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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:07:00 -
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If you are not making billions from plexes (not missions) in Fw your doing it wrong! Do an eve search and we have to thank Pervs for telling us how to do this!
Jumps in for a sniper! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
32
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:09:00 -
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I like where FW is headed atm.
The plexes are getting round the clock attention, somthing of a novelty to the late US TZ, promptly provoking fights of all sizes in all classes - this is definitly a good thing.
Slowly the nessessity of having a good FC and fearing a bad, but large fight are disapating and the smaller pvp gangs picking up as well as the larger stuff. More gangs out willing to take more fights FC be damned.
FW lacked enthusiasum for a while but i think that, morale and more good fights is making things better by the day.
I cant comment directly on caldari fw of course, this is what ive obversed from amarr/minnie.
Long may it continue, and to those at ccp that might read somthing from time to time, a little is nice but more is better - dont think you are done just yet. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:53:00 -
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I just took a look on our killboard, and it seems that we're having more small engagements than big ones. I had to go back to the 2nd page on our KB to see a kill with over 10 people on it. Even then, it was only 12. I'm not seeing all that many 'big fleet' engagments in my late US TZ. Even when it's east coast prime time, there's not all that many big fleets for us Qcats. Heck, I had to go all the way back to page 6 to find a fight over 20!!! And that's just a couple of us Qcats on a roam with another FW corp!
Maybe for us it's a lack of 'Veteran' FC Ammon Dei, but I'd say that it's allowed us as a corp to get better at our own personal PVP skills and not just listen to the FC give commands. I know it's helped me.
Either way, spread out constant plexes everywhere allows the more active militias to take more space. It also seems to keep fleets smaller! I likes!
*how did this get turned into something other than Cal Mil sux?* |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
34
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Posted - 2011.12.28 23:36:00 -
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I don't know but this thread needs to die and new ones need to spring up in its place. You all couldn't stay on topic if it had a big pair of **** that had "touch me" tattooed on them. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
32
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Posted - 2011.12.29 00:09:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:I don't know but this thread needs to die and new ones need to spring up in its place. You all couldn't stay on topic if it had a big pair of **** that had "touch me" tattooed on them.
excellent contribution.
thanks for posting. |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
34
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:03:00 -
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It's just as much a contribution as anything in this thread. This is a thread about Caldari militia and you're posting about plexing in Amarr space and why you think it's the greatest thing since pie. Hardly relevant to what the thread's chosen topic is. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
77
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:59:00 -
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I like pie.
Also, need new threads to spring up in this ones place? Shall all the caldari corps wardec eachother? I'm sure well have two pages of drama in no time But that would be so 2010... |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:17:00 -
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Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I am CEO of a small corp. Few new, few old players. Seen and done most things.
Faction War seemed like a good way to pvp without growing larger and heading into 0.0 or dealing with the politics of other corps or joining an alliance. I doubt anyone would take a small corp like us anyway.
For the most part recently the faction war seemed to be enjoyed by the members of CNO. That was until Caldari were driven out of Enaluri. I am far too young in FW to know the years of history so please forgive me if I appear to be talking out of my bottom.
Isn't it and I mean FW ment to be about fun? When a game and lets remember EvE is a game stops being fun people leave. Where is the fun in 10 v 1? or 20 v 10? or working hard to take back a plex with say 8 people and spending hours getting that bunker to zero shield, working hard on the armour only to have 30+ of the enemy hungry to kill you? Is that fun? It wasn't so fun for me to waste a lot of time shooting a thing in space to be driven off.
It was fun getting shot at by a Thorax while I was in a Manticore shooting at the bunker while in fleet with 8 other ships. I knew it would happen by the way. So I re-ship and come back to shoot at the bunker again because I felt I had to do my duty and help out in getting a foot hold in what is Caldari space. It wasn't fun being driven off by those 30+ ships.
Still. I am still here.
It causes me pain to see many leave, give up and get bored of being as many say (Blobbed)
Again I know im new to FW and many might say that Caldari have done it the day of this or the day of that. OK I get it. What goes around comes around.
But now what will happen?
