Access lists!!! <3<3<3I've heard rumors that you might end up using access lists with other things besides just structures, and after playing around with the lists, I fell in love! I tried finding a dedicated thread about them to dump all this in, guess this place will have to do.
I'm the creator of public channels Anti-ganking and Gank-Intel, which both tend to peek around 400 these days. There are other public channels with more people, but I think no other public channel has a blocklist as big as ours - 1974 entities currently, mirrored between both channels. Due to the nature of the channels, we get a lot of disruption attempts from gankers. And as you can imagine, the sheer size of the blocklist gives us headaches in many different ways, most notably when one of our moderators spent 3 hours clicking to restore it when another moderator turned rogue and let the blocklist be wiped back in december 2014 (it only had about 1000 entities back then). Since then, we have been way too weary adding new moderators, just because of the damage they can do in a few clicks, requiring thousands of clicks to fix.
If access lists could somehow take over for our blocklist, that would make our life soooo much easier! I even found ways to take personal backup of the whole list in seconds. Even in this very early iteration, the only drawback I can think of right now, is no way to add a reason for someone being blocked, which might even be useful relating to structures.
I would love to be able to use these access lists with mailing lists as well, and with fleet adverts!
Back in 2013-2014 I ran a 'public' mining fleet in The Forge for about a year, and it might have been one of the biggest in the game, peeking at 139 right before I burned out. A big pain point for me back then, was struggling with a full contact list constantly bumping up against the limit of 1024. I ended up giving all NPC corps access, which led to a nice steady stream of new players showing up in fleet chat and loving what they stumbled over in their fleet finder. However, this also led to it becoming hard to remove thieves, as it wasn't possible to block a single char as long as their NPC corp had access.
After I burned out, many others have been stepping up to keep a similar fleet going in Otela. And they all must deal with the same big contact list, mostly containing the same entities. If access lists could be used instead, I can imagine us having sort of an official list that would be very easy to share with new upcoming fleet bosses. And maybe I'll even start boosting again, as I tend to freak out whenever I think about managing contacts the same way again.
Interestingly, I actually think the very same blocklist we use in the AG channels would work quite well for these fleets also. Although, you might have to add a way to filter out truly public fleets in the fleet finder, as there could become many of them, and I have had people contact me asking to be unblued just so they wouldn't see my fleet.
Some thoughts:
- How are conflicts resolved when you add two lists to the same profile? I see no way to prioritize one list over the other.
- Make doubleclicking an entity show info? Makes it easier to go through and remove biomassed chars/closed corps.
- Maybe even some automated way or button to remove these things?
- Some simple numbers showing how many chars/corps/alliances in the list would be nice, maybe also visible in the public info when clicking the link.
- Add filtering options to the search box, to only show corps for instance? Or hide admins/managers.
- Any reason why ctrl+a and ctrl+c works in the logs tab but not in members tab? Pasting stuff in a text file can often be practical.
- Rightclick option to add/edit reason? Would probably add database stress, but would be quite useful so new moderators have a clue why someone got blocked 2 years ago.
Heh, with all the possibilities I see with these access lists, I even started to wonder if I could use them with my corp as well, but nothing has jumped out yet :P