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tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 07:15:00 - [1] Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 07:13:50 w a r n i n g : this thread due to it's very nature may upset eve's fluffier residents. boohooo BOOM :-D Hello fellow evil bastards.. I thought I'd continue from where the last smartbomb thread left off and let you all know what happens if you throw a little isk at the problem of killing those wtz *******s that are the bain of every low sec gatecamp. Now bombing warp to zero has been working real good and pretty much all small ships and pods have been insta popping no problem, but it's just not enough boom... sure having two bombing ships is good but I thought it would be better to have just one uber bomb ship instead. (can we have a dedicated bomber class CCP with smarty bonuses ? :-)) With this in mind I took my trusty evil alt (whos name shall remain secret ;-) to Jita yesterday and purchased 8 faction smart bombs for a total of 320m isk. Due to the limited amount of these on market I ended up with a weird assortment of DB, TS, DG, SS, Dom etc but maybe they would still have the desired effect. With more range and quite alot more dmg I was hoping for nice results... Anyway to cut to the point of the post, they work just plain awesome. First off the dmg is enough to pop WTZ Haulers as they tumble out of warp but then we get to the increased range. As I am now sitting 7.5km from the gate not only is the 'window' of bombing 15km which increases the chance of a hit, but you also bomb the warp to 15km guys as well... I think as people start to realize the effect these faction bomb setups can have on wtz, the price will start to go up as supply seems quite limited. additional : one word of warning, make sure any corp m8s with alts etc know about the camp... blue on blue situations occur way to easily and I think at least 2-3 corpies have died to these bombs in last few days, still, one of them dropped some nice loot
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 08:20:00 - [2] I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. _________________________________________
lofty29 Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.22 08:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. Anyone who runs a TS Smartbomb on a mothership deserves to die Officer ftw. --- http://static.griefwatch.net/gallery/18028383f236b20e4c0f6d7492e58408.gif Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:11:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. Anyone who runs a TS Smartbomb on a mothership deserves to die Officer ftw. Officer ones are rather rare as well and very expensive. Carriers often use faction smartbombs. _________________________________________
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:26:00 - [5] Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:24:03 Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. How is a mothership better at it ?
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:34:00 - [6] Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? I'm going to guess: 1) Ability to tank sentries forever. 2) Ability to warp/jump if any trouble arrives However, you give up 2 high slots and thus 2 smartbombs for those advantages. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:47:00 - [7] Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:44:39 Well, my bombing rokh has 8 bombs, 5 stabs and a MWD. Ohh, and it can pretty much perma tank sentrys :-) Main advantage is it don't cost 25bill isk ;-)
Michayel Lyon The Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.22 10:20:00 - [8] Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 10:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.22 11:35:00 - [10] Aww, tiller is trying to copy Heikki Good luck, but you probably cannot approach the legendary ownage that the original smartbomber dished out EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 11:41:00 - [11] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone TunDragon got theirs from PvP alone iirc. ______________________________________ Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre Dragon.
Smog890 Minmatar Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 11:45:00 - [12] yeah watch out for that
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 11:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Zaethiel on 22/02/2007 11:49:31 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. ---------------------------------------------- How is a mothership better at it ? I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone Unlikely to do it by smartbombing shuttles and noobships, but you can definitely do it by killing all the noobs that rat in 0.0. Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. Also a mothership is better at it because they are virtually unkillable in lowsec. 5 stabs work to an extent but they wont save you forever. Heck, MD-K killed tank Ceo in his chimera with 6 ships and he had 4 stabs fitted. if he had killed 1 BS he couldve warped off, but he failed to kill anyone. GF though. (Pre-Revelations so stabs had no negative affects.) _________________________________________
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:10:00 - [14] Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 12:19:48 Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. w a r n i n g : this thread due to it's very nature may upset eve's fluffier residents. boohooo BOOM :-D You come into a thread about smartbombing and have a go at me for SMARTBOMBING SHIPS. I mean, wtf
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:15:00 - [15] I fully support gate bombers. I'll be one myself soon. Best of luck, tiller. And your sig never gets old. --------- Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Quote: Whats a gatecamp? Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Aww, tiller is trying to copy Heikki Good luck, but you probably cannot approach the legendary ownage that the original smartbomber dished out He did a good job and was one of best stories I've read about in eve... This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ. You may of heard of it. ;-)
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:28:00 - [17] Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 12:24:53 Originally by: hUssmann Originally by: tiller Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone TunDragon got theirs from PvP alone iirc. They did well then and had alot of patience. I die too much and take too many risks to make good isk tbh... playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do.
