00 -
[550]
The fact of the matter is that the when mass jumps into system started, the node crashed. JV1 seemed to be on a separate node then the neighboring system M-R. As the node slowly recovered, people jumping in from M-R were loading in JV1, while the pilots that were already there prior to the node crash, could not log back in. Jump ins were given priority to log ins in the system, that is undeniable. Had the node held, the insurgent party sill would have made it into system, but their numbers would have been thinned significantly due to their being trapped in 15-20 large bubbles, and they may have been manageable. The fact that they were able to jump into system while those that had held the gate were attempting to log back in, allowed them to escape said bubbles unscathed.
Having your enemy engage you thru a bottle neck is a tactic that has been proven time and time again to allow smaller forces to effectively defend against larger numbers. However, if somehow all defenders were to black out (i.e. node crash), and upon awakening find all the insurgents have ômagicallyö passed thru said bottle beck and are now behind them. Well, the results speak for themselves.
This game is one based the on the theoretical science and physics of space flight. There should be no ômagicö.
The one undeniable truth in all of this is that neither side can state, with 100% certainty, that they would have been the victor had the node been able to handle the load. Anyone that says otherwise is dillusional.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:42:00 -
[551]
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 16/02/2007 17:38:55
Originally by: zevex The fact of the matter is that the when mass jumps into system started, the node crashed. JV1 seemed to be on a separate node then the neighboring system M-R. As the node slowly recovered, people jumping in from M-R were loading in JV1, while the pilots that were already there prior to the node crash, could not log back in. Jump ins were given priority to log ins in the system, that is undeniable. Had the node held, the insurgent party sill would have made it into system, but their numbers would have been thinned significantly due to their being trapped in 15-20 large bubbles, and they may have been manageable. The fact that they were able to jump into system while those that had held the gate were attempting to log back in, allowed them to escape said bubbles unscathed.
Having your enemy engage you thru a bottle neck is a tactic that has been proven time and time again to allow smaller forces to effectively defend against larger numbers. However, if somehow all defenders were to black out (i.e. node crash), and upon awakening find all the insurgents have ômagicallyö passed thru said bottle beck and are now behind them. Well, the results speak for themselves.
This game is one based the on the theoretical science and physics of space flight. There should be no ômagicö.
The one undeniable truth in all of this is that neither side can state, with 100% certainty, that they would have been the victor had the node been able to handle the load. Anyone that says otherwise is dillusional.
Man i dont get that. Everyone keeps talking about having priority or the ability to log in first if jumping in not camping. That may be true in the code or whatever, but I was not able to log in for 2 hours after my jump, along with our 100 man gang...noone could log in regardless of who had what priority, hence the fact that MANY, and i mean MANY of our gang were placed back into m-r due to stuck petetions and the fact that the node just wasn't comming up until there was not a zillion folks trying to log in. CCP know for a damn fact that we were not getting in either. Everyone was screwed and priority in this case did not play a role at all.
All i wanted was a fight!!
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Eversor
FW Inc Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:45:00 -
[552]
If CCP replaces anything for LV I expect them to replace several of my ships due to node deaths fighting BoB in BKG 2-3 years ago. And yes several of those node deaths were due to mass fleet jump ins.
When the node goes down its all about who logs back in and gets organized first. In this case the Mass numbers of Coalition forces helped hold the line.
If LV and BoB didn't want to get swarmed they shouldn't have gone p---ing people off throughout the Eve Universe.
Only make enough enemies that you can effectively handle.
GJ Coalition forces.
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Corak
UA Industry
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:53:00 -
[553]
LV and Co shtf about outnumbered !! 10 months ago when you with V and anathere aliances atack RED and blobed us 400 vs 100 every day you don`t cry  
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:57:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Eversor If CCP replaces anything for LV I expect them to replace several of my ships due to node deaths fighting BoB in BKG 2-3 years ago. And yes several of those node deaths were due to mass fleet jump ins.
When the node goes down its all about who logs back in and gets organized first. In this case the Mass numbers of Coalition forces helped hold the line.
If LV and BoB didn't want to get swarmed they shouldn't have gone p---ing people off throughout the Eve Universe.
