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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [61] Sounds like the damned annoying out of sync issue I keep getting in Jita. There's so many ships at the undock point that if my client is unsynced even by a millisecond, my freighter warps but still shows all the ships on my overview, as if I was still there. I basically have to relog to fix it. Likely what happened is that the Nyx got bumped by the capital ships and the client thought it had warped, but a tiny bit of sync error meant that the server disagreed. Annoying as hell, IMO. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [62] This just in, we have fraps that the MS warped out. -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [63] What an eventful day, for both sides. Keep up the great work LV! Rise stands with you Tick tock
Metatron Celestia Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:20:00 - [64] At the rate the Super Capitals are dropping, how long do you think before all Super Capitals are destroyed in this war? And grats to LV/ISS
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:21:00 - [65] Originally by: D1ck Jones Edited by: D1ck Jones on 17/02/2007 02:15:54 Originally by: boogaboob Originally by: D1ck Jones I love it, you're oh so uber coalition has lost two moms and a titan in 24 hours. Too bad losers liek CA cant afford much bigger ships other than xirtams nub fit phoon or the losses would be much higher. You need to shut up with the smacktalk. Keep it civil, so far most everyone else in this thread has. For once. Why do you want to change that. Tbh man because everyone in your caolition has been ruining your mouths for the better part of a week. You guys took one bob outpost and the bragging went for days (which they now got back I hear). This thread will degen to smack sooner or later as ya'll set that standard for the war. Add: Oh ya, take your beating like men ffs. Its all about crying lag/spolits/hakzor, its damn sickening. You know, if the wreck is at the gate, yous aint getting it back. IAC has not been chestbeating, I've personally read 95% of the posts and we dont endorse nor respect such behaviour. You may want to state this issue in another thread. -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Crovan Here's the deal. I know that in our MS takedown, the sync error actually didn't do anything to impact the battle. The dictor bubble prevented jump-out, and the bumping prevented warp. The only reason the MS pilots saw themselves warp away is that their machines did not properly update from the server. The ships still kept trying to warp, whether the pilot saw it or not. Any attempt to change the warp direction requires cancelling warp, which would make the ship subject to the dictor bubble it is nestled inside. Fact of the matter is that, while sync errors can suck, it's a fact of life, and is client-side, not server-side. The server knows exactly what's going on, and if the claims IAC has made are their whole story, then there was really nothing to be done to safe "Twiddles". I mean, what would have saved it, really? Given the force necessary to take one of these down, sync errors and lag issues are commonplace. If this gets reimbursed, then no supercapital loss will ever remain permanent until the servers become a lot more robust. Also, if you are claiming unplayable conditions, I am sure LV has a titan they'd like back. At least Helen is gracious about the Aeon loss publically, whatever the private feelings. That is not 100% accurate. The sync problems are much worse than that. It is also not so 'client based'. For an example, you can go watch the MC vs Red Skull tournament fight I referred to on page 1. In that case all clients present (about 20 of them) showed me in a completely different location than the server said I was. Second, you must also understand that sync problems with warping puts your fighting ability to zero. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:22:00 - [67] Originally by: D1ck Jones Tbh man because everyone in your caolition has been ruining your mouths for the better part of a week. You guys took one bob outpost and the bragging went for days (which they now got back I hear). This thread will degen to smack sooner or later as ya'll set that standard for the war. Add: Oh ya, take your beating like men ffs. Its all about crying lag/spolits/hakzor, its damn sickening. You know, if the wreck is at the gate, yous aint getting it back. So just because some epople on our side run their mouths that makes it right? Surrree. And as for 'crying lagsploitz', we're not. We're just telling it like it is from our perspective. Take the advice of people from both sides and shut up. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:22:00 - [68] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Empyre Edited by: Empyre on 17/02/2007 02:07:32 deaderated 1 deaderated 2 now PLEASE.. stop talking to yourselves in our local and just LEAVE! and thats for scanning down my mega the other day and popping it while i fumbled. my hands were full with food and crap and i don't think i'll ever get all that crap out of my keyboard. lol, 2 empty high slots ftw /shrug.. it was all i could throw together in a few minutes. i was in a pod until after work and they camped our station when i got home.. had to put it together super quick and sneak out of station when they weren't watching. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Fear Not Moarty Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:23:00 - [69] Screenshot: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3993/iacmomdeathjt6.jpg
Elisa Day ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:24:00 - [70] As one of the dictor pilots (and the first! ) I can guarantee that he was going nowhere, and he was still running smartbombs at the gate when he died. If his client goes out-of-sync, well, it's a damn shame that he couldn't watch the light-show, but it sure as hell isn't grounds for reimbursement. And this will be the third time I try to post this, what's up with the forums?

