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Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:54:00 - [91] You can't escape PvP just by staying docked in high sec you my friend have been market pirated Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
Andrea Tesla Caldari Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:02:00 - [92] Edited by: Andrea Tesla on 22/02/2007 13:04:09 Originally by: Bazuka Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ? Nope, not a single bit. In fact I feel a bit smarter now, as english is not my first language, yet I was not foolish enough to spend money on something, that I do not understand. I wonder, what people do, if their firewall pops up with "File deleteUrHdnow.exe is asking for server rights. Do you want to confirm ?" There is a wonderful ad-clip in german television these days. Case 1: A office guy is interviewing a wannabe and asks them, if they can speak english.. He answers.."Yes of course (in german)".. next question is "would you sell business secrets ? (in english)".. answer.. "err... uhm.. Yes.. Yes !" Case 2: A family from germany is traveling to the US and is asked by a customs commisioner: "Do you have any prohibited goods with you ?".. The man answers after looking dumb for a few seconds.. "... Yes.. Yes !" (while pointing to the whole baggage. If you do not understand, what you are clicking OK for, do NOT CLICK OK. AT
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:10:00 - [93] why is kieron's name in the title? he's the community manager? he can't make changes to the game...he may have a voice I KNOW!! why not preach to Hellmar!!
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:56:00 - [94] Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with. One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:06:00 - [95] Originally by: Lord Frost Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with. One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse. Hush, FFS -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:07:00 - [96] Originally by: LordKain As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what???? Yes this is not a Blizzard mmo, this is not a fantasy mmo with magical elves and **. Quote:** crazy, plz help me Nope.
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Lord Frost Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with. One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse. check out the background of the people that invented the game. especially in ultima online. then u will understand that this is all intended. i love this game especially because things like this are possible. there are warnings for the beginners but everybody seems to enjoy ignoring them.
Andrea Tesla Caldari Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:17:00 - [98] Originally by: Lord Frost Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with. I disagree. Trust is indeed one of the most valuable things ever to be built in any MMOG. If the game mechanics are babysitting us all to a point, where trust is not an issue at all anymore, than why play with other human beings at all ? Originally by: Lord Frost One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse. There is a warning, when you enter low sec. There is a warning, when accepting a freeform contract. If you ignore the warning for low sec, and you get shot, you will not get any compensation. If you ignore the warning for freeforms, and you get scammed, you will not get any compensation. See any parallel ? AT
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Lord Frost Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with. One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse. There's simply no way a new player will fall for one of these scams. You know why? New players don't have that much cash to loose. The scammers don't scam for petty cash, but for millions and millions. If a player falls for that it can mean one of two things: 1. He's too stupid to read all the warnings already in the game and thus does not deserve his wealth. 2. He bought his character on eBay and should thus be griefed to hell and back. Pick one, because there are no other alternatives. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:58:00 - [100] There is nothing you can do to stop scamming. It will happen. Just learn and move on. The worst that you can do is expose their mains, and they usually dont care anyway. Exposing their mains wont do anything, I remember the old quote about Having no alts, but 3 accounts full of mains so there is no winning solution. But alas, forum power > brain power.... --
LordKain The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:24:00 - [101] enough , as I mention CCP is not interested in any dialogue. No comments... plz stop it It doesnt make sense talking about scammers without any CCP representatives
The Fates Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:29:00 - [102] Like omg I cannot be expected to read anything or think for myself CCP protect me reimburse me and stop the madness of ebil scamming people while i blame ccp cos it is ofc all their fault omg i can't believe that it happened to me BLAH BLAH BLAH LOL Originally by: Sun Tzu In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
Bruce Newman Caldari NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: LordKain As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what???? Yes this is not a Blizzard mmo, this is not a fantasy mmo with magical elves and **. Quote: crazy, plz help me Nope. Hm, seems to me like wrapping paper in WoW (wrap up a cheap item and claim it's an expensive one). No refund afaik - even if I personally think MMORPG devs should ban people using that stuff, because they usually catch the inexperienced, new players. EVE is more complex as WoW and those contracts might be difficult to read for a new player (rather always ask for item exchange contracts)and I am sure quite a bunch might consider leaving after loosing most of their stuff that way. CCP therefore - by not intervening - looses new players and keeps the asshats. IMHO the opposite would be more healthy for a MMOG. Yes, people are careless like the "Terrorist in Jita" thread shows. U N B E L I E V E A B L E (ok, not if you do it for fun and expect to loose your money anyways). And that's why I understand CCP's position - despite the needed additional manpower needed. But I still think it would simply be healthier for the game and less annoying for all of us to see all that scam-spamming. There was that job offer - didn't knew it would turn out as a suicide mission - duh!**
