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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:55:00 -
[1]
Moved from sell orders section - hutch
a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Totaly Shock , is it true????
crazy, plz help me
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Xawras Wyzryn
HUSARIA
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:06:00 -
[2]
Signed!
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Empress Aphrodite
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:11:00 -
[3]
Yes, it's true. Unfortunately, nothing can will be done to refund your loss. The only thing you can do is learn from it.
Never accept freeform trades.
[WTS] Faction |
Annuke
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:14:00 -
[4]
Can someone fill us in on freeform contracting so we know what to look for?
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:15:00 -
[5]
what?
there is up side down situation how CCP could agree this acts?
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magmorel
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:15:00 -
[6]
any type of freeform or private contract never do. Only do public contracts or trades. Another thing to do is when you are doing in game sales, make a simple sale thread in this forum so its documented.
There are also plenty of scammers out there so just be careful and only accept private contracts from those you know.
T2 violin FTW
adds 20% pity dont care to each level
penalty to complain |
magmorel
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:16:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: LordKain
what?
there is up side down situation how CCP could agree this acts?
Its part of eve, live and learn.
T2 violin FTW
adds 20% pity dont care to each level
penalty to complain |
LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:18:00 -
[8]
We were talking about qty and amount so I didnt expect any traps
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Utmahr
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:19:00 -
[9]
signed
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AilinDeSha
Amarr
KoTuKu u Pu6Ku
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:20:00 -
[10]
yeah. i can say the same. there's a lot of scammerz in Jita who's sellin' t1 ships as t2 usin' simple *change name*....
i hate those ppl...and i've lost aprox. 120mil isk on it ;(
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:22:00 -
[11]
wow a game that lets tiy do anything spying, shooting, scaming ect wow its so like real life its shocking!
not like a game played against other really humans might do something in a game they can do in life how shocking 
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:23:00 -
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LOL..... i am a reformed Ex-Scammer now, whos giving back to the community of EVE what he once took... and been givng my isk away. mainly because i am leaving the game now :((((
ôYes i am the guy who stole 75Billion ISK in assets and ISK, i feel generous today so have 19 Billion isk to give away for FREE... what ever you send me i will send back x10 more.ö
my name is spelt "r0me0" using numbers not letter "o"
My Eve Blog - LAST UPDATE : 22th FEB 07
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magmorel
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:25:00 -
[13]
Originally by: R0ME0
LOL..... i am a reformed Ex-Scammer now, whos giving back to the community of EVE what he once took... and been givng my isk away. mainly because i am leaving the game now :((((
ôYes i am the guy who stole 75Billion ISK in assets and ISK, i feel generous today so have 19 Billion isk to give away for FREE... what ever you send me i will send back x10 more.ö
my name is spelt "r0me0" using numbers not letter "o"
reformed scammer who scammed how many millions with that nice chat channel of yours.
T2 violin FTW
adds 20% pity dont care to each level
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:34:00 -
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Idiots, utter idiots. That's all i have to say to people that fall victims to "scams" such as Caracals being sold as Cerbs, free form contracts, some guy not long ago making an auction for a scammer with starting bid of 1 mill.... jeez, can you even read?
It's one thing when scams like EIB happen, in those, the victims take all precautions, pay all the attention, read everything, and in the end, it just ends up being on broken trust.
But to the OP here.... I don't feel sorry at the slightest. The more people like you are scammed, the less of your (brainless) kind will be around.
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Above comments are my personal views
Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:34:00 -
[15]
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
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magmorel
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:36:00 -
[16]
Originally by: LordKain
but stiil essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petition on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
good luck.
T2 violin FTW
adds 20% pity dont care to each level
penalty to complain |
Arithron
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:38:00 -
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Item exchanges, both private and public, list exactly what items are being offered! Hence, just ask for item exchange contracts (and make sure they aren't freeform contracts).
Romeo: Players like you bring the game into disrepute and you tarnish a great game with your actions! Anyone can think of ways of getting isk from players- thing is, most of us have some moral fibre...
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Jahria Jaeger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:41:00 -
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as i note many of us accept this situation, poor boy who was a victim
who cares....you dont understand that after thus posts many scammers will be not punished.. I hope nobody wants
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:44:00 -
[19]
dose your local government/councle folow you around with your own personal heath and safty inspector just incase you do something stupid? no id idndt think so, funny thing if you pay them money too dont you?
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:46:00 -
[20]
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit
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Nimie
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:55:00 -
[21]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit
it's legit. scaming is allow in this game in the same way pirating is.
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:57:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Mighty Baz on 21/02/2007 18:53:31
maybe CCP is not legit as well and CCP scamms ppl as well like that EvE is the best game in the world...funny, who is better scammer ?
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Cylynex
Two Guys Mining
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:58:00 -
[23]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
Because it's part of the game. If you bothered to read and pay attention to what you were doing, you wouldn't have gotten scammed. Pay closer attention next time.
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Lance Hawke
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:00:00 -
[24]
I'm laughing.
It's your own fault, not CCP's, if you're stupid enough to fall for a scam.
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:03:00 -
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I got enough isk to play , but i dont like opinion that CCP's algorythms of game give chance to scamm like that.
That's the point
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:06:00 -
[26]
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 19:06:30
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 19:05:10
ups I forget this guy sent me email that it was a trick to steal my isk. So this is argument for judge I hope so
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CarboniC
Gallente
lOGISTICS INC
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:07:00 -
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Idiots, utter idiots. That's all i have to say to people that fall victims to "scams" such as Caracals being sold as Cerbs, free form contracts, some guy not long ago making an auction for a scammer with starting bid of 1 mill.... jeez, can you even read?
