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TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.25 23:43:00 - [1] i would like to say good fight to snowy and to say ginger didnt log off to save his pod and nor did tiller wich is good to see :) gf guys
Johnny thorir Caldari Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 00:07:00 - [2] gf, Was nice to be a part of killing Ginger Magician Carrier :P
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.26 00:11:00 - [3] GJ guys. Any nice lewt?
Redglare's Demise Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.02.26 00:16:00 - [4] A lifespan of an eyelash is approximately 150 days.
vile56 Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.26 00:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Redglare's Demise A lifespan of an eyelash is approximately 150 days. o rly?
Jogvan g guild	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:33:00 - [6] More info please. Did ginger lose another carrier?
Arekhon Minmatar Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Redglare's Demise A lifespan of an eyelash is approximately 150 days. My cousin has a cat.....
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Jogvan More info please. Did ginger lose another carrier? Yeah he did. We had a quite enjoyable fight that ended in the loss of his thanatos and pod. Both sides took support losses but thankfully the only cap ship wreck left after the fight was GM's and we held the field, and therefore looting rights. A good fight was had by all and hopefully we'll cross swords again. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Redglare's Demise A lifespan of an eyelash is approximately 150 days. My cousin has a cat..... im stroking my own whoopy...oh wait _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:19:00 - [10] ROFL.....
Vandamsel Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:24:00 - [11] nice job guys
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 07:58:00 - [12] Fame has its own drawbacks, in this case it's that everyone knows where to find you. F4T4L - Recruitment
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:56:00 - [13] Edited by: tiller on 26/02/2007 08:52:59 blobbers
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:50:00 - [14] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 26/02/2007 08:52:59 blobbers lol dont cry tiller come one you told us to undock and come get some so we did :)
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:25:00 - [15] Originally by: TheJacko Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 26/02/2007 08:52:59 blobbers lol dont cry tiller come one you told us to undock and come get some so we did :) ...and we would of won if it were not for those pesky dreads
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Ginger Magician on 26/02/2007 11:30:21 Well there goes anothe carrier At least got a decent fight this time and a number of kills.Shame u couldnt win with your own corp and had to call in your dreadnought friend but still this was one of the best fights I had in my carrier career and it was nice to able to actually have cap and tank and not face overwhelming numbers/ecm as I normally have to. Interestingly the 5 ships that u lost in this engagement were put at a total loss of 1.543bill on battleclinic.While I know that this is not that accurate it kinda puts this rather phyrric victory in perspective.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:59:00 - [17] Originally by: TheJacko i would like to say good fight to snowy and to say ginger didnt log off to save his pod and nor did tiller wich is good to see :) gf guys I know that tiller isn't a logger in general and I doubt ginger is either as both of them have been around long enough to know how to save their pods. The only time I imagine they log is if the field is completely packed and the lag is heavy, understandable if they have a lot of implants. I personally never bother logging to save pod as I never run that expensive implants. If lag wasn't bad in eve you wouldn't see any decent pvpers logging.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 26/02/2007 11:30:21 Well there goes anothe carrier At least got a decent fight this time and a number of kills.Shame u couldnt win with your own corp and had to call in your dreadnought friend but still this was one of the best fights I had in my carrier career and it was nice to able to actually have cap and tank and not face overwhelming numbers/ecm as I normally have to. The dread 'friend' was a turby members character, but just wasn't in the corp. Besides, he got cyno'd in quite far into the fight due to a gang screwup meaning he couldn't be there from the start. Making sure both the second dread pilot and the cynoer were in the same gang before dropping would probably have drastically reduced our support losses, but stuff happens, what can you do? Those 2 carriers put out some insane damage, kudos to both the pilots. I don't know about the 1.543bil, but if 2 Megathrons, 2 Astartes and a Raven comes to that, then fair enough. No one claimed it was a flawless victory. We killed a SNOWY Raven, Phoon, 2 Drakes, a Crane (cynoing in backup?) and of course the Thanatos, as well as 2 pods. With insurance and looting rights none of the guys who lost ships ended up out of pocket. All in all it was a nice, balanced fight and it could have easily gone either way. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Johnny thorir Caldari Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 26/02/2007 11:30:21 Well there goes anothe carrier At least got a decent fight this time and a number of kills.Shame u couldnt win with your own corp and had to call in your dreadnought friend but still this was one of the best fights I had in my carrier career and it was nice to able to actually have cap and tank and not face overwhelming numbers/ecm as I normally have to. Interestingly the 5 ships that u lost in this engagement were put at a total loss of 1.543bill on battleclinic.While I know that this is not that accurate it kinda puts this rather phyrric victory in perspective. Battleclinic loss calculations are redicouless for the record. My nighthawk sayse its 840 mill loss. All the stuff i needed to buy back and including ship was worh 251 mill. Plus we looted all your stuff for example 7 fiughters whice gives us 140 mill nearly..... So when you got full losses we got some of the stuff back plus more loot to sell to give to those who lost ships.......