LittleTerror Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:38:00 - [18] sends ALT to empire to buy some smarties Got some little pests running around that need removing ^_^
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. have snowy even got 20 members lol. don't think i've ever seen 1 of their killmails with more than 6 ppl on. DE
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Zaethiel Edited by: Zaethiel on 22/02/2007 11:49:31 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. ---------------------------------------------- How is a mothership better at it ? I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone Unlikely to do it by smartbombing shuttles and noobships, but you can definitely do it by killing all the noobs that rat in 0.0. Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. You of all people should know better than to use the standard anti gate camper argument Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
easei Caldari Energy. Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.22 19:03:00 - [21] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:24:03 Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. How is a mothership better at it ? SB range is off of the ships hull not it's center so larger ships have a larger effective area for damage.
zwerg Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:43:00 - [22] yarrrr! give us the bombarock! Describtion: Tiller's favortie toy. Slot Layout: 8/5/6 Bonuses: 20% Bonus to smartbomb range and 10% bonus to Smartbomb Damage per level. now serious, thats what we need in da game!!!
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:50:00 - [23] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 12:19:48 Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. w a r n i n g : this thread due to it's very nature may upset eve's fluffier residents. boohooo BOOM :-D You come into a thread about smartbombing and have a go at me for SMARTBOMBING SHIPS. I mean, wtf lol I was thinking the same thing Tiller. Very strange.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:53:00 - [24] Edited by: Zaethiel on 22/02/2007 22:51:50 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Zaethiel Edited by: Zaethiel on 22/02/2007 11:49:31 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Michayel Lyon Originally by: tiller How is a mothership better at it ? It's all about the coolness factor. ---------------------------------------------- How is a mothership better at it ? I'd say carebear factor, lets face it... you don't get yaself one by PVP alone Unlikely to do it by smartbombing shuttles and noobships, but you can definitely do it by killing all the noobs that rat in 0.0. Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. You of all people should know better than to use the standard anti gate camper argument ?; i know i gate camp here and there but i roam and do a lot of small gang/ solo killing. I made 1 bill isk from killing people in 0.0 solo in a little under a month. Though most of my 0.0 roaming was small gang. _________________________________________
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:56:00 - [25] Carnage
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:03:00 - [26] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. have snowy even got 20 members lol. don't think i've ever seen 1 of their killmails with more than 6 ppl on. DE i count 13 in the carnage picture. 14 if you count the grey guy. _________________________________________
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. have snowy even got 20 members lol. don't think i've ever seen 1 of their killmails with more than 6 ppl on. DE i count 13 in the carnage picture. 14 if you count the grey guy. 34 members and growing How are the MDK guys doing these days?
Jhonen Senraedi Minmatar Aonyma Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:55:00 - [28] Edited by: Jhonen Senraedi on 22/02/2007 23:54:36 Originally by: tiller[/quote They did well then and had alot of patience. I die too much and take too many risks to make good isk tbh... playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Like the way you take risks....massive gatecamps in Dreads etc to gank haulers and noobie frigs..wow..mighty risk... And..how exactly does your fit constitute a risk...5 WCS FFFS...Living on the edge there Tiller.. Yet another self promoting thread form the guys in SNOWY...mind you waiting for the guide that they willbe expert at... OCTOBER SNOW'S GUIDE TO DOCKING AND LOGGING..