It's one thing when scams like EIB happen, in those, the victims take all precautions, pay all the attention, read everything, and in the end, it just ends up being on broken trust.
But to the OP here.... I don't feel sorry at the slightest. The more people like you are scammed, the less of your (brainless) kind will be around
Hi
There are players who are just learning the game - did you start out mr perfect - did you know all there is to know? Coments like you have put in your text - does not identify someone so smart.
The guy was asking something - dont abuse players that have fallen foul -- help him out by puting constructive comments.
Carb
Trader and hauler. Jack of all trades, master of many.
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: CarboniC
Hi
There are players who are just learning the game - did you start out mr perfect - did you know all there is to know? Coments like you have put in your text - does not identify someone so smart.
The guy was asking something - dont abuse players that have fallen foul -- help him out by puting constructive comments.
Carb
Thats crap, everyone was born with a head on there shoulders, and for a reason... why not use it... its all down to lazy, greedy and quit honest stupid people.
My Eve Blog - LAST UPDATE : 22th FEB 07
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Chronus26
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:35:00 -
[29]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 19:06:30
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 19:05:10
ups I forget this guy sent me email that it was a trick to steal my isk. So this is argument for judge I hope so
It is legitimate to scam people out of their ISK - there is no argument about it, its the same way it has always been, the same way as ore theft, Piracy and Corp Theft are allowed (provided there is no breach of the EULA)
Most people learn quickly to avoid it, some dont.
Be more careful in future.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:36:00 -
[30]
Are you selling anything? If not then take your whine to another forum.
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:42:00 -
[31]
WTS: Tips on not getting scammed, 2 Mil a tip 
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Mealka
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:46:00 -
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IT is the same thing like in real world .. you buy a copy of somthing if you are carefoul.
C`est la vie.
Just take care... if it is a real seller will sell the thing in your way:D
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:47:00 -
[33]
I draw your attention that pirating , ore stealing etc are some parts of your risk in game. Its accepted by all player, probably as a element of game, but in my case we are talking about some none perfect mechanics of trade. This is little bit different, isnt?
However If someone says It's legit so in consequence all players should be thief like that, because nobody will be punished.
I dont care that I lost isk, but I dont want to pay for lack of CCP's activities . Who answer why escrow was removed in game, hy?
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:53:00 -
[34]
Originally by: LordKain
I draw your attention that pirating , ore stealing etc are some parts of your risk in game. Its accepted by all player, probably as a element of game, but in my case we are talking about some none perfect mechanics of trade. This is little bit different, isnt?
However If someone says It's legit so in consequence all players should be thief like that, because nobody will be punished.
I dont care that I lost isk, but I dont want to pay for lack of CCP's activities . Who answer why escrow was removed in game, hy?
so there isnt scams on ebay then is that what you saying?
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Fitz VonHeise
United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.02.21 20:26:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 21/02/2007 20:25:19
/signed.
One of the main points of changing the old Contracting system to the new was that there were too many scams going on.
For CCP to leave a KNOWN instrument for scamming as part of the Contracting system is hypocritical and leads people to not trust any aspect of Contracting. Fix this CCP.
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Lars Intarestum
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Posted - 2007.02.21 20:51:00 -
[36]
Allright, allright... Let's remember. CCP has X number of developers. X << The number needed to easily fix any and everything. Scamming is something that you can easily avoid by giving your brain half a use. All the other bugs and features that need to be developed could probably take priority.
Besides, you get the vague impression that maybe by giving legitmate industrialists the tools they need to handle business, they might be giving bad tools to scammers? I mean... WTF?! Naming contracts?! OMFG! EXPLOITZ!!
You wouldn't buy a car without looking under the hood, right?
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FalconHawk
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.21 20:59:00 -
[37]
maybe you should use the search more often, there is no need to whine about scams all day long when there are already omgwtf many posts ...and then in the wrong forum ....
Oveur¦s answer about recent contract scams
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Jahria Jaeger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:06:00 -
[38]
how many ppl should be scammed by others to change rulez by CCP?
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Esiluna
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:09:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Esiluna on 21/02/2007 21:05:42
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Brewmeister
Gallente
SNAP.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:09:00 -
[40]
the free form option is verry unclear in my opinion... ccp should have a look at it...
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Ariwa
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:21:00 -
[41]
It's very clear. Freeform means you can do whatever you want with it.
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:28:00 -
[42]
i'm sorry but if you get scammed its your own damn fault....I've played this game for coming on 3 years now and not once have i gotten scammed
its part of the game...get over it....cry alone at home...and not on the forums, maybe next time you'll smarten up
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:28:00 -
[43]
Originally by: CarboniC
Hi
There are players who are just learning the game
Hi
The OP is talking about a quantity (more than 1) of T2 ships. If he has the skills and ISK to buy multiple T2 ships, he isn't "just learning the game". I never bash genuinely new players
Originally by: Brewmeister
the free form option is verry unclear in my opinion... ccp should have a look at it...
Actually, it is very clear. It is exactly what the name says: "freeform" where the parties are free to form whatever they want. If you want your contract to be enforced (i.e. seller forced to sell, buyer forced to pay, etc), use the existing templates like Item Exchange and Courier. It doesn't get simpler than that.
