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Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 10:02:00 - [1] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Jags What is forgotten about is the admitted (in another thread) 300+ logged off by the attackers already IN SYSTEM. Hence why LV had to have the numbers there to defend. If we defended one jump out they wouldve had free reign over attacking the POS just by logging on those already there. TBH I think we did all we could do , camp the entry gate massively , pray the node holds and we get to kill them as they try to jump in. Jump queues would IMO have stopped the node crashing and give us a chance to see if our defence wouldve worked. Is a difficult call to make whether it wouldve given the numbers against us , IMO it wouldve had a 75%+ chance of success. As I said when talking to KIATolon and Hippoking in JV local last night , it was a chance for EVE to have a truly legendary battle which was pulled from under our feet by CCPs woefully inadequate node handling ability. The fact that CCP have now officially sanctioned node crashing as a way of winning a battle will be the end of EVE as we know it. A 500 alt fleet flying ibis could crash a node allowing the true attackers to cyno/jump in to the target system as it comes back up from its crash. Disappointing response from the GMs tbh , makes me think they truly dont understand the game and how its mechanics work. Question is, what would you have them do? CCP have pretty much painted themselves in a corner with the whole cheating fiasco. They cannot take the risk of appearing biased towards any side. Also to be considered is that if the reimbursed LV for this particular case of server instability, it opens up a whole can of worms with regard to past incidents where people were not reimbursed. And tbh you can't blame LV for the measures they took to protect the system and neither can you blame the GOONS for the measures they took to counter the defense fleet. Any talk of either side exploiting in this particular instance is pure unadulterated bullcrap. CCP should have end hostilities on the node till it gets reinforced, then allow an epic fleetbattle occur. They didnt do that, and now we have this: 1. LV is f..ed up. 2. Ragoons cannot enjoy their victory I dont know what they can do now, but claiming that crashing the node is a valid tactc and giving the attacker the priority advantage is nonsense, insane as a matter of act. At least admit it CCP, you done wrong on that case, and some of the players may forgive you ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 11:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Lubaduba Complete BS. After the node crashed - the only ones jumping from m-r was the RA fleet. Well there were about 5-6 goonies with us too. All other goons LOGGED IN after the crash INSIDE jv1v. And they had the same chance as u. Like i said before from the whole RA fleet - only about 20 people were able to jump finally in. Local was 480 with 80 LV's. And thats LVs point. You gained advantage of the situation. They had 400 b4 the crash and 80 after the crash. You had 50% of your forces and they 20%, if the numbers tou say here are correct. ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 11:38:00 - [3] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Lubaduba Complete BS. After the node crashed - the only ones jumping from m-r was the RA fleet. Well there were about 5-6 goonies with us too. All other goons LOGGED IN after the crash INSIDE jv1v. And they had the same chance as u. Like i said before from the whole RA fleet - only about 20 people were able to jump finally in. Local was 480 with 80 LV's. And thats LVs point. You gained advantage of the situation. They had 400 b4 the crash and 80 after the crash. You had 50% of your forces and they 20%, if the numbers tou say here are correct. And as has been repeatedly stated, lots of people were logged in unable to move, control their ship or load whatever grid they were on before the node crashed again, yet the LV posting here act like somehow this was only affecting them when they got into the game. Hmmmm ok lets take a look on the things. You have a fortified position to hold a system. You can defend it with 2 vs 1 odds in favor of your enemies, no doubt about that. LV could also recharge the shields while the rest were fighting at the gate. In my knowlage when the dreads arrived at the pos, shields were at 45%, 5% more and the pos were safe again. Now what happened? Node crashed. They loose the advantage of the fortified position. They loose their numbers. They loose the ability to recharge the pos shields. You loose numbers too, but u have enough to win this. RaGoons, just gained from CCPs incompetence on that case and LV has the right to feal f...ed up. ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 11:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Lubaduba Originally by: Zeveron And thats LVs point. You gained advantage of the situation. They had 400 b4 the crash and 80 after the crash. You had 50% of your forces and they 20%, if the numbers tou say here are correct. We gained that advantage cuz they gave up. they tried to login for 1.5 hours as they have stated themselves and then an order was given not to try to login anymore but to rely on petitions and GM's and go sleeping. We didnt rely on anyone but ourselves and as i described on the first page - i personally spent far over 3 hours trying to login. And i was among the first ones to do so. Dedication guys. Thats what decided the fight in the end. Dedication and crap. I fought a war like this vs -A- at impass. You know ppl have real lifes? Work? Wifes? Children? You know that ppl need sleep? Need to talk to their wifes and children? Need to go to work to earn money? It seems to be a TZ win and not dedication win. ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Lubaduba Edited by: Lubaduba on 21/02/2007 11:47:13 Originally by: Zeveron Dedication and crap. I fought a war like this vs -A- at impass. You know ppl have real lifes? Work? Wifes? Children? You know that ppl need sleep? Need to talk to their wifes and children? Need to go to work to earn money? It seems to be a TZ win and not dedication win. Yeah ^) TZ ^). For 99% of RA it was 6am and most had to go to work. Stood up with the alarm clock at 5.30. And when the fight took longer than expected - well, called at work and claimed to be ill. And my wife is still upset cuz that alarm clock woke ger up too. And like i said - 3 hours sleep that day and the day before when we took gb-. But yes - it must be the timezone that decided. RA, -A-, hmmm sounds familiar. Well again some ppl can do it, other ppl cannot. Again that has nothing to do with this conflict. CCP needs to find a solution about this, and calling crashing nodes a tactic is not a solution. Again as I posted some posts above, do to CCPs incompetence: 1. LV is f...ed up 2. Ragoons cannot enjoy their victory. None of the alliances is to blame about the incident, only CCP. ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Otellus Best solution of course is if CCP can fix the nodes so these kinds of fights can take place without nodecrashes. But I don't see how the tactic used by RAGOON can be classed an exploit. They had 2 choices, either give up or jump in and risk the effects of a nodecrash. You can't blame them for not giving up, can you? Both parts were in a loose/loose situation. Neither you can blame LV bcs they tried to defend their system. Its CCPs fault, that the one lost the fight is ***ing arround and the other cannot enjoy what he acomplished. And it dont matters which alliance is doing what, could be the other way arround, if ie LV had the time to recharge the shields and got some more 100-200 kills, then we would have the RaGoons here ***ing and LV claiming their victory. The only 1 to blame here is CCP. End of story. ----------------------------------
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:27:00 - [7] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Lubaduba Edited by: Lubaduba on 21/02/2007 11:47:13 Originally by: Zeveron Dedication and crap. I fought a war like this vs -A- at impass. You know ppl have real lifes? Work? Wifes? Children? You know that ppl need sleep? Need to talk to their wifes and children? Need to go to work to earn money? It seems to be a TZ win and not dedication win. Yeah ^) TZ ^). For 99% of RA it was 6am and most had to go to work. Stood up with the alarm clock at 5.30. And when the fight took longer than expected - well, called at work and claimed to be ill. And my wife is still upset cuz that alarm clock woke ger up too. And like i said - 3 hours sleep that day and the day before when we took gb-. But yes - it must be the timezone that decided. Ok you guys really don't get it. Why were you up at 4am? Because you stuffed up your stront timing. That was the reason the attack even happened. Because you stuffed up your stront timing on the tower, and it came out of reinforced in the primetime of one alliance, when they knew the other would be caught at a terrible time to be online. This very fact is why strontium clathrate timers exist in EVE at all - it's no one's fault but your own that you were caught unable to really defend yourselves, that was kind of the whole point I dont know you say we made a mistake. I am not LV, I got actualy got killed by LV Titan some weeks ago. But either way u missing the point here, which btw is: Calling crashing nodes a tactic is gona ruin the game, not for LV not for RaGoons or BoB but for every1 ----------------------------------

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