Speed Devil Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:55:00 - [29] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Dark Shikari Aww, tiller is trying to copy Heikki Good luck, but you probably cannot approach the legendary ownage that the original smartbomber dished out He did a good job and was one of best stories I've read about in eve... This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ. You may of heard of it. ;-) not really new actually... he caught alot of intys in 0.0 with instas and thats almost exactly the same like WTZ Originally by: Merkanas To people who can't understand: there are rules and there are morals, don't get them confused. If rules allow it and you have no moral objection, by all means... have fun.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Zaethiel Learn how to actually kill people without 20+ ships and smartboming defensless ships and you might actually make some isk instead of losing it. have snowy even got 20 members lol. don't think i've ever seen 1 of their killmails with more than 6 ppl on. DE i count 13 in the carnage picture. 14 if you count the grey guy. 34 members and growing How are the MDK guys doing these days? Doing good. Moving, resituating. _________________________________________
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:25:00 - [31] I have this strange urge to participate in all smartbomb threads, whether I have anything new to add.. Originally by: tiller This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ Alas, in 0.0 WTZ seems to have reduced the effectiviness of such tactics. People seem far more eager to warp to a planet and then to a gate, even when seeing only single person in local. Anyway, something almost new: quick (undocumented) tool to play and see how well smarties should kill things: http://tirannon.tky.hut.fi/cgi-bin/ship_bombs.pl -Lasse experimenting with smarties again
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:25:00 - [32] I have this strange urge to participate in all smartbomb threads, whether I have anything new to add.. Originally by: tiller This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ Alas, in 0.0 WTZ seems to have reduced the effectiviness of such tactics. People seem far more eager to warp to a planet and then to a gate, even when seeing only single person in local. Anyway, something almost new: quick (undocumented) tool to play and see how well smarties should kill things: http://tirannon.tky.hut.fi/cgi-bin/ship_bombs.pl -Lasse experimenting with smarties again
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:52:00 - [33] Humm..So I take it smartbombs are the only way to pirate in lowsec these days?
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:52:00 - [34] Humm..So I take it smartbombs are the only way to pirate in lowsec these days?
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:55:00 - [35] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 06:51:56 Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi Edited by: Jhonen Senraedi on 22/02/2007 23:54:36 Originally by: tiller[/quote They did well then and had alot of patience. I die too much and take too many risks to make good isk tbh... playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Like the way you take risks....massive gatecamps in Dreads etc to gank haulers and noobie frigs..wow..mighty risk... And..how exactly does your fit constitute a risk...5 WCS FFFS...Living on the edge there Tiller.. Yet another self promoting thread form the guys in SNOWY...mind you waiting for the guide that they willbe expert at... OCTOBER SNOW'S GUIDE TO DOCKING AND LOGGING.. Your a funny guy I'd argue the opposite, low sec gate camping with cap ships is dam risky unless you have a mothership. Wether your in a dread or a carrier, one well tanked 'bait' ship is gonna pin you down while his buddys come in a drain you to death. I'm guessing you don't even fly a cap ship in PVP ? As far as the stabs, I don't need my low slots so why should I not decrease my risk of being caught. They have saved me once already with 3 guys scrambling me. Ahhh, I get it... you think I should take a bigger risk for no reason ? My new setup will be 5 expanded cargo hold II and 100,000 morphite in cargo.
