Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

This thread is back.

Ninja salvagers take, what, 2% of your total income from you? Poor you :P

More like 40%
Salvage is worth a lot, especially from L4's
And if its 2%, why would they take it?

Oh gosh, this makes me laugh. Salvaging for the majority of level 4's is not worth THAT much, especially considering the time effort it takes to salvage.

And they do it because they have lower SP, but can still afford a frigate with scan probes and a salvager :P

Stop doing 4's in major mission hubs.

Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

[...] it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

Troll or dumb noob?

I cant tell the difference.

Look down on others much?

Let the man have his say, hows it hurting you, no need for personal attacks.

People who cry about being picked on in EVE? Yes I look down on them.

Complain about the game mechanics - cool.
Complain about cheaters - cool.
Complain about so called friends scamming you - lame but I understand.
But...
Complain about people following the rules to profit at your expense - why are you playing EVE?

You sound like a very understanding guy, how do you tend to catogorise those who feel the law/rules don't fit into there personal sense of justice. Any time for them or do you just tend to question those peoples motivations. Why are you playing EVE? maybe he enjoys it doesn't mean he has to love every aspect of it does it/

Nothing against you personally the EVE forum 'presence' is just a little tiresome with it's GTFO and toughen up attitude. FFS this is a GAME, somepeople need to get over there 'I'm all that cos I do BAD things' attitude it's childish and make's a lot of the people round here look like complete idiots IMO (and there most likely very intelligent people).

Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game?

It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns.

Did it ever occur to you that people on the forum say HTFU etc because they are the ones who realise it is just a game?

It's the carebears who think in game actions are suprsrsbsns.

Yes man whatever you say, justify your aggressive attitude anyway it pleases you, frankly I couldn't care less.

Also calling people carebears and typing ununderstandable nonsence does kinda re-enforce my point I feel. As you obviously missed it first time round I feel a reiteration is probably futile.

Fly Free Bro

And remeber your only as mad as you wannabe

The ones that say that typically say it until they get scammed themselves out of all their isk and start bitching like a small dog that just got kicked....

And the examples you are going to cite to back up this assertion are.....

Even with all these words, you have failed to actually say anything...

Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

Well see, there's your problem.

Wrecks aren't owned by anyone and are considered free-for-all and first come first serve. Concord places no value in floating debris and thus does not deem it theft. Those game mechanics are intended to be the way they are by the devs as they've personally stated numerous times on the forums.

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Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

So I come back to eve, to find, still, people moaning and crying over this? Seriously?

omg.

Or they use an alt and screw over people who work for their money

ununderstandable nonsence

60km tractors now?

Go ahead and try and back your assertions up with proof also.

No? Yeah, that's what I thought...

No, 80km :)

Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

Why do you take salvage from missions, taking income from people?

What you do is immoral and low.

You should have kill rights on people that take salvage from wrecks you or your corp owns because it is the same as taking the loot out of the wreck, but using a module to do it.

No, 80km :)

Actually it can go up to 90km+ with the new T2 tractor beams.