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cilayin
Aperture Science Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.05.07 20:20:17 -
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Hello all,
This is going to be a little bit of a salt fest I suppose. So anyone with High Blood Pressure should GTFO. Kidding :P
I am posting this in hopes that it might help with some thought as to new player experience, and the issues I have seen with EVE over the past.. 9 years or so that I've played it (Granted, it hasn't been 9 years straight, it's always on and off).
EVE can be a great game with countless hours of enjoyment.. But it can also be a giant waste of money and time in more ways than one. Especially when it comes with returning players. There's a lot of issues I've had with how the player experience is within EVE, and I think how CCP manages that. But I probably won't get into that because this is going to be a giant wall of text that probably no one will read anyway as is.
As someone who's done at least a little bit of everything in the game, I just simply don't care for it [the game] anymore as a whole. There's a lot of things in EVE that I want to do as a player, however the game itself, how it is designed keeps me from doing so. Which, is honestly kind of disappointing because I love the universe, the ships and just about everything there is about it.
That said, the game (imo) has changed... Very little. Granted, I'm not expecting there to be an expansion that all of a sudden, you can now play Dust 514, and Valkyrie all in EVE! AND... You can also go seamlessly from being on the planet surface raising livestock to Space Combat and omg DD's everywhere.
I've spent many years dealing with new players.. and their issues with the game. A lot of the same stuff has come up, over and over again, and surprisingly enough... Most people I know that stopped playing EVE... Did not stop because of that infamous EVE Difficulty graph. Most people, at least that I know... Don't have an issue with the "difficulty" of EVE. As it is the experience and gameplay presented at start.
First of all, EVE online is a terrible solo experience. It's in all honesty, probably one of the worst I've ever seen in an MMO (No offense, I <3 eve. Don't ban me. xoxoxoxox). That terrible experience, is what most people experience on their first playthrough and causes them to stop.
If you have no friends, or no one to play EVE with, it's normally just very, very bad. I'm not saying there should be some amazing equivalent of a single player campaign. But for most people it's abysmal.
Then the expansions every year, while they do offer new and pretty decent content. Usually MOST of the content CCP provides for EVE is not something every player see's or experiences. Now, I'm not saying there should be an equivalent of an "LFR" option for EVE that everyone should see the content. Hey, it's cool if the top 1% have something ultra special, whatever. That's great and I think that can be a very good ... Carrot on the stick sort of approach. But, most things content wise are related to null and low sec experiences.
I've known many players who basically experience NONE of the new content provided in expansions, year after year after year. They're effectively playing the same game as it was ... 3.. 4.. 5+ years ago. Now, you can say, well that's their fault. They should go out and do X thing with Y people and get Z result. However, it's not always that simple. I've known MANY people over the years that WANTED that new content, but could never experience it. The means to get to that end, is not a great path. Although to be honest, that's usually because of how awful a lot of EVE players can be (No offense, but it's true).
EVE imo is pretty good at keeping it's current playerbase for the most part but, not really a shocker here but they really struggle with new, and returning players. I've tried getting some people I know to go back to playing the game, even buying them game time at times. But then everyone remembers the pain of logging in and having to deal with... EVE.
An issue I've seen a lot of that causes a lot of heartache in EVE is the fact that from the start, some VERY important things aren't clear... And often are misinterpreted.
A lot of which is thrown off by CCP themselves, with how they portray the game... And there's a lot of unknowns and things that you just will not get your head around till you've spent a lot of time/money in the game.
I've known plenty of people who spent months trying to get a certain ship, only to find out.. That ship was not what they expected, and they were extremely disappointed and wound up leaving the game due to it. It's depressing to work for a carrier for many months, then to finally get it and realize.. Oh, you can't actually really use it unless you have other people or accounts to play with. There's a lot of aspects in the game that are awesome, however... They (Honestly) are not executed well imo.
Which, most people will say "Well, you shouldn't just be going for a carrier right from the start anyway." But as a new player... It's just one of those things, you see carriers in the trailers. You think, oh man that looks fun. You get in the game, train for it.. You finally get it and then you're like.. Well, all that I spent was literally just wasted. Not a great experience of course.
