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Magnus VII	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:45:00 - [1] When buying a contract item, isn't interbus mailing it for a price? I say in a dev blog that we could have that option. & In System Map: What are the 3D glowing white floating in space spheres? Thanks :)
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:20:00 - [2] The interbus courier stuff is not in the game as of yet. It's still in the concept phase. Personally, I don't like the idea as that's what courier contracts are for. The problem is that people make ****-poor courier contracts so they don't get filled. I don't understand your "3D glowing white floating in space spheres" question.
Magnus VII	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:07:00 - [3] Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:10:12 Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:09:45 Originally by: Kumu Honua The interbus courier stuff is not in the game as of yet. It's still in the concept phase. Personally, I don't like the idea as that's what courier contracts are for. The problem is that people make ****-poor courier contracts so they don't get filled. I don't understand your "3D glowing white floating in space spheres" question. IMO from what I see, the courier jobs are not worth the money people offer for one thing. And When I buy a not so expencive item and it is a bit far away, I can not get anyone to deliver it even when I give them as much money the item is worth. So at least there could be limits, so we can get the non wanted contract done buy Interbus instead. And besides isn't it so cool to actualy see one of these corps REALY do something in the game? Anyone who has 100 mil down payment would not even care about making 1 mil for doing like so many jumps, that person is making way more then any courier job could pay.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Magnus VII Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:10:12 Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:09:45 Quote: IMO from what I see, the courier jobs are not worth the money people offer for one thing. And When I buy a not so expencive item and it is a bit far away, I can not get anyone to deliver it even when I give them as much money the item is worth. That's because the contract should not be about the worth of the item but the distance. You pay for my time to go get it. If you don't want to pay? Go get it yourself. Quote: So at least there could be limits, so we can get the non wanted contract done buy Interbus instead. No. Pay a good value. I'm not going to go get your contract for 5000 isk. If you don't want to pay a good value. Go get it yourself. Quote: And besides isn't it so cool to actualy see one of these corps REALY do something in the game? I suppose, but they need to make it prohibitively expensive so that couriers can still be a valid game play instead of letting you just use interbus all the time. Consider this: You can't get a player to do it for 50K isk, Interbus shouldn't either. Quote: Anyone who has 100 mil down payment would not even care about making 1 mil for doing like so many jumps, that person is making way more then any courier job could pay. That's another aspect. Collateral is a risk we have to take. So we want comparative rewards for that risk. Perhaps we should let interbus be intercepted on the way to make a delivery. Let you have a risk that you lose your item without a collateral payment because you didn't want to pay a good value for a player to do it.
AvatarADV	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:07:00 - [5] The idea isn't to replace courier contracts, it's to reduce lag in trading hubs by letting NPC shipping over a constellation "spread the load" a little. Having player couriers do the job wouldn't help the lag in Jita - somebody would still have to fly in and out with the item. You'll still have courier contracts, but they'll be for longer hauls - inter-constellation, inter-region. They also may be SHORTER in that they won't have to jump all the way to a hub - jump to the constellation, and then the NPC courier can take it the rest of the way.
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Magnum III on 17/02/2007 22:44:11 Originally by: Kumu Honua Originally by: Magnus VII Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:10:12 Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:09:45 Quote: IMO from what I see, the courier jobs are not worth the money people offer for one thing. And When I buy a not so expencive item and it is a bit far away, I can not get anyone to deliver it even when I give them as much money the item is worth. That's because the contract should not be about the worth of the item but the distance. You pay for my time to go get it. If you don't want to pay? Go get it yourself. Quote: So at least there could be limits, so we can get the non wanted contract done buy Interbus instead. No. Pay a good value. I'm not going to go get your contract for 5000 isk. If you don't want to pay a good value. Go get it yourself. Quote: And besides isn't it so cool to actualy see one of these corps REALY do something in the game? I suppose, but they need to make it prohibitively expensive so that couriers can still be a valid game play instead of letting you just use interbus all the time. Consider this: You can't get a player to do it for 50K isk, Interbus shouldn't either. Quote: Anyone who has 100 mil down payment would not even care about making 1 mil for doing like so many jumps, that person is making way more then any courier job could pay. That's another aspect. Collateral is a risk we have to take. So we want comparative rewards for that risk. Perhaps we should let interbus be intercepted on the way to make a delivery. Let you have a risk that you lose your item without a collateral payment because you didn't want to pay a good value for a player to do it. Don't you get it? People do not make it worth it and do not pay enough to get REAL life people to do it, it is a chore fo RL people to do it for so little and they got RL things to do. So right now you can't get it done at all, this is something that should be done by the interbus NPC's because they don't have a REAL life to worry about and the NPC's are in a different time frame then us. So do we only buy stuff for millions? If I bought some for so much then I would not want to wait half the week to have someone deliver it. The little pidly stuff shuold be done by NPC's no big deal. Normal people playing the game are not and can not do it realistickly. Sorry.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:55:00 - [7] I get it just fine. The problem isn't that real life people won't do it. The problem is that you don't make it worth my while! I did 3 courier contracts today. One had a 5million reward, and the other two had piddly 500K. I would not have bothered with the 500K's but they were going the same place as the 5million. Stop with the ****ant 20K rewards and your stuff WILL get moved.
