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Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:48:00 - [1] I know that scamming is a legitimate occupation in eve, this thread isnt about that. This is about the trade channels. All day long we have scammers (numbers growing by the day) spamming the hell out of all the trade channels, this is turn sets of a bunch of people who start feeding the trolls and the entire thing turns into a scamming argument rather than getting any business done. Posting these rediculous scams in trade channels shouldnt be allowed, they dont even have anything to do with what the scam is about. They are stopping real players from doing business and are just creating a real problem. I think we need to have ISD keeping an eye on these channels, they wouldnt have to be very active, just take a look now and again, and kick out these time wasters so the trade channels can be used for trade again. Before you say "petition them", I have. I get 'thanks for reporting this, we will monitor the situation...' but so far I havent seen a single bit of action. Before you say "block them", I do, it doesnt stop half of the rest of the channel from getting into arguments etc, and theres no logic on banning 10 legit players along with every scammer just because they are feeding the troll. Scamming with these stupid stupid schemes is catching on, every day we have new idiots trying it, the problem is getting out of control. ISD please help.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:52:00 - [2] You could have an ebay style feedback system Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:54:00 - [3] mmmm create youre own unoffical trade channels and invite peeps into there who are legit traders barring that use the eve forums
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:55:00 - [4] It's worse than just the trade channels. If you sell something that is popular you will get constant conversations attempting to scam you out of it. Also the contracts are clogged to hell and back with obvious scams. At least for the contract part, I'd like added functionality to the "Not Issued By" to be a list that you can just plug all scammers into so that you never have to sift through their bullcrap to get to the real offers.
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.02.20 04:25:00 - [5] Originally by: hotgirl933 mmmm create youre own unoffical trade channels and invite peeps into there who are legit traders barring that use the eve forums Is there any chance that you have some family ties with Miss Overlord?
Vizranuh	Posted - 2007.02.20 04:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Vizranuh on 20/02/2007 04:24:10 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin You could have an ebay style feedback system Yeah, I wish there was a way; maybe a 'star' type system that people could use to rate their experience, however leaving feedback opens the option for people to purposely leave negative feedback to ruin other's reputations. Originally by: hotgirl933 mmmm create youre own unoffical trade channels and invite peeps into there who are legit traders barring that use the eve forums I agree. Create your own channel, start inviting people and as word spreads you'll have a decent sized private channel and you'll have the ability to enforce it how you see fit. Cheers --
Arithon Draedus NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.20 04:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin You could have an ebay style feedback system That is the best idea i have ever heard! Give that man a crown!......oh.......A medal then!
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.20 05:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Trotski II Originally by: hotgirl933 mmmm create youre own unoffical trade channels and invite peeps into there who are legit traders barring that use the eve forums Is there any chance that you have some family ties with Miss Overlord? and ollobrains, its all the same person. Rubbish english, no punctuation and usually not on topic (this reply being a rare exception)
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2007.02.20 07:56:00 - [9] Yeah , scamming is just 2 easy. Very anoying in Trade channels. CCp should give the new contract system a new overhaul. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.20 08:00:00 - [10] Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender Got Corp?
Byron Wayne Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Thor Xian Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. Youd end up with a channel of nothing but canned spam
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Byron Wayne Originally by: Thor Xian Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. Youd end up with a channel of nothing but canned spam Call it Aisle 6.. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender Got Corp?
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:46:00 - [13] Block the offenders ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:46:00 - [14] Block the offenders ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Alha Qmar Caldari Xenon Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.20 11:50:00 - [15] Lets us go back to the old system where you could escrow a piece of tritanium and make it seem like a caldary navy raven.
Lucius Amarriantis Amarr Ordo Occultus Deus	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin You could have an ebay style feedback system Ive wondered that myself sometimes, but I fear it wouild be too easily exploited. All it woiuld take is for a competitor to bump up some alts and buy withthe intention of leaving negative feedback and someones trading career is all but over before it even gets started.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:12:00 - [17] Although such a system could never be completely foolproof, it could easily be designed so that it would take a very long time to significantly abuse it. Three simple ideas spring to mind: Do not allow inter-alt feedback Reduce or remove the ability of people with low feedback scores to give feedback For any two characters A and B, allow A to give B feedback at most once per 24 hours. Granted, the last one might not be popular with some of my couriers, but I'd catch up eventually ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Byron Wayne Originally by: Thor Xian Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. Youd end up with a channel of nothing but canned spam Man: Well, what've you got? Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam... EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Strangely Brown Cult of the Purple Wolf	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Byron Wayne Originally by: Thor Xian Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. Youd end up with a channel of nothing but canned spam Man: Well, what've you got? Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam... Can I have egg bacon and spam without the spam?