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Above comments are my personal views
Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:31:00 -
[44]
Lets assume after the posts:
1. dishonest players are protecting, beacsue of no CCP reaction
2. unclear forms of contracting, maybe more events needed to do sth
3. lack of CCP comments, no idea how solve this problem
4. players acceptance as a standard part of game
5. anything else?
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:38:00 -
[45]
Originally by: LordKain
2. unclear forms of contracting, maybe more events needed to do sth
if you don't know what it is...or don't know how to use it....don't touch it
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Jahria Jaeger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:46:00 -
[46]
AirWalker, it was stupid answer. EvE is complex generally. To understand what I say plz ask some newcommers what is opinion about it
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:48:00 -
[47]
You are about to accept the following freeform contract
issued by N00b Scammer: "Scamz0r".
You will have to provide the following amount as
collateral: 1.000.000,00 ISK (1.0 Million)
If the issuer deems this contract a success you will
receive the following amount as payment: 10.000,00 ISK
READ THESE WARNINGS CAREFULLY!:
* Because this is a freeform contract the issuer has COMPLETE CONTROL over it and can declare it a failure at his or her own discretion.
* Accepting this contract does NOT bind N00b Scammer
to give you ANY items whatsoever. Not even if any item
types are listed in it. Not even if they appear with info
links! There are known scams involving exactly this.
Do not accept this contract unless you trust N00b Scammer completely!
Are you sure you want to do this?
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:09:00 -
[48]
it's funny no CCP response
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:11:00 -
[49]
Originally by: LordKain
it's funny no CCP response
and there shouldn't be.....don't try and force ccp to do thinking for ya (not you specifically)
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Blind Man
Kemono.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:13:00 -
[50]
i heard the terrorists are putting stupid in the water, and you must be drinkin lots of it
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:22:00 -
[51]
LordKain, look at my post above. CCP already responded, took down the servers, and hotfixed the warning message you get when trying to accept freeform contracts!
Its copied straight from the game.
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Empress Aphrodite
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:33:00 -
[52]
( OP) If you're after a response from CCP, bumping this thread is not the way to get it. This issue has been discussed many times and somebody has already been generous enough to link Oveur's response.
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Draco Ronan
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Posted - 2007.02.22 00:01:00 -
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So many noobs here, most of them probably scammers heh.
Last time i check, when you get scam IRL, authorities do something about it. In this case thats CCP. Why aren't they doing anything? If they want the game like that, at least TELL US so everyone will STFU when they get scam.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.02.22 00:15:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 22/02/2007 00:13:56
Originally by: Draco Ronan
So many noobs here, most of them probably scammers heh.
Last time i check, when you get scam IRL, authorities do something about it. In this case thats CCP. Why aren't they doing anything? If they want the game like that, at least TELL US so everyone will STFU when they get scam.
Authorities in Eve : Caldari Navy, CONCORD, Guardian Angels etc. Pod Pilots are not poor citizens in need of protection, they are rich, violent, unpredictable nobles roaming the void. They can take care of themself.
Did you actually read the message i quoted?
Quote:
You are about to accept the following freeform contract
issued by N00b Scammer: "Scamz0r".
You will have to provide the following amount as
collateral: 1.000.000,00 ISK (1.0 Million)
If the issuer deems this contract a success you will
receive the following amount as payment: 10.000,00 ISK
READ THESE WARNINGS CAREFULLY!:
* Because this is a freeform contract the issuer has COMPLETE CONTROL over it and can declare it a failure at his or her own discretion.
* Accepting this contract does NOT bind N00b Scammer
to give you ANY items whatsoever. Not even if any item
types are listed in it. Not even if they appear with info
links! There are known scams involving exactly this.
Do not accept this contract unless you trust N00b Scammer completely!
Are you sure you want to do this?
Thats what the game tells everyone who tries to accept a freeform contract. The devs stated many times, on many occasions, that the game allows scaming. Most of the people whining here are not the poor consumers who got robbed of their bread, they are greedy millionaires who thought they could rip someone off, but got burned in return.
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Murtkelpekin
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Posted - 2007.02.22 00:19:00 -
[55]
Scamming ingame items and isk is one thing, and its up to de devs to descide what action they will take.
But scamming timecards, that are usually bought for real currency, should not be tolerated in any way.
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JohnLukePicard
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Posted - 2007.02.22 02:20:00 -
[56]
Hehe nub ... read the tutorial...
Since it is legal to scam on contracts, i demand that we are provide with the right to a laywer , a justice system, and Judge Judy. 
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Draco Ronan
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Posted - 2007.02.22 03:09:00 -
[57]
Ok if scamming is allowed then let me pod those scammers in high sec.
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vile56
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.22 03:55:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Draco Ronan
Ok if scamming is allowed then let me pod those scammers in high sec.
dec em
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Draco Ronan
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Posted - 2007.02.22 04:31:00 -
[59]
I don't think you can declare war on a starting NPC corp
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Eves Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.22 06:39:00 -
[60]
**** CCP I hope there ******* island fails into the ocean
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Kan Gaxx
Minmatar
Wolfenrecon
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Posted - 2007.02.22 06:53:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Murtkelpekin
But scamming timecards, that are usually bought for real currency, should not be tolerated in any way.
And it isnt. GTC-sales and character transfers ARE PROTECTED by CCP.
