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Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.05.20 21:42:13 -
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**** you! |
Harvog Aeon
The Vomit Comets Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2016.05.20 21:44:36 -
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New camera tracking makes me feel like throwing up and the old cameras gonna be removed...yay \o/ |
Vladimir Xiemargl
Homeworld 00 Edition
0
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Posted - 2016.05.21 22:01:16 -
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And when memory leak in client whith new camera will be fixed? |
Duke Garland
Solar Vista. The Anubis Accord
0
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Posted - 2016.05.22 16:10:04 -
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Lt Shard wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:With just 5.5% of the community now utilizing the old camera system Bullshit. Maybe because you force it on with every patch. The new camera is sluggish and inferior. Keep the old one.
Just quoting the first of a sizeable number of complaints about this one in this topic. Every patch this new camera was forced on me the first thing I did after undocking and noticing you did it again I went straight to options and turned it off faster than you'd have a capsule in warp.
Keep the old cam as an option, even should you never ever add anything new to it just keep it available. (And that CCP can do things like that is visible to everyone using the old hangar instead of a pointless captain's quarter. I wonder how many percent of the community actually includes that)
I'm among both groups, old hangar AND old camera.
regards |
Aaron Eyrou
Cannon Ball In The Pool
12
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Posted - 2016.05.22 17:26:40 -
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It appears that CCP is choosing to ignore us again, bad idea. In my opinion games are 95% visual stimulation 5% everything else. If I am not pleased with what I see on my screen I do not continue playing. This is why EVE is the only mmo I play. There is nothing in the new camera that I like. And there is nothing in EVE that will keep me playing if I am no longer being visually stimulated. If the new camera was here back in 2010 when I started playing I would have given up after a month.
The new camera works if you make videos, it gives you extra options. But like most of the EVE community I don't make videos.
You really should listen to your customers CCP we pay your bills. Everything else you have forced on us has been forgiven to a certain extent. But if you take away the number one thing that keeps me playing EVE there is no point in me sticking around.
Side note: looks like Markee Dragon has almost completely removed EVE from his twitch schedule. EVE was the game he played most on his show. I guess you just lost another customer. And all the future customers he would of brought you.
Goodbye EVE you will be missed! |
Cerian Alderoth
Cataclysm Enterprises Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2016.05.22 18:12:31 -
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Every single time, every single feature.
- Step 1: Take something.
- Step 2: Reinvent something.
- Step 3: Add features to something.
- Step 4: Break alot something.
- Step 5: Opt-out something.
- Step 6: Fix a little something.
- Step 7: Roll-out something.
- Step 8: Repeat something.
95 % of all customers dislike this. |
MarkeeDragon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.05.23 11:26:54 -
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Aaron Eyrou wrote: Side note: looks like Markee Dragon has almost completely removed EVE from his twitch schedule. EVE was the game he played most on his show. I guess you just lost another customer. And all the future customers he would of brought you.
I want to say I'm not quitting EVE as suggested here. But I am taking a small break from it on the how and will do a show patch day to see how things look. I love commerce and hauling in the game. Both of those do not matter much with the camera views and are not something that is entertaining in videos. The entertaining stuff involves conflict. Most conflict involves the camera.
All of this camera stuff does affect how the game is presented. I want it to show really well. :)
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Truian
Furnace Thermodynamics
2
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:55:39 -
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Please do not retire the old camera. I am one of the 5% of Eve players who will be unhappy with this change |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1881
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:33:11 -
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Truian wrote:Please do not retire the old camera. I am one of the 5% of Eve players who will be unhappy with this change
Quite sure that not a single person, even in CCP believes that 5% figure is actually credible. |
Aaron Eyrou
Cannon Ball In The Pool
12
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Posted - 2016.05.24 02:25:35 -
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MarkeeDragon wrote:Aaron Eyrou wrote: Side note: looks like Markee Dragon has almost completely removed EVE from his twitch schedule. EVE was the game he played most on his show. I guess you just lost another customer. And all the future customers he would of brought you.