Sgt Blade Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:25:00 - [104] lol any type of scam within the game mechaanics is 100% fine so stop complaining... you should be more carefull with large amounts of isk and to always double cheak... like you would do in RL. well mabey RL has police and laws so the only retribution you can have is podding the guy but still Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Arix Oeone	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:33:00 - [105] Originally by: LordKain enough , as I mention CCP is not interested in any dialogue. No comments... plz stop it It doesnt make sense talking about scammers without any CCP representatives They're not interested in discussion because there is nothing to discuss. It's all working as intended. Scamming is a perfectly valid, if not respected, gameplay style. It adds a touch of realism, and is one of the things that drew me to the game. I find it compelling that I have to watch out for scams myself, and that the game isn't holding my hand and babysitting me the whole time. I haven't been scammed yet, but I'm sure it'll happen in some way or other eventually. When it does, I will learn from the experience, and continue on a little wiser. What I won't do is come on the forums and cry to mommy CCP to make the bad man stop.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Bruce Newman I personally think MMORPG devs should ban people using that stuff, because they usually catch the inexperienced, new players. EVE is more complex as WoW and those contracts might be difficult to read for a new player Difficult to read eh? I say devs should ban players who CANT FRIGGN READ. (get the hell of my internet n00b)
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:18:00 - [107] Originally by: Lance Hawke I'm laughing. It's your own fault, not CCP's, if you're stupid enough to fall for a scam. That's a very crap attitude you have there. I take it you pirate, too? EVE isn't real life, it's a game. If people are informed about the risks and are willing to take the chance, more power to them. But I really don't like it how someone can stumble into a bear trap when they had no intention of doing anything dangerous. The roleplaying thefts and betrayals involving characters infiltrating organizations, that's fair. But contract scamming? That's just cheap. Do you guys want to keep people in the game or do you want to drive away all casual players? Then you'll be complaining that you have no one to pew-pew at.
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.22 17:36:00 - [108] Why in the hell would you accept a freeform contract? Are you people retarded? I don't like scamming, but it's a part of the game to weed out the week and stupid. If you don't learn from this or others mistakes then you deserve to be scammed
LordKain The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:24:00 - [109] The guy, who stole my ISK sent me mail, he confirmed CCP did nothing and he could be scammer every time, because he would be unpunished by nobody... tell me, Is it enough argument for CCP?
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:25:00 - [110] Originally by: LordKain Moved from sell orders section - hutch a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed. I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what???? Totaly Shock , is it true???? crazy, plz help me HAHA
LordKain The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:41:00 - [111] Edited by: LordKain on 23/02/2007 12:38:54 yea, It 's funny... I read some posts and I dont understand people who accepted it maybe I m too honest and I should play unfair, because of EvE's game folklore. Probably I will change game firstly
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:44:00 - [112] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/02/2007 12:40:54 Originally by: LordKain Edited by: LordKain on 23/02/2007 12:38:54 yea, It 's funny... I read some posts and I dont understand people who accepted it maybe I m too honest and I should play unfair, because of EvE's game folklore. Probably I will change game firstly Eve is like RL, there's some not-nice people in it. Avoid them, join them or be victimised by them, the choice is yours. Or quit. And, tbh, seeing Darwin in action keeps the mob happy. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Kaalen Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:45:00 - [113] CCP have always maintained that as long as things like this take place within the game (i.e. not via cheating or exploits) then it is completely allowed. This is to maintain realism and freedom within the game, I believe. The intention has always been to allow players to be whatever they want to be, if I want to be a pirate and ransom peoples ships, then I can. I want to join a big corp, work my way through the ranks and then make off with all of their BPO's, CCP wouldn't stop me (I might even make the news!). If I want to scam you out of your isk this way, then that's perfectly acceptable. The trick is that none of these things are impossible for you to avoid, be wary of contracts and be on your toes about scams. Just like you would be in real life. If it's too good to be true then it probably isn't. Learn from this experience and you can avoid it next time. EVE is different to any other MMO in that CCP are not there to hold your hand, you have to fend for yourself.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:49:00 - [114] Originally by: ragewind wow a game that lets tiy do anything spying, shooting, scaming ect wow its so like real life its shocking! not like a game played against other really humans might do something in a game they can do in life how shocking Maybe I am blind but i dont see any Police (Concord) making friendly vosit to those scamers like it is in reallife. Sume busted stuff, suspended account like prison in real life and it will be more like real life. So far its only danger free zone for all scamers.