A lot of things in EVE really just are not designed that well for a solo player. Now, I'm not saying every player should be able to own their own Citadel. Or everyone should have an Erebus in high sec. But, there's the disappointment people get when they realize, they can't do what they thought they could, or what they want to do. This is a hard limitation of the core game design, and unlikely to ever change... is still an issue that I've seen from players time and time again.
*shrug* My .02 and hopefully this might help someone in the future. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5179
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Posted - 2016.05.07 20:38:27 -
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TL;DR version: EVE is awesome if played in certain ways and godawful if played in certain others.
Corolary: there are no good reasons for that, it is just how it was made. Also there is no intent to ever improve the godawful parts since there's always awesome content to improve first.
Conclussion: don't play EVE if you feel it is godawful when played your way. CCP is not going to fix it never. Tough luck for the time an money you wasted to reach that conclussion.
But then, maybe you think EVE could have lasted 13 years without millions of deluded suckers...? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
10098
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Posted - 2016.05.07 20:47:03 -
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I play EVE mainly because solo player can do a lot here. In other games you have some bound stuff, timed raids, and other crippling stuff like FTP catering to bunch of whales and giving the rest finger. And if you are really bored, maybe its time to talk to other people? Explore new possibilities? Its not so hard as it could be imagined.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2016.05.07 20:59:03 -
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I agree with OP on some stuff but EVE is like RL in that you must carve your own little space, your own little sphere of enjoyment. I watch from a distance as the expansions roll across the universe but for me it's mostly just noticing the little differences in the GUI; icons change, animations occur and things like the $%^&* TV in the hangars happen. I do mining (aggressively, no grind), salvaging, ratting, manufacturing and just now getting into Planetary Interaction. I don't worry about ISK per hour, my miners sell to my manufacturer unless she's broke and sometime I take miners with escorts into lo/nul-sec, not because you can make more money but because it's lot's of fun. Three years in, I still like it, yes, it can be a pain but so can RL. Something you just got to live with.
Designated Rep for 7 characters, two corps and one doofus multi-boxer.
Pathetic at PvP but handy with a spreadsheet; lost a bunch of ships but not one spreadsheet.
Credo: You don't WIN in this game; you SURVIVE in this game.
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
178
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Posted - 2016.05.07 21:11:28 -
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"You can also go seamlessly from being on the planet surface raising livestock to Space Combat " - that's where I stopped reading.
Well...bye OP
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Scruffled
South Lords
17
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Posted - 2016.05.07 21:19:12 -
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This thread after 15 seconds.... Disappointing. |
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
56
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Posted - 2016.05.07 21:41:22 -
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This basically reads, "Why isn't there a solo path? Why isn't **** spoon fed to me and my people? Why do people have to work to get something new released?"
Because EVE is a social game. You have to work with others and you have to work to achieve these things that come out new. It's only the fault of the person who refuses to go for it that they don't get the prize. Not each facet of EVE is for everyone. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11956
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:02:57 -
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My spectacles and I would like your 9 year-old vintage SP, please.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
4205
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:05:08 -
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cilayin wrote:I tried to play EVE solo as a themepark MMO and it wasn't good
Yes. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
Black Marker
221
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:06:39 -
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Bumblefck wrote:My spectacles and I would like your 9 year-old vintage SP, please.
These goggles look so weird. I giggled.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
352
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:21:07 -
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lets not forget the years of expansions that were nothing but fixes
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5179
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:50:29 -
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Agondray wrote:lets not forget the years of expansions that were nothing but fixes
...fixes of stuff that shouldn't have been released broken to begin with...  |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
731
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Posted - 2016.05.07 22:53:31 -
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The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5180
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Posted - 2016.05.07 23:27:19 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors.
Well, to put it somehow... if I had the social skills required to fully enjoy EVE, I would be using them IRL, not in some stupid MMO. 
