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FUZZ79
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Posted - 2003.12.17 04:32:00 -
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What is the deal with that and Gee all the skills you have to µearn to use one why not use miner II
And this new ore that has come up where to find it and what does it hold
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.12.17 05:00:00 -
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because the DCM is the only miner capable of digging up mercoxite(sp?), and because its such a rare and valuable ore (necessary for almost everything tech II) they rightly decided that it should take a good amount of time and effort for someone to be able to do it, instead of just anyone in a cruiser with an hour to burn.
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The General
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Posted - 2003.12.17 06:29:00 -
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hmm tell me how many people has them kinda skills to do that wiht. I know 1 person out of everyone i know
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.12.17 06:34:00 -
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Mining 5 and Astrogeology 5? That's a week's work or so for any professional miner (since they'll already be at Mining 4 or 5 and Astrogeology 4)... not hard at all.
Look at it this way: this is the skill that separates professional miners from part-timers, like Gallente Indy 5 is what separates professional haulers from the rest or Production Efficiency 5 for builders.
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Sajuuk Cor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 06:57:00 -
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Err astrogeology lvl 5 is 20+ days to train for most people.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 08:51:00 -
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Err astrogeology lvl 5 is 20+ days to train for most people.
was 15 days and soem hours for me.. 6 days left.... *looks at the deep core mining laser in the hanger* 
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.12.17 08:56:00 -
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stupid miners
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stylish
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:04:00 -
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stupid miners
Respect the miners, they gather your ship out of bare rock.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:17:00 -
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stupid miners
every miner in eve should make him learn a lesson... the lesson being you cant get a ship/module without us mining the minerals for the ships/module
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:19:00 -
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Respect the miners, they gather your ship out of bare rock.
"Uhhh... look my miner is bigger than yours, nha nha nha nha  "
They are always whining.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:22:00 -
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every miner in eve should make him learn a lesson... the lesson being you cant get a ship/module without us mining the minerals for the ships/module
Modules i can get from NPC, the problem are ships, but as soon as they implement a "board" button and a tractor beam that will end.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:28:00 -
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Does the DCM laser fit on any frigate ?
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:31:00 -
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Does the DCM laser fit on any frigate ?
no only tech 2 frigates 
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:32:00 -
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every miner in eve should make him learn a lesson... the lesson being you cant get a ship/module without us mining the minerals for the ships/module
Modules i can get from NPC, the problem are ships, but as soon as they implement a "board" button and a tractor beam that will end.
you cant get tech 2 stuff at all from anything els then the builders and the miners so you can stay in tech 1 if you want 
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:35:00 -
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Where can I buy a tech 2 frigate from ?
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Psy Corp on 17/12/2003 09:37:47
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Where can I buy a tech 2 frigate from ?
you cant  thats the thing you need a tech 2 frigate adn you need the minerals from dcm to build it 
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.17 09:39:00 -
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wtf ??
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.12.17 10:02:00 -
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Err...Is that a joke?
DCM needs 20+ days in training...Due to astogeology lvl5.
That's a point I agree...
You need special lasers...OK...No problem.
You need special frigate...Nice.
BUT you can't buy it because it's up to players to build them...Nice...So it needs morphite to build them? If so, were you get it? From DCM ?
I hope it's a joke..."Fortunately" I cannot play this week...
/me hopes it will be fixed SoonÖ..
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Erzebeth Bathory
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Posted - 2003.12.17 10:04:00 -
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what special frigate? a dcm laser only needs 150 cpu, just put it on a cruiser.
greets
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2003.12.17 10:10:00 -
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no where in the description or the fitting does it say anything bout needing a special frig to use.
I think the frig thing is just a rumor someone started somewhere and people picked up on it
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.17 10:10:00 -
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er, ok. !! COOL !
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.12.17 10:43:00 -
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Nice...
/me will check...
The Frigate thing was established while DCM was still under implementation...
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:01:00 -
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A lot of us people who have been mining a lot have AstroG lvl 5 anyway - so for us, DCM skill is an hour or so.
Catch up with us if you want, or just concentrate on other skills - there are now many more skills, especially for miners and refiners.
Your choice about what skills to train to what lvl - just as our choices might be different.
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Molech
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:02:00 -
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I managed to get 2 on my Thorax.. 150 cpu required. But I have no idea where to find the new ore. Anyone spotted any? Anyone know if i'm never going to be able to mine it unless I have 3 BS's watching over me in 0.0 space?
oh well I better keep exploring.
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:03:00 -
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I think just try mining the giant roids..... like large veld and scord and see what happens....
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:17:00 -
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Yah, then come back here and tell us.