Kalchak	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:53:00 - [115] I'm new, and have yet to use contracts at all, what exactly is the fiddle with free form contracts?
Sakura Ford	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:00:00 - [116] Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal. CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Kaalen CCP have always maintained that as long as things like this take place within the game (i.e. not via cheating or exploits) then it is completely allowed. This is to maintain realism and freedom within the game, I believe. The intention has always been to allow players to be whatever they want to be, if I want to be a pirate and ransom peoples ships, then I can. I want to join a big corp, work my way through the ranks and then make off with all of their BPO's, CCP wouldn't stop me (I might even make the news!). If I want to scam you out of your isk this way, then that's perfectly acceptable. The trick is that none of these things are impossible for you to avoid, be wary of contracts and be on your toes about scams. Just like you would be in real life. If it's too good to be true then it probably isn't. Learn from this experience and you can avoid it next time. EVE is different to any other MMO in that CCP are not there to hold your hand, you have to fend for yourself. I relay like when ppl comparing things to real life and forgeting there is no oposite side to it in eve. Pirates: in higsec Concord and players can dust them, in lowsec so far they have easy life (except when they realy make angry someons corp to war them, but then pirates just disaper for while.), but i think thats gonna change with Relevations 2. Scamers: What you can do with it ? Simple nothing, they dont even leave station for you to war them. As for just be carrefull, basicaly yes, but... you cant be so carrefull 24/7 - 365 days a year. With raising numbers of contracts you have prety good chance to fall to one too and i dont want to belive CCP design contracts for this purpose.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:02:00 - [118] Originally by: Sakura Ford Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal. CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this They don't bother will small-time stuff, and by your logic Eve should be WoW in space because they'd get more subscribers that way. Fail. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Sakura Ford Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal. I do not wish to flame you, but please read all the responses, and you won't come off as stupid. Scammers don't target new players with 500k isk. They target stupid players with 500 million isk. That's what makes scamming worth wile, and totally ok in my eyes. If you're stupid enough to loose 900 million isk to a scam, you're not gonna get much sympathy. Find me a scammer that scams newbies out of 500k isk, and I'll admit I'm wrong. Originally by: Sakura Ford CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this CCP is aware, and they won't do anything because this is intended to be a part of the game. It has nothing to do with them being powerless, as they clearly are not. They can change the contract system at any time, and have done so to make scamming harder, but not impossible. Please buy a clue. I've got one. It's yours for 100 million. I'll set up a freeform contract for ya. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Maximus Epeenus Caldari Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:08:00 - [120] Originally by: LordKain Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17 i lost 900m dont tell me this is legit It's legit, I have to wonder how you made 900m in the first place. Scamming is legit and long should it be. I am not a scammer and yes, I have been scammed, but scamming can only happen in two ways. If you are ignorant of game mechanics or you are just stupid. That said these days you have to be pretty stupid to be ignorant of such mechanics, especially if you have 900m + in your wallet. Just suck it up, spend less time whining on EvE-O forums and more time making ISKies in game. QQ Max

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