Over the years I've come more or less used to being reminded constantly what kind of social misfit I am, and instead of blaming myself for not fitting into EVE-the-awesone-social-game I've come to blame CCP for not making the game more suit to solitary misfits with the kind of time and pasion required to live EVE instead of enjoying their (our?) real life.  |
Digits Kho
Infinity Engine
Sleeping Dragons
80
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Posted - 2016.05.08 00:19:09 -
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Eve is pain. Space pain. When you are enjoying the game then someone else is in agony . |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
169
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Posted - 2016.05.08 00:50:41 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:...there are no good reasons for that, it is just how it was made.... lol...how it was made. Priceless. I don't think millions of anyones have looked at this game, much less downloaded it. Oops. I said game. Maybe that's a problem. It's not a game. You bring the game. It's more a facility.
Yeah, that's the ticket. It's like a basketball gym with the balls provided (bastetballs, not cahoneys). You bring the game if you "got game". When I started roundball I couldn't hit the goal with the ball. I was five. It was quite apparent that game would take a few years just to be able to play it, and another few to start getting good at it.
EVE has always struck me like that. In the end as with basketball, there's a lot more people watching the game than can play it. Maybe if CCP fails at something, it fails at being honest about that. This is something you learn to do. You become an EVE player. You don't just download the game and hey presto, you're an EVE player.
just sayin.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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violator2k5
Crescent Nova
18
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Posted - 2016.05.08 00:55:28 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Over the years I've come more or less used to being reminded constantly what kind of social misfit I am, and instead of blaming myself for not fitting into EVE-the-awesone-social-game I've come to blame CCP for not making the game more suit to solitary misfits with the kind of time and pasion required to live EVE instead of enjoying their (our?) real life.
theres nothing wrong with being a social misfit even in this game, wouldnt you say that a lot of people in this game or any other game are anyway? why else would they be spending time on a game instead of being outside enjoying the sun, the eye candy, chilling with the opposite sex and or same sex if you're into that. I feel sorry especially for those who have partners who walk around butt naked trying to get them off of the game to have a little fun and they ignore them due to playing a game.
I'm also a social misfit and i care not what others think only of what i think myself. Eve in general is supposed to be a mmo where you play with others, however you are not forced to. you can play the game however you want and have a lot more freedom to do things here compared to any other mmo. The amount of solo play in this game is limited I agree but even then there is still enough to enjoy the game just not to the fullest like many of the others are doing. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
169
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Posted - 2016.05.08 01:29:48 -
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OMG. This game is tailor made for social misfits. This is where social misfits go to ... socialize.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
148
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Posted - 2016.05.08 02:19:18 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors.
TLDR: Catharsis is painful, and EVE is a cathartic experience? You can sure solo things, but if you ain't no genius, or prodigy, don't expect the world if you aren't willing to work your butt off for it. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
321
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Posted - 2016.05.08 07:10:20 -
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I agree on quite many points with OP. Specially glorified learning cliff excuse that makes new players leave. I have lost all friends I used to fly with, eleven of them and none left because EVE was hard. They left because it was boring. I personally hate EVE Online for not bring the big potential it could be. Driving narrow straight road with maximum tunnel vision. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2445
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Posted - 2016.05.08 07:37:45 -
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Responding to your solo part ... IMO EvE is a great game for solo players, BUT you need to make your own game and fun and interact with other players. Just waiting for content coming to you does not work in New Eden, which is probably the main reason a lot of players quit.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5182
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Posted - 2016.05.08 09:25:18 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:...there are no good reasons for that, it is just how it was made.... lol...how it was made. Priceless. I don't think millions of anyones have looked at this game, much less downloaded it. Oops. I said game. Maybe that's a problem. It's not a game. You bring the game. It's more a facility. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's like a basketball gym with the balls provided (bastetballs, not cahoneys). You bring the game if you "got game". When I started roundball I couldn't hit the goal with the ball. I was five. It was quite apparent that game would take a few years just to be able to play it, and another few to start getting good at it. EVE has always struck me like that. In the end as with basketball, there's a lot more people watching the game than can play it. Maybe if CCP fails at something, it fails at being honest about that. This is something you learn to do. You become an EVE player. You don't just download the game and hey presto, you're an EVE player. just sayin.