Yes Caldari will come back in time. How long? No idea.
For the time being I see the Gallente moving more into high sec and setting up gate camps hoping to catch FW members because not enough fleet's from Caldari are trying to take back plexs or posing for a fight.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
OK now I turn into a ramble.
Point is it will turn around. People come, people go. But it will come back and who knows it might be FUN again one day.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:46:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
Gallentes wont be bored by any of that. Very few people get bored by one-sided ganks in Eve. Most people are horrified of losing ships and despite boasting, most people are not in eve for good fights or challenges. They want ganks and then go on forums to boast about it. Just consider OP of this thread, another "grass is greener on this side" class of people. In old times they were called turncoats or just cowards. In Eve he is most likely praised for his "foresight".
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Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:16:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Most of the pirates that are/were active in Enaluri are not friendly Gallente.
The perceived blob during the US TZ at least is generally free roaming players that just pay attention to intel channels, and keep a fairly decent stock of ships on hand for all kinds of engagements. When a target is spotted, we rally and see if we have the ships/numbers to counter, sometimes this means all kinds of people come out of the woodwork and we end up with more members than expected. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
25
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:27:00 -
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Fidelium Mortis wrote:Cryissa wrote:Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Most of the pirates that are/were active in Enaluri are not friendly Gallente. The perceived blob during the US TZ at least is generally free roaming players that just pay attention to intel channels, and keep a fairly decent stock of ships on hand for all kinds of engagements. When a target is spotted, we rally and see if we have the ships/numbers to counter, sometimes this means all kinds of people come out of the woodwork and we end up with more members than expected.
Just to be clear, both sides have had dealing with pirates at one time or the other.
The pirates generally go where the easy kills are, and CalMil offered the easy kills. At least for the classic "I have a carrier alt and I sit on the undock" pirates. (this BTW is a reason to quit EVE if I ever saw one).
The Gal line (especially from Q-Cats) has always been, "we don't mean to blob, we just have a lot of guys who want pew pew" I honestly believe it coming from the Q-Cats.
The hard line truth is that for a whole number of reasons, many of which have been beaten to death in this thread, CalMil has had an exodus in the past month or so. Similar to what happened about 1.5-2 yrs ago. The one difference I see is that 1.5-2yrs ago you could pull 30-60 guys form gen mil, they were inexperienced and generally we got pwned, but we could get them. The last time I tried to pull a gen mil fleet together I got 7 corp members and 2 state pro guys in Jita... |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:32:00 -
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Dark Pangolin wrote:The last time I tried to pull a gen mil fleet together I got 7 corp members and 2 state pro guys in Jita...
Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by. You know, the old character who is still an ensign in rank and has 0 kills on any board and spends his time openly boasting he is a spy or asking for shuttle fits...
Playing Eve teaches you a lot about your fellow man does it not? Mittani put it best in his recent article where Eve players either become bozos or brownshirts, unless they do the reasonable thing and run for the exit, never to return.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
390
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:31:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by.
Eeeeyup, typical Caldari militia - blame the Gallente for everything, even your own failures. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
25
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:41:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by. Eeeeyup, typical Caldari militia - blame the Gallente for everything, even your own failures.
Not that I'm against forum flaming, but who are you exactly? I don't ever remember killing you. And you don't ever appear to have been in either militia. Are you counting I-RED (the Caldari RP Alliance that fights for the Galente...)??
I feel like we need to get people to post their FW credentials..."I was in FW in 2007 for 3 months therefore..."
MMMMMM I <3 holiday time at work, there is nothing to do but browse forums! |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:51:00 -
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Has there been a concerted effort by the CalMil to recruit corps looking to PvP? With stuff stirring in null sec I would imagine there's a few displaced corps out there that might be interested in making a home in low-sec. Also what about the recruitment channel or people coming out of RvB looking for some harder hitting fights? ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:58:00 -
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It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. |
Garbad theWeak
53
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:02:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. ...then loren gallen undocks travarion's carrier.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:03:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much.