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Saralle Zhukov
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Posted - 2007.02.22 09:24:00 -
[62]
The EVE developers (BoB scammers) are going to "Fix this"? I think not. Romeo is prolly a Dev himself, probably crying all the way to the bank that Ebay won't let him make a profit anymore.
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Marcathonas
The Hijackers
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Posted - 2007.02.22 09:48:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
The EVE developers (BoB scammers) are going to "Fix this"? I think not. Romeo is prolly a Dev himself, probably crying all the way to the bank that Ebay won't let him make a profit anymore.
If r0me0 was a dev I think a hell of a lot of people would be a hell of a lot more worried about the state of EVE.
Cut out the tinfoil crap kthx.
OP: It's perfectly legit. Pay far more attention to what's going on, you deserved to lose 900mil if you had no idea what freeform was.
And no, it shouldn't be removed. Freeform has other uses besides scamming, but scamming's teh easiest.
Maybe you should send 90mil to r0me0 actually, I hear he's a nice chap who sends back 10x as much!
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:03:00 -
[64]
its legal please read the forums more often
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:05:00 -
[65]
Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Do Not ever use Freeform auctions, they are all scams practically. There is no use for a freeform contract other than to scam.
When you are looking for contracts just switch the view filter to item exchange and only consider those.
I am sorry but CCP will not reimburse you. They consider scamming part of the game, which is sad because it turns more folks against the game then the folks it brings into the game.
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:08:00 -
[66]
Originally by: LordKain
Moved from sell orders section - hutch
a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Totaly Shock , is it true????
crazy, plz help me
You have been playing since 2003 and still didnt know scamming was legal in EVE.. i smell..**ay
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:09:00 -
[67]
Scamming is a valid tactic in this game. It's just as much a part of the game play as running level 4 missions is. The rules allow it.
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Andrea Tesla
Caldari
Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:31:00 -
[68]
I see no reason, why CCP should do anything about it.
There IS already a quite obvious warning label implemented with Freeforms. There is already a warning issued, when you auction something to a single person.
To me these reimbursement cries are the same, as if someone flew to 0.1 and got blown up, then complained, that CCP is not doing anything about it (as there IS a warning, when you enter low sec (at least for the very first time, there is).
The best way to avoid scams is to read what you are signing.
AT
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:41:00 -
[69]
In Eve Darwin plays the markets
Originally by: LordKain
As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him
Win
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Ben Musso
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:56:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Ben Musso on 22/02/2007 10:56:44
Originally by: LordKain
Lets assume after the posts:
1. dishonest players are protecting, beacsue of no CCP reaction
2. unclear forms of contracting, maybe more events needed to do sth
3. lack of CCP comments, no idea how solve this problem
4. players acceptance as a standard part of game
5. anything else?
1. No ... dishonest players are protected by the game mechanism. It's legit to try to scam you out of your cash using FREEFORM contracts that look good but not worth the clicks it takes to accept them. CCP does not have to react in any way. And anyho ... it's only a scam if you fall for it ... before that it's only something to laught at if you know how to READ !
2. Unclear ? What's so unclear about FREEFORM ... it's not labelled ITEM EXCHANGE or AUCTION
3. You are not the first, won't be the last that whine's on the forum for not being able to read and/or grasp what freeform means. There have been replies in the past and if you wanna take it up with somebody, file a petition and swallow the response. Another idea is to check the forum for previous threads about this topic instead of creating a new one.
Read above as "IT IS NO PROBLEM EVEN IF *YOU* THINK IT IS" ...
4. Heck if I know what you mean there.
5. Yes ... stop whining.
No Sig.
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Flyer11
Gallente
Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:04:00 -
[71]
i love these kind of threads, they make me laugh.. "i got scammed and lost 90m when i accepted a freeform contract or i sent r0me0 900m expecting 10x more back" why should ccp do anything about it when it's YOU that clicks accept not them not ccp's fault some people are morons
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:06:00 -
[72]
Originally by: LordKain
Moved from sell orders section - hutch
a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Totaly Shock , is it true????
crazy, plz help me
Scamming is very necessary. It keeps ISK out of the hands of people too stupid to be able to use it wisely and safely.
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Mike Spike
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:09:00 -
[73]
I wonder, if the bad feeling goes away, if you scam more often.
I've set up a few scam contracts to try it out last week.
Most of them will never work and they really stinks like scams. The char name already suggests that the char is a scammer, also the bio.
I don't know, why I made it relatively obvious.
So as I saw this thread, I checked my new scamming alt. 30mil isk more on my wallet. The not so obvious scam that was anyway solely based on trust has worked.
My first thought was that some poor guy has bought it and that made me feel bad. Can't wire him the isk back though, since I don't have his name in the logs.
Wish, my other scam had worked. I tried to sell the position of BoBs capital construction arrays. That was the most rediculous thing that came into my mind that day in my boredom. I thought, if someone buys it, it's really hilarious.
Don't know, if I go on. I feel dirty now. Waiting for the hate mail.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:12:00 -
[74]
There is no such thing as a scam in eve.. other than not being paid a single isk for something.
By this i mean the market is player controled.. meaning you paid 250mil for a caracal.. that caracal could very well sell for 250mil next week if bpos were removed and production of the ship stopped.
This sounds harsh but it is logical.. players create the market and use it as they do.. currently Hulks sell for 595mil.. this isnt a good price considering the history of the ships sales but it is the price you will pay for the ship if you want one.. since it is decided by the seller.