In a sandbox, the only sand is the one that the creator puts in. So yes, EVE's sandbox was made in a certain way and that way limits what you can do in the sandbox.
Using your analogy, you can't play chess with a basketball court no matter how hard you try to bring your game with you. The reason why there are no boards and piece sets for chess it's because somebody made it that way. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5182
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Posted - 2016.05.08 09:42:42 -
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violator2k5 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Over the years I've come more or less used to being reminded constantly what kind of social misfit I am, and instead of blaming myself for not fitting into EVE-the-awesone-social-game I've come to blame CCP for not making the game more suit to solitary misfits with the kind of time and pasion required to live EVE instead of enjoying their (our?) real life. theres nothing wrong with being a social misfit even in this game, wouldnt you say that a lot of people in this game or any other game are anyway? why else would they be spending time on a game instead of being outside enjoying the sun, the eye candy, chilling with the opposite sex and or same sex if you're into that. I feel sorry especially for those who have partners who walk around butt naked trying to get them off of the game to have a little fun and they ignore them due to playing a game. I'm also a social misfit and i care not what others think only of what i think myself. Eve in general is supposed to be a mmo where you play with others, however you are not forced to. you can play the game however you want and have a lot more freedom to do things here compared to any other mmo. The amount of solo play in this game is limited I agree but even then there is still enough to enjoy the game just not to the fullest like many of the others are doing.
As a social misfit, sooner or later you'll hit a glass ceiling made of "you should have friends and rejoice griefing and being griefed". How much will hurt to hit that ceiling depends on your speed at the moment of impact, and how many times you think that you have a chance to bypass the ceiling and find some other niche, just to crash against a different section of the ceiling.
Socal misfits are bound to fail and suffer in EVE. This is how the game was made, it's nothing personal that CCP haves against the millions of suckers who paid, and pay, and will pay in the future, to be griefed one way or another by people who are better socially skilled and rejoice inflicting suffer on other human beings.
"Wreck their dreams", as succintly states the current slogan. Or "EVE is a griefing sandbox", as Ripard Teg put it*.
*http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.es/2014/05/cotw-sandbox.html wrote:(...)
Small-gang PvPers grief solo PvPers.
Big-gang PvPers grief small-gang PvPers.
PvP corps grief industrial and mission corps.
Big alliances grief small alliances.
Big coalitions grief big alliances.
Smart-ass forum posters grief serious forum posters.
Big "media sites" grief little "media sites".
Gankers grief solo players.
Big miners grief little miners.
Smart industrialists grief dumb industrialists.
Rich station traders grief poor station traders.
Bullies grief newbies and other ignorant players.
Scammers grief absolutely everybody.
And on and on and on and on and on, throughout any aspect of the game you care to name. EVE Online is a griefing sandbox. It's all PvP if you care to look at it that way. It's the only shared experience that every single one of us have. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
14073
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Posted - 2016.05.08 09:49:39 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Sustrai Aditua wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:...there are no good reasons for that, it is just how it was made.... lol...how it was made. Priceless. I don't think millions of anyones have looked at this game, much less downloaded it. Oops. I said game. Maybe that's a problem. It's not a game. You bring the game. It's more a facility. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's like a basketball gym with the balls provided (bastetballs, not cahoneys). You bring the game if you "got game". When I started roundball I couldn't hit the goal with the ball. I was five. It was quite apparent that game would take a few years just to be able to play it, and another few to start getting good at it. EVE has always struck me like that. In the end as with basketball, there's a lot more people watching the game than can play it. Maybe if CCP fails at something, it fails at being honest about that. This is something you learn to do. You become an EVE player. You don't just download the game and hey presto, you're an EVE player. just sayin. In a sandbox, the only sand is the one that the creator puts in. So yes, EVE's sandbox was made in a certain way and that way limits what you can do in the sandbox. Using your analogy, you can't play chess with a basketball court no matter how hard you try to bring your game with you. The reason why there are no boards and piece sets for chess it's because somebody made it that way.