Only make enough enemies that you can effectively handle.
GJ Coalition forces.
IF they replaced anything, it would be the POS i would think.. or everyones ship AND the POS so the whole thing could start again.
if they DID replace LVs POS, though.. we'll see the forums crash from the complaints.
if they DON'T, then everyone who can round up 500 or so people will now know all they have to do is zerg a system they want to take something from and endure the repeated logins longer than your enemy.
personally i'd like to see them beef up the nodes, reset everything and see what REALLY would have happened without the lag.. that or just leave it as it stands and find a resolution that actually resolves the lag.
either way, i don't think this is an easy call for CCP. i really don't like the exploitable doors this opens either way..
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MINERALMAN
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:57:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Corak LV and Co shtf about outnumbered !! 10 months ago when you with V and anathere aliances atack RED and blobed us 400 vs 100 every day you don`t cry  
100%!!!! Got cool screens from JLO system. There was about 300+ "Coalition"(Lv,-V- and others) in local.
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Wylker
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:59:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Corak LV and Co shtf about outnumbered !! 10 months ago when you with V and anathere aliances atack RED and blobed us 400 vs 100 every day you don`t cry  
Did you read any of the other posts in this thread? No? Ok, just making sure.
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ToyotomiX
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:07:00 -
[557]
Not to derail a discussion on the validity of crashing nodes to win a fight, I am finding it really hard to root for anyone but the underdogs (LV/ISS) with all of the postings from the Goons/CA regarding 'rapetrains' and 'coat hangars'...smacktalk is fun, but that is a bit too far.
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ToyotomiX
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:07:00 -
[558]
Not to derail a discussion on the validity of crashing nodes to win a fight, I am finding it really hard to root for anyone but the underdogs (LV/ISS) with all of the postings from the Goons/CA regarding 'rapetrains' and 'coat hangars'...smacktalk is fun, but that is a bit too far.
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Coeleth
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:08:00 -
[559]
I think it's a horrible shame that the server architecture can't meet the demands of this war. As an interested onlooker, I want to read about epic battles, not whether the combatants could move for lag or even log in.
I feel badly for LV, not because I like them, but because I know that had I been in that situation, I'd have wanted to go down fighting, not staring at a log-in screen.
All involved in this war are going to have to come up with new battle strategies, because blob war is going to result in nights like this every time.
Unless CCP can magically re-write the server code to run on supercomputers or something. 
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Coeleth
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:08:00 -
[560]
I think it's a horrible shame that the server architecture can't meet the demands of this war. As an interested onlooker, I want to read about epic battles, not whether the combatants could move for lag or even log in.
I feel badly for LV, not because I like them, but because I know that had I been in that situation, I'd have wanted to go down fighting, not staring at a log-in screen.
All involved in this war are going to have to come up with new battle strategies, because blob war is going to result in nights like this every time.
Unless CCP can magically re-write the server code to run on supercomputers or something. 
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:09:00 -
[561]
Originally by: TheArchJudge Edited by: TheArchJudge on 16/02/2007 17:37:37
Originally by: Cupdeez I would like to point out LV had no chance to win.
CA had 120+ BS fitting T2 RA I'm sure had all BS fitting with T2 IAC/TCF I'm sure had the same
Goons yah they had most of the support ships but they still have many very good figheters flying T2 BS also.
We had (CA/GS) over 100+ capital ships thats almost 1/2 of the LV fleet. When we tried to jump in I think only 5 made it.
Someone said the POS was almost at 1/2 sheilds haha funny I was at the pos it was at 25% when we started to shoot it.. Nice try I got money you were not even in the system.
Sorry for the lose LV I'm sure it hurts but you are just a person standing infront of a train. This train can't be stopped. You can save some isk and move out when you can because its only time.
You saw the numbers we can come with do you really think you can stop it?
The numbers on the coalition side where indeed impressive but you forget the tactical use of the titan.
Sides, flame, smack and alliance ego's aside, the fight that could have unfolded there in playable conditions would have been epic and worth remembering every second of it, no matter who would have won or lost, none of the sides and not even ccp can be blamed IMO for what happened, just the technology isn't there for that kind of battle to take place anytime soon.