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:55:00 - [36] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 06:51:56 Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi Edited by: Jhonen Senraedi on 22/02/2007 23:54:36 Originally by: tiller[/quote They did well then and had alot of patience. I die too much and take too many risks to make good isk tbh... playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Like the way you take risks....massive gatecamps in Dreads etc to gank haulers and noobie frigs..wow..mighty risk... And..how exactly does your fit constitute a risk...5 WCS FFFS...Living on the edge there Tiller.. Yet another self promoting thread form the guys in SNOWY...mind you waiting for the guide that they willbe expert at... OCTOBER SNOW'S GUIDE TO DOCKING AND LOGGING.. Your a funny guy I'd argue the opposite, low sec gate camping with cap ships is dam risky unless you have a mothership. Wether your in a dread or a carrier, one well tanked 'bait' ship is gonna pin you down while his buddys come in a drain you to death. I'm guessing you don't even fly a cap ship in PVP ? As far as the stabs, I don't need my low slots so why should I not decrease my risk of being caught. They have saved me once already with 3 guys scrambling me. Ahhh, I get it... you think I should take a bigger risk for no reason ? My new setup will be 5 expanded cargo hold II and 100,000 morphite in cargo.
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Heikki I have this strange urge to participate in all smartbomb threads, whether I have anything new to add.. Originally by: tiller This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ Alas, in 0.0 WTZ seems to have reduced the effectiviness of such tactics. People seem far more eager to warp to a planet and then to a gate, even when seeing only single person in local. Anyway, something almost new: quick (undocumented) tool to play and see how well smarties should kill things: http://tirannon.tky.hut.fi/cgi-bin/ship_bombs.pl -Lasse experimenting with smarties again aha the great Heikki is here, im honoured. Fancy coming down to one of our camps one day as a 'guest bomber' ? convo me in game
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Heikki I have this strange urge to participate in all smartbomb threads, whether I have anything new to add.. Originally by: tiller This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ Alas, in 0.0 WTZ seems to have reduced the effectiviness of such tactics. People seem far more eager to warp to a planet and then to a gate, even when seeing only single person in local. Anyway, something almost new: quick (undocumented) tool to play and see how well smarties should kill things: http://tirannon.tky.hut.fi/cgi-bin/ship_bombs.pl -Lasse experimenting with smarties again aha the great Heikki is here, im honoured. Fancy coming down to one of our camps one day as a 'guest bomber' ? convo me in game
Hypatia Iola Caldari Warhounds	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:48:00 - [39] alright jhonen, that was kinda pointless man, a meaningless stab put in exclusively for self gratification. tiller, your turn, every post i've ever seen you start (and about 2/3s of the ones i've seen you add to) have been identical in form.... that said, they're still funny as hell. i toally disagree with your gameplay, though i have no problem with PvP or even being blobbed really (it's been happenening a lot since i moved to lowsec), but it doesn't stop me from laughing at some of the people who seem to have this "Logic-Off" switch any time you post. by the way, i'm all 10 of the top 10 pvpers in eve. just informing everyone http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/45d4e030z1b06b782/flibbertigibbet2/__sr_/72c2scd.jpg?pf0GO1FB.4ah3.DN
Hypatia Iola Caldari Warhounds	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:48:00 - [40] alright jhonen, that was kinda pointless man, a meaningless stab put in exclusively for self gratification. tiller, your turn, every post i've ever seen you start (and about 2/3s of the ones i've seen you add to) have been identical in form.... that said, they're still funny as hell. i toally disagree with your gameplay, though i have no problem with PvP or even being blobbed really (it's been happenening a lot since i moved to lowsec), but it doesn't stop me from laughing at some of the people who seem to have this "Logic-Off" switch any time you post. by the way, i'm all 10 of the top 10 pvpers in eve. just informing everyone http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/45d4e030z1b06b782/flibbertigibbet2/__sr_/72c2scd.jpg?pf0GO1FB.4ah3.DN
