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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:38:00 -
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When a complex is respawning much faster than it should be, should those who exploit many billions out of the bugged overseers get banned? We've seen it happen before and people get away with it, ccp, don't you think it's time to ban those who are doing the same again?
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Lori Carlyle
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:45:00 -
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No.
If CCP think there borked then they will fix.. albeit slowly.
Remember when one of the drones was bugged, there was a media cry from CCP main page, news page, ingame messages(I think).
Unless i see that kind of coverage of a exploit from CCP now if i encouter something that looks wrong... It will be my pleasure to reap the rewards.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:45:00 -
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Yes, a person farming a plex they know is bugged, should be banned, same as any other cheater.
 Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:49:00 -
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If it's happening again with the same type of complex(static ones) the same action should be taken, and if people were banned last time, people should be banned this time.
If it's a new feature that doesn't have previous expected behaviour (ie cosmos complexes) then I'd expect GMs to be more lenient and warn first or make an announcement - if people then continue then bans should definitely be given out..
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:53:00 -
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Why doesn't CCP introduce a little script server side that raises a flag each time an overseer spawns? Flag lists what system, which complex it is, and the time that he spawned, then they can check the respawn rate from there.
Should be part of the standard QA testing if you ask me.
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:54:00 -
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oh i'd say it's a pretty serious exploit since a certain group can make about 3-5 bill a day depending on the drops from this bugged plex. they don't care if you see them do it either, because they've gotten away with this kind of crap so much in the past that they know ccp won't ban them.
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St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Halloitsme
oh i'd say it's a pretty serious exploit since a certain group can make about 3-5 bill a day depending on the drops from this bugged plex. they don't care if you see them do it either, because they've gotten away with this kind of crap so much in the past that they know ccp won't ban them.
Are you refering to the Red alliance? or BoB? I know red did this a month or so ago till they were caught out so i guess they could be doing it again.
As for whether this is a bannable thing id say no as its ccp's job to watch out for this.
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 16:59:00 -
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i am aware that red alliance and their friends abused a complex for this kind of isk not to long ago, but that bug was fixed, and none of them got banned.
but what i am saying is there is now another bugged complex with overseers respawning many times faster than they should be, and those russians are back to their old exploiting ways again, camping at the last level, farming the overseer over and over.
I'll quit eve this time if the cheats don't get banned, the only reason they keep exploiting like this is because they don't even get into trouble for it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:03:00 -
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Here's an idea: Remove complexes.
So many problems in this game stem from PvE content... sigh.
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:04:00 -
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or how about they just fix the bugged one and ban the people who abused it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Halloitsme
or how about they just fix the bugged one and ban the people who abused it.
Because another one will break and another group will exploit it.
I have no experience with complexes, my original post was just kind of 'out there', what exactly is their purpose for existing at all?
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IBTL \o/
Fix the ******* map!
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Alumion
Amarr
Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alumion on 17/02/2007 17:17:20
Here is an idea, post with your main!
Your only post other than the ones in this thread is also aimed against RA (Linkage), so whoose alt are you?
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Jarjar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Halloitsme
or how about they just fix the bugged one and ban the people who abused it.
Because another one will break and another group will exploit it.
I have no experience with complexes, my original post was just kind of 'out there', what exactly is their purpose for existing at all?
PvE content, perhaps?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:25:00 -
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Of course.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente
Purify
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:29:00 -
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No, because it's still there.
There are many other things that people consider exploits (Logoffski), that haven't been banned and people largely explain it by saying "Because it's still there, ergo not an exploit".
So I think that if it's still there it isn't an exploit because if it was it wouldn't be.
That makes perfect sense.
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Halloitsme on 17/02/2007 17:28:47
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
No, because it's still there.
There are many other things that people consider exploits (Logoffski), that haven't been banned and people largely explain it by saying "Because it's still there, ergo not an exploit".
So I think that if it's still there it isn't an exploit because if it was it wouldn't be.
That makes perfect sense.
Doesn't it?
You win retard of the year award. Well done.
Could someone else explain to him exactly why he won the award? With his above reasoning, i really don't feel like doing it just about now.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:31:00 -
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Those saying no need their heads checked.
If they know it's exploiting a bug, then they should be banned. No if's, no buts, just ban.
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Those saying no need their heads checked.
If they know it's exploiting a bug, then they should be banned. No if's, no buts, just ban.
Oh know it's a bug alright, thats why they often blow up the overseer wreck to try to hide the evidence that people can scan for.
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Alumion
Amarr
Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Alumion on 17/02/2007 17:34:00
Originally by: Halloitsme
Edited by: Halloitsme on 17/02/2007 17:28:47
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
No, because it's still there.
There are many other things that people consider exploits (Logoffski), that haven't been banned and people largely explain it by saying "Because it's still there, ergo not an exploit".
So I think that if it's still there it isn't an exploit because if it was it wouldn't be.
That makes perfect sense.
Doesn't it?
You win retard of the year award. Well done.