Life goes on ~Taj
Edit: Typo's
Yes, I agree CCP was the cause of the lack of fun, but regardless that POS was coming down no matter what.
Even if our 600 support ships got killed by your 200 snipers our 80 dreads were going to jump in and take down your POS. Nothing you could do about that... Even if you jumpped 50 dreads in we would still have taken the POS down before you could kill us all.
Our objective was easy.. Make sure LV does not get this titan out of the cooker.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:09:00 -
[562]
Originally by: TheArchJudge Edited by: TheArchJudge on 16/02/2007 17:37:37
Originally by: Cupdeez I would like to point out LV had no chance to win.
CA had 120+ BS fitting T2 RA I'm sure had all BS fitting with T2 IAC/TCF I'm sure had the same
Goons yah they had most of the support ships but they still have many very good figheters flying T2 BS also.
We had (CA/GS) over 100+ capital ships thats almost 1/2 of the LV fleet. When we tried to jump in I think only 5 made it.
Someone said the POS was almost at 1/2 sheilds haha funny I was at the pos it was at 25% when we started to shoot it.. Nice try I got money you were not even in the system.
Sorry for the lose LV I'm sure it hurts but you are just a person standing infront of a train. This train can't be stopped. You can save some isk and move out when you can because its only time.
You saw the numbers we can come with do you really think you can stop it?
The numbers on the coalition side where indeed impressive but you forget the tactical use of the titan.
Sides, flame, smack and alliance ego's aside, the fight that could have unfolded there in playable conditions would have been epic and worth remembering every second of it, no matter who would have won or lost, none of the sides and not even ccp can be blamed IMO for what happened, just the technology isn't there for that kind of battle to take place anytime soon.
Life goes on ~Taj
Edit: Typo's
Yes, I agree CCP was the cause of the lack of fun, but regardless that POS was coming down no matter what.
Even if our 600 support ships got killed by your 200 snipers our 80 dreads were going to jump in and take down your POS. Nothing you could do about that... Even if you jumpped 50 dreads in we would still have taken the POS down before you could kill us all.
Our objective was easy.. Make sure LV does not get this titan out of the cooker.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[563]
Originally by: ToyotomiX Not to derail a discussion on the validity of crashing nodes to win a fight, I am finding it really hard to root for anyone but the underdogs (LV/ISS) with all of the postings from the Goons/CA regarding 'rapetrains' and 'coat hangars'...smacktalk is fun, but that is a bit too far.
Ask yourself why all these alliances have gotten so ticked off. I mean ticked off enough to band together in such fashion to wipe the floor w/ numbers in the 1000+'s. Ask yourself how many people are ****ed at LV and Bob and why. Ask yourself alot of questions m8. Maybe its nothing more than giving someone a taste of their own medicine... maybe??? If they are upset, then they know now excatly how others felt from their chest beating, post, and flaming from the last 2 years when they were so called the top of the food chain...
Does the word Karma ring a bell???
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[564]
Originally by: ToyotomiX Not to derail a discussion on the validity of crashing nodes to win a fight, I am finding it really hard to root for anyone but the underdogs (LV/ISS) with all of the postings from the Goons/CA regarding 'rapetrains' and 'coat hangars'...smacktalk is fun, but that is a bit too far.
Ask yourself why all these alliances have gotten so ticked off. I mean ticked off enough to band together in such fashion to wipe the floor w/ numbers in the 1000+'s. Ask yourself how many people are ****ed at LV and Bob and why. Ask yourself alot of questions m8. Maybe its nothing more than giving someone a taste of their own medicine... maybe??? If they are upset, then they know now excatly how others felt from their chest beating, post, and flaming from the last 2 years when they were so called the top of the food chain...
Does the word Karma ring a bell???
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M'lana
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:01:00 -
[565]
Looks like people were complaining that other people just don't lay down and die. Just imagine how boring it would be if that were the case.
