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doseph	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:45:00 - [1] Edited by: doseph on 18/02/2007 10:43:02 My question won't be readily obvious in the begining, but it is there. This has been bugging me to hell and back, and no one seems to have an answer. My first MMO was Earth and Beyond, I'll admit I was expecting large fleet battles, being able to pilot and command huge carriers and destroyers...or possibly the best way to explain it: I was expecting battles like seen in Star-Wars(I was 15, **** off! :P). But to my disappointment, it wasn't so. Since explaining everything would get a bit tedious, I'll fastforward a bit. The next two MMO's I played were Star-Wars Galaxies(Played for 1 month) and...sadly, World of Warcraft. Now starting off, World of Warcraft had an edge to it. I stuck with it, leading to 2 60s and being in the best Guild on the server...It took me 7 months to realize I wasn't even having fun with the game. But once I realized I wasn't having fun, I saw how many flaws it had...oh so many. But I had made so many relationships it was hard to let go. Luckily I had a friend slap me with a large batch of reality, and I quit not long after. Then a few months later, that same friend brought Eve to my attention, the trial anyway. He said it had hints of Earth and Beyond, so I gave it a shot. Although it was a stupid decision, he told me not to run through the tutorial (which I didn't). It felt like someone had taken frieght train of information and plowed into my face, I was overwhelmed with how much content there was(after playing WoW, a game inteded for 9 year olds, can you blame me?) I figured it wasn't my type of game, it found itself in the recycle bin. Another 2 months and here I am with a sudden interest for a completely unique and extensive MMO. I thought immediatly of Eve and jumped on with the trial - I went through the tutorial 4 times, read everything there was and asked about 600 questions in the Rookie Channel. I was determined to get my Eve character off the ground. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, but I knew I had alot of options(more then almost every game combined could offer)Going through the tutorial felt better, until you realize that it only teaches you about 10% of the actual game. However as I play the game, I continue to ask myself a simple question...is it too late for me in Eve? I hear these magnificent stories of enormous fleet battles led by greedy and righteous corporations out for revenge or territory. Alliances that go horribly wrong leading to a breakdown in an entire region. Massive mining operations being ambushed by loot hungry pirates and my favorite, politics. I have had more fun in 14 days doing mining operations with my corp then I had in the entire 7 months of WoW. But those same stories are from people who have played 3 years, not 16 days...I will never be in a 50 on 50 battle fighting for my corp. Never to deal with the politics, alliances and war that such a corp could bring. I will never be in the big picture of Eve, only in the background trying to find some way of getting on that scene. To me, THAT is the glory of Eve. Struggle. Knowning that the entire game is made by the players, THEY make the choices. No pre-made forces and sides, no raiding the same boss over and over. But I am surrounded by 3 year veterans. 3 years of gianing relationships, reputations in Corporations, 3 years of fleet battles and 3 years of lost cruisers, battle ships and pods... I can't compete with that. So here is my question to you, is it even possible for someone as new as me to stand along side you veterans in this enormous community and experience? Or am I stuck standing on the side-lines, watching you take territories and squinting everytime my screen lights up with the flashes and bangs of your wars?
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:48:00 - [2] Quote: Is it too late for me in Eve? No. _______ Rodj Blake > We Amarrians do things with dignity Evanda Char > That's not what the last dessert trolley you visited said
maCH'EttE	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:52:00 - [3] Answer: No. I played for 2 years, then took a year break and recently rejoined. I was thinking the same as you - it's too late now, everyone will be so far ahead of me. But the thing is, EVE is built in a very n00b friendly way, IMO. To get your skills to Lv4 doesn't take very long, it's getting them to Lv5 which takes the vast majority of time and SP. For example, to get all the tanking, capacitor, fitting, learning and (racial) weapon skills to Lv4 will take about 4 months. Not too bad, huh. To get them to Lv5 will take you much, much longer, but only gives a small advantage. So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill. Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:54:00 - [4] ya its never too late, just stick with your profession and training , and keep learning, the beggest secret in eve is that were all newbs, each and every time something new comes out.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:03:00 - [5] It's not to late for you :) Never say Never either :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Leneerra Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:08:00 - [6] Not at all to late. It does not realy matter how long you have been in the game. Just done expect to be an earth shaker in 2 months time.. although perhaps... and those 50/50 or bigger battles are to be had easely for you, just do not expect to be lead FC or CEO of that corp (at the start) Community leaders do not get there by training social to 5, it is personality and some experience (as well as integrity) that is required for that. Just try it. Make a plan. Allow for human failling (in your minions at least). Some things you probebly already know: Remember that your actions color the view of others. Heroics are always viewed favorebly, cowardess always negatively (no matter what side you were on). Some people lead, some only follow. Never force them on the other path, they will eventually leave. People that follow need (ready made) entertainment (Bread and games for the masses). Poeple that lead, want responcibility and challenge. Generaly people look at their own intrest first. Make sure that medium and long term gains are better than the short term ones (such as theft or betrayal) and you will suffer less of it.
