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Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:33:00 - [31] What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you?
Shino Tu Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? Personally I think using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies is about as big a advanatage as you can get..... "Unhappy people expect the world to adapt to them and happy people adapt to the world."
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Shino Tu Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? Personally I think using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies is about as big a advanatage as you can get..... I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. During a Camp, a Carrier isn't used to gank shuttles and haulers. The Carrier is used to support the ships that DO gank shuttles and haulers. And anything else that jumps through the gate. If you had any knowledge of how camps worked, you would not make statements such as: "using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies" since that is absolutely ridiculous.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? That's right, agressively, blowing up newb ships with smart bombs. Way to go. -Karlemgne
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? That's right, agressively, blowing up newb ships with smart bombs. Way to go. -Karlemgne Somebody has to teach the bears that WTZ doesn't equate to immunity
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Dr Slice I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. You mean in the same way that our 5 battleships jumped in to take on your 4 battleship, 2 recon and 1 carrier gatecamp in Otou? The same camp in Otou that jumped Ginger's dread out and docked every other ship before we'd even dropped out of the annoyingly long 70au warp? The retaliation for which was the attempted camp on our station? Lets not kid ourselves here. You came to our system to camp in what you thought was a small group of battleships and then smack them for staying docked. Bringing two carriers + support is hardly engaging 'outnumbered and outgunned'. Of course when we brought out the dread, the fight got a little fairer. Up until that point it had never been undocked, for exactly the reason it was so influential in winning the fight, namely the element of surprise. The second dread definitely helped secure the victory, as up until that point the first dread couldn't take down the carriers tanks fast enough to stop the support ships from going down. Don't also try and kid us that it was a valiant and noble fight on your part, and that cynoing the other two carriers you had waiting to be jumped in from Otou wasn't on your mind. What was the SNOWY crane at our station for? To bring everyone ammo and cups of tea? I guess the liquid ozone in its wreck was purely coincidental. As it turned out it was a good fight. We managed to field enough firepower to take down one carrier, and force the other one to retreat. We also prevented you from jumping in reinforcements from Otou, minimising our losses and ensuring that we held the field. If you'd have jumped the backup in, we probably would have lost. If we'd been unable to get the second dread to arrive, we'd probably have lost. As it stands, your ships stayed and fought until the end. There was minimal smack (during and after the fight anyway), it wasn't an ecm/nos/nano fest like many potentially good fights turn out to be, it was just a straight up slugfest. It was an honourable showing on SNOWY's part and both sides fought tooth and nail to win, but only one did. So lets keep this as a kudos thread and not try and turn it into a "omg SNOWY attacked an evil TURBY blob because they're just that 1337" thread. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Damien Smith Originally by: Dr Slice I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. You mean in the same way that our 5 battleships jumped in to take on your 4 battleship, 2 recon and 1 carrier gatecamp in Otou? The same camp in Otou that jumped Ginger's dread out and docked every other ship before we'd even dropped out of the annoyingly long 70au warp? The retaliation for which was the attempted camp on our station? Lets not kid ourselves here. You came to our system to camp in what you thought was a small group of battleships and then smack them for staying docked. Bringing two carriers + support is hardly engaging 'outnumbered and outgunned'. Of course when we brought out the dread, the fight got a little fairer. Up until that point it had never been undocked, for exactly the reason it was so influential in winning the fight, namely the element of surprise. The second dread definitely helped secure the victory, as up until that point the first dread couldn't take down the carriers tanks fast enough to stop the support ships from going down. Don't also try and kid us that it was a valiant and noble fight on your part, and that cynoing the other two carriers you had waiting to be jumped in from Otou wasn't on your mind. What was the SNOWY crane at our station for? To bring everyone ammo and cups of tea? I guess the liquid ozone in its wreck was purely coincidental. As it turned out it was a good fight. We managed to field enough firepower to take down one carrier, and force the other one to retreat. We also prevented you from jumping in reinforcements from Otou, minimising our losses and ensuring that we held the field. If you'd have jumped the backup in, we probably would have lost. If we'd been unable to get the second dread to arrive, we'd probably have lost. As it stands, your ships stayed and fought until the end. There was minimal smack (during and after the fight anyway), it