As a minor note on the release blog it buries something about taxes and broker fees changing with a reason........that CCP wants to see how the market will react to a "small" change. Small change, yeah right. To me it's a huge change.

I have been playing over two years as a solo trader. My goal is to amass a net worth of a trillion isk. That's fun for me. So far I'm 12% of the way there. I buy and sell. I buy and sell lots. I live and trade in High Sec.

And then today. after grinding out ten thousandths of a broker fee point (off the trillions that go thru my trading hub .......and it is trillions) I discover in the fine print that CCP has changed the broker fees by a factor of eight to ten for me "to see how the market will react" It is buried in the overwhelming coverage of new new new null sec stuff. Not much mention of why economically massive tax and fee changes were required.


To trade my way to a trillion takes a lot of building and reinvestment. A ten thousanth of a pecentage point adds up. Now it appears my low broker/tax total has gone from just over 1% to almost triple that. Now while that may sound small....I buy my ore (one station broker fee) and then sell my product (another broker fee in my production) My net profits are under ten percent...... when they sell. Ya think CCP just broke my game?

I'm frustrated....and today for the first time.....I quit early. Not sure what I'll do in the future. Don't need your sympathy nor ISK. I just want my gaming style respected and if changes must be made maybe a little more info and debate on why. Paying customers are not mere guinea pigs for testing and monitoring theories.

Rhett & company

Hell I would settle for a good explenation as to why ccp has decided against this

This is my first post ever.

I have five accounts

Citadel expansion.......yeah, right.

As a minor note on the release blog it buries something about taxes and broker fees changing with a reason........that CCP wants to see how the market will react to a "small" change. Small change, yeah right. To me it's a huge change.

I have been playing over two years as a solo trader. My goal is to amass a net worth of a trillion isk. That's fun for me. So far I'm 12% of the way there. I buy and sell. I buy and sell lots. I live and trade in High Sec.

And then today. after grinding out ten thousandths of a broker fee point (off the trillions that go thru my trading hub .......and it is trillions) I discover in the fine print that CCP has changed the broker fees by a factor of eight to ten for me "to see how the market will react" It is buried in the overwhelming coverage of new new new null sec stuff. Not much mention of why economically massive tax and fee changes were required.


To trade my way to a trillion takes a lot of building and reinvestment. A ten thousanth of a pecentage point adds up. Now it appears my low broker/tax total has gone from just over 1% to almost triple that. Now while that may sound small....I buy my ore (one station broker fee) and then sell my product (another broker fee in my production) My net profits are under ten percent...... when they sell. Ya think CCP just broke my game?

I'm frustrated....and today for the first time.....I quit early. Not sure what I'll do in the future. Don't need your sympathy nor ISK. I just want my gaming style respected and if changes must be made maybe a little more info and debate on why. Paying customers are not mere guinea pigs for testing and monitoring theories.

Rhett & company

This is also the thing that pisses me off. I learned of this on the patch day, they tried to hide it.

Now not only do you screw us around on tax and brokers, but you take isk to refine as well?.

For a player that does it all, mine,refine,manufacture you have effectively killed any chance of trading for profit with these new taxes.

I'm stunned by CCP's shortsightedness.

This is also the thing that pisses me off. I learned of this on the patch day, they tried to hide it.

They tried to hide it by doing the initial announcement about the feature changing at the beginning of march?

If I want to hide stuff, I personally don't start talking about it close to 2 month in advance...

[yeah in places that few players actually look rather than in a dev blog.

I don't get CCP compulsion to drive people out of hi sec.

I don't get CCP compulsion to drive people out of hi sec.

I don't get a lot of time to play games. I spend a significant amount of time earning isk to buy assets. I don't what to spend weeks saving for something to lose it to some player that gets joy by making others miserable. I don't want to have to keep rebuilding. I don't have the time for that.

Because the more a player is exposed to more parts of the game, the more likely they will stay subscribed. There's a lot of fun to be had in all sectors of space, and if a player is familiar enough and comfortable enough to visit all sectors of space, they are more likely to find content to entertain themselves rather than growing bored and unsubbing.

Think of it as a gentle "push" out of the nest. Not only will you learn you can fly, you'll find it quite exciting too. At least in theory.

So how is this refining tax actually implemented? I can't seem to get the formula down.

NVM the formula, I don't get how this is working at all right now...

Yesterday I spent a few hours mining ore with 3 accounts, I took it all to the pos and refined/compressed it all.

Then last night I took 2 accounts to grab some Ice for pos fuel, this all got dumped in the corp ore hangar in our home station. But.

When I went to refine it, it was odd. On one account there was no isk charge, but on the other there was an isk charge, but the Ice was mined by both accounts, so the ownership of it is shared.

How come one owner of the Ice has to pay an isk charge in a NPC station but the other doesn't?

I can't get my head around it, it's just weird.

edit..It's the same in a station for ore which was mined on both accounts.

Faction standings.
It's an identical tax on refining to the old refining tax, just instead of losing a percent of materials, you are charged the identical percent of isk on it's estimated market value.
The Citadels are meant to skim their tax from the increased refining that they offer, so NPC stations can still be 0 tax if you have the standings without making citadels worthless on that front.

In theory yes in practice no. Please provide the exact % tax from estimated value. I have done multiple tests with various ore types and couldn't figure it out.

Get standing greater than 6.7 with the corp that owns the station, pay 0 tax.
Not sure anyone ever bothered actually establishing the exact formula for calculating the tax when what really mattered was the point it reached zero. If it was listed it was probably of evelopedia and now gone. It started at 5% with 0 standings though.

The old formula for reprocessing: http://eve-industry.org/export/IndustryFormulas.pdf

Example of the current reprocessing: http://postimg.org/image/k51opu029/

The old 5% tax applied as ISK tax with comparison to the real cost: http://postimg.org/image/4klkr6s41/