If you did not read/check t2 items when buying them i'm not suprised you failed to recieve what you paid for.
To compare it to real life.. i will put it this way,
lets say you get 2000 pounds and you want to buy a plasma TV.. you go into the shop and find the one you want.
First thing you do when you purchase something of high value to you is check that it works.. you effectivly bought a 15inch black and white TV for the price of a 60 inch plasma screen.. when you could have opend the box and checked.
It is simple in Eve.. look, show info, buy... sorted.
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:13:00 -
[75]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!
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Flyer11
Gallente
Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!
really, say it isnt true LMAO!!!
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:22:00 -
[77]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
The whole contract thing is pretty bullet proof if you use it correctly.
just like Item exchange - if you bother to read the contract you wont get scammed.
Freeform on the other hand or auctions set to 1mill start bid is just you
placing too much trust in someone you dont know. That CCP cant help you with.
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Melldorain
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:26:00 -
[78]
Scamming is a nice part of the game. Scamming by default not being nice - It does take a bastard to do! - but the fact scamming/corp-thieving/etc is allowed in game, without being blown away with a petition, makes for some really exiting and alternative gameplay not found in any other game - Just proves that EVE-Online is highly player driven and open-ended.
Only thing I could wish for in regards to scamming is that there were more ways to bait scammers and turn the tide, so it ended with you (the target) scamming the scammer. Currently scamming doesn't really have much of a risk If someone decline your scam you just search for at less bright victim and you can reroll a new toon if your reputation gets too known. I don't know what tools should be put in game to allow more bait-scamming but currently it's very limited what you can pull out of the hat.
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Mike Spike
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:28:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Mike Spike on 22/02/2007 11:26:49
Originally by: Tista
There is no such thing as a scam in eve.. other than not being paid a single isk for something.
By this i mean the market is player controled.. meaning you paid 250mil for a caracal.. that caracal could very well sell for 250mil next week if bpos were removed and production of the ship stopped.
I've sold a bookmark to something that doesn't exist for 30 mil.
I'm still looking for a way to get it in line with your statement that there are no scams in EVE. Maybe I don't have to feel bad afterall. 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:33:00 -
[80]
Originally by: LordKain
it's funny no CCP response
You can read CCP's stance on this whenever you accept a (any) freeform contract. You know the warning which says "there are known scams involving exactly this"...
=AFK=
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Flyer11
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08
but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...
I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?
I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...
It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!
really, say it isnt true LMAO!!!
I'm afraid so. Who wants my stuff?
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Jahria Jaeger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:55:00 -
[82]
Im afraid that better be cheater like BOB or scammerthan honest player in game
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GM Fire
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:02:00 -
[83]
Hi,
We have a knowledgebase article on this subject, please do check it out:
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=34
Character transfer scams, GTC scams and the like are strictly forbidden and the offenders will be punished in accordance with our EULA.
Regards,
GM Fire
EVE Online Customer Support
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Quilan Ziller
Gallente
FM Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:08:00 -
[84]
One thing that has not yet been mentioned in this thread is the warning dialog that one gets when he accepts the freeform contract.
It is a big and scary looking dialog that CCP has added in one of the latest patches. I don't remember the exact wording, but it says in BIG, BOLD letters that the issuer of the contract IS NOT obligated to hand over any items. It also says that there is a well known SCAMMING method that utilizes freeform contracts. Yes, you got me right. When you do try to accept a freeform, there is a warning that comes up "Warning Will Robertson: it is a SCAM!".
There is no reason to fall for a freeform scam if you actually read all the dialogs. And it is not just small print. It is extremely conspicious.
Still people fall for freeforms in droves.
Same thing with the "private auction" scam. It is extremely obvious. Yes, if you are setting up a private auction to a 1-person corp, you are going to sell your Thanatos carrier for 1000 ISK. Yet people still fall for this, and complain on the forums.
Sheesh. Read. Think. And you won't get scammed. That simple. No sympathy to the OP from me.
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Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win.
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Astorothe
Steel Frontier
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:11:00 -
[85]
As in real life, a simple lesson is that "if it seems to good to be true, then it probably is".
It's the same when you get a cold sales call telling you have won a trip to Barbados, and all you need to do is send in a admin fee to claim your prize...
It's the same when you walk down the street and a guy with a clipboard offers you "free movie tickets" - you know there is a catch right?
Most scammers in game operate on the fact that "1 in 100 people will fall for it". It's as simple as saying "Send me ISK and I will send 10x back". Most people will simply ignore you, but around 1 in 100 will "try" and send you ISK. If you do this often enough, and in populated channels (Jita), then you will make a fortune.
Remember, scammers, thieves, etc will always follow the path of least resistance, and they rely on spamming their scams in the knowledge eventually one will reply. Its why we have so much spam in real life. Its about quantity, not the quality of the scam.
I feel for the OP, who being rather new to the contract process, put faith in the system to protect him - he's learnt the hard way that even the contract system is not 100% foolproof.
If everyone just uses some common sense, they wont be scammed. I would go so far to say that I believe it's impossible to be scammed if you use common sense and remember "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is".
These are just my thoughts - I am not condoning nor condemning any one or action - and as long as you don't make a mistake twice, it wasn't a mistake in the first place.
o/
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Byron Wayne
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:21:00 -
[86]
From the title of the thread
I was thinking
Non stop scamming from Kieron was the reason
CCP does nothing
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: CarboniC
Idiots, utter idiots. That's all i have to say to people that fall victims to "scams" such as Caracals being sold as Cerbs, free form contracts, some guy not long ago making an auction for a scammer with starting bid of 1 mill.... jeez, can you even read?