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:09:00 - [7] It's only to late when you let it be. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:13:00 - [8] Perhaps you believe you cannot compete at a level for which you are satisfied with - I'm not sure, but you can compete. As for being involved in fleet battles, regardless of what you might think, alliances and the corporations within them are, for the most part, recruiting good players. You would be welcome, you would be able to stand beside veterans and you would learn at an accelerated rate. Hope you find what you're looking for. AK Recruitment Film
Sean Dillon Caldari LEGI0N	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Sean Dillon on 18/02/2007 11:13:55 A newly created player almost has all the skills he need to get into cruiser (aside from having the isk). And thats all you need bassicly to get into pvp. Many of those "enourmeus" 50 vs 50 fleet engagements have mostly alot of cannonf.. I mean cruisers and frigs for support. For that you dont need a ton of experience, you can join in right away and take part in the fighting. Infact its a good way to learn the pvp side of the game. Every newbie can do the basic things of mining, trading, pvp and mission running. I suggest you try them all when you start and join a corporation based on what you like the most. It is the more advanced things, which all those other players have a head start in, that will require alot of training for you to do. But ask yourself, what is a game without goals for you? Your best bet is to make a choice when you start what you like the best, and specialize in that. You'll find in a month or 2 you'll have advanced far on that field of choice and be competative with other 3 year old players on that field. I know from my time in KOS, corvino and something leading alliance fleets around. I dont think he was older then 4 months.
SumDum Caldari AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:16:00 - [10] doseph, Speaking from personal experience, it's not too late. I started over recently, I left MMO's and Eve back around launch. I came back recently and went through the same thing that you are going through. As a young character, you will experience some frustration for awhile, not finding your place, but it will eventually pass. Get with a good group of players, that is the key to Eve for me. A solid network of like-minded people next to you will help you find your niche and allow you to grow and experience this game.
Virida Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:16:00 - [11] Skill vise, you are able to specialize in 2-3 months time after being a total newbie, the players who has played for years dont got more special ingame SKILLPOINTS to help them, than a newbie, after a ship type is maxed with shipskill5, gun or missile 5, electronics, engineering, and tanking skill is up, that's it. They train a new thing. There is always room for new players, all alliances in the game needs new players, from time to time
Dermar Cerebar	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:22:00 - [12] Very good post Doseph, and as a result you will get many very good replies. There are many of the vetreran players who would be proud to stand beside you. You are clearly intelligent, keen, observant and willing to learn. We have taken 2 people into corp in the last couple of months who had only 4-6 weeks play time under their belts, and we have great fun flying with them, helping them progress in the game, teaching them setups, training plans, career plans... what do we get? New friends, and that really is what this game is about. Good luck with the game. If you need help or are interested in corp life, feel free to give me a mail in game... Oh, and pack up your real life, you will not be needing that any more.
Esaam DeVries Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:23:00 - [13] The only part of EvE that will be very hard for you to explore is the whole T2 BPO and production. The rest is waiting for you. -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:39:00 - [14] Even tho im involved Now, in my time ive missed some epic wars in my time the GNW FOE FE etc etc etc etc BUT what im trying to say is no matter you miss now, we will always be making wars. The next one is for the next generation my friend, new people and new stories ;) Black Lance Brother
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:50:00 - [15] Originally by: doseph ..is it too late for me in Eve? That depends only on yourself. Don't expect wonders that you will be able to fly a carrier or such in 1 month, you won't. But... it is never too late! Why not? Because even the biggest guys with 50+ SP can only have skills at level 5. They don't have frigate level 50 or something for example. So within a few days you can train frig to level 5 also and then you are even with the big guy in this area. It only needs you to stay focused and determined, that's all. "The next Titan will be a real kill", Sir Molle
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:52:00 - [16] funny how I had the exact same thought when I joined 6 months after release. To be successful in eve all you need is ambition. oh and a complete lack of morality helps aswell.
Victor Merren The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:54:00 - [17] No its not too late. I have been in game or almost a year now and I have to admit that I also still cannot do some of the things that my alliance mates can do: fly a dreadnaught or a carrier for example. That is not really a problem as there are many many other things you can do, like admire them in space and in action, and of course actively work to extend their magnificence by creating cyno fields, providing support or intel or whatever else is needed. So no, never too late. Eve may have hit a rough patch with regard to long term player satisfaction, but this just shows the level of committment we all have to this platform and I can see a bright future ahead. V.
