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Keel Gaffrig	Posted - 2007.02.23 22:27:00 - [1] I've been running missions for the last month or so and am currently doing level 3s (holding off on level 4s until I have better BS skills) I have some trading skills so I've been mainly focused on selling the loot. Piles an piles of loot. My hanger is full of s..t. Some things sell other things... For instance rails or ecm, don't seem to sell well in my little area of the universe. Ok so here is my issue, I spend alot of time looking through the market, setting up sell orders and trying to figure out what sells. In the mean time the pile just continues to grow faster than I can fill up my sell orders. So do people generally just reprocess most of there loot and sell the minerals ??
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2007.02.23 22:37:00 - [2] reprocess and build things you need. Ammo, ships...
Ezra Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.24 00:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Keel Gaffrig I've been running missions for the last month or so and am currently doing level 3s (holding off on level 4s until I have better BS skills) I have some trading skills so I've been mainly focused on selling the loot. Piles an piles of loot. My hanger is full of s..t. Some things sell other things... For instance rails or ecm, don't seem to sell well in my little area of the universe. Ok so here is my issue, I spend alot of time looking through the market, setting up sell orders and trying to figure out what sells. In the mean time the pile just continues to grow faster than I can fill up my sell orders. So do people generally just reprocess most of there loot and sell the minerals ?? Reprocess and build other stuff unless it's worth significantly more than its mineral value. ------------ Ezra Cornell
Tayvar Tal Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.02.24 18:24:00 - [4] I would reprocess. Builders can charge lower because it costs less to make the module. You can be one of those guys that severely drops the price to sell it quickly, but it's not going to be a lot of money and you'll **** off builders like me.
Anini	Posted - 2007.02.25 01:32:00 - [5] Ok, this is one of my favorite activities on lazy weekends after a week of mission running. First off, buy a staion container at your mission running hub and put all your loot in it after every mission. After running some 16 missions and you get a storyline take a quick break to deal with all the loot you have piled up. Step 1: Stack all items to see if you happened to get any items in bulk. Step 2: Right click and view market details and check out the buy and sell orders of the items. Step 3: Grab your hauler and start loading up the mods that have decent buy orders in place. For me, if an item doesn't sell for at least 10k isk I just melt, but you can set your own limit. Step 3.5: Here is where you can either use the minerals to build your own stuff or sell the minerals for more isk, up to you. Step 4: Fly to closest market hub and sell all your loot at the current highest buy orders. Step 5: Use profit money to buy new mods you need or ammo resupply and head back to your agent and start the process all over again. * Note * Somewhere, someone is smarter than you and has more time than you so they will always make more money off the market than you. So, either you can devote more time to studying the market and training up those trade skills...or...you just accept what isk you can get for filling buy orders and live with it. I only put up sell orders when I have an item that I feel is vastly underpriced in the buy orders or if my trade alt is already selling that item in bulk. On estimate, I make an additional 50 to 100 million a week doing this with my loot and I have switched to only running level 3 missions as I can run them faster than level 4's thus increasing my isk/hour ratio.
Keel Gaffrig	Posted - 2007.02.25 14:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Anini Ok, this is one of my favorite activities on lazy weekends after a week of mission running. First off, buy a staion container at your mission running hub and put all your loot in it after every mission. After running some 16 missions and you get a storyline take a quick break to deal with all the loot you have piled up. Step 1: Stack all items to see if you happened to get any items in bulk. Step 2: Right click and view market details and check out the buy and sell orders of the items. Step 3: Grab your hauler and start loading up the mods that have decent buy orders in place. For me, if an item doesn't sell for at least 10k isk I just melt, but you can set your own limit. Step 3.5: Here is where you can either use the minerals to build your own stuff or sell the minerals for more isk, up to you. Step 4: Fly to closest market hub and sell all your loot at the current highest buy orders. Step 5: Use profit money to buy new mods you need or ammo resupply and head back to your agent and start the process all over again. * Note * Somewhere, someone is smarter than you and has more time than you so they will always make more money off the market than you. So, either you can devote more time to studying the market and training up those trade skills...or...you just accept what isk you can get for filling buy orders and live with it. I only put up sell orders when I have an item that I feel is vastly underpriced in the buy orders or if my trade alt is already selling that item in bulk. On estimate, I make an additional 50 to 100 million a week doing this with my loot and I have switched to only running level 3 missions as I can run them faster than level 4's thus increasing my isk/hour ratio. Thanks - this seems like a good plan. I like the idea of the station container as the visual clutter of my hanger bothers me. It seems like a good way to separate the high value stuff from all the junk. The 10000 mark sounds like a good idea also. I was setting up sell orders for almost anything that didn't have decent buy orders. If a mod was selling for 2000 and the buy order was 1000, i'd set up my own sell order (I have some trading SPs).It was just taking up too much time. I also started trying to figure out if certain mods had better buy orders or if the mineral value gained from reprocessing is greater. Certain mods have a way higher mineral value than market price. I'm sure there are people figuring all of this stuff out and making large profits off of it. I also am blazing through lvl 3s and holding off on lvl 4s. Maybe when my skills are better I'll do some lvl 4s. This game seems like it is all about time. If you want to spend alot of time fooling around with the market, manufacturing, shooting stuff there is isk to be made. The decision comes down to - how do you want to spend your time? Keel