Miz Cenuij Simply Smacktackular SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:55:00 - [41] LOL, if you want to see someone smartbombing with style mate, watch this video.. Mass Murder in empire 8 suicide bomber geddons per day. 8 days of carnage in HIGH sec. The above jihad resulted in 2 forum posts, each with over 10k reads and several hundred replies, eve underground radio interview, ISD interview, Eve gaurdian interview and 1 final warning... LOL, its been done Tiller, with more style, more pinache, more ISK, more risk and more skill than you are currently bragging about. You still got a lot to learn young nubbin. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Miz Cenuij Simply Smacktackular SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 07:55:00 - [42] LOL, if you want to see someone smartbombing with style mate, watch this video.. Mass Murder in empire 8 suicide bomber geddons per day. 8 days of carnage in HIGH sec. The above jihad resulted in 2 forum posts, each with over 10k reads and several hundred replies, eve underground radio interview, ISD interview, Eve gaurdian interview and 1 final warning... LOL, its been done Tiller, with more style, more pinache, more ISK, more risk and more skill than you are currently bragging about. You still got a lot to learn young nubbin. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:32:00 - [43] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 08:55:39 Originally by: Miz Cenuij LOL, if you want to see someone smartbombing with style mate, watch this video.. Mass Murder in empire 8 suicide bomber geddons per day. 8 days of carnage in HIGH sec. The above jihad resulted in 2 forum posts, each with over 10k reads and several hundred replies, eve underground radio interview, ISD interview, Eve gaurdian interview and 1 final warning... LOL, its been done Tiller, with more style, more pinache, more ISK, more risk and more skill than you are currently bragging about. You still got a lot to learn young nubbin. This is not a thread about suicide geddons in empire... your in the wrong thread. I'm not bragging numbnuts, Im trying to let other pirates know of tactics I'm trying... Did you know that a faction bomber would be much more effective than a t1 bomber for WTZ bombing ? Did you know that the extended range would help with WTZ bombing ? Did you know if it's possible to pop a cruiser or hauler with a single bomber ship ? Did you know the isk investment would be worthwhile ? Did you know it's possible to bomb WTZ and 15km at the same time ? ....I didn't hence my experiments. I'm not the first, I'm not the best (though being the 2nd best PVPer in eve helps :-) If you already know everything I'm talking about just ignore this post and do something else constructive rather than pointless flames. ZOMG SNOWY THREAD MUST DESTROY Your just another smacktard in a SNOWY thread, gratz.
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:32:00 - [44] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 08:55:39 Originally by: Miz Cenuij LOL, if you want to see someone smartbombing with style mate, watch this video.. Mass Murder in empire 8 suicide bomber geddons per day. 8 days of carnage in HIGH sec. The above jihad resulted in 2 forum posts, each with over 10k reads and several hundred replies, eve underground radio interview, ISD interview, Eve gaurdian interview and 1 final warning... LOL, its been done Tiller, with more style, more pinache, more ISK, more risk and more skill than you are currently bragging about. You still got a lot to learn young nubbin. This is not a thread about suicide geddons in empire... your in the wrong thread. I'm not bragging numbnuts, Im trying to let other pirates know of tactics I'm trying... Did you know that a faction bomber would be much more effective than a t1 bomber for WTZ bombing ? Did you know that the extended range would help with WTZ bombing ? Did you know if it's possible to pop a cruiser or hauler with a single bomber ship ? Did you know the isk investment would be worthwhile ? Did you know it's possible to bomb WTZ and 15km at the same time ? ....I didn't hence my experiments. I'm not the first, I'm not the best (though being the 2nd best PVPer in eve helps :-) If you already know everything I'm talking about just ignore this post and do something else constructive rather than pointless flames. ZOMG SNOWY THREAD MUST DESTROY Your just another smacktard in a SNOWY thread, gratz.