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:57:00 - [18] No its definitely not too late Focus on one particular race/faction and skill the hell out of it. By this i mean concentrate on your character faction ship/weapon type. You will be able to fly a decent array of ships and be able to participate in fleets and things no matter the size of the ship you fly. Every ship has a role ! I have played for over 2 years, but still no where near able to fly a carrier or dread. There plenty of fun to be had with a cruiser class ship and you could be flying one of those quite well within a month. The only issue you might have is the isk earning ability and the ability to replace what you lose early in the game, for this you should only ever fly what you can afford to lose in a fight ! Froggy
Toyminator	Posted - 2007.02.18 11:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Toyminator on 18/02/2007 11:54:48 Honestly, I think that this recruiting poster really quite says it all. Everyone counts. Everyone matters. Regardless of which corporation you join, just realize that you can contribute even on Day One.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Stitcher on 18/02/2007 11:59:01 Originally by: doseph But those same stories are from people who have played 3 years, not 16 days...I will never be in a 50 on 50 battle fighting for my corp. Never to deal with the politics, alliances and war that such a corp could bring. I will never be in the big picture of Eve, only in the background trying to find some way of getting on that scene. To me, THAT is the glory of Eve. Struggle. Knowning that the entire game is made by the players, THEY make the choices. No pre-made forces and sides, no raiding the same boss over and over. But I am surrounded by 3 year veterans. 3 years of gianing relationships, reputations in Corporations, 3 years of fleet battles and 3 years of lost cruisers, battle ships and pods... I can't compete with that. I have been playing this game for less than a year and a half. Already, I am one of my alliance's senior fleet commanders. I was one of its most active PvPers before I could even fly battleships. It is FAR from too late for you. I know guys who have only been playing for a few months who are even now running around in Fountain taking part in those same huge wars. Hell, even before this whole BoB v. Everyone Else thing kicked off, we were seeing fighs of 50 Vs 50 and bigger in our home region (Hi Tri! Hi Beagle!) This is one of the things that people rarely teach the game's newcomers - you don't have to have the same number of skill points in order to compete. Just specialize in one particular thing, at one particular level, and before very long you'll have become as good in that one thing as it is possible for anyone to get. Do that for, say, lasers and Mechanic, and you are already an excellent Amarr pilot Max out your capacitor skills for good measure, and you become an Amarrian master. Throw in drones and some hybrid turret skills, and you've got an excellent Gallente pilot. The key is always to focus. despite the fact that it's impossible to catch up with the number of skill points the three-year veterans have, you'll find it quite easy to match their performance in any given field rather quickly. Good hunting! ***
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:05:00 - [21] I played EVE for about 6 months, left, then came back around the time the BoB-ASCN war heated up. I figure in actual play I'm at about 9 months. For the last 2 weeks I have been fighting in every fleet battle I can get into in the present war, and generally having the time of my life. The real key is, I could have been doing this about 4 months game-time earlier had I not trained up mining barges etc. (though I don't regret it). So no, it's not too late. It's never too late, and trust me, no, you probably never want to fly a Titan if you've ever sat in a Cov Ops watching one for an hour or two (which is about the same experience as flying one).
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:06:00 - [22] Too late??? never! Unless u are still expecting to become the head of some big alliance that is, i think that will be hard to accomplish, but if u still manage it within say... the next 2 years, please convo me and smack me in the face with it, i will be very impressed I also suggest in the beginning u try a little of everything (yes even pirating) to see if u have a pref of anything. Anyways good luck in EVE. Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
J Valkor	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:16:00 - [23] Originally by: maCH'EttE So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill. That is not true. There is only so much speccing you can do in skill set before you are maxed. I imagine that the 55+ mil SP players have multiple specializations, can fly a variety of ships with an array of different weapon systems, but somebody with only 15 mil can be just as specialized in one area.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Micia Quote: Is it too late for me in Eve? No. indeed. Grab yourself a frig, mwd, scrambler and put your application in at an office of whichever corp tickles your fancy. You want fights and epic battles, well, as a tackler you don't get any closer to the fight. And any half decent corp should be feeding you ships and mods to keep you in the field, we do after all love our tacklers (maily because they're dirt cheap to keep in action and hold things still for more effecient exploding )
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:08:00 - [25] Is it to late for you in real life? No. Same can be said for EVE. Just because you were born at a time when people are already successful at pretty much any business, doesn't mean you can get "there" when you're at the right stage of life. In the same way, just because you started playing at a time when there are largely successful corps running around - for many years at that, doens't mean you can't get somewhere. It just takes work and time, is all. ----------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Engelious Angelion Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:15:00 - [26] let me say this in short... NOT AT ALL!!! _______________________________________________
Jim Pooley	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:24:00 - [27] Originally by: maCH'EttE Answer: No. I played for 2 years, then took a year break and recently rejoined. I was thinking the same as you - it's too late now, everyone will be so far ahead of me. But the thing is, EVE is built in a very n00b friendly way, IMO. To get your skills to Lv4 doesn't take very long, it's getting them to Lv5 which takes the vast majority of time and SP. For example, to get all the tanking, capacitor, fitting, learning and (racial) weapon skills to Lv4 will take about 4 months. Not too bad, huh. To get them to Lv5 will take you much, much longer, but only gives a small advantage. So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill. Couldn't have put it better. Stick at it matey, ask questions. Enjoy, and drink beer. It's all good! ------------------------------------------ Mines a Pint of Large