Rakeris Brethren Empire	Posted - 2007.02.25 15:19:00 - [7] What I do is put anything I know is worth above like 500k-1mill on the market everything else is reprocessed. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:06:00 - [8] I can't believe no one here has given you the true mission loot info yet... There are a few types of mission loot you can get. 1. Regular old tech 1 items of all sorts - You reprocess almost all of these. Only a rare few you don't... like nanofibers, inertial stabs, and a few others. If you will make more money refining an item then you refine it... period. This will be true for almost every T1 item. 2. Named T1 modules. Things like Arbalest, Malkuth, Prototype, Scout, etc. These items almost all refine for a fraction of their T1 counterparts but often sell for anywhere from 5-10,000 times more on the market. These are 95% sell loot, except for smartbombs and a few other items which actually refine for more than their regular T1 counterparts. 3. Tags - You sell these to NPC's or to Players, tho most pirate ones are fairly worthless. Just throw em into your container and leave em until you find a use for em. 4. Pirate logs - I think these are worthless too, can refine em tho. 5. Non-market items - Either quest items or rare faction/unique loot that can only be sold on contracts. 6. Ammo - Might as well refine any you don't need, you'll prob make more than trying to sell it if you're not an expert in that ammo type. I probably left out a few types of loot, but those are off the top of my head. DO NOT buy into the reasoning that if you refine items the minerals are free and thus you can produce items with those minerals and sell them for well under market value. Just refine the minerals and sell the minerals... they are not free. If you refine everything worth under 500k you're losing out on a lot of money. If you sell everything worth over 10k you're losing a lot of money/time. It is more complicated than either of those simplistic ideas many people follow. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Rakeris Brethren Empire	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadarle I know I probably lose out on a lot of ISK but all the time it would take to list it all on the market and relist it if it doesn't sell, I could probably do a couple missions. Which would be worth far more than the loot. Even though I loot most missions I make more from the ISK/LP that from the loot 90% of the time. If I didn't need the minerals to make stuff I probably wouldn't loot at all. :o ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Denholm Shirer	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:54:00 - [10] Edited by: Denholm Shirer on 02/03/2007 18:50:50 Shadarle's advice is good. I save most named stuff and try to sell or use it at some point. Small and medium T1 loot is mostly just refinery fodder, but at the BS level a lot of T1 things are well worth selling - 425mm rails for example make a tidy amount of ISK if you save a few up and make a sell order. You gradually develop a sense of what's worth spending time and energy on selling and what should just be refined. As other posters have said, beyond a certain point it's not worth wasting time that could be used to do more missions on messing around with the market. Taking this thinking to its conclusion, I'm still basically unsure whether it's worthwhile looting missions at all. At the moment the temptation of all those free modules and salvaging opportunities is hard to resist, but after a big mission cleaning up the loot often takes half an hour or so. Some argue that the LP and rat bounty gain of just getting on with another mission is more valuable.
Coreena Silver Caldari Floor 42 Enterprises NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:38:00 - [11] This is what i do: I buy a couple of station containers.. Store all the loot in one container, and whenever i feel like a break in missioning and ratting I take a look in my loot container. Use stack all option so all the multiple items stack up.. What you then do is create a spreadsheet (excel) write down the current "buy order" mineral prices near you. What you then do is you choose one stack of items. grab 1 piece from the stack. choose reprocess on it. and write down the number of minerals you will get from it. then cancel the reprocess and choose view market details write down the "buy order" price near you.. Now you setup your spreadsheet with that item so it calculates what your isk gain is if you reprocess the item and sell the minerals or if you sell the item directly.. You then do this with each item you loot. Eventually you will have a very long handy list that you can quickly look in when having new loot in your container.. the good thing is if your codes are good then all you need to change now and then is the "buy order" prices for the minerals each time you wanna empty your loot container. ps.: if interested in a sample sheet evemail me your email address. Coreena Silver Floor42
Sylaan Caldari Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Rakeris What I do is put anything I know is worth above like 500k-1mill on the market everything else is reprocessed. I do the same thing. What I know sells for more than 1 mil, I put on market. I reprocess the rest. With the minerals I build my ammo and every now and then, when the amount of zydrine/megacyte adds up, I build popular cruisers (Blackbird, Thorax, etc).