In other words, attempt to get people to humiliate themselves publicly by accepting something as moronic as agreed duels while you boast "am I not merciful for giving them a chance" in these forums?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:10:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. In other words, attempt to get people to humiliate themselves publicly by accepting something as moronic as agreed duels while you boast "am I not merciful for giving them a chance" in these forums?
Moronic is thinking that accepting an agreed duel is somehow humiliating...
EDIT: @Dark Pangolin: Yes, holiday time at work is great :) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:20:00 -
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Hopefully the next expansion, "War", will have something for FW in it that will attract some new blood to FW. Until then, FW is still the best place to be if you live in lowsec.
In response to Dark's post: I'm Andre, I've been in Gall Mill for about 3 years. You may never see me, but I'm there in my Helios watching you, waiting. |
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:24:00 -
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I certainly cant speak for everyone else in our corp or in GalMil, but speaking for myself, I want there to be more CalMil people to fight. At least in my timezone, there are Caldari who fight every day, and they get kills on on us (read:me), but they just dont have the numbers to put on the line right now to consistantly counter our "out of the woodwork" numbers.
And to suggest that Gallente in general are just looking/planning to blob is innacurate. As Pangolin said, we just have lots of people who want to pvp. If intel comes out that there is a fleet of 5-6 guys in X system, we all run toward X system in hopes of getting a fight. We dont sit at a gate and say "Ok, lets wait until we outnumber them 3-1, then we will go." We go with what shows up in a short amount of time, and what shows up just happens to be a lot of folks. It is not reasonable to expect someone to say in Milita chat: "I found a fleet of 6 squids in Enaluri, and I am running a solo plex. I need help, but only 5 of you are allowed to come. Everyone else frack off..." Intel gets posted, and people who want to fight show up. The root of the problem is we just have more people that want to fight right now.
I know this may sound like a hair brained idea, but why not search for other Corps in the recruitment forum, or C&P or CAOD, etc stating your case. "CalMil wants you! Want a target rich environment? Fights every day? Fights restricted to certain ship sizes? Sanctioned piracy? CalMil is for you. The recent plex changes, etc., blah, blah..." You get the picture. Just entice corps who might be bored with what they are currently doing and lay out what FW has to offer. I honestly think the plex changes are excellent and are a good reason for other folks to join. /shrug. EDIT: Fidilum beat me to the punch as I was typing this. What he said above.
Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. My sec status is hurting because we dont have targets and have been going pie for things to shoot. Among others, I went GCC last night for a rifter. A RIFTER for chrissakes. That should tell you all you need to know. (I also got myself blowed up with gateguns because I am not used to flying around with a GCC flag.)
Here is hoping for more corps to join Caldari. I cant stand ratting for sec status. ;) |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:42:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored.
Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up.
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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:50:00 -
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Ach now come on... The Gallente want more pilots to gank... or to justify their fleet numbers.
I agree the problem is mostly a roaming gang of 2-5 caldari get a response from 5-15 gallente, so the Caldari see the number disadvantage and run!
No one wants to die in a fire, and when you hear intel of twice as many ships as you have, you know you are going to die.
The problem, as I've said before, is the Gallente have 3 corps each with over 100 members.
The Caldari's most active corp (on killboard) is 40 members, The Caldari's 3rd top scorer this month is state pro.
I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
But the gallentes are flying cruiser hulls and below. They are taking the plexing serious But in doing so, I can't ninja kill them. As Damar says, I want to kill you not give you a fight.
Until the 3 x 100 man corps get bored or take on one of the pirate corps - Move in and kill them. (WOLFY v Swigg in tama) comes to mind. (we didn't get on at all to start with, then we turned on the caldari). There is no reason to fight.
If gallente can bring 20 in high sp ships, and the caldari can't even get that number in low sp ships. Its ganks all the way!
Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am! |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:01:00 -
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EVIL SYNNs wrote:Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am!
Well, you didnt last long in militia did you?