As for JV1V, LV had a right to defend it with all they could muster, and the coalition also had the right to attack it with everything they had. Hurling insults at one another for playing a game to the best of their ability is just tedious. If we get to the point where we are saying 'Sorry, we can't go in that system, the enemy has 400 people camping it' because they know if they bring even equal numbers there would be lag (and so people shouting on the forums and complaining that each other were exploiting)then where would we be?
With two 400+ fleets sitting either side a gate, getting bored, thats where.
On a more serious, tactical note;
I don't know how far the Titan was from finishing, but if the Coalition had that many maybe they should have blockaded their own side like LV did, then send the balance of their forces around another way, tearing through other sections of space that were completely undefended.
LV would of had to choose to defend their Titan or defend everything else. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Either way, the combination of people's behaviour on all sides has been quite derogatory to all concerned. Whatever side wins this Great War, EVE will go on. You will all join other corps, or other alliances, and old friends will turn and kill each other. Just play the game, kill the enemy, and if you lose don't sweat it and if you win don't wave it about.
btw. Grats to whomever on the D2 Titan kill. Not been the week for supercapitals ;)
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Lemonx If CCP allows node-crashing to be a valid tactic to gain an advantage, the game as we know it will be destroyed. It doesnt matter if it was planned or not. If large quantity becomes an 'I-WIN' button over quality, a large part of the playerbase will lose the incentive to play. I dont care about LV's Titan, but CCP must not allow this to happen.
Short-term solutions i can see is either to limit number of people in a system, or not restarting nodes when they crash. Both solutions are bad because it gives the defending part the I-WIN button to fend of any attacks.
Based on the few coherent mature posts in this thread it seems that LV would not have lost the POS if it wasnt for the node crashes, it would have gotten its shield high enough. CCP can not allow people to gain huge advantages by crashing nodes, no mather what side it is.
Defending forces should have the advantage, anyway. They have the system, they're dug in, they (may) have a station filled with spare ships and medical clones.
If the defenders put up an unbreakable (without taking advantage if critical game failures, anyway) wall around their most critical assets, take your attacking force elsewhere and destroy their undefended assets in other systems. Even in the farce that is POS warfare, this is possible. They could have put POSes in a dozen systems into reinforced last night, and had their choice of targets next week while we were committed to the Unborn One's salvation.
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Lemonx If CCP allows node-crashing to be a valid tactic to gain an advantage, the game as we know it will be destroyed. It doesnt matter if it was planned or not. If large quantity becomes an 'I-WIN' button over quality, a large part of the playerbase will lose the incentive to play. I dont care about LV's Titan, but CCP must not allow this to happen.
Short-term solutions i can see is either to limit number of people in a system, or not restarting nodes when they crash. Both solutions are bad because it gives the defending part the I-WIN button to fend of any attacks.
Based on the few coherent mature posts in this thread it seems that LV would not have lost the POS if it wasnt for the node crashes, it would have gotten its shield high enough. CCP can not allow people to gain huge advantages by crashing nodes, no mather what side it is.
Defending forces should have the advantage, anyway. They have the system, they're dug in, they (may) have a station filled with spare ships and medical clones.
If the defenders put up an unbreakable (without taking advantage if critical game failures, anyway) wall around their most critical assets, take your attacking force elsewhere and destroy their undefended assets in other systems. Even in the farce that is POS warfare, this is possible. They could have put POSes in a dozen systems into reinforced last night, and had their choice of targets next week while we were committed to the Unborn One's salvation.
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Silent Sam
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[568]
*sigh* Could have been a fun fight, with lots of twists from both sides of the fence. I do believe that both sides truly wanted a fight, but in the end most people could have forecast what was going to happen. The LV + friends defence had a chance (albiet small) in a no lag situation, but honestly nobody on either side can say they hoped or expected a real battle. Would the LV forces have had a chance to boost the shields back up even in the event of losing at the gate? Maybe. In the end it was simple math though in favor of the Coalition. Simply put, with more numbers come better chances at logging in first, avoiding any defenses at the gate. With each node crash the coalitions numerical superiority increases. The leaders of the Coalition, all intelligent people, knew that the outcome would be their taking of JV1V through server mechanics. I think that many of the defenders knew the same thing, but you can't quit without trying right? To say the coalition leadership was coming/hoping for a fight doesn't really make sense as there couldn't be a fight . They had an objective though and there is no way that they could ignore that either.