Gr3atWhite	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:27:00 - [28] YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *******S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Gr3atWhite YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *******S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK. Please ignore this guy. This tool doesn't even realise that I'm still somewhat carebear. ----------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Gr3atWhite YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *****S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK. I'm guessing you had a bad day? *
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Gr3atWhite YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *****S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK. On behalf of the eve community and just about anyone I say: STFU Nobody here cares what you think if you present your thoughts like that. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No **heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:51:00 - [32] find a corp and if u can identify with the goals of that corp justzt put your work and energy behind that goal. every isk and manhour counts. new chars can work as scouts or tacklers or if u like mining more u can fly a hauler in a mining corp.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 18:53:00 - [33] It is not too late to play eVe but I will not lie to you. You will never ever catch up with the older players. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Major Stuart Caldari XanTara.	Posted - 2007.02.18 18:58:00 - [34] no its not to late, there are small corps to help have wars in then as you gain a rep and experience the bigger corps may let you in and you get into the huge battles, older people will quit and corps are always looking for new members to grow and help them fight
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:00:00 - [35] Originally by: doseph kick arse post Every member of the Eve community starts out the same. Tossed into a crappy rookie frigate with 5,000ISK and a basic miner and civvy weapon. Some have remained small scale, others have risen from the same fundemental position in the game to command alliances of thousands of players, and corporations with Trillion ISK industrial portfolios. You're asking "Is it too late for me?" when you should be asking "How can I make my mark on New Eden, and what do I want to be here?" Remember this one thing, and ask yourself that question again. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Verone Originally by: doseph kick arse post Every member of the Eve community starts out the same. Tossed into a crappy rookie frigate with 5,000ISK and a basic miner and civvy weapon. Some have remained small scale, others have risen from the same fundemental position in the game to command alliances of thousands of players, and corporations with Trillion ISK industrial portfolios. You're asking "Is it too late for me?" when you should be asking "How can I make my mark on New Eden, and what do I want to be here?" Remember this one thing, and ask yourself that question again. In fact its now easier than ever, you start off with what? just short of a million SP? Well I started actively and solo pvping with about 500k SP.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:46:00 - [37] I've found that a Corp can make or break your EVE experience, and quickly. When I left the n00b Corp after a week, I joined a corp that I had found by trolling the MASSIVE recruitment forum. I was damn lucky and hit a good one right off the bat. Sure everything was overwhelming at first, but my learning/knowledge increased exponentially, and much of that can be attributed to my Corp. That having been said, I admit to occasianally feeling a bit ****ed when encountering a couple of wartarget Command ships piloted by 3 year olds, or when someone says something like "if you aint got a bil or two, you aint doing squat!", or when rats appear 30km away and insta pop my barge before I can bail, even aligned...but I figure I will just keep plugging away and try to keep anything truly idiotic from happening, I dont know what else to do.
Chen Lianshi Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:52:00 - [38] Just look at how many answers you got and the quality of them. You won't find this community anywhere else. It's not too late.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Kehmor Originally by: Verone Originally by: doseph kick arse post Every member of the Eve community starts out the same. Tossed into a crappy rookie frigate with 5,000ISK and a basic miner and civvy weapon. Some have remained small scale, others have risen from the same fundemental position in the game to command alliances of thousands of players, and corporations with Trillion ISK industrial portfolios. You're asking "Is it too late for me?" when you should be asking "How can I make my mark on New Eden, and what do I want to be here?" Remember this one thing, and ask yourself that question again. In fact its now easier than ever, you start off with what? just short of a million SP? Well I started actively and solo pvping with about 500k SP. 800k SP or so is what you start with now. And yea, hop in and boom, instant PvP. Head on over to the recruitment forums and you will probably be able to find a corporation or alliance that suits you. Still plenty of time to join the great war. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Kaalen	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:57:00 - [40] Almost certainly yes. I started playing nearly 3 years ago, played for about a year and then stopped. When I came back I decided that I wanted a fresh start and made the new character that you see today and I'm currently have a LOT more fun in tech 1 frigates than I ever had in my old battleship. And I've already had a hand in the destruction of several ships piloted by more experienced players. EVE isn't about getting the biggest and best things, and the highest skillpoints. It's a game about teamwork and freedom. Join a good corp, make some new friends and have fun. You'd be astonished what you'll be able to achieve in as little as a few weeks. Once you've learned the ins and out of combat and fleet movement in EVE then yes, you -can- be in that 50 on 50 fleet battle. Politics is a little more difficult to get into, but that's entirely dependant on you and your corp/alliance, not your skillpoints or your ship. That's the beauty of EVE, you can do whatever you want, you just have to do it.