Don Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Don Caldari on 03/03/2007 12:02:05 i do it a bit different i made a post about this a long time ago but it did not get the attention i think it deserved i have been doing missions for a very long time and i have always hated the timesink it was to check items to find out what to cycle etc i kid u not when u have around 700 stacks u need to check it takes days then i got an idea most of the items i recycle are the same items mission after mission so i made containers named CYCLE,SELL,KEEP,AMMO,UNCHECKED then i checked all my stacks and stuffed them in the right containers now when i return from a mission i put everything i got on that mission into the CYCLE container...then i hit STACK everything that doesnt stack i put into my SELL container...and again hit STACK i also do this in my AMMO and KEEP container after passing through all those containers there will only be 1-2 items left those i either check right away or stuff in the UNCHECKED container to be checked later now the IMPORTANT thing here is that when u recycle your loot or sell of the good stuff..LEAVE one of each item in the coresponding container that way u will only have to check each item once in your career atm i have 475 items in my cycle container and another 300 items in my sell container and about another 200 between my keep and ammo container and now instead of days it take me 10-20 mins to recycle my illgotten mission loot wich is actually fast enough to cycle before doing a few missions with a friend and also cycle after you are done missioning with him so that he gets the minerals right away instead of having to wait days or weeks for u to get the crap cycled ok ill admit that for the people i regularly do missions with i have containers too so that i just dump everything in there and only do the stacking rutine now and again anyway i also use spreadsheats where i write the mineral prizes etc wich i use when i buy in bulk on the market but the automated stacking containers is ALOT faster than having to check a spreadsheat for each item to be honest this is the advice i would have most liked to have had when i started playing this game as it is definatly the single thing that has saved me most time(also the most booring time)
Coreena Silver Caldari Floor 42 Enterprises NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.03.03 23:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Don Caldari Edited by: Don Caldari on 03/03/2007 16:17:04 Edited by: Don Caldari on 03/03/2007 12:02:05 i do it a bit different i made a post about this a long time ago but it did not get the attention i think it deserved Well there was at least one person who read it because I followed your advice and have done it that way for a long time.. But I discovered about a month ago that, although it is a good plan, it can be flawed.. I have found several items that used to be good for selling or refining, and then now they are reversed, meaning those that used to sell before is now better to refine.. So a lot of items in your refine container, might be worth more selling now, rather than refining..
Don Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.04 00:34:00 - [15] yeah that is true u do have to keep an eye on the market and the latest trends in ship fittings but i will still say i have not read about another system that can save me as much time as this one and should i cycle a few items that could have made a little more profit yeah well i already have tons of stuff that i never get sold because i do not have enough sell slots(i always seem to end up having buy orders out with all my available trade skills)
Roy Gordon Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.04 21:02:00 - [16] What I do is sell anything I find which is worth more than 5k isk per item, the rest I take to the corp hanger for reprocessing. That way both me and my corp benefit. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!
Roche Pso Gallente Deltole Research Labs	Posted - 2007.03.05 22:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Keel Gaffrig So do people generally just reprocess most of there loot and sell the minerals ?? I use EveReprocessor. Feed in the local mineral prices (saved as files from the market at interval) and it gives you the current value of the mins in any item. Next check the item sale price on the market. Now you know what the item itself is worth and what the minerals inside it are worth, so: Item sale price > mineral value -> sell item Item sale price < mineral value -> repro item You can also go 1 step further: Item sale price <<<<< mineral value -> keep the one you looted and buy all the cheap ones off the market and repro the lot to get minerals below cost from numpties! Roche's top tip: Don't let your new Ishkur get stuck on a roid trying to warp out as your cap dies!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:37:00 - [18] I reprocess anything below a certain threshold. The threshold is judged by total order value and history but is a very simplistic "can I be bothered" judgement. If I can create a sell order whose total value is above 200k I will do so. Between 100k and 200k it depends on how many spare orders I have and how quickly the item sells. Below 100k I just don't give a damn (when you are a billionaire you might as well draw the line somewhere) and I preprocess the lot from time to time. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Mandrain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:00:00 - [19] agree
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Pakalolo reprocess and build things you need. Ammo, ships... wrong. train scrapmetal processing, THEN reprocess and build things you need. Ammo, ships... -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Roche Pso Gallente Deltole Research Labs	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Andrue I reprocess anything below a certain threshold. I used to do that, but then I realised that just cos something sells for a high price it doesnt mean that price is higher than the value of the minerals within it.

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