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Damien Smith Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 26/02/2007 11:30:21 Well there goes anothe carrier At least got a decent fight this time and a number of kills.Shame u couldnt win with your own corp and had to call in your dreadnought friend but still this was one of the best fights I had in my carrier career and it was nice to able to actually have cap and tank and not face overwhelming numbers/ecm as I normally have to. The dread 'friend' was a turby members character, but just wasn't in the corp. Besides, he got cyno'd in quite far into the fight due to a gang screwup meaning he couldn't be there from the start. Making sure both the second dread pilot and the cynoer were in the same gang before dropping would probably have drastically reduced our support losses, but stuff happens, what can you do? Those 2 carriers put out some insane damage, kudos to both the pilots. I don't know about the 1.543bil, but if 2 Megathrons, 2 Astartes and a Raven comes to that, then fair enough. No one claimed it was a flawless victory. We killed a SNOWY Raven, Phoon, 2 Drakes, a Crane (cynoing in backup?) and of course the Thanatos, as well as 2 pods. With insurance and looting rights none of the guys who lost ships ended up out of pocket. All in all it was a nice, balanced fight and it could have easily gone either way. Yes, nobody from your crew claimed it was a flawless victory. But you guys also didn't mention any losses earlier in the thread. So from a point of view, its like you guys killed a carrier and thats all that happened.
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Ginger Magician this was one of the best fights I had in my carrier career and it was nice to able to actually have cap and tank and not face overwhelming numbers/ecm as I normally have to. I know exactly what u mean. Although ewar/nos warfare play important parts of pvp, sometimes it's nice to have a good slug fest, just pure dmg against tank and ships exploding everywhere. especially in a carrier. sounds like a fun fight. DE
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Ginger Magician Yes, nobody from your crew claimed it was a flawless victory. But you guys also didn't mention any losses earlier in the thread. Originally by: Damien Smith Both sides took support losses... We didn't? News to me... ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Damien Smith Originally by: Ginger Magician Yes, nobody from your crew claimed it was a flawless victory. But you guys also didn't mention any losses earlier in the thread. Originally by: Damien Smith Both sides took support losses... We didn't? News to me... That was the 8th post down lol, not exactly early in the thread. Regardless, was a good fight. After the first two Turby posts in this thread, I was curious how long it would take before losses were mentioned on both sides, not just ours.
ZuN3 OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:59:00 - [24] Argh wtf, I was going to log in about 3/4 of an hour ago but got distracted :[ Nice to see minimal flaming though so far in this thread. Sounded like a good fight.
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:03:00 - [25] Originally by: ZuN3 Argh wtf, I was going to log in about 3/4 of an hour ago but got distracted :[ Nice to see minimal flaming though so far in this thread. Sounded like a good fight. Ah were snowy trying to just gank your noobs frigs and shuttles with 25 carrier as the usually do. that's all they can kill. plus they all log off to save their pods. oh and they always exploit too ahhhhh now it's a proper thread about Snowy DE
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Slice That was the 8th post down lol, not exactly early in the thread. Regardless, was a good fight. After the first two Turby posts in this thread, I was curious how long it would take before losses were mentioned on both sides, not just ours. None of us knew he'd made the thread, and jacko's not well known for elaborating much, which is why the second turby post, mine, mentioned them. But yeah, regardless of anything else, it was an enjoyable fight. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
ZuN3 OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:14:00 - [27] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: ZuN3 Argh wtf, I was going to log in about 3/4 of an hour ago but got distracted :[ Nice to see minimal flaming though so far in this thread. Sounded like a good fight. Ah were snowy trying to just gank your noobs frigs and shuttles with 25 carrier as the usually do. that's all they can kill. plus they all log off to save their pods. oh and they always exploit too ahhhhh now it's a proper thread about Snowy DE There is infact a velator on the carrier kill mail which amused me slightly :D
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:57:00 - [28] Originally by: ZuN3 There is infact a velator on the carrier kill mail which amused me slightly :D Haha, yeah. Pop our ships and we'll continue the fight in noob ships, pop those and we'll bump you to death with our pods. Never surrender! ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:01:00 - [29] Originally by: TheJacko i would like to say good fight to snowy and to say ginger didnt log off to save his pod and nor did tiller wich is good to see :) gf guys The "best" pvper in EvE and his "second best" sidekick lose yet again.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: TheJacko i would like to say good fight to snowy and to say ginger didnt log off to save his pod and nor did tiller wich is good to see :) gf guys The "best" pvper in EvE and his "second best" sidekick lose yet again. pushes Karlemgne back under his bridge
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:33:00 - [31] What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world.