I want to say I'm not quitting EVE as suggested here. But I am taking a small break from it on the how and will do a show patch day to see how things look. I love commerce and hauling in the game. Both of those do not matter much with the camera views and are not something that is entertaining in videos. The entertaining stuff involves conflict. Most conflict involves the camera. All of this camera stuff does affect how the game is presented. I want it to show really well. :)
I didn't mean to say you where quitting. I was just shocked to see you went from 3 or 4 days a week of EVE to just one day on the entire schedule. I was thinking it is a message to CCP because of the old camera removal. It doesn't seem that CCP cares so there may be no hope for EVE on your channel in the future. I look forward to seeing what you fill the time with. |
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ApolloF117 HUN
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
31
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Posted - 2016.05.24 20:46:39 -
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this is just plain bullshit what is happening currently, they keep sayin' "we are listening to the community" and what we get? a ****** up camera that makes me sick in every way, whats your problem with the old map? whats your problem with the old scanning? whats your problem with the old camera ? everything is fine and simple, why the **** do you need to break everything when its no need to? why the **** ccp can't listen to the community? if they don't want new camera cos its sluggish ****,why they keep going? this is a reverse year or whaT? if we say yes make it then you will keep the old one? what the hell do we need to do to understand that we don't need this ****** up camera controls? if there is a carrier or citadel controler who want to use fighters, then he can use it. getting real sick of this. what are u soviets? its good for 50-100 players then its good for everybody?
have no overall problem with the developers, but this **** really getting out of hand.
So my last question is, what the hell is your problem to force this kind of **** to players who clearly say they don't want to? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1881
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Posted - 2016.05.24 20:57:08 -
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Well, you better urge any of your friends who still switch to the old camera every singe patch day to come say why they do it. Because until more than 5% of the active players come here to complain CCP will pretend their 5% figure is true.
As it stands, once they swap to the new camera on the 31st, we can all deal with the backlash of all the guys who were just sleepwalking into this change that left them with a sluggish and inconsistent camera.
The bare minimum of what would make the new camera acceptable to me would be
- All 'features' OFF by default (so as not to confuse the new players with literally the disorienting camera, out of the box, in any game).
- Make (or give the option to change) the vertical pan speed to be the same as the horizontal pan speed.
- Give an option to change the speed and 'stiffness' of the zoom.
These are such simple options to implement that it infuriates me that you just make a choice to change, after 13 years, the fundamental input method feel with zero consideration for people who currently push it to its limits.
There are lots of other 'feature' complaints, but that effects me less than not being able to control my space submarine as well as i could before May 31st just because of some 'polish oriented design decisions'. |
the hekka
satanic smile
0
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Posted - 2016.05.25 07:44:41 -
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I learned about the possibility to activate an old camera only 5 minutes ago, at another site in the news about the removal of the old camera |
Dejara Thoris
Alea Iacta Est Universal Blades of Grass
0
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Posted - 2016.05.26 03:52:46 -
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The only reason I have the new camera turned on is because the old camera started breaking the HUD buttons to the left of the statuses ring. Sometimes after a session change they would appear and other times not. If I switched to the new camera they would appear again. and sometimes I was too busy to set it back.
I am slightly visually disabled (if I'm lucky it'll get better) and the Eve UI has been an generally getting harder to use (with some exceptions). Do you just employUI designers with perfect corrected eyesight? |
Cerian Alderoth
Cataclysm Enterprises Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.05.26 04:16:02 -
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Dejara Thoris wrote:I am slightly visually disabled (if I'm lucky it'll get better) and the Eve UI has been an generally getting harder to use (with some exceptions). Do you just employUI designers with perfect corrected eyesight? I got to the same conclusion.
Especially the *new* map, and the *new* scanner interface look like flashbacks from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind": Lots of nervously flashing elements, a random mix of candy cane colors, and limited functionality.
The new camera seems to be faster (rubber band effect) than the last time I checked on Sisi. Kudos But the lack of camera tilting (right-click) or camera tracking with one key (C) render this GUI tool immature. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
336
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Posted - 2016.05.26 13:09:36 -
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I need 2 things for the new camera to keep me as a paid (real actual $$) subscriber:
a) Custom tracking position (I like to actually see my missiles hit the target). 2) Not make me seasick (I'm not a masochist).
We'll find out in 5 days (insert ominous music here).
