Calm down random forum alt. Destroyers killing frigs is how it's supposed to work.

Also due to there introduction Assault Frigates have become next to worthless when it comes down to it, T3D can do everything they can do but better, Better tanks, Speed and Damage.

This is completely different discussion.

Hasn't this been talked about to death.

The point is, the OP got surprise buttsecks from a svip, got angry about it, went to the forums on an alt(we can't even see the mail that inspired this outcry), and cried for a nerf.

Stop trying to solo svipuls or fit accordingly. We all know they are awesome, it's broadcast in every forum related to Eve. So pardon me if I get a little cynical when I see another one of these threads.

warping to an instant-warp bookmark from the gate with around 2.5s align time

You don't get how instant warp works do you?

You don't know how to read, do you?

instant-warp bookmark from the gate

People supporting this are either looking to troll or enjoy getting lazy kills in their Svipuls and probably cried too about T3D's being locked out of the small plexes.

no one cried about it. you however keep showing up with that alt crying for nerfs. no one is ganking on high-sec gates with svips dude.

I've proven the contrary already and can provide more evidence if you wish.

You seem obsessed to believe I'm crying about nerfs about this and that, I don't particularly care I just find it odd that Svipul's existence is allowed to linger (besides, it's more likely than not gonna get the nerf bat anyway at some point).

Maybe stop fantasizing as well and start reading, the topic is specifically about frigates.

- And no, I wouldn't care btw.

EDIT: and no wonder the activity on this board has dropped substantially. What a garbage subforum community and trash input

so you have proven what? svips are ganking on high-sec gates? if you are war decced, then i would suggest traveling in something a little more robust than a frig.

i will repeat that, destroyers are supposed to own frigs....its the role that ccp has given them....anti-FRIG platform.

you get trash when you post on an alt, and cry for nerfs.....

not only dominating frigates (including all T2 frigates), they also dominate destroyers, T2 destroyers and even T1 cruisers.

I dont much care about any of this but seing Svipuls everywhere all the time is like traveling on a straight highway for hours. Makes me fall asleep. EvE needs diversity. Not a one for everything solution.

As they should in relation to all frigates and T1 and T2 destroyers.

so you tell me, that svipuls negating and making every ship class below irrelevant is a good thing??
What about titans? Should they negate everything below also?

they arent expensive and they arent skill intensive.
Its a 50m ship which requires 1 rank 3 skill to be trained.

Pretty much any higher "tier" ship can beat a lower "tier" ship solo. A BS can almost always beat a solo BC and below. A BC can almost always beat a solo cruiser and below. Etc.

The argument that a svipul is op because it can beat a solo frig or destroyer just seems rather weak to me. If you're having trouble with svipul's, either gang up or try to beat them through trickery.

Pretty much any higher "tier" ship can beat a lower "tier" ship solo. A BS can almost always beat a solo BC and below. A BC can almost always beat a solo cruiser and below. Etc.

The argument that a svipul is op because it can beat a solo frig or destroyer just seems rather weak to me. If you're having trouble with svipul's, either gang up or try to beat them through trickery.

1v1 assault frigs will give t3d's a run for the money, maybe not the svipul as ive never fought one with an assault frig but a jaguar with tracking disruptor will give a confessor the sweats, it turns out a pretty even fight.

bunch of nonsense again

you can beat a T2 dessy with T2 frigate, you can beat a battleship with a T2 dessy like sabre (done it many times) or even AF or stealth bomber, you can beat a battlecruiser with a cruiser, you can beat a tier 3 BC with a bomber or sabre, you can pwn commandy dessys with assault frigates, yet you cant realistically beat a svipul with anything which isnt svipul (which might even be hard, depending on fit) or bigger. You shouldnt even try
Bigger ships getting killed by lower class happens all the time, yet not for T3D and especially svipuls!

It takes good piloting to do the above. Are you suggesting that it doesn't? I would love to see your solo sabre kills(I'll bet none of the Bs are PvP fitted).

Frigs soloing destroyers(any destroyers) is just plain good piloting. For you to suggest that it isn't is crazy(mainly because you probably don't have any yourself).

Where are all these cancerous svipuls hanging out?

I'm pretty much only flying around low sec and the only svipul I see is the pve one fitted up in my rens hanger......

And pretty much every situation I've had described to me why the svipul is OP and stuff is exactly the situation destroyers were made for!

And the argument about having a ship that can up-fight to a decent degree and then run from the stuff it can't kill.......really? Are you all kindergartners?! isn't that one of the many skills you develop as a small ship pilot?

Its quite funny to read that some of the posts here are crying that a T3 destroyer beats frigates...

Thats like crying because a Citreon Saxo was beaten by a BMW M3...

A destroyer is a higher tier ship than a frigate, the designs sole purpose is to beat frigates. Same as the Battlecruiser class was implemented to beat the cruiser class.

Yes, the Svipul is strong where it is now, possibly too strong compared to other T3D's but when your crying that a T3D killed your frigate, please... thats what its designed for.

Well, various issues here.

I don't think it's wrong that an instalocker destroyer can kill frigates. That's sort of what they were built to do.

However, there are some real problems at the moment:

a) Svipuls are too good compared to the other t3ds. Part of this has to do with the insanely low fit costs of ACs, leading to the ability to fit stupid amounts of passive tank and a full set of guns. Other t3ds cannot do this, to the same degree.

b) T3ds sort of make assault frigates obsolete.

The first can (and should) be fixed by a nerf to the Svipul, putting it more in line with the others.

The second... not sure.

I love t3ds myself and don't think there's anything wrong with the ship class itself. But yeah, Svipuls could use th+¬ nerfbat.