Could someone else explain to him exactly why he won the award? With his above reasoning, i really don't feel like doing it just about now.
It was sarcasm you know
And I can't see CCP budge without evidence. FRAPS or otherwise
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:37:00 -
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Does anyone know how i can get in contact with kieron?
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Alumion
Amarr
Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:39:00 -
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I think it's [email protected]
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Tulakh
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:41:00 -
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One easy solution, make complexes a 1 time run, and then just despawn them (like exploration).
If it is a static plex just let it spawn somewhere randomly.
This way NO one has a clear advantage and if say 90% is moved into exploration it would spice up the exploration occupation quite nicely (aswell as make the spots now abundant of complexes free for some cosmos?).
But then this can be repeated as often as i (or anyone else) want but in the end it is ccp their call and they may have other more pressing issues except exploits seem like first priority issues anyway.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente
Purify
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 17/02/2007 17:43:42
Originally by: Halloitsme
Edited by: Halloitsme on 17/02/2007 17:28:47
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
No, because it's still there.
There are many other things that people consider exploits (Logoffski), that haven't been banned and people largely explain it by saying "Because it's still there, ergo not an exploit".
So I think that if it's still there it isn't an exploit because if it was it wouldn't be.
That makes perfect sense.
Doesn't it?
You win retard of the year award. Well done.
Could someone else explain to him exactly why he won the award? With his above reasoning, i really don't feel like doing it just about now.
Oh dear,
Well done you!
Yippee!
An award!
And from such a well qualified source..............
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Gort
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tulakh
One easy solution, make complexes a 1 time run, and then just despawn them (like exploration).
If it is a static plex just let it spawn somewhere randomly.
This way NO one has a clear advantage and if say 90% is moved into exploration it would spice up the exploration occupation quite nicely (aswell as make the spots now abundant of complexes free for some cosmos?).
But then this can be repeated as often as i (or anyone else) want but in the end it is ccp their call and they may have other more pressing issues except exploits seem like first priority issues anyway.
Wait a minute! Who said sensible ideas were allowed in here?
Gort
Low-tech sig:
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:08:00 -
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They should, and so should account sharers, characters purchased off ebay, etc...
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tough Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon
As for whether this is a bannable thing id say no as its ccp's job to watch out for this.
And it's our job not to exploit the game... These people accused exploiting often tote them selves as experianced players having much knowledge of the game. Do to this there is no way they can use the "oh we did not know" crap that we know they ultimatly will fall back on if they are infact punished. Exploiting is exploting no matter how you dress it up. Suspension, warning, bans what ever it takes to get people to stop cheating is fine by me.
As for the whole "remove complexes" idea, can't agree with you more. I strongly feel that complexes and even high profit low sec missions have pretty much ruined much of the "risk" factor that this game once had. It also makes it EXTREMELY hard to ballance the whole risk vrs. reward that so many people have been demanding for a long time. Making belt ratting more profitable than mission running or even 5/10 complexes seems to make complese sense as you're setting yourself up to get ganked and this vulnerability should = isk, nuf said.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jarjar
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Halloitsme
or how about they just fix the bugged one and ban the people who abused it.
Because another one will break and another group will exploit it.
I have no experience with complexes, my original post was just kind of 'out there', what exactly is their purpose for existing at all?
PvE content, perhaps?
Umm, in 0.0? PvE content is thataway (/me points at empire)
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IBTL \o/
Fix the ******* map!
No such thing as griefing in Eve |
Shinto Shai
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Posted - 2007.02.17 20:23:00 -
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if you find an exploit or hac then please by all means you should use it ruthlessley and without fear of recrimination
after all its what the ccp devs would do.
anything it takes to win man
anything at all
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:39:00 -
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The best thing would be to let alliances create and regulate their own side currencies.
They wouldn't work on the markets, but numbered wallets might be able to handle it. Alternately, it could be an IGB based thing implemented and managed solely by groups of players. It would just be coupon schemes at first, but it would probably mature quickly with our player base.
Then we could just give isk its approximate real exchange rate, which is next to nothing. Services could be bought and sold in national currencies instead. CCP needs to get rid of the NPC protections of isk value on base level objects, like NPC sell orders. Or reduce the refine rate of shuttles, etcetera to 1 unit of trit.
Let the market float. Missions and complexes will quickly grow to be a waste of time except for the loot drops. This will separate EVE from the other grinder mmos permanently. Ore will attain it's proper labor value. The NPC economy will just be a NPE learning tool until players get up to the Player 2 Player economy. Plus it will really mess up isk sellers because player economies can take political action in their own markets. It will sort out the aggressive, innovative, well-organized alliances and corporations from the chaff and the indolent.
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Ben Derindar
KelBen Productions
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Posted - 2007.02.17 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Of course.
But, but... who will the goons have left in the south to be friends with?
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Here's an idea: Remove complexes.
It's sad that I actually find myself agreeing with this, but it really is the ultimate solution to the problem.
/Ben
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