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Velarra
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Posted - 2016.05.27 11:43:27 -
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The new Camera is utterly terrible, just like the convoluted and useless "new map". With the old camera and some time spent playing around with a citadel you can stop all forced camera pans and rotations at a gate. Best feature of Citadels + old camera. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, and fix problems that don't exist. |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
9
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Posted - 2016.05.28 13:21:39 -
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As others have mentioned, the tracking point is dead center of screen. This needs to be adjustable. The old cam lets you click and drag the tracking point and place it anywhere on screen. This is a must.
Also, a pan speed adjustment when using tracking would sure be nice. As is, I click on something with tracking turned on and the screen turns around instantly. How about a slider to slow it down some?
Other than that, Sometimes when I click on different objects on overview, the camera will spazz out and show my ship way off to the side of the screen rather than pan around my ship to put the selection in view like the old cam. Not sure what the heck is happening there but it needs to be fixed.
Delay removal of the old cam if you must. These things are a make or break for me and judging by this thread and a couple others, im not the only one. |
Cerian Alderoth
Cataclysm Enterprises Pandemic Legion
21
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Posted - 2016.05.28 19:54:36 -
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IMHO
I would feel much more comfortable with the introduction of new features, if it came along with a promptly help center / bug fixing service.
As the case stands today, petitions are replied with mass replies, while bug reports are a pain for everybody involved and rewardless.
The introduction of new features *might* attract new players. But the breaking old features *might* also repel old players.
Let's hope CCP finds a new balance. I like this game. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2690
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Posted - 2016.05.30 05:14:18 -
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Cerian Alderoth wrote:IMHO
I would feel much more comfortable with the introduction of new features, if it came along with a strong help center / bug fixing service.
As the case stands today, petitions are replied with mass replies, while bug reports are a pain for everybody involved and rewardless.
The introduction of new features *might* attract new players. But the breaking old of features *might* repel old players.
Let's hope CCP finds a new balance. I like this game.
i think the new realize scheduled is to fast for ccp to handle past few months the support center keeps talking about how they have been inundated with tickits maybe they need to slow down take a breath and fix all the current bugs(not just with the camera) before releasing more buggy things.
what would also help is if ccp would delay things when we send in a bunch of big reports on sisi......
Citadel worm hole tax
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Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
21
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Posted - 2016.05.30 15:40:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:i think the new realize scheduled is to fast for ccp to handle past few months the support center keeps talking about how they have been inundated with tickits maybe they need to slow down take a breath and fix all the current bugs(not just with the camera) before releasing more buggy things.. The support is doing a great job: That is to say, if they find the time to reply.
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:what would also help is if ccp would delay things when we send in a bunch of big reports on sisi...... http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-tick-tock-model-general.html
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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
140
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Posted - 2016.05.30 17:09:13 -
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I'm with old camera |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1892
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Posted - 2016.05.31 10:05:19 -
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Well, old camera is gone today :(
The new camera is here and in its current form we will still have to provide twice as much input to look up and down than you do to look left and right. In a space game.
Camera zoom is still spongy and springy (with a ratchet-less scroll mouse) all at the same time making it a chore to use. Sure, i can turn the ratchet on and its easier to control, but then i have to roll the scroll wheel multiple times to do what i used to do with one quick flick.
Absurd...
Not quite as absurd as CCPs advice to 'turn off all the features' to make the camera usable. Why not ship this steamer with the options off by default?
It boggles my mind how CCP can even tie their own shoe laces, they struggle with the fundamentals on too many of these 'reworks'. |
Lena Kunzi
C0WB0Y BEB0P
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:27:10 -
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Only 5% were using the old camera. We just are not that many players it would seem. So be nice, eh, maybe someone fixes it. For me today I can't set a custom tracking position, and the zoom always resets. I like it but it isn't fun to fly for me. I'd rather ignore all the graphics an play Eve Online as a bunch of data in windows to tell the truth. Well, I mean yeah, because it's so uncomfortable an incorrect compared to normal flight. I'd just rather not look at all at the screen. If I do there is constant camera center adjustment an zoom level adjustment for each system FOV is askew along with the lack of a custom tracking position. o/ |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1901
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:41:06 -
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That 5% argument falls somewhere in the 'lies, damned lies, and statistics' category.
