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LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.25 14:51:00 - [1] Edited by: LUKEC on 25/02/2007 14:49:37 ECM is fine. I almost never miss jam cycle on battleships, anything smaller usually gets permajammed. However, you can't really have sick amounts of armor and jam like god. Now you actually have to chose between jamming strength, shield tank, armor tank. As for boring role, if you know who to jam, you can turn insane odds to your favour(I think OP was in EC-P8R when we had some EW) ps. I never bother to use scorp or falcon and have all relevant skills at 5. -------- .....
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:42:00 - [2] Originally by: Veryez Oh and Lukec, I don't use the Rook, but at 20% boost per level, so that at level 5, ecm is back to it's former strength. I would tend to agree with you. The fact you don't use Scorps or Falcons actually supports the contention that these ships are underpowered.... You have distortion amps & rigs to make them better. I can't have 4x 1600mm plates on any fleet setup with guns and perform good. It would be funny if you would need 2x cpuII to fit all ecm on scorp like amarr for guns -------- .....
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Veryez Originally by: welsh wizard It was almost perfect for a very short time (About 3 weeks?) pre-Kali when ECCM was buffed. Now they've just removed said module from the game again. I mean whats the point in its existence? They went too far with the nerf post-kali. I completely agree, ECCM and ECM were very well balanced then. I even carried projected ECCM sometimes to help my gang mates, since I had enough tank to stay close to them (for some time at least). The Scorpion is my favorite PvP ship by a wide margin, but it just can't help groups like a Raven or Rokh can. All they do is sit in my hanger now It was ballanced in 1vs1 situation. 10 ships with 1 multispec of doom vs 10 ships with backup ... Best outcome for backupers was not getting jammed. Seriously, ECM is fine. All you need to do is pick ship with ECM bonus and FIT it for jamming and voila, it works. Nobody fits backups anyway as they are worthless(i remember flying domi with 2 medslot ECCM and still getting jammed all the time). 1 backup is waste of slot, because 1 stupid bb with few multis will still nerly permajam 1bs. Sensor booster will perform better, at least it gives you small chance to put drones on jammer or nosfs. -------- .....
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.28 21:04:00 - [4] Originally by: welsh wizard ...stuff that I mostly agree... BUT: Backups were dice standard(and ATUK). Let's be honest, fleets of alliances with less sp heavy players are (or at least used to be) jammer heavy. ASCN was fielding fleets with 20-30 scorps (up to 30% of bs sometime) and that was mainly pre-kali ecm nerf. Was it effective? No. But it was annoying enough that people started to fit backups again. But let's be honest, skilled EW pilots are rare as hell. I can usually field rook with maxed skills, but usually i don't unless if it's roaming trip. Reason is too obvious, you don't field jamming ship when you can have insta damage. But my problem with EW never really was fleets. It was... look he's jamming alot, primary.. problem solved. Problem was smaller gangs(up to 15-20), where jaming was mother of god, 3 plates and 5 jammers on raven/domi, combined with few wcs. -------- .....
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:21:00 - [5] Hey we never bothered to make scorps primary in fleets. Reasons are obvious: 1. cheap 2. lots of hp 3. they don't kill you 4. they don't force you to warp out 5. pilots are nubs & suck 6. do you really have time to check who's flying scorp or something silly along these lines? -------- .....
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Elrich Zann Originally by: Aramendel Thats like saying missile ships should never be compared to turret ships but only be compared vs each other. Of cource ships of the same "type" also have to be balanced vs each other, but balancing them vs other ship types is also essential. I could just as well say that ECM strength should be reduced by the factor of 10. It would have no effect since ECM ships cannot be compared vs other ships anyways. Right? By the very fact of looking at their effeciency vs other ships you compared them vs something non-ECM. So therefore you believe that the Scorpion is balanced vs other battleships? That is, as FC, you would be equally fine with a pilot with Calderi Battleship 5, flying a Scorpion, Raven or Rokh? Assuming his/her other skills were equivalent. You are generalizing too much. Skilled scorp can be extremely useful in smaller skirmishes, in fleets rooks are 4tw. -------- .....

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