It's one thing when scams like EIB happen, in those, the victims take all precautions, pay all the attention, read everything, and in the end, it just ends up being on broken trust.
But to the OP here.... I don't feel sorry at the slightest. The more people like you are scammed, the less of your (brainless) kind will be around
Hi
There are players who are just learning the game - did you start out mr perfect - did you know all there is to know? Coments like you have put in your text - does not identify someone so smart.
The guy was asking something - dont abuse players that have fallen foul -- help him out by puting constructive comments.
Carb
newbies havbe the warning messages still activated, where it clearly warns from accepting freeforms and even names it the source of numerous scams. so its all the fault of the person if he didnt read the warning message or even had them removed
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:36:00 -
[88]
All of you "smart" people that keep saying "It`s your own fault dude , learn from it!!! " are not that smart realy.
You are forgeting the most obvious thing as why people might get scamed even with the warnings and all.
And the simple answer is.... not so good at English ?
WOW , EUREKA !!! All of you smart asses just discovered that very big portion of the EvE players are NOT from US or England.
I am not ( Enlish grammar needs work but I try )and the OP is definatly NOT..if you read his post.
Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit
Sorry to hear that m8, but sounds as if everything was legit. NEVER EVER use freeform contracts for any sort of business.
I have no clue why CCP made them available but they are in game. Well, you lost a fight in the PvP market section. Some people lose ships in combats, some lose ships in contracts.
Don't trust anyone, always make sure that you are not running into a trap.
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:46:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Bazuka
All of you "smart" people that keep saying "It`s your own fault dude , learn from it!!! " are not that smart realy.
You are forgeting the most obvious thing as why people might get scamed even with the warnings and all.
And the simple answer is.... not so good at English ?
WOW , EUREKA !!! All of you smart asses just discovered that very big portion of the EvE players are NOT from US or England.
I am not ( Enlish grammar needs work but I try )and the OP is definatly NOT..if you read his post.
Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ?
If only there was some way that they could ask for help in translating those messages.... you know, like in game langauge-specific chat-channels or something. Those would be great.
I wonder if you can tell me: in what langauge does the freeform warning look like "Just ignore me and click OK, everything is fine - no need to find out what this message really says"
Meanwhile, the OP seems to have adequate language skills.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.22 12:54:00 -
[91]
You can't escape PvP just by staying docked in high sec
you my friend have been market pirated 
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Andrea Tesla
Caldari
Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster
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Posted - 2007.02.22 13:02:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Andrea Tesla on 22/02/2007 13:04:09
Originally by: Bazuka
Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ?
Nope, not a single bit. In fact I feel a bit smarter now, as english is not my first language, yet I was not foolish enough to spend money on something, that I do not understand. I wonder, what people do, if their firewall pops up with "File deleteUrHdnow.exe is asking for server rights. Do you want to confirm ?"
There is a wonderful ad-clip in german television these days.
Case 1: A office guy is interviewing a wannabe and asks them, if they can speak english.. He answers.."Yes of course (in german)".. next question is "would you sell business secrets ? (in english)".. answer.. "err... uhm.. Yes.. Yes !"
Case 2: A family from germany is traveling to the US and is asked by a customs commisioner: "Do you have any prohibited goods with you ?".. The man answers after looking dumb for a few seconds.. "... Yes.. Yes !" (while pointing to the whole baggage.
If you do not understand, what you are clicking OK for, do NOT CLICK OK.
AT
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.02.22 13:10:00 -
[93]
why is kieron's name in the title? he's the community manager? he can't make changes to the game...he may have a voice I KNOW!! why not preach to Hellmar!!
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2007.02.22 13:56:00 -
[94]
Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with.
One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:06:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Lord Frost
Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with.
One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
Hush, FFS
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:07:00 -
[96]
Originally by: LordKain
As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Yes this is not a Blizzard mmo, this is not a fantasy mmo with magical elves and ****.
Quote:
crazy, plz help me
Nope.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:08:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Lord Frost
Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with.
One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
check out the background of the people that invented the game. especially in ultima online. then u will understand that this is all intended. i love this game especially because things like this are possible. there are warnings for the beginners but everybody seems to enjoy ignoring them.
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Andrea Tesla
Caldari
Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:17:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lord Frost
Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with.
I disagree. Trust is indeed one of the most valuable things ever to be built in any MMOG. If the game mechanics are babysitting us all to a point, where trust is not an issue at all anymore, than why play with other human beings at all ?
Originally by: Lord Frost
One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
There is a warning, when you enter low sec.
There is a warning, when accepting a freeform contract.
If you ignore the warning for low sec, and you get shot, you will not get any compensation.
If you ignore the warning for freeforms, and you get scammed, you will not get any compensation.
See any parallel ?
AT
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:20:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lord Frost
Scammers should not be allowed... scams should not be able to happen. The only reason they do is the devs have no way of monitoring it and/or stopping it, so of course they allow it. Eve should be rid of scammers. There are new people everyday joining here, and to call them idiots for being scammed is pretty ignorant on your part. People expect to get compensated for their money. Its a shame scammers are here, and its quite pathetic of them... its also a huge black eye to this game. Trust is the last issue you should have to deal with.