Ultimately boths sides worked with the system as they could in order to meet their objectives. It is unfortunate that people are forced to work within such a system to defend/attack truly valuable projects such as a baking titan, which takes hundreds of hours and solid cooperation to undertake.
I find it truly fortunate that I play in a game both with and against people that are so dedicated to these objectives that they willingly sit in front of a black screen for hours so that they might be able to get a little PEW PEW in.
I am glad I am not one of the GM's that have to rule on this. Sure the Coalition risked quite a few capitals in an unstable system, but they weren't ever really in danger as the Coaltions taking of JV1V wasn't really in question given the server mechanics. The only ones that had anything to lose were LV and honestly the nodes going down took their chance of saving the titan from small to nothing. I don't know if that has bearing on whether there is a reimbursement, but I know there is one thing that shouldn't have any bearing...the threat of the 1000 coalition members being angry about it and quitting.
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Silent Sam
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[569]
*sigh* Could have been a fun fight, with lots of twists from both sides of the fence. I do believe that both sides truly wanted a fight, but in the end most people could have forecast what was going to happen. The LV + friends defence had a chance (albiet small) in a no lag situation, but honestly nobody on either side can say they hoped or expected a real battle. Would the LV forces have had a chance to boost the shields back up even in the event of losing at the gate? Maybe. In the end it was simple math though in favor of the Coalition. Simply put, with more numbers come better chances at logging in first, avoiding any defenses at the gate. With each node crash the coalitions numerical superiority increases. The leaders of the Coalition, all intelligent people, knew that the outcome would be their taking of JV1V through server mechanics. I think that many of the defenders knew the same thing, but you can't quit without trying right? To say the coalition leadership was coming/hoping for a fight doesn't really make sense as there couldn't be a fight . They had an objective though and there is no way that they could ignore that either.
Ultimately boths sides worked with the system as they could in order to meet their objectives. It is unfortunate that people are forced to work within such a system to defend/attack truly valuable projects such as a baking titan, which takes hundreds of hours and solid cooperation to undertake.
I find it truly fortunate that I play in a game both with and against people that are so dedicated to these objectives that they willingly sit in front of a black screen for hours so that they might be able to get a little PEW PEW in.
I am glad I am not one of the GM's that have to rule on this. Sure the Coalition risked quite a few capitals in an unstable system, but they weren't ever really in danger as the Coaltions taking of JV1V wasn't really in question given the server mechanics. The only ones that had anything to lose were LV and honestly the nodes going down took their chance of saving the titan from small to nothing. I don't know if that has bearing on whether there is a reimbursement, but I know there is one thing that shouldn't have any bearing...the threat of the 1000 coalition members being angry about it and quitting.
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Relfstello
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:01:00 -
[570]
Ask yourself why all these alliances have gotten so ticked off. I mean ticked off enough to band together in such fashion to wipe the floor w/ numbers in the 1000+'s. Ask yourself how many people are ****ed at LV and Bob and why. Ask yourself alot of questions m8. Maybe its nothing more than giving someone a taste of their own medicine... maybe??? If they are upset, then they know now excatly how others felt from their chest beating, post, and flaming from the last 2 years when they were so called the top of the food chain...
Does the word Karma ring a bell???
Personally I don't think the 1000's of pilots who play read the forums consistently to get involved in the flame wars/bragging/etc. Most things are probably passed by word of mouth about each and every alliance; true or false. What I think was the big draw here was the chance to get in a big fight and destroy a titan. Now if you have that same type of force consistently for future fights then you'd have amuch stronger point.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:06:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Relfstello
Ask yourself why all these alliances have gotten so ticked off. I mean ticked off enough to band together in such fashion to wipe the floor w/ numbers in the 1000+'s. Ask yourself how many people are ****ed at LV and Bob and why. Ask yourself alot of questions m8. Maybe its nothing more than giving someone a taste of their own medicine... maybe??? If they are upset, then they know now excatly how others felt from their chest beating, post, and flaming from the last 2 years when they were so called the top of the food chain...
