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Tarn Kugisa Modern Mining Industries Space Mongolians 16	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580
Selinate 165	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:40:00 - [2] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. This thread is back. Ninja salvagers take, what, 2% of your total income from you? Poor you :P
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 59	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:41:00 - [3] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. No you shouldn't, CCP agrees, don't bother him about it. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Tarn Kugisa Modern Mining Industries Space Mongolians 16	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote Selinate wrote: Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. This thread is back. Ninja salvagers take, what, 2% of your total income from you? Poor you :P More like 40% Salvage is worth a lot, especially from L4's And if its 2%, why would they take it? Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580
Selinate 165	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:52:00 - [5] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Selinate wrote: Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. This thread is back. Ninja salvagers take, what, 2% of your total income from you? Poor you :P More like 40% Salvage is worth a lot, especially from L4's And if its 2%, why would they take it? Oh gosh, this makes me laugh. Salvaging for the majority of level 4's is not worth THAT much, especially considering the time effort it takes to salvage. And they do it because they have lower SP, but can still afford a frigate with scan probes and a salvager for a lot more isk than doing level 1's gives.
Tarn Kugisa Modern Mining Industries Space Mongolians 16	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote Selinate wrote: Tarn Kugisa wrote: Selinate wrote: Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. This thread is back. Ninja salvagers take, what, 2% of your total income from you? Poor you :P More like 40% Salvage is worth a lot, especially from L4's And if its 2%, why would they take it? Oh gosh, this makes me laugh. Salvaging for the majority of level 4's is not worth THAT much, especially considering the time effort it takes to salvage. And they do it because they have lower SP, but can still afford a frigate with scan probes and a salvager :P Or they use an alt and screw over people who work for their money Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2011.12.18 00:59:00 - [7] - Quote Stop doing 4's in major mission hubs. Try doing Khanid or other smaller factions if losing salvage is that important to you. Salvage is crap money unless the alternative is lower end missioning. And worse you have to play the market to even hope to make a decent amount. Salvage alts are crap compared to fitting for DPS and assisting your main.
Iskawa Zebrut Smoke to Train - Train to Smoke 2	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:05:00 - [8] - Quote Get a buddy to tag along (or dual box a second account) in a Noctis and quit bawing all over the forums. You're making them damp. Of course you could also move somewhere less populated if you're determined to play EVE as a single player game.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 101	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:09:00 - [9] - Quote This thread never gets old! ^___________________^ "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Terminal Entry New Fnord Industries 19	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Stop doing 4's in major mission hubs. This ^ Remember all L4 agents are the same quality now.

Wacktopia Sicarius. The Kadeshi 56	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:21:00 - [11] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? What you do is immoral and low. You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. Dude Im totally running a locator agent on you and coming to hoover up your missions. Hell I might even steal from you as I don't reckon you even have the balls to shoot.
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 99	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:23:00 - [12] - Quote 2/10. It's been done.
SandKid Gateway Mining Division 0	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:26:00 - [13] - Quote There seems to be two incorrect thoughts here... 1) Salvage is actually very valuable, especially if you produce rigs to sell. 2) Salvage from 4's is VERY valuable because of the increased amounts from battleship wrecks. Now stop smiling you whining idiot... 3) Salvage is game for anyone. Fact is ninja salvaging is more fun than anything else - but it does actually produce some income. Those who are very good at it (and there are corps built on the career - yes, it is career) can make quite a bit of money off it. Salvaging a single lvl 4 in a destroyer, or even a swift frigate (remember: salvage takes very little room so it's easy to get in any ship), can reap a lot of money. Because you're using a quick ship, you spend less time salvaging and more time scanning. However, those that make this a profession and utilize gangs of ninjas and a powerful scan ship can make easily 100+ million in a matter of hours, and if lucky (like a Worlds Collide or Extravaganza), that much inside an hour. Thanks to the fact salvaging is nearly totally safe (the occasional angry bear will foolishly kill a ninja and find a swarm of much larger and better equipped ninjas on them) the career is pursued by quite a few. Most people are actually bored players waiting on a fleet op or they do it as a past-time compared to their normal career, like industry or mining. Fly Safe - and Move Somewhere Else Numbskull. Much Like Flies and Dung, if you stay where a heap of Mission Runners are...