One other note, CONCORD and sentry guns are there to help hostiles... but there are no reprecussions to a scammer... devs need to fix that... fast. The new contract system is pretty bad, and only made matters worse.
There's simply no way a new player will fall for one of these scams. You know why? New players don't have that much cash to loose. The scammers don't scam for petty cash, but for millions and millions. If a player falls for that it can mean one of two things:
1. He's too stupid to read all the warnings already in the game and thus does not deserve his wealth.
2. He bought his character on eBay and should thus be griefed to hell and back.
Pick one, because there are no other alternatives.
/Ki
Haven't got one yet?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:58:00 -
[100]
There is nothing you can do to stop scamming. It will happen. Just learn and move on. The worst that you can do is expose their mains, and they usually dont care anyway.
Exposing their mains wont do anything, I remember the old quote about Having no alts, but 3 accounts full of mains so there is no winning solution.
But alas, forum power > brain power....
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:24:00 -
[101]
enough , as I mention CCP is not interested in any dialogue. No comments...
plz stop it It doesnt make sense talking about scammers without any CCP representatives
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The Fates
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:29:00 -
[102]
Like omg I cannot be expected to read anything or think for myself CCP protect me reimburse me and stop the madness of ebil scamming people while i blame ccp cos it is ofc all their fault omg i can't believe that it happened to me
BLAH
BLAH
BLAH
LOL
Originally by: Sun Tzu
In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
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Bruce Newman
Caldari
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: LordKain
As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Yes this is not a Blizzard mmo, this is not a fantasy mmo with magical elves and ****.
Quote:
crazy, plz help me
Nope.
Hm, seems to me like wrapping paper in WoW (wrap up a cheap item and claim it's an expensive one).
No refund afaik - even if I personally think MMORPG devs should ban people using that stuff, because they usually catch the inexperienced, new players. EVE is more complex as WoW and those contracts might be difficult to read for a new player (rather always ask for item exchange contracts)and I am sure quite a bunch might consider leaving after loosing most of their stuff that way. CCP therefore - by not intervening - looses new players and keeps the asshats. IMHO the opposite would be more healthy for a MMOG.
Yes, people are careless like the "Terrorist in Jita" thread shows.
U N B E L I E V E A B L E (ok, not if you do it for fun and expect to loose your money anyways). And that's why I understand CCP's position - despite the needed additional manpower needed. But I still think it would simply be healthier for the game and less annoying for all of us to see all that scam-spamming.
There was that job offer - didn't knew it would turn out as a suicide mission - duh! |
Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:25:00 -
[104]
lol any type of scam within the game mechaanics is 100% fine so stop complaining... you should be more carefull with large amounts of isk and to always double cheak... like you would do in RL.
well mabey RL has police and laws so the only retribution you can have is podding the guy but still
Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5 |
Arix Oeone
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: LordKain
enough , as I mention CCP is not interested in any dialogue. No comments...
plz stop it It doesnt make sense talking about scammers without any CCP representatives
They're not interested in discussion because there is nothing to discuss. It's all working as intended.
Scamming is a perfectly valid, if not respected, gameplay style. It adds a touch of realism, and is one of the things that drew me to the game. I find it compelling that I have to watch out for scams myself, and that the game isn't holding my hand and babysitting me the whole time.
I haven't been scammed yet, but I'm sure it'll happen in some way or other eventually. When it does, I will learn from the experience, and continue on a little wiser. What I won't do is come on the forums and cry to mommy CCP to make the bad man stop.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:40:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Bruce Newman
I personally think MMORPG devs should ban people using that stuff, because they usually catch the inexperienced, new players. EVE is more complex as WoW and those contracts might be difficult to read for a new player
Difficult to read eh? I say devs should ban players who CANT FRIGGN READ.
(get the hell of my internet n00b)
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Jollyreaper
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:18:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Lance Hawke
I'm laughing.
It's your own fault, not CCP's, if you're stupid enough to fall for a scam.
That's a very crap attitude you have there. I take it you pirate, too?
EVE isn't real life, it's a game. If people are informed about the risks and are willing to take the chance, more power to them. But I really don't like it how someone can stumble into a bear trap when they had no intention of doing anything dangerous.
The roleplaying thefts and betrayals involving characters infiltrating organizations, that's fair. But contract scamming? That's just cheap. Do you guys want to keep people in the game or do you want to drive away all casual players? Then you'll be complaining that you have no one to pew-pew at.
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:36:00 -
[108]
Why in the hell would you accept a freeform contract? Are you people retarded?
I don't like scamming, but it's a part of the game to weed out the week and stupid. If you don't learn from this or others mistakes then you deserve to be scammed
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:24:00 -
[109]
The guy, who stole my ISK sent me mail, he confirmed CCP did nothing and he could be scammer every time, because he would be unpunished by nobody...
tell me, Is it enough argument for CCP?
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Flaming sambuka
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:25:00 -
[110]
Originally by: LordKain
Moved from sell orders section - hutch
a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????
Totaly Shock , is it true????
crazy, plz help me
HAHA
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:41:00 -
[111]
Edited by: LordKain on 23/02/2007 12:38:54
yea, It 's funny...
I read some posts and I dont understand people who accepted it maybe I m too honest and I should play unfair, because of EvE's game folklore.
Probably I will change game firstly
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:44:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/02/2007 12:40:54
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 23/02/2007 12:38:54
yea, It 's funny...
I read some posts and I dont understand people who accepted it maybe I m too honest and I should play unfair, because of EvE's game folklore.