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:55:00 - [45] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:24:03 Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. How is a mothership better at it ? it has the PG to fit officer smartbombs :D now thats sick :D Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- <------ Hijack free space :) -----------------
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:55:00 - [46] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:24:03 Originally by: Zaethiel I would say the faction smartbombs are rare because of Motherships =) also smartbombing on gates is nothing new. It been done over and over. Motherships are still best at it. How is a mothership better at it ? it has the PG to fit officer smartbombs :D now thats sick :D Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- <------ Hijack free space :) -----------------
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 09:46:00 - [47] Did you know that a faction bomber would be much more effective than a t1 bomber for WTZ bombing ? You really should re-read this question. Quite Obviously yes; duh. Doubt anyone would say no to this one. Did you know that the extended range would help with WTZ bombing ? Why wouldnt it? Did you know if it's possible to pop a cruiser or hauler with a single bomber ship ? Cant pop any decent cruisers or haulers but you can easily pop all the noobs. Did you know the isk investment would be worthwhile ? Its your opinion that its worthwhile. It'd be my opinion that smartbombing little things would be a waste of time unless you want to killmail ***; of which i did enough of personally by sniping in tama. Did you know it's possible to bomb WTZ and 15km at the same time ?** Did you know a mothership is so large that with 9km smartbombs they can hit almost anything that decloaks on a gate. (of course depends on what racial gate it is) minmatar ftl =( Your just another smacktard in a SNOWY thread, gratz. One way of putting it, but at the end of the day your the one smartbombing noobs in low-sec. _________________________________________
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 09:46:00 - [48] Did you know that a faction bomber would be much more effective than a t1 bomber for WTZ bombing ? You really should re-read this question. Quite Obviously yes; duh. Doubt anyone would say no to this one. Did you know that the extended range would help with WTZ bombing ? Why wouldnt it? Did you know if it's possible to pop a cruiser or hauler with a single bomber ship ? Cant pop any decent cruisers or haulers but you can easily pop all the noobs. Did you know the isk investment would be worthwhile ? Its your opinion that its worthwhile. It'd be my opinion that smartbombing little things would be a waste of time unless you want to killmail ***; of which i did enough of personally by sniping in tama. Did you know it's possible to bomb WTZ and 15km at the same time ?** Did you know a mothership is so large that with 9km smartbombs they can hit almost anything that decloaks on a gate. (of course depends on what racial gate it is) minmatar ftl =( Your just another smacktard in a SNOWY thread, gratz. One way of putting it, but at the end of the day your the one smartbombing noobs in low-sec. _________________________________________
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 11:31:00 - [49] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 11:36:03 Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 11:28:11 Originally by: Zaethiel Did you know that a faction bomber would be much more effective than a t1 bomber for WTZ bombing ? You really should re-read this question. Quite Obviously yes; duh. Doubt anyone would say no to this one. Did you know that the extended range would help with WTZ bombing ? Why wouldnt it? Did you know if it's possible to pop a cruiser or hauler with a single bomber ship ? Cant pop any decent cruisers or haulers but you can easily pop all the noobs. Did you know the isk investment would be worthwhile ? Its your opinion that its worthwhile. It'd be my opinion that smartbombing little things would be a waste of time unless you want to killmail ***; of which i did enough of personally by sniping in tama. Did you know it's possible to bomb WTZ and 15km at the same time ?** Did you know a mothership is so large that with 9km smartbombs they can hit almost anything that decloaks on a gate. (of course depends on what racial gate it is) minmatar ftl =( Your just another smacktard in a SNOWY thread, gratz. One way of putting it, but at the end of the day your the one smartbombing noobs in low-sec. Ahahaha, this is a thread about smartbombing EVERYONE in low sec. I don't give a dam if they are 1 day old of 3 years. I certainly don't check before hitting the F keys. People just get this idea that you must only kill a worthy opponent. You can play that style if you wish, I never will. When SNOWY camp a gate we try to shut it down. That means everyone coming in and leaving we want to kill. Bombing is a essential part of the lock down... and the smaller ships often carry the nicest stuff Here is a example of a 'worthy' victim - I had a long convo last night with some poor soul who lost his cheetah and pod on WTZ. His exact words were 'I thought I was immune in low sec' Ermmm no m8, and thanks for the cloak :-)
NotNowKato Mitsukashi Holdings Limited Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:03:00 - [50] Originally by: tiller [ ....I didn't hence my experiments. I'm not the first, I'm not the best (though being the 2nd best PVPer in eve helps :-) ahaha ahaha ahahaha you are kidding right ?