Does the word Karma ring a bell???
Personally I don't think the 1000's of pilots who play read the forums consistently to get involved in the flame wars/bragging/etc. Most things are probably passed by word of mouth about each and every alliance; true or false. What I think was the big draw here was the chance to get in a big fight and destroy a titan. Now if you have that same type of force consistently for future fights then you'd have amuch stronger point.
wrong. we are doing this because of a hell of alot more than that bud but I'm not going to explain that...just backtrack though all the threads, answers lie within.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 -
[572]
lets see BOB and LV screwed or backstabbed every alliance that is going after them now...
They created this and they are going to feel the pain from it...
LV is going down and then we are moving west.
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Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:31:00 -
[573]
Imagine, we have free of lag system. Guess, dear LV forum warriors, what you would loose in this case? Hint: All. You, LV forum warriors, must be thankful to CCP that CCP cannot build lag free system, and lag is the only your defence at the time. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |

Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:52:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Mimio Imagine, we have free of lag system. Guess, dear LV forum warriors, what you would loose in this case? Hint: All. You, LV forum warriors, must be thankful to CCP that CCP cannot build lag free system, and lag is the only your defence at the time.
This coming from RA is the true definition of irony...
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
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Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:52:00 -
[575]
Originally by: Mimio Imagine, we have free of lag system. Guess, dear LV forum warriors, what you would loose in this case? Hint: All. You, LV forum warriors, must be thankful to CCP that CCP cannot build lag free system, and lag is the only your defence at the time.
This coming from RA is the true definition of irony...
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
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Judge Ment
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:05:00 -
[576]
Im so confused now..
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Chukk Solo
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 -
[577]
What was about to be the greatest fleet battle in EVE history turned black.
Bad Luck
Hint To CCP, time to beef up a couple of the nodes for the next little bit, we are going to need it. Signature file size and dimensions to big, please keep it under 400x120 and 24000bytes - Petwraith |

Christian Wolf
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:59:00 -
[578]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: DARK DAY
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Velios Theres a Domination Spawn in the top belt nightmareX...
OMW
haha, now i remember why his name is so familiar. Cry me a river boy for losing his carebear ship by his own corpm8s.
hehe, mix combination of coalition pilots is very interesting indeed.
As i said, numbers, numbers, numbers is all they can do and without it it will be just **** **** and ****
Yeah, it's funny to, because the Raven Navy Issue Loss didn't do me a frack thing, and i got the Gist X-Type things back that i had on the ship. That only showed that M. Corp was some really good backstabbers . But enough of that, this topic is not about a ship i lost over a year ago.
No its not, its about how....ummmm...smart you are.
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Maxtor X
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:05:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Princess Aricia
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
LOL
I remember how she whined and cried like a little girl on TS to save here from the Reds in IAK when they had her Raven scrambled..... 
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:49:00 -
[580]
Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 17/02/2007 02:48:31
Originally by: Cupdeez Yes, I agree CCP was the cause of the lack of fun, but regardless that POS was coming down no matter what.
Even if our 600 support ships got killed by your 200 snipers our 80 dreads were going to jump in and take down your POS. Nothing you could do about that... Even if you jumpped 50 dreads in we would still have taken the POS down before you could kill us all.
Our objective was easy.. Make sure LV does not get this titan out of the cooker.
So... you don't think delaying your forces long enough to get the shields up was a valid tactic? More stront -> LV prime time fight next time?
Just maybe?
Edit: And also.. RA, is your posting also a part of Mittani's orders? Or is this just the first time you've felt you're winning in a while, since that seems to be the only time you post?
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Yourbane
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:41:00 -
[581]
Ok, not so sure i'm supposed to post anything here but hey i missed the battle so i can't miss the thread.
First, GJ coalition for showing up in such numbers and risking so much in assets at the same time.
Second, i keep reading about lag node crash, and unfair advantages. Stop it already and think a little : I don't know much about huge fleet pvp but one thing i am sure of is that you will not win when you fight 1vs2 AND the ennemy totally outcaps you.