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:07:00 - [20] CCP will not help with this problem. Best way to proceed is to create player owned trade channels, where we can police it ourselves. Make the more respected/trusted people channel mods and then mute/ban all the spammers. TCSyn is recruiting
BLAIYNE Indigo Rising	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Byron Wayne Originally by: Thor Xian Scam Spam is a bit silly. Being able to vote ban people out of a public channel would be nice. Youd end up with a channel of nothing but canned spam Man: Well, what've you got? Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam... QFT
Shinris	Posted - 2007.02.20 19:42:00 - [22] why at al allow people to scam?! i seriusly don't get why ccp is allowing this?! what greater good does it tribute to the game?... it only destroye's the fun of alot of people that bite on it and annoy the rest of us...
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Shinris why at al allow people to scam?! i seriusly don't get why ccp is allowing this?! what greater good does it tribute to the game?... it only destroye's the fun of alot of people that bite on it and annoy the rest of us... It forces people to think for themselves and educate themselves in order to play and enjoy the game. You can't simply blindly grind and buy your way through EVE, you need to be aware of things around you and what you're doing. Personal responsibility is important in EVE, even if many people don't want to admit that. It also goes along with CCP's vision for EVE, that Evil should have a place in a universe. EVE is a very harsh place and it's because of that that it's so engaging and exciting and dangerous and rewarding. If you know what you're doing. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Fswd	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Shinris why at al allow people to scam?! i seriusly don't get why ccp is allowing this?! what greater good does it tribute to the game?... it only destroye's the fun of alot of people that bite on it and annoy the rest of us... Still having your mom to hold your hand while playing eve?
Kadei	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Shinris why at al allow people to scam?! i seriusly don't get why ccp is allowing this?! what greater good does it tribute to the game?... it only destroye's the fun of alot of people that bite on it and annoy the rest of us... The answer is simple and surprisingly never mentioned in all the posts I have read... MONEY.. REAL MONEY. CCP has decided to NOT enforce or investigate all these anti-social behaviors that all other game developers (that I have ever seen.. and that is very very many) enforce and protect against. To do so, would require man hours committed by online investigators to research a claim of wrong doing, cross all the T's to make sure the claim of wrong doing is legitimate and to ENFORCE a sanction against the offending party. CCP has decided to make corporate theft, scamming, etc. legal by their definition so that they do not have to deal with the problems.. and as a result, PAY real people real money to police the game. Of course, as many of the anti-social offenders will say... deal with it, it's just a game, don't like it go play another game, blah blah blah. EVE attracts many of these kinds of people because there are repercussions in most other games. Hence, EVE is a niche market that seems to be unknown to most folks I know in real life. Nor do I believe those people would want to pay for such a game. I am a fighter, and refuse to let some anti-social jerks chase me away from EVE. As Tom Petty once said.. "I Won't Back Down". The very nice "FREE" upgrades offered by CCP are not really "FREE". The money they save by not spending limited resources on policing activities can be subverted to game coding and development. As they say, "Nothing in life is free". I have both a love/hate relationship with this practice. I think I have worn the enamel off my teeth after having seen so many jerks try to sell one Tritanium for 1.2 billion, listing it as a freighter. I have never fallen for this dirty trick, but that sure as heck doesn't mean I think they should get away with it. I think their account should be suspended for one month without reimbursement. The crime, as I see it, is easy to verify and requires little time to enforce. Of course, now these kinds of individuals have found new ways to subvert a changed system. The biggest question in regard to EVE? Am I getting what I pay for?
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Kadei I think their account should be suspended for one month without reimbursement. The crime, as I see it, is easy to verify and requires little time to enforce. The act of looking at an escrow or Contract and checking if it's a scam is easy to verify and requires absolutely no measurable amount of time to enforce on the part of a responsible player. There's no need to get CCP to punish people when the "victims" were too lazy, greedy, ignorant, naive or whatever in the first place and fell for the scam which was painfully easy to avoid. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:42:00 - [27] Edited by: Montague Zooma on 20/02/2007 21:39:32 Originally by: Kylania The act of looking at an escrow or Contract and checking if it's a scam is easy to verify and requires absolutely no measurable amount of time to enforce on the part of a responsible player. I'd feel more comfortable with that if the features of this game were better documented. The UI is inconsistent. One might expect the contract system to work the same as the market system, but it doesn't. Maybe they should relabel contracts as scams, as that seems to be a defining difference between the two systems. More players might exercise the required caution then. And no, I've never been scammed. I just find the whole thing annoying.