Nika Dekaia 13	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:35:00 - [14] - Quote We used to have two of these threads a week and none in the past few months (or so it feels). I actually don't even feel annoyed by your post. Wrecks are not part of the mission reward, they never were, by design. If you want to get some ISK out of that space junk, you'll have to work for it, just like everyone else. Here's what the Devs think about salavging: Per CCP Mitnal: CCP Mitnal wrote: "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : GM Faolchu wrote: Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : GM Ytterbium wrote: Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : CCP Prism X wrote: Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : CCP Incognito wrote: Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) As others have pointed out, it will never change so you can as well just quit whining. Speedrunning missions will net you more ISK and safe you the pain of beeing angry at people salvaging "your" loot.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 418	Posted - 2011.12.18 01:56:00 - [15] - Quote If salvage is 40% of your missioning income, then you be doing missions wrong. You, and the other ******* who thinks lvl4 wrecks are worth the time and effort it takes to salvage them in the first place. If you salvage lvl4 mission wrecks then you are sabotaging your own work by tying an iron ball to your ankle. The ninjas are actually doing you a favor. And before you ask "if its that worthless, then why do they bother?" Because its either valuable a whole lot more to him then it is to you, in the case he is a new player who cant even do lvl2 yet (a very rare case, i might add) or because he just wants to make you miserable and see you cry (99% of the cases). Just the way youre doing it now :) Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 02:14:00 - [16] - Quote Part of the game as CCP sees it I'm afraid, as others have said, take it as a small loss and move on. I see ninja looting as just another one of those loop holes in CCP's coding that can be exploited for profit. I don't believe it really is WAI as far as how the original programmer saw it else why would they bother colour coding the things. But the exploit happened the devs closed ranks and took up the party line. Just another example of how CCP fail to accomplish there goals then just shrug and say 'yes thats WAI' .
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 66	Posted - 2011.12.18 02:14:00 - [17] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people? Oh, look, it's this thread again. How...pitifully adorable. Tarn Kugisa wrote: What you do is immoral and low. No, it isn't. Welcome to EVE. Tarn Kugisa wrote: [...] it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it. Manifestly wrong, according to CCP's own explicit definition, and repeated referrals to same ad nauseam/infinitum. 1/10 as you got me to respond, but...Next! I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count?
Ghoest 28	Posted - 2011.12.18 02:24:00 - [18] - Quote Troll or dumb noob? I cant tell the difference. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:01:00 - [19] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Troll or dumb noob? I cant tell the difference. Look down on others much? Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks.
Ghoest 28	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:19:00 - [20] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Ghoest wrote: Troll or dumb noob? I cant tell the difference. Look down on others much? Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks. People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them. Complain about the game mechanics - cool. Complain about cheaters - cool. Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand. But... Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE? Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Baraka Saibot Wobbling Frog Inc 9	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:32:00 - [21] - Quote Somehow... I really feel that this is probably one of the best game mechanics in the game. And it just never gets old.
Deltor Griffith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:37:00 - [22] - Quote You don't deserve your salvage.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:39:00 - [23] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ghoest wrote: Troll or dumb noob? I cant tell the difference. Look down on others much? Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks. People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them. Complain about the game mechanics - cool. Complain about cheaters - cool. Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand. But... Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE? You sound like a very understanding guy, how do you tend to catogorise those who feel the law/rules don't fit into there personal sense of justice. Any time for them or do you just tend to question those peoples motivations. Why are you playing EVE? maybe he enjoys it doesn't mean he has to love every aspect of it does it/
Ghoest 28	Posted - 2011.12.18 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Ghoest wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ghoest wrote: Troll or dumb noob? I cant tell the difference. Look down on others much? Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks. People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them. Complain about the game mechanics - cool. Complain about cheaters - cool. Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand. But... Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE? You sound like a very understanding guy, how do you tend to catogorise those who feel the law/rules don't fit into there personal sense of justice. Any time for them or do you just tend to question those peoples motivations. Why are you playing EVE? maybe he enjoys it doesn't mean he has to love every aspect of it does it/ The core aspect of EVE is that its a competition. To simply whine because people are competing with you is lame and suggests that its the wrong game for you. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 52	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:07:00 - [25] - Quote This thread never gets old, I've missed it
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 54	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:12:00 - [26] - Quote I fly an alt. Alt #1 tanks the rest of the mission and leaves scram frigs in situ, Alt #2 starts salvaging. If a ninja comes in, I bug out. He has to GTFO before he's scrammed or he has to tank. If he's a noob, ya often get to salvage his ship too. Good for lulz.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 3	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:33:00 - [27] - Quote Of course it's a competitive pastime, but with any such pastime theres rules and those who will agree and disagree with them. Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people). Playing a baddass in a game doesn't make you 'all that'. How about people learn to drop there 'fantasy personality' when they hit the forum, leave all that c**p ingame. And wether you 'Leet Skillz PVPer' or 'carebear' I frankly don't care, leave that at the door, Your just another human being looking for cheap thrills at the end of the day. Demonsing others never helps anyone in the long run.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 541	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:39:00 - [28] - Quote Ninja salvaging as a profession died with the rig change. Only TEARS is hanging on to the belief it's worthy as they are a one trick pony and need to justify their existence somehow. For everyone else it's just something to pass the time and annoy people like the OP. It's a valid game mechanic and one I approve of in principal. I just can't imagine actually doing it for more than a week before getting tired of it. Salvage is essentially worthless. If you want to make rigs, buy the stuff. It's dirt cheap. You'll come out further ahead than wasting time salvaging your own wrecks. Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet.
Renturu Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance 8	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:42:00 - [29] - Quote Posts like these make me want to ninja a mission... And I run missions!!... Dude!! If you want to "keep the ninjas away" either fit your ship accordingly (combat salvage as you go), or HTFU and get back at them! There are many other ways top get your salvage booty than just in missions.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 59	Posted - 2011.12.18 04:52:00 - [30] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people). Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game? It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)



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