That just means its blindingly dump to expect a chess game on a basketball court.
But that's what many of you do, then you look at CCP as if they did something wrong. They didn't, the real problem is your unrealistic expectations. You are the source of your own eternal unhappiness.
What's irritating is how people like you see those of us who are happily playing basketball on a damn basketball court (instead of whining about chess) as somehow "deranged". |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
443
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Posted - 2016.05.08 11:04:26 -
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cilayin wrote:
I'm not expecting there to be an expansion that all of a sudden, you can now play Dust 514, and Valkyrie all in EVE! AND... You can also go seamlessly from being on the planet surface raising livestock to Space Combat and omg DD's everywhere.
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oh but you are and sound pretty salty that it hasn't happened 
cilayin wrote:
There's a lot of things in EVE that I want to do as a player, however the game itself, how it is designed keeps me from doing so.
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so wrong, nothing but the restrictions you've placed on yourself are at fault.
honestly sounds to me like you seem to be hung up on EVE not being a single player game that drip feeds you reinforcements that lead you to being the hero and saving the galaxy.
a better question you could have rasied is why do people come to a mmorpg and expect single player content?
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Romana Tash-Keram
Children of Gaea
0
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Posted - 2016.05.08 11:34:17 -
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Oh!
And now, do this mean that we're all psychotics, paranoids, social misfits who are in need of a therapy? 
And EVE is our therapy
I Love that kind of therapy room
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The Golden Serpent
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:38:42 -
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You can raise livestock in Eve, just train PI, load a planet, open Facebook, load Farmville, when you're done go back into Eve. Oh and make sure it's an Oceanic or Temperate planet so you can raise genetic mutant cattle for immersion.
That's what I do all day every day |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
733
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Posted - 2016.05.08 16:24:59 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors. Well, to put it somehow... if I had the social skills required to fully enjoy EVE, I would be using them IRL, not in some stupid MMO. Over the years I've come more or less used to being reminded constantly what kind of social misfit I am, and instead of blaming myself for not fitting into EVE-the-awesone-social-game I've come to blame CCP for not making the game more suit to solitary misfits with the kind of time and pasion required to live EVE instead of enjoying their (our?) real life.
Actually a lot of functioning social misfits DO have a vibrant and varied life outside in the real world. Others simply choose to not do so which is looked down upon in the real world but is very much a choice one can make and live happily with these days.
I would look at it as this game might be a good way to help you learn better social skills if you wish. Remember any and all human interaction is a result of social skills being put into effect and carry the same risk/reward as if it was face to face and in the real world. Sure some would say the repercussions arent there online, aka you can turn off the computer, but you can also walk away in real life too. It might be harder but never impossible to "shut down". 
But to blame anyone or anything else for short comings in ones own life that one can see themselves is, Im sorry, terribly silly in every respect. Now learning how to fix such an issue for oneself is often a lot harder than it might seem and has about the Eve noob learning curve attached to it as well. In that respect life is the most original procedurally generated, infinite sandbox with some really interesting and unique "AI" in other people. Life, like Eve, is what you make it for yourself. Solo or in a group. You choose your "race", you choose your player "cultural tastes", you choose what you "do" in game. You can build or destroy and everything inbetween. Everything is up to you and you alone. It is the truest definition of freedom and true freedom is a daunting task once one realizes just how open and lonely it can be upon this landscape.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
733
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Posted - 2016.05.08 16:36:31 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors. TLDR: Catharsis is painful, and EVE is a cathartic experience? You can sure solo things, but if you ain't no genius, or prodigy, don't expect the world if you aren't willing to work your butt off for it.
Yup, Eve like life is work. Effort doesnt equate to success nor do brains or brawn equal winning all the time. Its a strange environment but having brains, brawn and a lil balls to take some risks just might pay off.