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:12:00 - [51] sigh people just cant stop themselvs bragging\smacking, spits keep them corpses comin tiller man. --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:23:00 - [52] If your lucky enough small ships do drop good loot sometimes. I never said anything about fair fights, but since you brought it up; pirating is mostly ganking victims that have little or no chance to fight back. Every now and then someone will bring some force to table and most of the time we will take the fight for hte heck of it personally. Since i started pirating ive been involved in numerous decent gang v gang action. Win some lose some its all fun. You all may dock when a 20 man gang comes into local, but if theres the slightest chance we can win; we will win. Those types of fights make up some of the funnest times i've ever had in Eve. Gate camping is great and all, i gate camp a lot, but roaming gets you kills with isk and take some skill. Most of the time they have no chance of winning the fight but every now and then a target will hit you with a curve ball and will force you to run or die. As for smartbombing. Its great for taking out every little thing. Problem is if you take out the smart persons scout they are unlikely to warp their freighter in As for making a thread about using faction smartbombs over tech 1; who really cares. Obviously faction are better. Officer are even better than that. The post was just a pointless cry for attention. I felt generous today and needed something to do in between gate targets, so i felt id entertain. _________________________________________
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Zaethiel As for making a thread about using faction smartbombs over tech 1; who really cares. Obviously faction are better. The point was wether it was worth the investment.. they turned out to be everything I hoped so thought I'd share the experience and what can be expected from them. For someone who proclaims they don't care you post alot in my thread. When I don't care about something I don't generally devote any time to the subject.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:18:00 - [54] Edited by: Zaethiel on 23/02/2007 13:17:05 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Zaethiel As for making a thread about using faction smartbombs over tech 1; who really cares. Obviously faction are better. The point was wether it was worth the investment.. they turned out to be everything I hoped so thought I'd share the experience and what can be expected from them. For someone who proclaims they don't care you post alot in my thread. When I don't care about something I don't generally devote any time to the subject. Originally by: Zaethiel i felt id entertain. Read my entire post before responding with a statement attacking my reasoning. _________________________________________
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:29:00 - [55] Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 13:35:18 Originally by: Zaethiel Read my entire post before responding with a statement attacking my reasoning. Your posts are the odd chunk of good reasoning split up with random flames. The negative however fuels my fire more than anything worthy you have contributed and as such all I'll reply to. The continued hate for SNOWY corp and anything we do within eve and here on the forums just further cements our place at the top of the piracy food chain. Hate is the best measure of your pirate sucess and e-peen length. Well, gotta log into game now, gonna dream up some new evil plan for carebear genocide with Ginger. o/
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 14:09:00 - [56] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 23/02/2007 14:03:18 Originally by: Zaethiel Read my entire post before responding with a statement attacking my reasoning. Your posts are the odd chunk of good reasoning split up with random flames. The negative however fuels my fire more than anything worthy you have contributed and as such all I'll reply to. The continued hate for SNOWY corp and anything we do within eve and here on the forums just further cements our place at the top of the piracy food chain. I put you in the catagory as ROMEO. _________________________________________
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.02.23 15:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Zaethiel My post was just a pointless cry for attention. Fixed!
Halod Crane Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.23 18:25:00 - [58] Edited by: Halod Crane on 23/02/2007 18:22:02 Tiller, I appreciate your posting about bombing WTZ, having never tried it myself I found it helpfull and a 'proof of concept' if you will for trying it myself. I'm sure other people have done it before you, but as far as I can tell they weren't nice enough to post about how to do it well. Ignore the guys who seem to think the only thing worth posting on the boards is a flame. For the record, I've never met tiller nor played with him, I am not a fanboy I just think people posting pointless flames are the George Bushs of the internet forum. Regardless of wether or not the information is obvious, it's still information that is helpfull to some. Go DIAF, flamers. Bastage Inc. We do it for the hate mail.
