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Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:04:00 - [1] I would first and formost like to thanks DS a popular forum who..err poster for quoting the phrase The great zyd depression.. Now .. has anyone else noticed the HUGE and by HUGE i mean HUGE Decline in zyd prices?... yes im sure you have.. And im sure you and people you know can make up 10 reasons for them.. fact is miners who lived off crokite.. are hurting. not cranking that 65 mill an hour like the old days .. =( Anyways, Figured id make a thread about it for discussion as to what CCP should do to help remedy the situation given, somthing ingame has had to drasticly change in order for this to occur, and honistly it should be remedied to bring the market back in line with its former self.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:07:00 - [2] No. Just no. I'm a carebear miner and violently, emphatically, no. Give things time, and I'll bet the price will go back up.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:11:00 - [3] Edited by: Soporo on 24/02/2007 06:12:56 I mine too, but when I notice certain prices getting flaky, I turn in another direction and mine a different roid. Zyd flaky, go Iso, Iso flaky go Mega, whatever. Blame the Gallentes on this one, they know why, and might even admit the reason. If I were you I would stockpile atm, if zyd is your thing. Hell, CCP wont manage the Hulk market, why should they care about Zydrine.
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:21:00 - [4] Zyd will not go back up, there is simply too much of it coming out of the drone regions.
Pellaeon DuGalle Caldari Deep Black Industries	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:22:00 - [5] So the zyd price is down, and people who depend on zyd prices are hurting. What makes you think anything is wrong? (such that it needs fixing) What you're alluding it is akin to Ford or GM petitioning world's governments to somehow restore their profit margins simply because less people are buying SUVs & 4 wheel drives. Demand and supply. Welcome to a new economic situation. ------------------- "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:25:00 - [6] Yeah, but I bet the belt->exploration thing coming will affect it, even somewhat, enough to make iskies on perhaps.
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:28:00 - [7] Zydrine So after a long period of heavy inflation of Zydrine prices , it has finally dropped back to a normal level where it used to be due to an increased Zydrine supply coming from the 8 new regions. Nothing wrong with that, not even worhty of a thread imho. WSCN Recruitment
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:48:00 - [8] In terms of mineral prices in terms of their rarity, Zydrine is actually at a nice and stable price. Sure, being a 0.0 miner, it stinks that zydrine took such a dive - but my wallet is truly hurting in the morphite department. Now that has taken a nosedive of epic proportions. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT & [QTC] Industries
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:58:00 - [9] gas cloud mining, megacyte, morphite even trit and pyerite up in 0.0 reasons prices are increasing. Actually everyone in zyd is now earning less meaning ships are becoming cheaper ( being offset with macro farmers being taken out of game low ends are rising) so this is a good thing for new players.
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:07:00 - [10] It is still priced higher then I remember it being when I first started playing. The market has its ups and downs, let it do its thing. Corporation Management Improvement

Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Johnathan Roark It is still priced higher then I remember it being when I first started playing. The market has its ups and downs, let it do its thing. To be fair, it was "doing it's thing" until CCP messed with things in Kali 1.0. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:49:00 - [12] The sell prices are bad now, but just wait till we get the goodies in the next patch. The more items means that there will be more demand for materials and prices will surely rise. However I do think that a horrible imbalance was created between high-end and low end minerals with the drones. With high-end minerals being a frequent drop, and having low-end materials drop rarely, the drop rates are almost exactly opposite of any other method of acquiring minerals, which has high ends being most rare, and low ends being common. I believe that the drops in the drone regions should reflect the original mineral tables with trit and pye dropping commmonly, and with mega and zyd dropping less frequently. Looking to join an allaince with 0.0 access where i am allowed to build poses. EVE-Mail me if you have any opportunities.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.02.24 08:09:00 - [13] Originally by: ghosttr The sell prices are bad now, but just wait till we get the goodies in the next patch. The more items means that there will be more demand for materials and prices will surely rise. However I do think that a horrible imbalance was created between high-end and low end minerals with the drones. With high-end minerals being a frequent drop, and having low-end materials drop rarely, the drop rates are almost exactly opposite of any other method of acquiring minerals, which has high ends being most rare, and low ends being common. I believe that the drops in the drone regions should reflect the original mineral tables with trit and pye dropping commmonly, and with mega and zyd dropping less frequently. Yes, the zydrine prices have dropped b/c of the drone regions. NO They do not need to nerf the drops. If you want more low end minerals go pick up rat loot from another region and refine the mods, you will have plenty of low end material. As well the mega drop is already pretty low, you can see this if you look at the market as the price change has been extremely minimal, and the price is back to 4100-4200ISK per unit. Yes Zydrine has dropped, but I've seen the prices lower. As for the original poster, to bad so sad. The game is not broken, stop crying for CCP to change things. So you can't get 65 million an hour. I call that broken if you can make that an hour. The market prices are stable, if you do ship production you can see this, battleships cost just as much to make as they did before. The High ends (zydrine primarly) have dropped in price, your middle ranged minerals haven't really changed (Isogen, and Nocxium as come back down), and your low ends have gone up in price quite a bit. Trit is now double what it was 7 months ago, mexallon is double from 10 isk to 20+, and pyerite is up to 8-9 from 3-4 isk. This are balanced, CCP has no need to look at this thread for any reason, because everything is working just fine.
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.24 20:41:00 - [14] So... how bout that zyd depression.. STC recruiting!
Daniella Althera	Posted - 2007.03.24 20:45:00 - [15] Zydrine is currently going for 1300isk/unit in where I am. Compared to the 4300isk/unit from last fall I find this annoying.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.24 20:51:00 - [16] to be an smart Alec for a moment.. "Adapt!!!!" but seriously, I mine different things when one thing gone down the crap shoot...isogen for example.. now hitting 85 ish... now I am going after Plag with mex at 27 to 30 isk per.... so... yeah, adapt... thats the thing with a player driven market... is the supply and demand thing that annoys us all... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.24 20:54:00 - [17] make reprocess loot give much less high end minerals, but alot of low end minerals. This will drop trit and pyr down to compete with macros and will drive high end minerals up. Just one small thing that might help. Seems like the alloys are hurting the most though. Make drone region have no alloy drops, and no bounties, but still have npcs just for annoyance. ;)
fisty Aliastra	Posted - 2007.03.24 20:59:00 - [18] PERFECT COMPETITION 4tw big monoplies are bad mkay?...k set some standarts "real world" but other than that just high prices quit whining and calling in ccp to get things like they were.... hell I WANT MY 4x1400mm 4xarbalest heavy missile launcher with cruise and 6 dmg mods BACK.... so??? stop crying like a girl...like the guy aboev me said...ADAPT life aint simple cant call an entity in real life like CCP and say "that aint fair" what a woose the OP.... Ciao
flakeonium Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.24 21:04:00 - [19] at least now you know how farmers feel when milk price is going down haha -------------------------------------------------- *<(:-}
Leonardo Sabrioski Caldari Shadow Eden Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.24 21:08:00 - [20] Aha I have an idea! NERF the DRONE REGIONS!!! remove all the drone npcs... remove all the asteroid belts... remove all of the moons... remove all of the planets... remove all of the outposts... and YOU may sell zydrine at that ridiculously 4k per deal... --- No i don't think it will ever go down... sorry ----------------------------------------------