The reality is that anytime you get a group of people together you get the same relative relational interaction as you do in real life. At first its very theme parked, like in kindergarten, but as the restrictions are lifted you see all sorts of new and interesting interactions and group dynamic changes happening all over the place. What CCP calls "emergent gameplay" is the summation of this reality upon the gaming world of Eve. Yet people are people are people, so in many ways you will always get the same sort of patterns emerging which is a truly interesting phenomena all on its own. There will always be a direct correlation in all social groups, from dyads to the collective human totality, and Eve is no exception there. And to control, manipulate or interact on any level will always create some sort of need to apply effort. This is where the risk vs reward ideology really comes into play. Some CCP controls directly at capping dps or isk/hr in different fields and in others they simply tweak with nerfs or buffs as they see fit to continue the gameplay without unbalancing the whole system entirely.
And for me to sit and watch and interact has been a truly interesting and uniquely exhilarating experience for the past 13 years. Whos a good chimp?!?!!? Aww thats a good chimp!!
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Cartridgexxxx
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
9
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:28:38 -
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i had many fun hours playing solo in lowsec. o/ |
Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
180
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:41:12 -
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Romana Tash-Keram wrote:Oh! And now, do this mean that we're all psychotics, paranoids, social misfits who are in need of a therapy?
Well...in large part, yes. :)
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
The Wraithguard.
288
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Posted - 2016.05.09 07:29:35 -
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Romana Tash-Keram wrote:Oh! And now, do this mean that we're all psychotics, paranoids, social misfits who are in need of a therapy?
Yes.
But fear not.
I offer therapy sessions for 880 mil per 4 hours. |
Sunset Airguitar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.05.09 09:23:52 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:II have lost all friends I used to fly with, eleven of them and none left because EVE was hard. They left because it was boring.
That is actually what separates EVE Online from other MMOs. With other games it is the developer's responsibility to make the game less boring; with EVE, it's mostly the player's responsibility to make the game less boring.
In fact, if there is anything that newbies should take away from the New Player Experience, it is this: It is up to you to make the game less boring.
Which, to be fair, ain't the greatest tagline.
Below The 80s
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
323
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Posted - 2016.05.09 12:03:02 -
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Sunset Airguitar wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:II have lost all friends I used to fly with, eleven of them and none left because EVE was hard. They left because it was boring. That is actually what separates EVE Online from other MMOs. With other games it is the developer's responsibility to make the game less boring; with EVE, it's mostly the player's responsibility to make the game less boring. In fact, if there is anything that newbies should take away from the New Player Experience, it is this: It is up to you to make the game less boring.Which, to be fair, ain't the greatest tagline.
I understand your point of view. There lie small problem though. Eventually, no matter how creative player you are. You will run out of content to make in area you enjoy EVE most. Knowing that no matter how much you wait. The game will not change for you, ever. All you are left with is the dream.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1726
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Posted - 2016.05.09 17:27:36 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:I understand your point of view. There lie small problem though. Eventually, no matter how creative player you are. You will run out of content to make in area you enjoy EVE most. Knowing that no matter how much you wait. The game will not change for you, ever. All you are left with is the dream.
Kind of my debacle as well. I managed to actually complete my objectives in Eve. I'm done. There are no remaining objectives in which I, as a person, have any further interest. I'm simply put, no longer willing to put in as much effort as I used to to progress, mainly because there is nothing left to progress towards that isn't completely redundant by now, or riddled with problems that somehow come down to: I have a job and a social life and I can't be arsed with demanding video games. I stepped down as CEO due to a lack of motivation to do this mountain of work for a slight increase in epeen. However, I still admire the interconnectivity of systems within Eve and how social it is, and thoroughly enjoy it's lore and setting although I'm no expert on the matter. It remains the best MMO I ever played... it's the sole MMO I played for more then a few weeks and the only video game I played for more then 3+ years. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1551
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Posted - 2016.05.09 18:00:58 -
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To the OP, go and jump in a carrier, my god it rocks, even this player who was jaded and upset with CCP over the Medium Citadels having no market has had a great big smile put back on my face by the awesome changes to carriers. You need to try it, its that good.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
83
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Posted - 2016.05.09 19:53:54 -
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People should stop being so defensive about suggestions for changes in EVE. Clearly there's room for two worlds in EVE, one that appeals to the current niche crowd, and one that the average guy can get involved with. Both player types can even coexist and benefit from having the other type in their game. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
187
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Posted - 2016.05.10 02:56:38 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In a sandbox, the only sand is the one that the creator puts in. So yes, EVE's sandbox was made in a certain way and that way limits what you can do in the sandbox. Ahz jus' yankin' yer chain. RAWR!