Don't even try to find who suffered the most from this huge awful repeated nodecrashes of doom, because it is more than clear: 1000 Coalition vs 450 LV . 1000 ppl sitting at black screens vs 450 ppl sitting at black screens, yeah i think the coalition suffered most from that.
And for the ingame part, come on open your eyes even if it had been possible to kill the whole 1.000 ppl blob you couldn't have recharged shields at the same time and prevented all the coalition capitals from jumping in.
The battle was not fought and it is a shame, now the result didn't change because of that and that seems to be one of the important points of all the whining posts.
All we can do is just do whatever we can to get better servers, like beg ccp or just pray to god .
About the petitions or whatever, cmon ppl who cares. even if they get it all reimbursed they cannot hold any of their systems anymore.
Now guys, calm down or start a 'Campaign for better nodes' thread because this one is over.
Blablabla my corp don't think like me and stuff
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:44:00 -
[582]
Originally by: MINERALMAN
Originally by: Corak LV and Co shtf about outnumbered !! 10 months ago when you with V and anathere aliances atack RED and blobed us 400 vs 100 every day you don`t cry  
100%!!!! Got cool screens from JLO system. There was about 300+ "Coalition"(Lv,-V- and others) in local.
Hey hey hey... THAT is something else... remember that  
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:51:00 -
[583]
Edited by: Princess Aricia on 17/02/2007 04:52:35
Originally by: Maxtor X
Originally by: Princess Aricia
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
LOL
I remember how she whined and cried like a little girl on TS to save here from the Reds in IAK when they had her Raven scrambled..... 
I am a little girl... And I didn't like to get raped by plenty of RA's :)
Guess I'm the only one in EvE that have asked or help in a situation like that... I'm sure big bad boys like yourself never asked for help, when you was outnumberd and going down... and there was plenty of friendlys in local who could come to help you...... I wish I had big balls like you.... eh...
and btw... it's a different between whining and asking for help. I never whine... I'm happy or angry... that's it.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 05:00:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Yourbane Ok, not so sure i'm supposed to post anything here but hey i missed the battle so i can't miss the thread.
First, GJ coalition for showing up in such numbers and risking so much in assets at the same time.
Second, i keep reading about lag node crash, and unfair advantages. Stop it already and think a little : I don't know much about huge fleet pvp but one thing i am sure of is that you will not win when you fight 1vs2 AND the ennemy totally outcaps you.
Don't even try to find who suffered the most from this huge awful repeated nodecrashes of doom, because it is more than clear: 1000 Coalition vs 450 LV . 1000 ppl sitting at black screens vs 450 ppl sitting at black screens, yeah i think the coalition suffered most from that.
And for the ingame part, come on open your eyes even if it had been possible to kill the whole 1.000 ppl blob you couldn't have recharged shields at the same time and prevented all the coalition capitals from jumping in.
The battle was not fought and it is a shame, now the result didn't change because of that and that seems to be one of the important points of all the whining posts.
All we can do is just do whatever we can to get better servers, like beg ccp or just pray to god .
About the petitions or whatever, cmon ppl who cares. even if they get it all reimbursed they cannot hold any of their systems anymore.
Now guys, calm down or start a 'Campaign for better nodes' thread because this one is over.
Blablabla my corp don't think like me and stuff
Titan. + 15 Bubbles + Carrier support + no hostile POS = mass slaughter of jumping in forces. 2vs1? Without a nodecrash Id have taken 10v1
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Maxtor X
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:33:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 17/02/2007 04:54:46 Edited by: Princess Aricia on 17/02/2007 04:52:35
Originally by: Maxtor X
Originally by: Princess Aricia
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
LOL
I remember how she whined and cried like a little girl on TS to save here from the Reds in IAK when they had her Raven scrambled..... 
I am a little girl... And I didn't like to get raped by plenty of RA's :)
Guess I'm the only one in EvE that have asked or help in a situation like that... I'm sure big bad boys like yourself never asked for help, when you was outnumberd and going down... and there was plenty of friendlys in local who could come to help you...... I wish I had big balls like you.... eh...
and btw... it's a different between whining and asking for help. I never whine... I'm not a man, you know.. I'm happy or angry... that's it.