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:24:00 - [71] Originally by: Fear Not That is lag. Happens in every fleet battle 50+ I've ever been in and had to warp away from. The server says you didn't leave the gate as that is where your wreck ended up. IAC deserved that. No no no..Lag does not exist in EVE...its the clients fault for not having 64Gig of RAM @Dark Shikari...I am confused by your post, you are FIX...why no chest thumping, are you seriously telling me that you can remain objective...no way sir..I refuse to believe it
Drangiz Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:25:00 - [72] How long was the mom at the pos befor it died?
Waahoo Minmatar M. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Abn Matar Nyx was bugged, warped out in the pilots screen, it WILL be petitioned... Screens were taken. Cry me a river .... Same happened to my Naglfar. Screenshots and all. GM response: Server wasn't bugged (nothing in logs). This may sound nasty, but do I really care .... I seriously hope you get EXACTLY the same response. MS or not, it should be the same rule for every one. And regarding your claims that it will be petitioned, good luck on that one -- Proud to be a Dentist.....pliers and drills at the ready. Is it safe? <buzzzzzz>
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:26:00 - [74] Edited by: Xeliya on 17/02/2007 02:22:39 Originally by: Abn Matar This just in, we have fraps that the MS warped out. Just like the SS's no one has posted either? GJ ISS+Allies, nice to see you guys got some revenge. ----------
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Abn Matar IAC has not been chestbeating, I've personally read 95% of the posts and we dont endorse nor respect such behaviour. You may want to state this issue in another thread. not so much on the forums, i can attest to.. i've been glued here for a week.. but i could show you some local chat logs that are quite the polar opposite. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Cpt Psycho The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:26:00 - [76] Sorry IAC, I hate to say it but: If the CLIENT showed him warped to POS but the CLIENT was so whacked out (probably from having all the ships/fighters/etc jump on it) it didn't transmit to the server, and the SERVER still showed them as being at the gate, and EVERYONE ELSE attacking it still showed it as being there - then I really don't see any way in hell that it can be replaced by petition... The only reason it showed as warping on the client side was because the client did not acknowledge it being bubbled/warp scrammed/etc because it was so fubar from everything engaging it at once. It doesn't matter what the client displayed, it matters what the client actually transmitted to the server and the server then acknowledged back to the client. The client was probably so whacked out it displayed going to the POS when the mothership was still really sitting at the gate bubbled/warp scrammed to all hell and back... I mean, if 60 people still see it at the gate but the b0rk3d client shows it warping to a POS because it is so lagged from having numerous people targetting it and attacking at once, then it is a legit loss in my book. This "wtf lag omgwtf BOD H4X petition!!" crap has got to stop.. I can see petitioning in some cases but not this one. And before you 16 year old kiddies start responding with "u have no clue BOD dev h4x u cheat sploit" I would like to say I have a Bachelors in CS so what I said above is not just BS, the way the client/server relationship works in eve makes perfect sense why people being targetted and wtfpwnt by 60-80 people lag out on the client side but the people attacking still see it there plain as day. Sure it could be fixed so that the person being ganked can respond better (activate modules and such) but it is still a legit loss in my book because if you are being attacked by a huge amount of ships, being able to activate modules and such will make no diff (if it is replaced on petition I will be disgusted). Theme song for past few days :-p
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:28:00 - [77] Ouch that sucks we wanted to kill it when this was over Sig removed - I love BoB so you cant have this sig.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:31:00 - [78] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 17/02/2007 02:32:30 Originally by: Cpt Psycho And before you 16 year old kiddies start responding with "u have no clue BOD dev h4x u cheat sploit" I would like to say I have a Bachelors in CS so what I said above is not just BS, . I have a BSc Hons in SE so I laugh at your CS...but it doesn't mean squat when playing this game. btw. I work for Hursley Labs and we were responsible for the consultancy on the Blades...so I might have a clue Edit: ignore my post as it makes no sense...only to the Computer Science guys....u suxor
VBboy The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 - [79] Nice Kill!