The description says the ore is blasted from common ore...
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:34:00 -
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I tried that last night, mining Veldspar with the Deep Core Mining Lasers and got Veldspar.
I think the Mercoxide ore is probably somewhere in 0.0 space. So will continue to search for it. Hopefully someone will find it soon and we will be able to get it about the time someone has the tech 2 BPs.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.12.17 12:02:00 -
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I tried that last night, mining Veldspar with the Deep Core Mining Lasers and got Veldspar.
I think the Mercoxide ore is probably somewhere in 0.0 space. So will continue to search for it. Hopefully someone will find it soon and we will be able to get it about the time someone has the tech 2 BPs.
Heh... Good luck with that 0.0 search the pirates can catch you as you jump out of warp because the lock on time is decreased by your ships mass. I found myself locked and gagged just warping to 1 belt with 12 plus cruisers around me and these aren't the old style cruisers. |
Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.17 12:51:00 -
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no where in the description or the fitting does it say anything bout needing a special frig to use.
I think the frig thing is just a rumor someone started somewhere and people picked up on it
well they where 1500 cpu befor.. and needed a tech 2 frigate that mayd the requirments go down by 90% or something
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Elithiomel
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Posted - 2003.12.17 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Elithiomel on 17/12/2003 13:32:57
There are two DCM lasers listed in the eve-db
A tech 1 that needs 150cpu and a tech 2 that needs 1500cpu.
The elite mining frigates also have the special ability "90% reduction in cpu use of DCM lasers"
And Astrogeology skill is easy. 18 days including all the prerequisites.
Science 1 i m 0-1 7m, 40s
Science 1 i m 1-2 35m, 42s
Science 1 i m 2-3 3h, 21m, 58s
Science 1 i m 3-4 19h, 2m, 29s
Mining 1 m i 0-1 7m, 18s
Mining 1 m i 1-2 34m
Mining 1 m i 2-3 3h, 12m, 21s
Mining 1 m i 3-4 18h, 8m, 5s
Astrogeology 3 i m 0-1 23m
Astrogeology 3 i m 1-2 1h, 47m, 5s
Astrogeology 3 i m 2-3 10h, 5m, 55s
Astrogeology 3 i m 3-4 2d, 9h, 7m, 28s
Astrogeology 3 i m 4-5 13d, 11h, 8m, 32s
Total 18d, 5h, 41m, 33s
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.12.17 14:25:00 -
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So has anyone found any mercoxite yet? Would be really interested in any reports.
Do we mine just regular ore or is it a separtate ore, mecroxite, that is needed?
Bueller, Bueller, anyone!?!
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Dirty Sanchez
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:44:00 -
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I have the dcm skill i just need to know how to use it any one found out??
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Ranandor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:51:00 -
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I offer myself up for any deep core probing experiments.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:57:00 -
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I offer myself up for any deep core probing experiments.
Morphite is people!
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 17/12/2003 17:19:05
Edited by: Eldariel on 17/12/2003 16:25:33
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So has anyone found any mercoxite yet? Would be really interested in any reports.
Do we mine just regular ore or is it a separtate ore, mecroxite, that is needed?
I vaguely recollect seeing morphite (the end product of DCM) on one of the mid to low end ore information sheets (can't remember which one unfortunately). Check the info for each ore type - it might still be there
Mercoxit ore is in low sec space
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:46:00 -
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It's just hilarious on how ppl are flocking to buy this new laser and the skills to use it, yet they got no clue as to where it's located. Yes, I understand the concept of being ready for when it is found, but what if it's found out in 0.0 space and your a freelancer or in a corp thats in empire space?
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Kintac
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:48:00 -
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Hi,
it doesn¦t work with the normal ore types ( Scordite, Plag,... )
I just tried it
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:04:00 -
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The new ore is VERY, VERY deep in 0.0 space, in spots where the Bistot is (perhaps ark, don't have confirmed sitings of Ark yet).
DCM is currently 100% impossible due to the NPC rats in these areas. 10 BSes couldn't protect a miner from these rats for enough time to mine any meaningful ammount of ore.
You guys that are training DCM right now? If you can't fly a POWERFUL BS with all shield and cap skills, and don't have 5-15 heavily armed friends you're wasting your time until CCP fixes the NPC belt rats.
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:19:00 -
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Thanks Stepping for the information.
Will be looking for a good corp now.
There is no way I can defend myself in 0.0 space even before Castor. Oh I have some good defense skills and some protection skills, but nothing that will protect me from the current Castor NPCs. I don't think my Heavy drones will protect me enough...