The problem with plexes is that it's wonderful if both sides are equally matched. However, since on that front the numbers are so completely lopsided, it does not matter if someone like Squatdog or me can go and rip apart multiple froggies alone. Short term victory will always be undone by eventual blob which follows.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:09:00 -
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EVIL SYNNs wrote:I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
First off, we do take on pirates. When they want to fight, they know where to find us. Had a nice three way with pirates and caldari over the enaluri bunker not long ago, and we regularly take on pirate gangs when they are around. (At least when I'm online)
Your second comment is more of a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. We've (QCATS, USTZ) largely stopped bringing heavy ships since we already have the numbers advantage. This is the first time I've seen someone complain due to an attempt to undership the enemy :) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:10:00 -
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Edit: man are we all bored silly at work today or what?
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Ach now come on... The Gallente want more pilots to gank... or to justify their fleet numbers.
I agree the problem is mostly a roaming gang of 2-5 caldari get a response from 5-15 gallente, so the Caldari see the number disadvantage and run!
No one wants to die in a fire, and when you hear intel of twice as many ships as you have, you know you are going to die.
The problem, as I've said before, is the Gallente have 3 corps each with over 100 members.
The Caldari's most active corp (on killboard) is 40 members, The Caldari's 3rd top scorer this month is state pro.
I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
But the gallentes are flying cruiser hulls and below. They are taking the plexing serious But in doing so, I can't ninja kill them. As Damar says, I want to kill you not give you a fight.
Until the 3 x 100 man corps get bored or take on one of the pirate corps - Move in and kill them. (WOLFY v Swigg in tama) comes to mind. (we didn't get on at all to start with, then we turned on the caldari). There is no reason to fight.
If gallente can bring 20 in high sp ships, and the caldari can't even get that number in low sp ships. Its ganks all the way!
Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am!
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
78
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:18:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members.
So you're saying we don't have to see the navy domi blobbed dubbed "the package" ever again? Promise?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:21:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members.
So you're saying we don't have to see the navy domi blobbed dubbed "the package" ever again? Promise?
Very unlikely (that you will see the navy domi blob again), given the high number of perma-blinkies in the US TZ now. Even ignoring the fw standing hit for repping a friendly < -5, gate guns + drones == sad gallente.
Come to think of it, this is what in my experience usually stops us from engaging more organized pirate gangs, our inability to use remote reps (here's to hoping that CCP fixes the fw standing hit one day for repping a friendly -5)
EDIT: Plus, even before a large number of pilots went perma -5, the navy domis were just a counter to the 4-5 scorp fleets that cal mil fielded for a while. And this was before you *made* us learn how to fly nano. That's right, I'm going to put this on a new line so it's very apparent:
SUPER CHAIR IS THE REASON THE GAL MIL FLIES NANO NOW
His nano drake fleets are the reason we stopped flying armor ships and had to adapt. (Maybe nexx would have converted us in the long run with the cynabal, but Super definitely hastened the process). |
Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:24:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:
For the most part recently the faction war seemed to be enjoyed by the members of CNO. That was until Caldari were driven out of Enaluri. I am far too young in FW to know the years of history so please forgive me if I appear to be talking out of my bottom.
Caldari haven't between driven out of Enal.. there just isn't a lot of active players at the moment , but there is still more than enough people in enal.. Getting them to undock on the other had.. Well that's a challenge.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:30:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Cryissa wrote:Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
Gallentes wont be bored by any of that. Very few people get bored by one-sided ganks in Eve. Most people are horrified of losing ships and despite boasting, most people are not in eve for good fights or challenges. They want ganks and then go on forums to boast about it. Just consider OP of this thread, another "grass is greener on this side" class of people. In old times they were called turncoats or just cowards. In Eve he is most likely praised for his "foresight".
This is pretty much true.. There are very few people in this game that want to play on hard mode, which means often being against the odds. I always get a kick out of the guys that swap sides like the OP when the sides are already un-balanced., leaving for the stronger side of the moment.
When we came back to FW we actually had to grind our standings to get into Caldari whom was then the under dog. We could of went right to Gallente or back to Minmatar but where would the fun in that be of constantly ganking people that have no chance of fighting back?
Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much.
Sorry but not here to amuse your bloblings.. Those of us that still undock will just kill you guys when the killing is good and avoid your 10 vs 1 odds when the killing it not so good. |
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