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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:42:27 Posted in wrong area, please move the Eve General as was intended... thank you.
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Tarkan Kador
Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.02.18 08:48:00 -
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I agree. It could actually be a good money making opportunity for you CCP, by selling big, glossy, hardcover rulebooks in your store. |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.18 09:03:00 -
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The inconsistency in GM reimbursements has always been astounding. It really seems to all depend on how much you can sweet talk them...
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The inconsistency in GM reimbursements has always been astounding. It really seems to all depend on how much you can sweet talk them...
I find that quite disturbing.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The inconsistency in GM reimbursements has always been astounding. It really seems to all depend on how much you can sweet talk them...
Seriously, why do you think we're not allowed to discuss GM actions? It makes it so CCP doesn't have to be hardliners on consistency. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The inconsistency in GM reimbursements has always been astounding. It really seems to all depend on how much you can sweet talk them...
Seriously, why do you think we're not allowed to discuss GM actions? It makes it so CCP doesn't have to be hardliners on consistency.
You cant discuss it because people are bull****ters. They would come on here and lie through their dirty little teeth in order to get public opinion on their side, truth or not.
Just take a look at the D2 titan threads, 60 pages and loads of them screaming "omfg passive targeter hax!" and "shooting in the bubble11!", "the titan was aggroed by shooting npc wrecks!11eleven1"
Absolute rubbish like this would be all over the forums and CCP would be second guessed and have to explain itself needlessly.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:39:00 -
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One would think that CCP would want to reduce the amount of petitions they have to deal with. IF you have a definitive document that states exactly how things work, how much more black and white can you get?
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War Machine
Murini Ice Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The inconsistency in GM reimbursements has always been astounding. It really seems to all depend on how much you can sweet talk them...
It could be because some people communicate their grievances better than others.
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Verite Rendition Seriously, why do you think we're not allowed to discuss GM actions? It makes it so CCP doesn't have to be hardliners on consistency.
You cant discuss it because people are bull****ters. They would come on here and lie through their dirty little teeth in order to get public opinion on their side, truth or not.
Just take a look at the D2 titan threads, 60 pages and loads of them screaming "omfg passive targeter hax!" and "shooting in the bubble11!", "the titan was aggroed by shooting npc wrecks!11eleven1"
Absolute rubbish like this would be all over the forums and CCP would be second guessed and have to explain itself needlessly.
Quoting a pretty much perfect reply.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Verite Rendition Seriously, why do you think we're not allowed to discuss GM actions? It makes it so CCP doesn't have to be hardliners on consistency.
You cant discuss it because people are bull****ters. They would come on here and lie through their dirty little teeth in order to get public opinion on their side, truth or not.
Just take a look at the D2 titan threads, 60 pages and loads of them screaming "omfg passive targeter hax!" and "shooting in the bubble11!", "the titan was aggroed by shooting npc wrecks!11eleven1"
Absolute rubbish like this would be all over the forums and CCP would be second guessed and have to explain itself needlessly.
Quoting a pretty much perfect reply.
Which has nothing to do with the op...
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Which has nothing to do with the op...
How do you document something as complex as EvE?
Theres a wiki project at some stage of development but face it, eve evolves faster than traditional manuals can keep up with. Also, part of the joy of the game is the learning.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
If anybody thinks all the combinations occuring in an rather open game as eve can be predicted and evaluated he obviously bases assumptions on void. I wonder if the GM's would still need education if ascn wouldnt loose?
p.s. xxx-oku, it sounds so familiar...
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
If anybody thinks all the combinations occuring in an rather open game as eve can be predicted and evaluated he obviously bases assumptions on void. I wonder if the GM's would still need education if ascn wouldnt loose?
p.s. xxx-oku, it sounds so familiar...
wow, you sure is a smart one.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 12:52:25
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Drakma
Which has nothing to do with the op...
How do you document something as complex as EvE?
Theres a wiki project at some stage of development but face it, eve evolves faster than traditional manuals can keep up with. Also, part of the joy of the game is the learning.
The wiki project is not a guide produced by CCP. It is a computer game, and as such has inherent rules in which it runs. If you can't document those rules, then you shouldn't be programming...
You may find it fun paying CCP to beta test their software, but others don't.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
You may find it fun paying CCP to beta test their software, but others don't.
Quit then and stop whining if its not fun for you.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Drakma
You may find it fun paying CCP to beta test their software, but others don't.
Quit then and stop whining if its not fun for you.
Go back in your troll hole.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Drakma
You may find it fun paying CCP to beta test their software, but others don't.
Quit then and stop whining if its not fun for you.
Go back in your troll hole.
why must everyone who disagrees with you be a troll? The 'i dont wanna beta test software here' line is overused, and wrong. but yes, in truth, stop screaming for what you want. this is what EVE is. if you don't like it, CIHYS _ Your sig is pwn - Eris
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Drakma
You may find it fun paying CCP to beta test their software, but others don't.
Quit then and stop whining if its not fun for you.
Go back in your troll hole.
why must everyone who disagrees with you be a troll? The 'i dont wanna beta test software here' line is overused, and wrong. but yes, in truth, stop screaming for what you want. this is what EVE is. if you don't like it, CIHYS
He wasn't even arguing a point, merely telling me to quit whining and leave, sorry that's a troll.
Personally, I think documentation of this game would help clear up a lot of the crap that has been happening lately. Now, if you want to be constructive and discuss that topic, I have no problem, but if you come in here screaming, "whiner, then quit!" then you've done nothing constructive.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
If anybody thinks all the combinations occuring in an rather open game as eve can be predicted and evaluated he obviously bases assumptions on void. I wonder if the GM's would still need education if ascn wouldnt loose?
p.s. xxx-oku, it sounds so familiar...
wow, you sure is a smart one.
if i were smart i wouldnt waste my time reading all this crap dude. Im just sick of seeing ppl taking out on CCP, they made a game many like and trolling about uneducated GMs wont help it get any better. If u know a perfect game pls link me the download link. Is it a book of ''known bugs cheat exploits and walkthroughts'' u ask for from CCP or u just need some fitting advice?