The same applies on the interdictor front, by the way. For each non-Sabre in 0.0 you'll encounter about 10 Sabres. They are the Svipuls of the dictor arena (and should also be nerfed a bit, imho). But that's another discussion.

you know you just need to undock to see them. I mean, how blind and deaf one has to be in order to miss svipuls online??
Maybe leave your small plex for a change? Because thats literally the only place you wont find a svipul in, since CCP fixed it a while ago.

You people are a bunxh of real whiners. I bet most of you whining weren't around for the days of WCS-fitted Vagabonds, hmm? That was quite the time.

Wow you sound quite mad that I'm NOT getting surprise buttsecks from svipuls all day long

I roam around low sec all the time. I can't stand plexing and only use it to control engagements. You that thing called 'tactics' right?

In the last week of playing I have only seen maybe 2 svipuls out and about apart mine in my hanger

svip's are effective against most anything, not just Frigates. The problem is they are really good cookie cutter ship. Does everything pretty well.


Also due to there introduction Assault Frigates have become next to worthless when it comes down to it, T3D can do everything they can do but better, Better tanks, Speed and Damage.

there's no such thing as an "instant-warp bookmark" from a gate.

However when a new ship like the T3D completely wipes out the usefulness of a once highly used ship then we have to look at it carefully.

Doesn't seem to me like an healthy thing to have in the game but I'm sure someone would disagree just the same.

When jumping into a system and finding a hostile Svipul on gate, even warping to an instant-warp bookmark from the gate with around 2.5s align time (considerably less time than that required thanks to the BM) and a having a 33m sig, it won't help. Heck, your pod is probably gonna get popped too.

Top solo killer for the game's most popular ship (hint: ship name starts with S) this week:

https://zkillboard.com/ship/34562/solo/

- All he does is sit in Litiuara and gets free kills, minimal risk to it as well and the hull runs at only 50m or so, meaning not exactly a huge loss even if he somehow does bite the dust. He's far from the only one pulling this little tactic too.

I'm glad people are enjoying getting free kills with their Svipuls but this just detracts from the enjoyment of everyone else as it's a largely unpreventable situation, scouting every system beforehand is NOT a realistic option for most players and even the Starmap will often not suffice to prevent these losses from happening. In a single word, Tedious.

The transport of frigates and other small ships CAN be done either through alts (instead risking suicide ganks) or through courier contracts. That doesn't really change what's going on outside of highsec and increases the time investment required for many pilots just to get some proper pew-pew going.

The main point here is perhaps that this phenomenon underlines yet again what a harsh counter T3D's are to frigates, and in particular the Svipul stands out.

The Svipul is dominating according to zkillboard at the moment with 26 000 kills in the last 7 days. Sabre, an interdictor and also a minmatar anti-frigate platform, comes in second with only 14 000 kills.


Seems to me like CCP popularized frigates and created a healthy frigate meta, only to drop T3D's to hard counter it all together. That's why I feel like the current state of T3D's and especially the Svipul is unhealthy for the game. Most people I've talked to so far have echoed this sentiment as well, so why not address the issue?


Just a thought.

T3D are supposed to counter frigates. even tech 2 frigates. thats why they tech 3.

lemme guess, you pulled this reasoning right out of your a**, correct?
Who did say something about their purpose?
I dont believe CCP brought them as counter to frigates, because there was no need - frigates had already plenty of counters in shape of T1 and T2 destroyers, and even fast locking cruisers.

I think more likely is that CCP just wanted to release some fancy new ship for no real reason and no real purpose, because players liked new ships and CCP's plan was to give players some new exciting toy instead of unexciting game balancing because they had trouble with online numbers and all, thats it.
Now, we've got to stick with svipuls and interceptors online game, until they have some mercy and fix these ships again.

The facts are quite clear...

T3D has better DPS and Tank than all of the frigates in the game.

tell us more news at 11. Thats exactly the problem we complain about, welcome to the thread. Svipuls too gud.

And basically, my text you quoted, was directed at the guy who stated that they are "supposed" to do something, which I questioned.
Unless you wanna argue that they are supposed to do because they do it, then you enter a pretty slippery slope with this.

I killed two svipuls and a thrasher in a bellicose.

svipuls got locked out of smalls in FW

probably need a little balancing, but nothing like what some here are calling for.



edit: I don't know what the poster above is on about with this:

T3D are supposed to counter frigates. even tech 2 frigates. thats why they tech 3.
Tech 1 destroyer = tech 2 frigate
tech 2 destroyer = superior to all tech 1 and tech 2 frigates. but would be equal to a hypothetical tech 3 frigate.
tech 3 destroyer = superior to that hypothetical tech 3 frigate.


but it is trash

Your complaining because a ship has better stats than the other?

2/10 for troll attempt...


Why not remove EVERY other ship in the game and ONLY have ventures...??? \o/

Lol... Derp

your issue seems to be Svipul

not T3D as a whole.

i've yet to see anyone say jackdaw or hecate are overpowered.


and confessor is the definition of glass cannon, sure it has great dmg. but its very very short range and fragile (Wolf, a t2 frigate, can wreck a confessor pretty fast)



T3D are supposed to counter frigates. even tech 2 frigates. thats why they tech 3.
Tech 1 destroyer = tech 2 frigate
tech 2 destroyer = superior to all tech 1 and tech 2 frigates. but would be equal to a hypothetical tech 3 frigate.
tech 3 destroyer = superior to that hypothetical tech 3 frigate.

in the same way a tech 2 battlecruiser can be equal to tech 3 cruisers (don't believe me? Sleipnir vs Loki, Legion, and Tengu so far. and its been pretty equal to them. though not as adaptable)



idk about svipul, but jackdaw and hecate are both in a nice spot in the meta right now.
confessor is in a fun spot, but very risky (for people who want high risk high reward)