Adrian Kerensky Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:58:00 - [41] I started playing 2 years ago. Joined a small corp which was quite industry based. Had a real good time getting to know people and after about 2 months realised how much I didn't like mining. The corp then moved to low sec in which we laid claim to a system (Camal) and had quite a few running battles with a pirate corp (The Lost Souls). This sparked an interest in piracy and so I started practicing, killing the innocent for my own riches. I left my original corp after about 10 months and joined TLS for a few weeks before then joining the Red Alliance with a few friends. Had great fun there taking part in large fleet battles, small pvp, solo pvp, everything (except mining ). After this I left Red Alliance and joined my current corp (with a few months in between in my original corp which had rejoined). I now have two accounts (this being the second). I've had great fun over the last two years and I'm sure you will too. It is most definately not too late for you to start playing EVE. The political landscape is constantly changing and if you are looking for fleet battles and the like you could always put in a post in the recruitment forum. People are always looking for enthusiastic new players such as yourself. Just do what you feel like doing. If you like mining and the industry side of things do that, if you like shooting things at a slow pace try mission running, if you like feeling a massive addrenalin surge then either hop in a small frigate and head out into low sec looking for targets both the same size and bigger than yourself (just because a ship is bigger than you doesn't mean it will win automatically in EVE ), or join a PvP corp to fly with some more experienced players. Whatever you choose just make sure you're having fun. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil 258 bytes over!
Evenfall Phoenix Drones of Annihilation GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:57:00 - [42] Don't worry doseph. I am a little over 2 months into Eve and am right now part of the largest war ever witnesses (from what I have been told at least lol). All it takes is a little tenacity and the will to find a group of people, hang out with them, and then join up. There's plenty of opertunities in ever to do whatever you want. You just have to figure out what you want to do, and then find a corp that does it. I too have traveled through many of different MMOs, and Eve is so far the best one I have been a part of.
Roue Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:05:00 - [43] Find a group you trust. Find a goal you want to achieve. Give it time and you'll have your own epic story rather then someone elses. This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
petergriffen Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:30:00 - [44] It's definitely not too late to start playing :) As many posters have already mentioned, there are many veterans that will be more than happy to answer even the most inane questions about anything. One thing I've always liked about this game was how willing older pilots are to help new pilots get on their feet. I find it one of the most rewarding aspects of Eve, and I'm sure a lot of others do. Eve is a daunting game, and as long as you don't get discouraged, you'll find there's a lot to enjoy in this game, regardless of what you decide to do. Good luck and hope to see you in space! I'm working on it!
x Misako	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:06:00 - [45] It's not too late!! :) Especially now, with Kali, EVE is brimming with opportunities for newer players. Both in PvE and PvP and the whole empire-building aspect. Hauling enormous amounts of stuff, building your own sexy battlecruisers, using the ship you just built to kill some people in your latest war, finding hidden riches of secret asteroid belts, coming out of warp in your lowly cruiser and saving 500 million worth of friends by smartly jamming some enemies in your cheapskate Blackbird, reselling other people's production for crazy profits... all this comes quite easily and doesn't require much training, while the fun factor is sometimes simply through the roof. We even have some relative noobs in our very combat-oriented corporation (everybody can shoot at us) One of them actually fits his ships in really terrible ways, but he's constantly on the top of our killboards simply because he likes to fight, so he's looking for fights while the others idly chat or conceive plans of world domination :). And just to give you an example, here's a bit of my story: when I started on the wrong path and became a pirate about a year ago, I was also afraid. I thought that my weak training and small amounts of available free time will ruin my EVE experience. You know - no entering hi-sec, no income, one account, one character. I was a noob with just basic anti-NPC training. I had no real friends in game. I also had to decide on a pirating ship that I would be able to support with my meagre income and the choice was pretty much limited to 3 models. I sold my missioning battleship for the initial influx of money and bought my first Rupture - and the rest is history, as they say. I met some great guys, I flew my Ruptures into most dreadful firefights, destroyed over 500 other ships, sometimes I shaked so much from the adrenaline pumping (the famous EVE shakes, it's something you gotta experience at least once before you leave the game) that I couldn't drink my damn Cola without spilling it. Now we have a whole pirate alliance, we're both fighting and running from various 0.0 alliances, and I'm still a part time player with no money, still mostly flying Minmatar Cruisers and having GREAT FUN :). I have also found enormous pleasure in having seemingly limited choices but actually having new stuff to do all the time. I fiddled with dozens of setups for Ruptures, Stabbers and Bellicoses, I learned some odd jobs, like scanning in a Covert Ops frigate, whizzing @ 6km/s in an Interceptor and looking for hidden asteroid belts with the new feature, Exploration and I realized that even if you're really, really small, you can still leave a mark on this world. It's all about two things, really: doing what you feel like doing and, unless you're a loner, joining a good corporation. Have fun :).