Nyack GREY COUNCIL Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.03.24 21:22:00 - [21] well the people hurting here i think is actually the people living inside the drone regions.. teh rest of us can simply npc or mine mega ore in 0,0 but this kills of their way to make a decent income out there..
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.24 21:27:00 - [22] CCP should do NOTHING to "help" out this situation. Mainly because we have a player run echonomy, where everything adjusts itself. Personally I feel CCP would do more hurt by interacting then helping the situation. its always dangerous to interfere and tamper, since the consequenses can interfere on other levels. I think its called collateral damage. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Gerome Doutrande 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.24 21:48:00 - [23] neveren threads always deliver. and no, there is no zyd pricing problem.
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.24 23:11:00 - [24] Oh god you silly fools. This is no act of a player run economy. This particular economy was touched by the hand of god who decided to re-balance the market. As far as I know - in real life - god doesn't devinely intervene with the stock market while giggling to himself. -omg-
Amphetaminer	Posted - 2007.03.24 23:21:00 - [25] i dont really care about the zydrine price but what i do think is wrong is the huge amounts of minerals coming from carier spawns/drone regions/reprocessing. Mining should bring in minerals not these regions. Because its stupid that i have to compete with PvE'rs on the mineral market.. If prices drop because people are all mining the same asteroid no problem but the drone regions really mess stuff up..
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.24 23:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Amphetaminer Because its stupid that i have to compete with PvE'rs on the mineral market.. Yeah, Jove forbid that Eve is a PvP game with every aspect being PvP in one way or another. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Star Commander
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.24 23:36:00 - [27] I do admit the great zyd depression has a few in my corp worried living in 0.0 and all it was a good source of income for many but you have to adapt to any change the onlyt hing is I don;nt see prices being stable at this point they are going togo even lower as I know loads are stockpiling it hoping it rises but anyway if nothing changes we'll just have to get uses to it over the years I have seen it price rise and fall not this drastically but them new drones do drop alot of zyd. Join The Fight With Promo Today
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:06:00 - [28] Heres's a thought. Mine something other than crokite.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Galk on 25/03/2007 00:19:58 Edited by: Galk on 25/03/2007 00:19:07 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker CCP should do NOTHING to "help" out this situation. Mainly because we have a player run echonomy, where everything adjusts itself. it is you sir that knows nothing. Zyd used to flutauate on regional conflict, times were tough.. northen wars... it passed up, steady in the south, adrressed a little. Back in 04 before you joined the game that was how it worked.... silly ill informed statement you make now, is just that... player maybe, twas ccps that directly introduced the steady flow that crushed the balance...... Edit* drunk, ignore spells... as it is, all the same, quit reading from the text book, know the score./ ______
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Splagada on 25/03/2007 00:27:18 carrier jumps, and wtz more carriers, more frigate hauls i used to do that for cheap cash. in 0.0 the price of zyd hardly changed. its only in empire crokite didnt move, but hauling was made a lot easier if under 150m3 ------ Relaxed corp recruiting



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