Fafnir Drake Boob Heads	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Dark Shikari Sounds like the damned annoying out of sync issue I keep getting in Jita. There's so many ships at the undock point that if my client is unsynced even by a millisecond, my freighter warps but still shows all the ships on my overview, as if I was still there. I basically have to relog to fix it. Likely what happened is that the Nyx got bumped by the capital ships and the client thought it had warped, but a tiny bit of sync error meant that the server disagreed. Annoying as hell, IMO. Try clicking on the overview to minimize it, then bring it back up, Clears the crap for me. Most of the time anyways. Some people are like slinkies. Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Elisa Day ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:34:00 - [81] Originally by: Abn Matar *Nyx pilot sees himslef warping out (he was in warp before bubble went up). That would be true only if he was already getting out of there, I was the first dictor there and he would've had about 2 seconds to react to my coming out of warp before the bubble went up, and after I launched it he launched a bunch of drones and sent them after me while I mwd'ed out of the bubble, not something I'd really do if I was trying to warp out, but hey, whatever .
Waahoo Minmatar M. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:35:00 - [82] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar [I work for Hursley Labs and we were responsible for the consultancy on the Blades Hang the IBM Blades man for the LAG .......... -- Proud to be a Dentist.....pliers and drills at the ready. Is it safe? <buzzzzzz>
Exekias Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:35:00 - [83] Originally by: Fear Not Screenshot: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3993/iacmomdeathjt6.jpg All else aside, that is one seriously sweet looking wreck. -------------- Signature Gallery
BlackHorizon Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:35:00 - [84] It's being petitioned. We have fraps from an IAC pilot at the POS seeing the Nyx warp in and then "disappear", and then on the same fraps we have LV boasting about its death in local. Logs, screenshots from the Nyx pilot showing him taking damage at the POS, and in warp. The killmail generated itself is bugged, ill formatted with people above "involved parties". Weirdly bugged. The killmail posted on the LV killboard is edited, but they originally posted the borked killmail, deleted it from their killboard and then posted the "corrected" one.
Cryus Aphax In The Face Productions	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:36:00 - [85] Wow, so thats x2 motherships down this week due to desyncing and a titan down due to log off timers / spies. Maybe some day we'll actually see a big cap ship taken down in normal circumstances.
III LightBringer Death by Drones	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Cpt Psycho Sorry IAC, I hate to say it but: If the CLIENT showed him warped to POS but the CLIENT was so whacked out (probably from having all the ships/fighters/etc jump on it) it didn't transmit to the server, and the SERVER still showed them as being at the gate, and EVERYONE ELSE attacking it still showed it as being there - then I really don't see any way in hell that it can be replaced by petition... The only reason it showed as warping on the client side was because the client did not acknowledge it being bubbled/warp scrammed/etc because it was so fubar from everything engaging it at once. It doesn't matter what the client displayed, it matters what the client actually transmitted to the server and the server then acknowledged back to the client. The client was probably so whacked out it displayed going to the POS when the mothership was still really sitting at the gate bubbled/warp scrammed to all hell and back... If client messes up, then you are dead, is that what you are saying? That is bull****. If you have logs showing that this is infact what happend, then a Battleship would be replaced. So should a Mothership be. When the client show you being miles away, then there are nothing you can do to defend yourself. And , ISS / LV can have the pleasure of hunting the NYX again later. However, this is something that seems to happen a LOT with capital ships. Maybee they should simply be fixed, ehh?? Ohh, and CYVOK should REALLY get his Titan back. And I am not afraid to say BOD... Logging with agro my a$$...
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:36:00 - [87] You shouldnt be reimbursed for client sync-errors. I've lost a few ships because of things like this (client telling me in dock range when im 80k away etc) and every petition was rewarded with that lovely ccp message of "our logs do not show..." It's not fair, but when has eve ever been fair? --- ---
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:36:00 - [88] Originally by: Elisa Day Originally by: Abn Matar *Nyx pilot sees himslef warping out (he was in warp before bubble went up). That would be true only if he was already getting out of there, I was the first dictor there and he would've had about 2 seconds to react to my coming out of warp before the bubble went up, and after I launched it he launched a bunch of drones and sent them after me while I mwd'ed out of the bubble, not something I'd really do if I was trying to warp out, but hey, whatever . Even if he didnt warp out (in reality) he was still in warp when you bubbled him, so your bubble would not have stopped him anyway... -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Thor Payne ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:40:00 - [89] Originally by: PMolkenthin Where was the wreck? If it was at the POS I would say its bugged and you should get it back. If the wreck is at the point where the fight took place, then it looks like your client got out of sync and you would have died anyway. The Nyx was killed at the QRBN gate in C3-. A dictor flew in right on top of him and dropped a sphere. The Nyx had his smarties engaged. Most likely because we had alot of fighters on him and small fast ships to bump him out of alignment.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:42:00 - [90] Originally by: Exekias Originally by: Fear Not Screenshot: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3993/iacmomdeathjt6.jpg All else aside, that is one seriously sweet looking wreck. Completely offtopic, but your sig made me lol. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...



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