Alty MacAlterson Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Kadei hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Originally by: Kadei hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Id agree with you but your a filthy alt Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
Kadei	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Kylania Originally by: Kadei I think their account should be suspended for one month without reimbursement. The crime, as I see it, is easy to verify and requires little time to enforce. The act of looking at an escrow or Contract and checking if it's a scam is easy to verify and requires absolutely no measurable amount of time to enforce on the part of a responsible player. There's no need to get CCP to punish people when the "victims" were too lazy, greedy, ignorant, naive or whatever in the first place and fell for the scam which was painfully easy to avoid. You plainly fit in the category: Don't like it? Play another game, it's just a game, it only happened because you are lazy, greedy, ignorant, naive.. blah blah, insult, insult. You represent the folks defense lawyers target for jury seats. She shouldn't have worn that skirt if she didn't want those five guys on her. He should have bolt locked his door if he didn't want to get robbed. Anti-social is anti-social. Glad to see you come out of the closet with your advocation of anti-social behavior. Hope you die by the sword as you live by it.
Badhands	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Trotski II Originally by: hotgirl933 mmmm create youre own unoffical trade channels and invite peeps into there who are legit traders barring that use the eve forums Is there any chance that you have some family ties with Miss Overlord? Miss Overlord is an alt of Ollobrains, who happened to corp thieve me of 3.5 billion worth of assets (the entire alliance he used to lead can confirm this). Do you have some other incident of Miss Overlord scamming? Feel free to contact me in game.
Arialla Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.20 23:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Kylania The act of looking at an escrow or Contract and checking if it's a scam is easy to verify and requires absolutely no measurable amount of time to enforce on the part of a responsible player. There's no need to get CCP to punish people when the "victims" were too lazy, greedy, ignorant, naive or whatever in the first place and fell for the scam which was painfully easy to avoid. As someone else already mentioned, the UI is not very friendly. I have never used contracts and I was thinking of buying items through contracts. One specific contract I looked at had "<Item> x2" in the title but in the contract details it had "<Item> x4". So which was the correct one? Which one did the player enter and which one is the actual items? I would assume the title is the player one but it doesn't make sense. Why would you enter x2 in the title when you are selling x4? There should be a CLEAR INDICATION WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. The current UI is confusing and unclear for someone new to contracts. It should clearly state what information was entered by the seller and what information is generated by the system, ie information you can trust. It just seems like the UI favors the scammer by confusing things. The responsibility is not all with the victim. Your favorite ARE* and BI&, Arialla * Agent Runner Extraordinaire & Budding Industrialist
Arushia Nova Labs	Posted - 2007.02.21 06:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Kadei CCP has decided to make corporate theft, scamming, etc. legal by their definition so that they do not have to deal with the problems.. No, they make them legal because EVE is meant to be a dystopian universe full of crime and betrayal, scams are part of that. Still, wish they'd take out private auctions, see those spammed about too often in the trade channels.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.21 06:46:00 - [34] block block block block them all snip please do not discuss moderation in your signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) yeah i'm sure your intentions are pretty kruel... 4 sigs in 3 days ffs
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.02.21 07:12:00 - [35] I got serveral scam s to. It nerfs pretty much, at least it is not possible to make real buisness, when every second Trade is a scam. I think the most known mails like this: 'll tell you about a trick to avoid any kind of tax sales on contracts and just pay the flat 10k isks broker fee. You just have to make the contract a private auction contract to my corp, The Perfect Business Plan. , put your 3.2bn as buyout and make sure to put the starting bid at 0, since this is where the .5% tax is calculated, Heck, put 3.3bn buyout, i really feel sorry for yesterday and will claim it as soon as you mail me the link to that contract back. This is a fact and real getting Mail isd .so no harrasment or whateever to snip or delete... this is the position of this ... Mails like this i get often now in serveral variants. When i set back the Item s i had offered before... u get titled as a scammer or not seroius cos u "trying" to set overpriced items and fake offers to push up the prices... (greetings to hellwarrior and his army of kidding alts ) well i think there is not realy much u can do right now before CCP will not do something against it. Delete this mails.... ( i love dots ) Try trading again or save your items. Start auctions.... If ppls try scamming ppls with lying about game mechanics and possible bugs on them saving isks , they had to set something against it. Cos it can kick his market strucure at least the game fun. Scammers are allways in every game.. at least the numbers of them and the numbers of the nerfed and scammed community will show if this ???? has future. my personal minds. Whats a human without dreams?..... DEATH "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
Byron Wayne Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.21 08:50:00 - [36] Edited by: Byron Wayne on 21/02/2007 08:47:06 Originally by: Arushia Originally by: Kadei CCP has decided to make corporate theft, scamming, etc. legal by their definition so that they do not have to deal with the problems.. No, they make them legal because EVE is meant to be a dystopian universe full of crime and betrayal, scams are part of that. Still, wish they'd take out private auctions, see those spammed about too often in the trade channels. youd think Concord would Krack(hmm guess it dont like the c word) down but nooo they are too busy taking bribes

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