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you?
Shino Tu Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? Personally I think using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies is about as big a advanatage as you can get..... "Unhappy people expect the world to adapt to them and happy people adapt to the world."
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Shino Tu Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? Personally I think using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies is about as big a advanatage as you can get..... I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. During a Camp, a Carrier isn't used to gank shuttles and haulers. The Carrier is used to support the ships that DO gank shuttles and haulers. And anything else that jumps through the gate. If you had any knowledge of how camps worked, you would not make statements such as: "using a carrier to gank shuttles/indies" since that is absolutely ridiculous.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? That's right, agressively, blowing up newb ships with smart bombs. Way to go. -Karlemgne
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tunajuice What is this, 30 carriers he has lost? Worst pilot in the world. 30? Nice exaggeration there. Worst pilot? No, try most aggressive carrier pilot in Eve. Most Cap Ship pilots I know only use theirs when they have the advantage. How about you? That's right, agressively, blowing up newb ships with smart bombs. Way to go. -Karlemgne Somebody has to teach the bears that WTZ doesn't equate to immunity
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Dr Slice I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. You mean in the same way that our 5 battleships jumped in to take on your 4 battleship, 2 recon and 1 carrier gatecamp in Otou? The same camp in Otou that jumped Ginger's dread out and docked every other ship before we'd even dropped out of the annoyingly long 70au warp? The retaliation for which was the attempted camp on our station? Lets not kid ourselves here. You came to our system to camp in what you thought was a small group of battleships and then smack them for staying docked. Bringing two carriers + support is hardly engaging 'outnumbered and outgunned'. Of course when we brought out the dread, the fight got a little fairer. Up until that point it had never been undocked, for exactly the reason it was so influential in winning the fight, namely the element of surprise. The second dread definitely helped secure the victory, as up until that point the first dread couldn't take down the carriers tanks fast enough to stop the support ships from going down. Don't also try and kid us that it was a valiant and noble fight on your part, and that cynoing the other two carriers you had waiting to be jumped in from Otou wasn't on your mind. What was the SNOWY crane at our station for? To bring everyone ammo and cups of tea? I guess the liquid ozone in its wreck was purely coincidental. As it turned out it was a good fight. We managed to field enough firepower to take down one carrier, and force the other one to retreat. We also prevented you from jumping in reinforcements from Otou, minimising our losses and ensuring that we held the field. If you'd have jumped the backup in, we probably would have lost. If we'd been unable to get the second dread to arrive, we'd probably have lost. As it stands, your ships stayed and fought until the end. There was minimal smack (during and after the fight anyway), it wasn't an ecm/nos/nano fest like many potentially good fights turn out to be, it was just a straight up slugfest. It was an honourable showing on SNOWY's part and both sides fought tooth and nail to win, but only one did. So lets keep this as a kudos thread and not try and turn it into a "omg SNOWY attacked an evil TURBY blob because they're just that 1337" thread. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Damien Smith Originally by: Dr Slice I'll clear this up for you. Our engagement vs. Turbulent is what we are talking about. We engaged outnumbered and outgunned. You mean in the same way that our 5 battleships jumped in to take on your 4 battleship, 2 recon and 1 carrier gatecamp in Otou? The same camp in Otou that jumped Ginger's dread out and docked every other ship before we'd even dropped out of the annoyingly long 70au warp? The retaliation for which was the attempted camp on our station? Lets not kid ourselves here. You came to our system to camp in what you thought was a small group of battleships and then smack them for staying docked. Bringing two carriers + support is hardly engaging 'outnumbered and outgunned'. Of course when we brought out the dread, the fight got a little fairer. Up until that point it had never been undocked, for exactly the reason it was so influential in winning the fight, namely the element of surprise. The second dread definitely helped secure the victory, as up until that point the first dread couldn't take down the carriers tanks fast enough to stop the support ships from going down. Don't also try and kid us that it was a valiant and noble fight on your part, and that cynoing the other two carriers you had waiting to be jumped in from Otou wasn't on