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Drake Valteric
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.05.10 12:30:11 -
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I agree with a ton of your points. A solo player beginning to join and experience Eve early on can easily be lost in the train of thought that the player-to-player experience is nonexistent. And in many ways, it's on the player to have to move outside their comfort zone and commit to a corporation's schedule in order to find friends or comrades to fly around with and enjoy the game.
Overall though, I still find my early-game experience to still remain to be enjoyable, just a few gray areas to pass through first. My own opinion though, Eve is the game it is due to the drive and community in the path it's been going. And being new, I don't see that much of a reason to change it. Speedbumps in the road, that is all. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1136
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Posted - 2016.05.10 13:27:22 -
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eve is eve, what are you trying to say, OP?
If Eve isnt for you, you woundnt play it.
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Jovian Death
Jovian Vengeance
Archetype.
24
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Posted - 2016.05.10 13:42:55 -
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The Sandbox is a virtual world where you as a player create your own content.
Having played EvE for many years on many chars I think the most time ive been away is about 3-4 months max.
I enjoy the content it provides and all the updates and patches. There are still many things I haven't tried in EvE and there is still so much for me to learn.
When I first started I read up a lot on what to expect and what path I would like to choose. I have been on many paths with many friends and I have also spent a lot of time on my own just flying through space doing my own thing.
Ive seen a lot of chars go there own separate way and leave EvE or try something different. I find each day refreshing on what I can do. Yes I have had days when im bored and thing hmm is this is all its cracked up to be but then I change and try something else. When im bored of that I go back to doing what im good at.
Im not criticizing the OP but I think you either have had enough or your should try something new. CCP gave us this box and we have created pretty much 90% of what happens.
CCP deserve a huge round of applause for making this game what it is and each and every player that has come and gone needs a big clap too. Except that creepy guy who keeps mailing me about my char the freak  |
Ma'am
Search and Deploy
3
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Posted - 2016.05.10 14:01:17 -
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As a Solo Pvp'er and EvE enthusiast, I, in my opinion disagree is OP argument (If there was one).
Firstly, you can play solo. Sure I may never run my own hub or take space but I can and will certainly play my part in shaping it, the "butterfly effect" comes to mind.
We are merely ants partaking in fest pool of social activity, what you achieve with in that time is only limited to what you are socially capable of.
Secondly, the OP was a lot about nothing. Most people give up reading after the first paragraph since there was no constructive criticism. Don't like something? Then don't just say, give a solution. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
174
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Posted - 2016.05.10 19:00:41 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The real reason most people dont like it is.... Its WAY too much like real life. Thats it. Nothing else. You have to figure things out and deal with people you like, dont like, tolerate, and do things on your own just like life. Most people dont want a real world simulator set in space. As real life sucks solo too. Its hard and most people dont do hard at all. They want a "game" to escape real life. Mostly cuz theyre real lives suck. For some this allows them to vent their frustrations by shooting miners and harvesting tears, for others its space mafia online and for still others its building a lil empire for themselves somewhere in the stars.
And CCP does nothing BUT force people to interact, most often explosively with cannon fire and pew pew lazors.
This.
Playing EVE activly often feels like having a 2nd life with a very boring job (ISK grinding). I have several active EVE accounts, but i spend most of my gaming time with other games because after working / studying im often too exhausted for Excel Online.
I would love features like the dojo ... fun stuff that you can do without hours of preparation and waiting time. But if you suggest features like this most EVE players are like "ERMAGERD IT BREAKS SANDBOX. ITS NOT TEDIOUS, SO IT WOULDNT FIT INTO EVE" |
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
83
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Posted - 2016.05.10 19:27:43 -
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Well, what's stopping CCP from creating a few sandcastles for players to knock over when they enter the game. |
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