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:01:00 - [46] "I have had more fun in 14 days doing mining operations with my corp then I had in the entire 7 months of WoW." That says it all. NO it's not too late for you or the guy taking the tutorial for the first time 2 years from today who right now isn't even aware of EVE. NOBODY in this game is on the same character arc. With so much to do, train for, and explore factoring in atributes and skills everybody is on their own path, so in a sense you can feel behind in some areas, but those areas you're behind other people in, you're ahead of with others. Just keep a perspective. Even that 2003 character can't put all his millons of skill points into just one ship, or one profession. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:45:00 - [47] nah, perseverence will have you sitting as the right hand man to the next Cyvok, building an empire. Find a good corp to help you out. I'll help ya if you convo me ingame as well. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Lobo13 Gallente Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Micia Quote: Is it too late for me in Eve? No. Exactly, there will always be a need for fresh meat in the meatgrinder. Beyond-Redemption is recruiting

Pirlouit Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:04:00 - [49] The great thing about this game is that however small and insignificant you ship is you can have an important impact in the game.... So it is never too late. As regard to catching up... this game is not about catching up. Sure enough you are not as good as more veteran player in shooting stuff or you will have to wait some time to pilot a dread or a carrier. But some smaller ships like interdictors have their use and can be reached quite easily earlier in the game. So take your time, enjoy the game and have fun.... forum rules \| email

Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:07:00 - [50] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 19/02/2007 00:13:13 Good luck doseph, I have some advice. Always be brave but not stupid, its just isk after all. Get yourself to 0.0 as soon as you can fly a battleship... run missions and make friends with people in low sec to start off... get yourself a handle on the game controls and just enjoy it until high sec becomes boring... then find a corp that can get you out there.... Learn the hard way, getting help/advice is good but in the end hand holding makes weak people, I got my ass kicked a lot because of my cheap ship/crap skills... but I got better at PVP and eventually had a pretty good kill/death ratio... I was an enemy of my current corp up until 2 months ago, they let me join because I was tenacious and offered an honorable opponent. People will remember your name for a long... long time in eve ;) For PVE and missioning, think big, a bigger ship is generally better for low SP characters... but for pvp think SMALL. If you are solo'ing i'd reccomend cruisers for their tank/firepower/speed/cost but in groups either cruiser or special frigate... such as a maulus or griphin... these ships can be very very useful for almost no cost. Specialise in your race but remember its not hard to train frigates for other races, experiment a bit, and download EVEMon to help you plan your skills... Stay active on the forums, they keep you up to date on whats happening in eve and particularly... let you learn the lingo/hints (GET YOUR ASS TO THE SHIP SETUP SECTION ASAP ) And its never too late, welcome to eve, if you need to ask a question feel free to evemail me. Edit: If you got a lot of charisma, remake your character and ask your friend what stats you need... mine haunts me to this very day. (ccp please put a massive THIS WILL NERF YOU FOREVER sticker on charisma in char creation, please?) I also had an alt with 250k SP. Using a smaaall ammount of isk from my main she succesfully conducted a high sec war with her own corporation (Not A Pirate Corp [NAPC]) And killed a lot of people... twas fun and i learnt a lot about empire wars. So just go for it! the new char creation makes this so much easier =D
Akira Zendragon Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:10:00 - [51] Pardon the small plug, but you might be interested in joining Eve University... check the recruitment thread here Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:26:00 - [52] Edited by: The Assyrian on 19/02/2007 00:24:46 Eve isn't anything like as noob friendly as it used to be. Sorry, it just isn't. Capital ships, Titans, POS empires, coming constellation sovereignty -- the power gulf between old and new has dramatically increased in the last year or so. New players can find roles in older organizations as foot soldiers or whatever, but the Eve of today is largely shaped by 2-3 year old players, at least in 0.0. There are exceptions, but by and large, that's the reality. Yes, there's some apparatus of friendlines to noobs with the skill point raise, and there are ways newer players can find a role, but the power gap between new and old has never been wider -- and it's growing.