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Maraleith
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:12:00 -
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If the rules are not clear - how can anyone know what is acceptable and what is not? If one GM rules one way - is it not reasonable that another should rule the same way in the same circumstances?
It's how the English legal system has worked for several hundred years so I think it would work for Eve.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
If anybody thinks all the combinations occuring in an rather open game as eve can be predicted and evaluated he obviously bases assumptions on void. I wonder if the GM's would still need education if ascn wouldnt loose?
p.s. xxx-oku, it sounds so familiar...
wow, you sure is a smart one.
if i were smart i wouldnt waste my time reading all this crap dude. Im just sick of seeing ppl taking out on CCP, they made a game many like and trolling about uneducated GMs wont help it get any better. If u know a perfect game pls link me the download link. Is it a book of ''known bugs cheat exploits and walkthroughts'' u ask for from CCP or u just need some fitting advice?
Uh, I'm not "taking out" on CCP or trolling about GM's. I'm asking for their game to be document so that everybody knows how it's supposed to work. If you can't see that as a positive way to help the game, then you should stop reading this thread now.
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Valekrin Ziemisra
12-Gauge
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:15:00 -
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Quote: Just take a look at the D2 titan threads, 60 pages and loads of them screaming "omfg passive targeter hax!" and "shooting in the bubble11!", "the titan was aggroed by shooting npc wrecks!11eleven1"
The reason people are yelling that is because its a possibility, and has been done in the past, and im guessing still isnt fixed.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:16:00 -
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There is VERY little skill in EvE beyond game knowledge.
If someone put a gigantic book of how it all works together most of the fun would have been ruined for me.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maraleith If the rules are not clear - how can anyone know what is acceptable and what is not? If one GM rules one way - is it not reasonable that another should rule the same way in the same circumstances?
It's how the English legal system has worked for several hundred years so I think it would work for Eve.
i wont my seat in the lords chamber and a subcontinent to enslave also!! now take ure rl comparaisons out pls as i dont want to mine for months and months to hire a lawyer who will tell me who can i gank and who i cant without having problems with the ''law''. Neither i want to pay timecodes more bcs ccp need a serier of legal institutions and law making experts.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite There is VERY little skill in EvE beyond game knowledge.
If someone put a gigantic book of how it all works together most of the fun would have been ruined for me.
God point, but I'm not asking for an "I win" book. Merely something that outlines how aspects of the game work...
1) How corporations work.... 2) How alliances work... . . . 20) How POS work...
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: hybridundertaker
Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 18/02/2007 08:41:36 And please educate your GM's. I realize you're going through internal issues/restructuring but when there is no definitive guide on how something is supposed to work, you show your lack of respect towards the playerbase.
If anybody thinks all the combinations occuring in an rather open game as eve can be predicted and evaluated he obviously bases assumptions on void. I wonder if the GM's would still need education if ascn wouldnt loose?
p.s. xxx-oku, it sounds so familiar...
wow, you sure is a smart one.
if i were smart i wouldnt waste my time reading all this crap dude. Im just sick of seeing ppl taking out on CCP, they made a game many like and trolling about uneducated GMs wont help it get any better. If u know a perfect game pls link me the download link. Is it a book of ''known bugs cheat exploits and walkthroughts'' u ask for from CCP or u just need some fitting advice?
Uh, I'm not "taking out" on CCP or trolling about GM's. I'm asking for their game to be document so that everybody knows how it's supposed to work. If you can't see that as a positive way to help the game, then you should stop reading this thread now.
well sry if i was being offensive in my words but ive been reading forums all morning and the spirit got to me... I dont think a book like that can be done tbh and there is a lot of usefull info in blogs and threads (but it is hard to find due to all the troling around).
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:23:00 -
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Yeah a manual covering the basic game mechanics that rarely if ever change would be a good thing. OR adding a small paragraph to the modules that will start or restart an agro timer and (for people who don't know) exactly what an agro timer is and what it doesn't let you do or the places where you can't go.
There's more of course. Like what exactly is the refining rate in a 50% station with speciality skills maxed and 0% standings when the base is already 97% without those bonuses? Can it really be over 100%?
Anyway, there are guides around, and if you have a specific query and no one in your corp or alliance can help, you could ask in local or if you're really desperate the Help channel. Otherwise specifics can be asked on the forum. It's not that difficult really.
On the other hand a hardback Eve collection of artwork, stories and game mechanics, as well as Alliance history would be a great purchase don't you think? Life is about memories the more the better. Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers! |
Nahual
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:25:00 -
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush Yeah a manual covering the basic game mechanics that rarely if ever change would be a good thing. OR adding a small paragraph to the modules that will start or restart an agro timer and (for people who don't know) exactly what an agro timer is and what it doesn't let you do or the places where you can't go.
There's more of course. Like what exactly is the refining rate in a 50% station with speciality skills maxed and 0% standings when the base is already 97% without those bonuses? Can it really be over 100%?
Anyway, there are guides around, and if you have a specific query and no one in your corp or alliance can help, you could ask in local or if you're really desperate the Help channel. Otherwise specifics can be asked on the forum. It's not that difficult really.
On the other hand a hardback Eve collection of artwork, stories and game mechanics, as well as Alliance history would be a great purchase don't you think?
That's all well and good that there are resources out there, but they are not by CCP and as such are not "official." With an official guide, a lot of guesswork gets removed from the game for many players and GM's
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