shadow saber Golden Fury Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 22:45:00 - [59] pmsl tiller can u ever say anything without being smacked and flamed bout it u make my day lol might come fly with u again if i can be assed to get a decent comp lol c ya dude
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.02.23 22:54:00 - [60] Originally by: shadow saber pmsl tiller can u ever say anything without being smacked and flamed bout it u make my day lol might come fly with u again if i can be assed to get a decent comp lol c ya dude The above is called a "stream of consciousness". Typically, you translate it into language before writing it, but it still serves its purpose. Crane is right. And being compared to R0MEO is something beyond what tiller's doing. Far beyond. </random input> --------- Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Quote: Whats a gatecamp? Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.23 22:55:00 - [61] Tiller- These guys are just jealous/mad that you're killing people effectively. Haulers and noobs are sometimes more fun to kill than the vets because they get that much more irritated and indignant that you blew up their ship. LOOOVE the hatemail. Keep killing those bastards. Everyone is having a stupid contest, and you're in first place!
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.02.24 19:28:00 - [62] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:44:39 Well, my bombing rokh has 8 bombs, 5 stabs and a MWD. Ohh, and it can pretty much perma tank sentrys :-) Main advantage is it don't cost 25bill isk ;-) 5 stabs... dear lord you sure fitt well in OctoberSnow. Oh, and you can perma tank sentrys because they are switching fire between 8 or 9 ships that usually compose your camps.
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.24 19:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Johncrab Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 22/02/2007 09:44:39 Well, my bombing rokh has 8 bombs, 5 stabs and a MWD. Ohh, and it can pretty much perma tank sentrys :-) Main advantage is it don't cost 25bill isk ;-) 5 stabs... dear lord you sure fitt well in OctoberSnow. Oh, and you can perma tank sentrys because they are switching fire between 8 or 9 ships that usually compose your camps. Give me one good reason why not to fit stabs on a smartie ship ? I can tank the guns well as I have good skills and crystals / rigs :-)
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.02.24 19:59:00 - [64] Edited by: Johncrab on 24/02/2007 20:02:53 Originally by: tiller Give me one good reason why not to fit stabs on a smartie ship ? I can tank the guns well as I have good skills and crystals / rigs :-) Because they suck. But i do get it, you're a pratical pirate, you do what you have to do to get the kill and fly home safe. Still, stabs suck big time. Smartbombs eat cap like crazy... can't see you having cap to activate 8 bombs in auto-fire and shiled tank at the same time constant sentry fire. But hey, if you say you can... I don't have bs caldari skills to test it out. Edit: You only fire the bombs once and while as you can see the ships coming out of warp. So no need to have the smartbombs in constant fire. Forget about the cap issue then. Still, stabs suck
Lobster Man e X i l e Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.02.24 20:11:00 - [65] What system is this exactly? "WTZ" yields no results
Hauler McTote	Posted - 2007.02.25 00:45:00 - [66] Quote: playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Didnt you boast about logofski a while ago? Whatever.
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.25 08:03:00 - [67] Originally by: Hauler McTote Quote: playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Didnt you boast about logofski a while ago? Whatever. nope ..in another thread I said I logged my dread just before it exploded to save pod.
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.25 09:53:00 - [68] I have a Kiakka's smartbomb in empire to sell off, convo or mail me if you are interested.
BobGhengisKhan Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.25 09:53:00 - [69] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 25/02/2007 09:51:07 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Dark Shikari Aww, tiller is trying to copy Heikki Good luck, but you probably cannot approach the legendary ownage that the original smartbomber dished out He did a good job and was one of best stories I've read about in eve... This tactic however is to deal with something new, called... WTZ. You may of heard of it. ;-) Yet, I'm sure you've never heard of insta-bookmarks. I mean come on, who would ever have thought of such an intuitive idea. Quote: They did well then and had alot of patience. I die too much and take too many risks to make good isk tbh... playing safe is very VERY dull and not something I'm ever gonna do. Quote: nope ..in another thread I said I logged my dread just before it exploded to save pod.

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