Kenneys	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:35:00 - [53] My assumption, if you were in the best guild in your server for WoW.. then it's obvious that you have high ambitions in Eve and intend to powergame. It is by no means easy.. but it is still doable for a complete newbie. To do so.. here are the steps: 1) Make two-three accounts. Leave those accounts training learning skills for several months. Also figure out how to make money.. (you can either blow RL money to save your personal time.. or spend a LOT of personal time to get isk) 2) Start training up science skills for all your chars, and put them into the T2 lottery ticket.All 3 chars, for all 3 accounts. This is your ONLY way of being truly successful in Eve. (Note, to some people successful means being happy.. it's obviously not in this case) 3) Start planning ahead.. do you want a miner/hauler/tank..tackler/DPS.. etc etc for those accounts. Either that or you can just join a 0.0 alliance.. fly as a peon all day long going into mass fleet PVP. It's not like WoW.. the more you raid/spend 8 hours a day fighting in fleets, the smaller your pocketbook gets. (But your alliance gets stronger) Of course, pirating is a totally different story.. it's profitable pvp.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.19 01:21:00 - [54] If your goal is not to catch up with some old veteran skillwise, you are fine. Many things in EVE don't depend on a massive amount of skill-points. And if you want to have perfect skills in everything, you'd need over 15 years or so and more skills are coming out every year. Even a vet can forget about that. People need to specialize and so a younger char can be as good or better in the field they have specialized in than an older char, who has focussed on something else. Another point is that it takes much longer to train a skill to level 5 than to level 4, but the gain from that extra skill-level is not so high, except that it might be the pre-requisite for something else. I'm not in a skill-race with my corp mates or enemies. I have an idea what I want to fly or use and so I train for it. I'm not training against someone, I train for myself or maybe for the mates, like if we lack people with this or that skill, I might train for that. You can relax, EVE is not a skill and lvl. race to the top level. You can have fun, do a lot of things and contribute to a corp or alliance without xx millions of skillpoints. Competition in pvp happens more between groups of players than between individuals. Big part if pvp is strategy and tactics, which also includes picking the right fights at the right time and avoiding to fight on the terms of your opponent, if you think you have no chance at all. Vets kill youngsters, youngsters kill vets, veterans need to retreat from youngsters and the other way around, even more true in groups. Happens all the time, though your chances are obviously higher in groups as a new player. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed.
Abrah	Posted - 2007.02.19 03:12:00 - [55] What the guys sayd here is correct... except one small important thing they sayd that you can not have as many or more skillpoints that a 3 year old active player has , ill tell you one thing..they are WRONG 1.did you know that sometimes in eve you might get opportunitis to blow a hudge quantati of isk, whell of cource not in the first months but lets say in 1 year or if you find something that you like for example marketing you can make billions of isk out of it , 2.ok so you got luky and tooked a big isk making opportunity or you have made youre homework and you made alot of isk somehow, did you know that it is legal to buy a character for isk ? yeah it is mate and gues what you can buy 1-2-3 year old characters , yes whell 40-50 mil sp chars cost like 15-25 bil isk ... but so what ? if you got lucky or fried youre brain making youreself a method to become filthy rich ..nothing is imposible not even to have a better character then old veterans.. just be carefull , learn , have fun and treat things with alot of attention
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:04:00 - [56] I'm happy to see that atleast your a person with some damn intelligence and not like the other 90% of people that come on the forums asking (rather saying it is) if it's too late. To start, no. Not at all. Basically, train, because if you don't, you'll just be back in another 2 months saying "****, I wish I trained..." The EVE bug is evil, and you won't get rid of it. But, the thing is, EVE is what you make of it. You cannot log on every couple hours/days and switch a skill and expect to get somewhere in the game. You made a comment about never being involved in a 50 on 50 fleet battle. If you want to, you could probably get involved in under 2 months, probably under 30 days. When I see a personality like yours (you seem definately willing and able to use your head), and they want 0.0 and pew pewing, your a damn good investment to the corp. Sure, right now your a aimless noob, but in 3 months, you can be a willing and effective pilot (not all vets are cruisin in Capitals, frigs and cruisers are very important too). So, no. It is definately not too late. So, pay CCP, and get on the train. If you want, give me a hollar after about a month if you want into 0.0 :) -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
XiticiX Gallente Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:33:00 - [57] You can contribute to fleet battles no matter what you're flying. Even a frigate can contribute by warp scrambling, NOSing, or webbing. That's the great thing about eve - Even the little guy gets a part in large operations. ~~~ This is my sig. Do you like it? ~~~
Blank Protection Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:44:00 - [58] Its absolutly never to late. Last year because of a rip off from one of the Corp members i terminated all my 3 accounts. 2 month`s later i started all over again. Only this time on a whole other way. I didnt start with the learning skills this time. Started to train up for a raven from the beginning and missile skills. Runned lots of missions and refined all my stuff/loot. In 2 and a half month`s i had already 1 billion ISK and a almost full T2 fitted Raven. Remember dont let ppl fool you that you need at least 10 million SP to fly it. From that moment on, now almost 4 month`s i joined the Corp where im in now. This game is made to play in team work. Yes you can play alone but you will become a mining drone or it will be anoying very fast. Playing for 5 month`s now and i already made far over 1,5 billion ISK. So keep on training run missions join a good Corp make ISK`s. Than fun only will be the resolt of it. And all the rumors about cheating and etc etc dont take it so hard. Just some lame propaganda. Nothing to worry about. Good luck and have fun.
Fenian Caldari Aztec Industries	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:49:00 - [59] It's much like real-life, really. You're born with the same opportunities as anybody else had when they started. (OK not quite like RL, but still)
Arithon Draedus NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Verone Originally by: doseph kick arse post Every member of the Eve community starts out the same. Tossed into a crappy rookie frigate with 5,000ISK and a basic miner and civvy weapon. Some have remained small scale, others have risen from the same fundemental position in the game to command alliances of thousands of players, and corporations with Trillion ISK industrial portfolios. You're asking "Is it too late for me?" when you should be asking "How can I make my mark on New Eden, and what do I want to be here?" Remember this one thing, and ask yourself that question again. ^^ Listen to Verone! He speak the mutha-******* truth! Come join us man! In three years time you will look back at all you have done and all the people you have met......and all that is still to come. Then you will know that you made the right choice! -Arithon ps. Can I have one of your multiple babies verone?