Not sure which one. |
Lena Kunzi
C0WB0Y BEB0P
2
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:47:59 -
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CCP recently stated at the schedule to remove that part of the game, that only 5% of people were using the old camera. Which would mean the custom parts that camera had as apposed to the newer camera. Troll something else, you are wasting your time IMO. The orbit camera does still work an has functionality similar. I would also mention holding the C key to track some items while in flight still using that orbit camera as it was mentioned that the design was for orbit cam to replace a majority of the old. Hope it helps you fly well again. o/ |
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
44
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:53:54 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Bienator II wrote:could you make the ctrl+mousewheel thing a keybinding? because i tried to unbind it but it is not under shortcuts, or at least i could not find it after a extensive search.
it happens often to me that i accidentally change the FOV while trying to lock targets with ctrl click. Yeah, we are going to do something about this. It is quite annoying. Thank you for fixing this. I still wish I had the option of remapping the scroll FOV or disabling it entirely (since I also use alt for things) but it's not making me ill any more either.
Hey! I don't know about you
but I'm joining CTRL-Q
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Master Fushun
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2016.06.01 15:26:22 -
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TL;DR Can we have an option to have the old tracking function returned? Fighting is kinda disabled for my style of play.
Hi CCP,
I am really finding the lack of tracking "as it was" a difficult adjustment.
I used auto-tracking with the camera zoomed in quite closely to the ship; it's what I found worked best for me when chasing someone, scouting, when reporting someone's direction of warp, or working out an escape from or initiation of combat. Over the last few months I haven't had as much time to play, so I kinda missed all the news that this would be a permanent change so soon.
I just can't do this now.
The problem specifically for me is that I have look away from the monitor to hit C or hold C and I just lose people doing this. If I hit the wrong key, I lose them, if I look away, I lose them. Palying is an unreliable experience. I am unreliable now.
I do not have the sense of situational awareness I once had with the camera NOT automatically swinging to a selected ship via the Overview. It's like inserting a little hoop to jump that just makes the game a fiddle, instead of rock solid; and forces me to think of something, I didn't once have to stop everything to think about.
It's about a fraction of a second, but that fraction of a second is "everything".
This was all second nature, and it worked! And it took ages to get to there!
Surely this playstyle can be accommodated by reinstating the function to hit C, and that would be that for PVP?
CCP do you get where I am coming from? I wish I had not missed an opportunity to engage earlier, but I've been busy of late.
Kind regards, B |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
70
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:13:04 -
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Master Fushun wrote:c¦¦b¦¦a¦¦
TL;DR Can we have an option to have the old tracking function returned? Fighting is kinda disabled for my style of play.
Hi CCP,
I am really finding the lack of tracking "as it was" a difficult adjustment.
I used auto-tracking with the camera zoomed in quite closely to the ship; it's what I found worked best for me when chasing someone, scouting, when reporting someone's direction of warp, or working out an escape from or initiation of combat. Over the last few months I haven't had as much time to play, so I kinda missed all the news that this would be a permanent change so soon.
I just can't do this now.
The problem specifically for me is that I have look away from the monitor to hit C or hold C and I just lose people doing this. If I hit the wrong key, I lose them, if I look away, I lose them. Palying is an unreliable experience. I am unreliable now.
I do not have the sense of situational awareness I once had with the camera NOT automatically swinging to a selected ship via the Overview. It's like inserting a little hoop to jump that just makes the game a fiddle, instead of rock solid; and forces me to think of something, I didn't once have to stop everything to think about.
It's about a fraction of a second, but that fraction of a second is "everything".
This was all second nature, and it worked! And it took ages to get to there!
Surely this playstyle can be accommodated by reinstating the function to hit C, and that would be that for PVP?
CCP do you get where I am coming from? I wish I had not missed an opportunity to engage earlier, but I've been busy of late.
Kind regards, B
I never understood why people delete posts.
My main complaints are the halved vertical sensitivity which is rather annoying. and the violent whip around when tracking.
Those I couldn't fix by tinkering with the optioin
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Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
44
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:15:42 -
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For anyone still struggling with the C key GÇô the new camera does actually have auto-tracking now. You can hotkey it under Shortcuts > Combat > Toggle Auto Tracking.
Hey! I don't know about you
but I'm joining CTRL-Q
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