Probably I will change game firstly
Eve is like RL, there's some not-nice people in it. Avoid them, join them or be victimised by them, the choice is yours.
Or quit. And, tbh, seeing Darwin in action keeps the mob happy.
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Kaalen
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:45:00 -
[113]
CCP have always maintained that as long as things like this take place within the game (i.e. not via cheating or exploits) then it is completely allowed. This is to maintain realism and freedom within the game, I believe. The intention has always been to allow players to be whatever they want to be, if I want to be a pirate and ransom peoples ships, then I can. I want to join a big corp, work my way through the ranks and then make off with all of their BPO's, CCP wouldn't stop me (I might even make the news!). If I want to scam you out of your isk this way, then that's perfectly acceptable.
The trick is that none of these things are impossible for you to avoid, be wary of contracts and be on your toes about scams. Just like you would be in real life. If it's too good to be true then it probably isn't. Learn from this experience and you can avoid it next time. EVE is different to any other MMO in that CCP are not there to hold your hand, you have to fend for yourself.
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Elain Reverse
Caldari
Shokei
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:49:00 -
[114]
Originally by: ragewind
wow a game that lets tiy do anything spying, shooting, scaming ect wow its so like real life its shocking!
not like a game played against other really humans might do something in a game they can do in life how shocking
Maybe I am blind but i dont see any Police (Concord) making friendly  vosit to those scamers like it is in reallife. Sume busted stuff, suspended account like prison in real life and it will be more like real life. So far its only danger free zone for all scamers.
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Kalchak
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Posted - 2007.02.23 12:53:00 -
[115]
I'm new, and have yet to use contracts at all, what exactly is the fiddle with free form contracts?
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Sakura Ford
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:00:00 -
[116]
Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P
Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal.
CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this
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Elain Reverse
Caldari
Shokei
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:02:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Kaalen
CCP have always maintained that as long as things like this take place within the game (i.e. not via cheating or exploits) then it is completely allowed. This is to maintain realism and freedom within the game, I believe. The intention has always been to allow players to be whatever they want to be, if I want to be a pirate and ransom peoples ships, then I can. I want to join a big corp, work my way through the ranks and then make off with all of their BPO's, CCP wouldn't stop me (I might even make the news!). If I want to scam you out of your isk this way, then that's perfectly acceptable.
The trick is that none of these things are impossible for you to avoid, be wary of contracts and be on your toes about scams. Just like you would be in real life. If it's too good to be true then it probably isn't. Learn from this experience and you can avoid it next time. EVE is different to any other MMO in that CCP are not there to hold your hand, you have to fend for yourself.
I relay like when ppl comparing things to real life and forgeting there is no oposite side to it in eve.
Pirates: in higsec Concord and players can dust them, in lowsec so far they have easy life (except when they realy make angry someons corp to war them, but then pirates just disaper for while.), but i think thats gonna change with Relevations 2.
Scamers: What you can do with it ? Simple nothing, they dont even leave station for you to war them. As for just be carrefull, basicaly yes, but... you cant be so carrefull 24/7 - 365 days a year. With raising numbers of contracts you have prety good chance to fall to one too and i dont want to belive CCP design contracts for this purpose.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:02:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Sakura Ford
Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P
Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal.
CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this
They don't bother will small-time stuff, and by your logic Eve should be WoW in space because they'd get more subscribers that way.
Fail.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:07:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Sakura Ford
Scammers are bad for the eve-world, new players that are on a trail and get scammed have a possibility of continue playing or look for a other game. CCP will miss that 15 bucks a month :P
Sure, you think 500k isn't much to lose... but try telling that to a new player who doesn't know how to make quick cash and just lost everything in a scammer deal.
I do not wish to flame you, but please read all the responses, and you won't come off as stupid.
Scammers don't target new players with 500k isk. They target stupid players with 500 million isk. That's what makes scamming worth wile, and totally ok in my eyes. If you're stupid enough to loose 900 million isk to a scam, you're not gonna get much sympathy. Find me a scammer that scams newbies out of 500k isk, and I'll admit I'm wrong.
Originally by: Sakura Ford
CCP is aware, they are just powerless to fight against this
CCP is aware, and they won't do anything because this is intended to be a part of the game. It has nothing to do with them being powerless, as they clearly are not. They can change the contract system at any time, and have done so to make scamming harder, but not impossible.
Please buy a clue. I've got one. It's yours for 100 million. I'll set up a freeform contract for ya.
/Ki
Haven't got one yet?
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Maximus Epeenus
Caldari
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:08:00 -
[120]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit
It's legit, I have to wonder how you made 900m in the first place.
Scamming is legit and long should it be. I am not a scammer and yes, I have been scammed, but scamming can only happen in two ways.
If you are ignorant of game mechanics or you are just stupid.
That said these days you have to be pretty stupid to be ignorant of such mechanics, especially if you have 900m + in your wallet.
Just suck it up, spend less time whining on EvE-O forums and more time making ISKies in game.
QQ
Max
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LordKain
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:36:00 -
[121]
ok, Im stupid, thx
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Triana Dalrathan
Minmatar
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.23 13:42:00 -
[122]
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit
Is it nice when it happens. No of course not. But this is a sandbox world where these things are allowed to happen, along with piracy, spying and embezzlement ( corptheft).
In your case all I can say is a small phrase that has been around for many many years...Caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware. It worked when latin was still a live language, it works in real life, and it works in Eve.
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