Magnus VII	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Kumu Honua Originally by: Magnus VII Edited by: Magnus VII on 17/02/2007 11:10:12I suppose, but they need to make it prohibitively expensive so that couriers can still be a valid game play instead of letting you just use interbus all the time. Consider this: You can't get a player to do it for 50K isk, Interbus shouldn't either.. If people can't do it for what they a re paying now then just like in RL Interbuss takes over. In RL do we bring a small packege across the country asking some guy to do it? No we call UPS or FedEx. Right now people and giving somthing like only 200K and asking for 10 to 100mil down for like a trip that would take way more time then it is worth it. I'm sure they will make something fun for all, I would not worry. But I could realy use it now. If I do not have time to do it my self and no one else will take the job unless I pay them twice what I got it for then what the heck is that? Plus it is a lot of fun getting these corps do come alive. The RL corps are boring most of the time if you ask me.
Magnus VII	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Kumu Honua I get it just fine. The problem isn't that real life people won't do it. The problem is that you don't make it worth my while! I did 3 courier contracts today. One had a 5million reward, and the other two had piddly 500K. I would not have bothered with the 500K's but they were going the same place as the 5million. Stop with the ****ant 20K rewards and your stuff WILL get moved. So I don't get to play unless I am rich, only the rich need packages moved? So why not under 500K of items can be moved by interbus because they are like Walmart and katering to the average consumer?
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Kumu Honua on 17/02/2007 23:17:28 Adding Interbus will simply remove player interaction and negatively affect courier contracts. In my opinion, if you can't be arsed to pick something up, or pay someone enough to do it for you. That item twenty jumps away should REMAIN there. The main problems with couriers are: Collaterals without commensurate rewards. 10,000 isk to move something with a 100million collateral is not worth the risk. Do it yourself. Huge amounts of jumps for little reward. 30 jumps for 30,000 isk is rediculous. Get more isk killing a cruiser NPC. Do it yourself. Dangerous pickups, huge amounts of jumps, giant collaterals for no rewards. 0.0 pickup, 100 million in collateral, 30 jumps to empire for 10,000 isk. Go pod yourself.
Dust Rocket	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:34:00 - [11] I made 68 jumps in empire with a freighter. it took me 31 jumps to place where i picked up a package. Then i made 28 jumps with the package made 13,1 mill for it. Then i made 9 jumps home. Yeah them 28 jumps payed well, but the rest? I would do it again but i will not do it for pennys i can make more isk rating in hi sec then hauling stuff for lil money
Colux Cofnix	Posted - 2007.02.18 07:22:00 - [12] One thing Interbus will do is set a pricing standard. Once people see how much Interbus charges they'll know what the reasonable amounts are to get a player to do it. Which the devs will balance to be high enough to be worth a players time. So people will set their reward for courier contracts a bit below what the NPCs charge.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.18 07:49:00 - [13] You have more faith than I do in interbus pricing structures. However, if they are indeed high enough for player couriers to actually get contracts worth taking then I won't have a problem. But the people who already have problems moving their items will still have that problem after interbus if that's how it will work.

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