Rangkai	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:51:00 - [61] The best thing you can do is join a nice corp that has a mix of experienced and new players who are friendly and will teach you all you need to know and provide lots of fun in whatever area the corp focuses on. You will have much more fun and get much farther in a corp than trying to go at it all solo.
Irida Tirsach	Posted - 2007.02.19 08:10:00 - [62] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is not too late to play eVe but I will not lie to you. You will never ever catch up with the older players. Prolly the post with the most truth in it. You will not win a real 1versus1 with an older player for like over a year, you won¦t be able to make as much isk as older players. But you could also carebear for half a year and buy a nice old char with isk.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:08:00 - [63] If you start playing now you'll be where the three year olds are now in around three years. Probably less actually. What more could you want? ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! No such thing as griefing in Eve
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:38:00 - [64] No it's not too late : for sure you can't fly capital's ships BUT in every big battle tacklers are a big part of the issue of the fight, you can get big fun even with a small ship.. ask to goons . Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:48:00 - [65] try get a grip of how skills and ships work... many people go for a trial for 14 days and then start a fresh character to avoid some typical errors/mistakes. Now is a good time to start a character - getting around 800k skills from start and having many choices to specialize in... Most people can easily compete pretty early when they have spend a few weeks going for assault frigates and/or interceptors. Getting into a player corp that shares some interests will be a good start as they can guide and you will hopefully have someone to fly with while learning the game. Pinky
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:22:00 - [66] EVE can seem overwhelming at the start, and other people seem so much more advanced, but it is never too late for anyone to start playing. You wont be fighting in large alliance fleet battles for a number of months, but it can happen sooner than you think. Eve is so great because as the more experienced players are flying their capital ships, you can be a tackler for instance, playing a crucial role in holding the targets in place. In a fleet battle situation like that, you may think you are just a peon, but you're not. If there was noone to stop the enemy from warping, then your team would have a hard time getting kills. You will soon be battleship capable and these are very useful and commonly used in fleet battles too. It doesnt take as long to achieve as you think. My #1 peice of advice to you would be to sit back and enjoy this period in your character's life. When you are new the vastness and complexity of the game seems overwhelming, and you are learning and discovering new things every day. That time was definately my favourite time for me playing eve. You dont have to save the world today, you can always do it tomorrow. Just take it as it comes, try out different types of professions, make new friends and enjoy all of the new knowledge youll be getting every day.
Buxaroo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:20:00 - [67] doseph, Let me make this clear: It is never to late to get in on the action. Your skillpoints will not be the limiting factor in this game. If you want to get in on the action, look at the various alliances in game and find out the corps that are looking for new members. Granted, most want someone with atleast 2 mil SP or higher, but there are always ones that take younger characters. The first thing you need to remember is this: you can always be useful for pvp/combat. The best learning experience for ANYONE for pvp is that of a tackler. All it takes is a cheap frigate and a few days worth of skills to be able to fly a tackling ship. Remember, you don't need to be the best damage dealer to make a difference. After playing this game for a week or so I was getting antsy and wanted to see 0.0 and fleet battles that I heard people mention here and there. I then found out my old Planetside gaming syndicate Sturmgrenadier had a corp in EVE. In my first week in EVE I was already in fleet battles against Band of Brothers/Xelas et al. At the time, SGHQ/VC/IMP were mortal enemies of BoB and friends. This was my first introduction to EVE politics. I remember all the stories the people told about such and such. About how this corp did this and that corp did that. And I was getting in on the action from day one. I didn't have the 30+ mil SP, didn't have the tech 2 skills needed for things. But I got in on the action from day one. Learn and learn and learn. It is never to late to see the large scale of this New Eden or to partake in it's political and historical landscape. Look at my character. Barely over a year old. I have met some of the most well known characters in New Eden politics. I have participated in some of the most historic fleet battles in EVE (9CG as part of the CODA forces led by Xirtam) and some of the new battles that you may be reading about in the COAD part of the forums. History is always in the making, and today's politics are making this one of the most historic conflicts in EVE history. For a primer on the history of EVE, read up on the forums here, especially the COAD part. Look at the various histories of the corps/alliances. See where things are at now. Eve is ever changing. Eve is not static. It's never too late to get involved. Jump in the deep end and learn how to swim :-)
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:03:00 - [68] starting now is even better than it was 3+3/4 years ago.......theres more in the game theres more people to interact with and also its a lot easier to get ships now than it was then you can be a fully combat active pilot in some of the best alliances around and the pve content is miles better these days the only thing i would say would be a pain now is the switching of 2-3 hours skills which im glad i no longer have to do

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