Its not about you getting raped (your words) and whining its about you fighting for them now. And thast ok too, just dont show up on the forums to smack, dont emarrasss yourself.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:49:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: TheArchJudge Edited by: TheArchJudge on 16/02/2007 17:37:37
Originally by: Cupdeez I would like to point out LV had no chance to win.
CA had 120+ BS fitting T2 RA I'm sure had all BS fitting with T2 IAC/TCF I'm sure had the same
Goons yah they had most of the support ships but they still have many very good figheters flying T2 BS also.
We had (CA/GS) over 100+ capital ships thats almost 1/2 of the LV fleet. When we tried to jump in I think only 5 made it.
Someone said the POS was almost at 1/2 sheilds haha funny I was at the pos it was at 25% when we started to shoot it.. Nice try I got money you were not even in the system.
Sorry for the lose LV I'm sure it hurts but you are just a person standing infront of a train. This train can't be stopped. You can save some isk and move out when you can because its only time.
You saw the numbers we can come with do you really think you can stop it?
The numbers on the coalition side where indeed impressive but you forget the tactical use of the titan.
Sides, flame, smack and alliance ego's aside, the fight that could have unfolded there in playable conditions would have been epic and worth remembering every second of it, no matter who would have won or lost, none of the sides and not even ccp can be blamed IMO for what happened, just the technology isn't there for that kind of battle to take place anytime soon.
Life goes on ~Taj
Edit: Typo's
Yes, I agree CCP was the cause of the lack of fun, but regardless that POS was coming down no matter what.
Even if our 600 support ships got killed by your 200 snipers our 80 dreads were going to jump in and take down your POS. Nothing you could do about that... Even if you jumpped 50 dreads in we would still have taken the POS down before you could kill us all.
Our objective was easy.. Make sure LV does not get this titan out of the cooker.
Cupdeez I 100% agree with your assessment and youll find that LV leadership probably does to. If youd jumped 80 dreads in even after losing your fleet, you WOULD have killed the POS. This is not in doubt.
The fact remains that you would have lost 30 or so dreads, and this would have made it worth it for LV. As it was, there were no dread kills. This is as good a basis for a reimbursement claim as anything
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 17/02/2007 04:54:46 Edited by: Princess Aricia on 17/02/2007 04:52:35
Originally by: Maxtor X
Originally by: Princess Aricia
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 16/02/2007 09:18:42
Originally by: Apollyon X Good guys always win.
Jepp... sure we will 
Whatever side's winning eh Princess? Go back and put some more sensor boosters on your brutix.
Traitor.
LOL
I remember how she whined and cried like a little girl on TS to save here from the Reds in IAK when they had her Raven scrambled..... 
I am a little girl... And I didn't like to get raped by plenty of RA's :)
Guess I'm the only one in EvE that have asked or help in a situation like that... I'm sure big bad boys like yourself never asked for help, when you was outnumberd and going down... and there was plenty of friendlys in local who could come to help you...... I wish I had big balls like you.... eh...
and btw... it's a different between whining and asking for help. I never whine... I'm not a man, you know.. I'm happy or angry... that's it.
I'm not the one who is smacking...
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Aricia
I'm not the one who is smacking...
Go back to deep breathing on TS and playing the damsel in distress, lonely one.
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:22:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Princess Aricia
I'm not the one who is smacking...
Go back to deep breathing on TS and playing the damsel in distress, lonely one.
LOL... and now I'm lonely too? oh my... LOL
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:26:00 -
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And Edde Bebbi... post with your main
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dgfhdfg
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Posted - 2007.02.17 09:53:00 -
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LV must be thankful that he lost only POS, cause if node dont`t crash LV lose their POS, AND capital fleet. 80vs40 dread batlle, most likely ended 15 versus 40 dreadwreak
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Blue Elektra
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Posted - 2007.05.12 13:06:00 -
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The way the aftermath was handled by CCP was despicable, it's no wonder people think CCP is backing the coalition with the kind of replies they received from petitions.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.12 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Sahwoolo Etoophie
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.05.12 13:24:00 -
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Moderator cat doesn't like necro. *click*
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