Again thanks for the information from everyone. Makes it easier for me not to worry about this right now.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:44:00 -
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Err...Is that a joke?
DCM needs 20+ days in training...Due to astogeology lvl5.
That's a point I agree...
You need special lasers...OK...No problem.
You need special frigate...Nice.
BUT you can't buy it because it's up to players to build them...Nice...So it needs morphite to build them? If so, were you get it? From DCM ?
I hope it's a joke..."Fortunately" I cannot play this week...
/me hopes it will be fixed SoonÖ..
you can mount a DCM laser on other (larger) ships, just not on tech1 frigates, because of the requirements for the laser. You use the DCM laser to mine the meroxite, which is then used by builders with special skills and tools (and trade goods) to build other tech2 ships and items.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 17/12/2003 22:04:18
I've seen it and am omw to mine it.
0.0 of course in a nice hidden belt with no spawns.
Me and my Thorax fitted with 2 DCM lasers
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parthon
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:14:00 -
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Nothing worth this much should be easy to get. I think ccp has done a great job with the pirates and mining in the 0.0 space. Finally those alliances will have to work to get there highend ore instead of it being easy for them
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PERCYDAMAN
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:20:00 -
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well i have found ark and spod way out in 0.0 but haven't found anything that looks like mercoxite. on chaos its a really strange looking roid that looks like its on fire, but that contradicts what we've previously been told.. well ill keep looking...
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:28:00 -
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finally there are enough skills to make the many-million skillpoint yet 0 combat skill
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Nijiyami
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Posted - 2003.12.18 01:46:00 -
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I dont see wat the big deal is about finding this new ore. I found it 12 hours after the patch was updated (was asleep and at work for that 12 hours and thats the only reason it took THAT long). I mean jeez. make an expendable alt (and i emphasize expendable) and u can figure out wat to do from there :P as for mining it, GL to anyone who tries.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:03:00 -
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Well, we were told it would be the core of larger roids and be in Empire space. We were also told you'd need a crew to scoop it up after the miner with the DCM laser blasted it out of the core of a roid. This was due to the fact that it was highly unstable and would dissapate rapidly if exposed to space.
I take it this is not the case. Can anyone confirm this?
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:23:00 -
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I can confirm that it isn't the case--I've tried using the DCML on large 'roids in Empire space.
I have heard reports of it being WAY out there, but they are unconfirmed.
As for me, I'm rather disappointed in CCP, I think it would have been much better had DCM been as originally invisioned. As I said in another thread, it looks like Mercoxite is going to turn into the new 'bistot.'
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:27:00 -
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Yep, thats pretty lame IMO. BEing in an allaince I can get it eventually, but I was hoping this ore/mineral would bring a different dimension to the game. Maybe its just not implemented properly yet. Lets hope its not the next bistot, because that would be pointless.
Personally, I was hoping it would require a little more effor than drag-drop mining. Still hopefull...
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:29:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/screenshots/?screenID=2092
We've been mining it for some hours. Very difficult task. But also very fun.
And when you mine, a gas cloud appear, which deal 140 damage about every 45 seconds. Which means that the gas cloud destroyes usual "jettison cargo cans".
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:34:00 -
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Well atleast its different, but still not what we were told to expect on the CSM's. But then, what really is?
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:35:00 -
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Well atleast its different, but still not what we were told to expect on the CSM's. But then, what really is?
Hehe, true.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:35:00 -
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Very nice dalman.
Question, if you'd care to share, how many people were guarding, did you take any losses, and how much of the stuff have you gotten?
Also, I'd really like to know how much Morphite you get from one refine of Mercoxit.
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Kryptic
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:37:00 -
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I don't know I have DCM but haven't been able to get any mercoxit. I don't know how you're supposed to get it to work but when I can figure it out that'll be good.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 18/12/2003 02:44:39
I don't know the numbers really.
I was guarding all the time. And we only had one miner mining Mercoxit (and another miner mining bistot).
I heard that a refine of 250 merc gave about 500 morphite, but I'm not sure of that.
We were not very many. So, as I said, it was very difficult but very fun.
No ship losses at all during the op, though one of the guarding battleships had to return early to repair after being smacked down to 1000 armor and 3000 structure left.
*edit* "one miner" = one battleship fitted with 5 DCM lasers.
*edit 2*
Oh, and 1 unit merc = 40 m^3. And one refine require 250 units = 10.000 m^3
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:42:00 -
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Ouch.
Hey, thanks for the info.
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Kryptic
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:50:00 -
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My question is what do you have to mine? I mean I thought you could DCM any ore. But when I activated my laser I only got the regular ore.
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