wasn't an ecm/nos/nano fest like many potentially good fights turn out to be, it was just a straight up slugfest. It was an honourable showing on SNOWY's part and both sides fought tooth and nail to win, but only one did. So lets keep this as a kudos thread and not try and turn it into a "omg SNOWY attacked an evil TURBY blob because they're just that 1337" thread. I agree with your post. I will add one thing however, which I think you already know but failed to outline. When there is a camp, the ships involved are not fit for a straight up engagement. They are fit with light tanks, alot of tackle including modules for tackle support such as remote sensor boosters and remote repairers. When a 5-man BS gang comes along to engage, fit for a straight up engagement, regardless if the camp ships outnumber it, it would generally be unwise for the camp to remain while flagged to sentries, to slug it out. Retreat in this situation is the best decision. Some see this as cowardice for some strange reason, I see it as wise. As I said, I'm sure you know this, but its worth pointing it out to those who don't know.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:46:00 - [39] LOL GUYZ DON'T YOU GET IT LOWSEC PIRACY = KILLING NOOBS KEKEKEKE every one can stop posting now
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:16:00 - [40] Edited by: tiller on 27/02/2007 06:16:27 One thing to always remember, gate camp setup ships are fast locking tackle boats often with little dps or so tuned to one particular role in their gang that they are useless in a fight like this. If we are at a gate with 7-8 guys and 5 BS jump in with the intent to engage us of course we will warp. We had the upperhand initially, then the table turned with the two dreads arriving. Whatever the outcome was though, it was a nice end to a awesome gatecamp. If Ginger had managed to dock, which he was very close too, the fight would of ended with nice even losses... shame :-( btw, don't knock smartbombing WTZ till you've tried it. In a busy system you sustain over 30 kills per hr just from the bomber alone.. it brings in quite alot of isk and has you grinning from ear to ear. edit: im getting sick of everyone killing my alt, he alone is keeping eve's caldari transport ship market alive
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Damien Smith on 27/02/2007 08:15:08 Originally by: tiller One thing to always remember, gate camp setup ships are fast locking tackle boats often with little dps or so tuned to one particular role in their gang that they are useless in a fight like this. If we are at a gate with 7-8 guys and 5 BS jump in with the intent to engage us of course we will warp. Yeah, we did notice the smartbomb/sensor boosting rokh etc, we just figured the other bs's and at least the carrier would have been fitted to fight. We've been jumped during camps too often not to fit our ships to take on a decent gang while taking sentries (/me waves at the Ostingele gank squads). I guess with a remote repping carrier you can lean more towards the tackling and niche setups like smartbombers. I guess it makes little difference as long as you get the kills. Originally by: tiller We had the upperhand initially, then the table turned with the two dreads arriving. Whatever the outcome was though, it was a nice end to a awesome gatecamp. Yeah, for sure. Even if we'd have lost we'd have still considered that an awesome fight. Originally by: tiller If Ginger had managed to dock, which he was very close too, the fight would of ended with nice even losses... shame :-( I got told off for bumping him because I messed the dreads tracking up. I guess it was worth it. Originally by: tiller edit: im getting sick of everyone killing my alt, he alone is keeping eve's caldari transport ship market alive We lost one the other day too. Dumbass corpmate decided to jump though a high sec/low sec gate after being told a scout was on its way and to stay put. Even the #2 pirate corp in all of eve makes mistakes now and again. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:19:00 - [42] Nice to hear ginger got a decent fight and not just a big club noone could avoid getting hammered by for once. For thoose bashing the losses of carriers, well, try yourself to gatecamp at the exact same place day out and day in. gives people ample time to get to know exactly what they'll need to overpower you with ease. I think its great he actually uses a cap ship and is decently calm about lossing one now and then. I hope I'll get to participate in a fight vs the snowy camp sometime in the future without knowing beforehand that it can be only one way for it to end.
nefertiti II	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:47:00 - [43] GINGER MAGICIAN = GOOD FIGHT OMG what the hell is going on thats a first no logging off no cheating, has ginger finally lost his touch? Fair play though ginge if you didnt log off! Its a cheats way out logging off and if you didnt log off good going! its about time you guys fought fair :)
MISS NAUGHTY Minmatar Lasleinur Production	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:50:00 - [44] he must have forgot where his power down button was nef. remember ginger im your god
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:22:00 - [45] sounds like this is more funn than missions and mining :P
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Dr Slice When a 5-man BS gang comes along to engage, fit for a straight up engagement, regardless if the camp ships outnumber it, it would generally be unwise for the camp to remain while flagged to sentries, to slug it out. i dunno because i use the same fit on a gate camp as i would on fleet fight so i pwn all the time

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