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[ 2007.02.24 17:53:15 ] xxxxxxx > can i have my money back?

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Originally by: BSAC Manager

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So you confess to be a scam artist. What makes you any better than the guy you scam?

You must be the first scammer to be applauded.

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Originally by: BSAC Manager

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So you confess to be a scam artist. What makes you any better than the guy you scam?

You must be the first scammer to be applauded.

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Originally by: Ulecese

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[ 2007.02.24 17:52:38 ] Ulecese > you going to do the buyout?
[ 2007.02.24 17:52:42 ] xxxxxxx > im afraid not :)
[ 2007.02.24 17:52:45 ] Ulecese > ok :(
[ 2007.02.24 17:52:55 ] xxxxxxx > lol you scammed me, this is a bpc
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:04 ] Ulecese > well thats what you get for trying to con me with the sales tax scam :) OWNED!!!!
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:08 ] xxxxxxx > well played i guess...
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:15 ] xxxxxxx > can i have my money back?
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:20 ] Ulecese > im afraid not :)
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:24 ] xxxxxxx > :(

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Originally by: BSAC Manager

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So you confess to be a scam artist. What makes you any better than the guy you scam?

You must be the first scammer to be applauded.

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Originally by: Checkher

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You sir must be the alt of the scammer he caught!

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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe

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marvellous, truly marvellous!!!

oh, and a little sidenote to anyone from CCP reading this topic: do you notice the amount of VERY positive and enthousiastic responses to this topic and the credit this guy is receiving? You could be the ones that receive all that credit for every scammer you take out (read IP ban, scamming by abusing game mechanics should be illegal), the community will be extremely grateful I would guess, just a little tip on further increasing your customer service ;)

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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe

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marvellous, truly marvellous!!!

oh, and a little sidenote to anyone from CCP reading this topic: do you notice the amount of VERY positive and enthousiastic responses to this topic and the credit this guy is receiving? You could be the ones that receive all that credit for every scammer you take out (read IP ban, scamming by abusing game mechanics should be illegal), the community will be extremely grateful I would guess, just a little tip on further increasing your customer service ;)

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Originally by: Motivated Prophet

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Originally by: BSAC Manager

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So you confess to be a scam artist. What makes you any better than the guy you scam?

You must be the first scammer to be applauded.

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My feelings are a bit mixed, but I think I can sum them up as:
If person A is ACTIVELY trying to scam person B, and person B has committed no wrong, person B may then righteously scam person A.

Note the important conditions in that statement. As all of them were satisfied in this instance, I can morally and ethically rofl at the idiot scammer.

That said, I'm still a little confused as to why the OP felt the need to protect the identity of his victim.

MP

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Originally by: Zhaine

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A large, and might I add non-scammer portion of "the community" would not be "exremely grateful".

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Um, no.

A player owning a scammer like this is brilliant; the OP used the exact same freedoms to scam that a scammer uses. That's EVE. CCP give us the tools to enforce the laws; it's not up to them to do it for us.

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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe

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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 28/02/2007 15:39:06

Originally by: Zhaine

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A large, and might I add non-scammer portion of "the community" would not be "exremely grateful".

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Do you mean the scammers would not be grateful? I don't quite understand your point, sorry. I would guess the non-scammer portion of the community WILL be grateful for any scammer being banned from the game.

Originally by: Malcanis

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Um, no.

A player owning a scammer like this is brilliant; the OP used the exact same freedoms to scam that a scammer uses. That's EVE. CCP give us the tools to enforce the laws; it's not up to them to do it for us.

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I think cheating has become so normal and common in this game that everyone started to call it scamming and accepted is as part of the game, like it was something like piracy and ransoming (which IS a part of the game).

Well to me as a 3-month old noob there's a big difference, I consider it cheating. A lot of players in many different multiplayer games always seem to forget that little rule that "abusing" game mechanics for your own gain is cheating. What exactly is considered "abusing" is always a difficult discussion point. But as a rule you should always consider what is the intention of the developers with a certain game mechanic, if you use the game mechanic for that purpose, then there can't be a problem.

Consider the following, if scamming wasn't cheating, why would there be special CCP petition rules for people being scammed with GTC's? Are GTC any different then BPO's or ships, or whatever? The only reason there aren't any CCP rules for other scams is because it's just too much for CCP to handle. They certainly didn't program this game (and the new contract system) so that players would have the tools to scam eachother, that's why they keep trying to remove/fix possible scam tools (or law-enforcing tools as you like to call them). If it wasn't CCP's intention to give us tools to scam, then why as a player should you destroy their game and the game experience they try to create for their players for your own personal pleasure?

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Originally by: Guizzy

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Edited by: Guizzy on 28/02/2007 19:42:44
Ulrich, the thing about this is that the game was not made for everyone to win without effort. There are losers and winners in EVE. And scamming is one part of that game. The scam involved here is not someone that used some magic hacking to remove ISK from a player's wallet and put it in his; he used in-game methods, against someone that COULD HAVE DONE (and in this case, did) something to avoid being scammed.

This scammer is not a hacker, or not even abusing game mechanics. He just lied. Lying is a part of the game. All the exciting spying and sabotage going on with the alliances relies on lying as well.

It's not an ethical practice, and in most real-life, lawful societies, such scams would probably be punished by the judiciary system. But the EVE universe portrays a far more lenient system, a less restrictive one with a cutthroat market, where even pirating and murder is not punished with even a fraction of the zeal we see in our world and where electronic contracts are absolutely binding, no matter if they were made with dishonest intentions.

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Originally by: Guizzy

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Ulrich, the thing about this is that the game was not made for everyone to win without effort. There are losers and winners in EVE. And scamming is one part of that game. The scam involved here is not someone that used some magic hacking to remove ISK from a player's wallet and put it in his; he used in-game methods, against someone that COULD HAVE DONE (and in this case, did) something to avoid being scammed.

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This scammer is not a hacker, or not even abusing game mechanics. He just lied. Lying is a part of the game. All the exciting spying and sabotage going on with the alliances relies on lying as well.

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Originally by: Ulecese

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[ 2007.02.24 17:52:55 ] xxxxxxx > lol you scammed me, this is a bpc
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:04 ] Ulecese > well thats what you get for trying to con me with the sales tax sc