your mind. What was the SNOWY crane at our station for? To bring everyone ammo and cups of tea? I guess the liquid ozone in its wreck was purely coincidental. As it turned out it was a good fight. We managed to field enough firepower to take down one carrier, and force the other one to retreat. We also prevented you from jumping in reinforcements from Otou, minimising our losses and ensuring that we held the field. If you'd have jumped the backup in, we probably would have lost. If we'd been unable to get the second dread to arrive, we'd probably have lost. As it stands, your ships stayed and fought until the end. There was minimal smack (during and after the fight anyway), it wasn't an ecm/nos/nano fest like many potentially good fights turn out to be, it was just a straight up slugfest. It was an honourable showing on SNOWY's part and both sides fought tooth and nail to win, but only one did. So lets keep this as a kudos thread and not try and turn it into a "omg SNOWY attacked an evil TURBY blob because they're just that 1337" thread. I agree with your post. I will add one thing however, which I think you already know but failed to outline. When there is a camp, the ships involved are not fit for a straight up engagement. They are fit with light tanks, alot of tackle including modules for tackle support such as remote sensor boosters and remote repairers. When a 5-man BS gang comes along to engage, fit for a straight up engagement, regardless if the camp ships outnumber it, it would generally be unwise for the camp to remain while flagged to sentries, to slug it out. Retreat in this situation is the best decision. Some see this as cowardice for some strange reason, I see it as wise. As I said, I'm sure you know this, but its worth pointing it out to those who don't know.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:46:00 - [39] LOL GUYZ DON'T YOU GET IT LOWSEC PIRACY = KILLING NOOBS KEKEKEKE every one can stop posting now
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:16:00 - [40] Edited by: tiller on 27/02/2007 06:16:27 One thing to always remember, gate camp setup ships are fast locking tackle boats often with little dps or so tuned to one particular role in their gang that they are useless in a fight like this. If we are at a gate with 7-8 guys and 5 BS jump in with the intent to engage us of course we will warp. We had the upperhand initially, then the table turned with the two dreads arriving. Whatever the outcome was though, it was a nice end to a awesome gatecamp. If Ginger had managed to dock, which he was very close too, the fight would of ended with nice even losses... shame :-( btw, don't knock smartbombing WTZ till you've tried it. In a busy system you sustain over 30 kills per hr just from the bomber alone.. it brings in quite alot of isk and has you grinning from ear to ear. edit: im getting sick of everyone killing my alt, he alone is keeping eve's caldari transport ship market alive
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Damien Smith on 27/02/2007 08:15:08 Originally by: tiller One thing to always remember, gate camp setup ships are fast locking tackle boats often with little dps or so tuned to one particular role in their gang that they are useless in a fight like this. If we are at a gate with 7-8 guys and 5 BS jump in with the intent to engage us of course we will warp. Yeah, we did notice the smartbomb/sensor boosting rokh etc, we just figured the other bs's and at least the carrier would have been fitted to fight. We've been jumped during camps too often not to fit our ships to take on a decent gang while taking sentries (/me waves at the Ostingele gank squads). I guess with a remote repping carrier you can lean more towards the tackling and niche setups like smartbombers. I guess it makes little difference as long as you get the kills. Originally by: tiller We had the upperhand initially, then the table turned with the two dreads arriving. Whatever the outcome was though, it was a nice end to a awesome gatecamp. Yeah, for sure. Even if we'd have lost we'd have still considered that an awesome fight. Originally by: tiller If Ginger had managed to dock, which he was very close too, the fight would of ended with nice even losses... shame :-( I got told off for bumping him because I messed the dreads tracking up. I guess it was worth it. Originally by: tiller edit: im getting sick of everyone killing my alt, he alone is keeping eve's caldari transport ship market alive We lost one the other day too. Dumbass corpmate decided to jump though a high sec/low sec gate after being told a scout was on its way and to stay put. Even the #2 pirate corp in all of eve makes mistakes now and again. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:19:00 - [42] Nice to hear ginger got a decent fight and not just a big club noone could avoid getting hammered by for once. For thoose bashing the losses of carriers, well, try yourself to gatecamp at the exact same place day out and day in. gives people ample time to get to know exactly what they'll need to overpower you with ease. I think its great he actually uses a cap ship and is decently calm about lossing one now and then. I hope I'll get to participate in a fight vs the snowy camp sometime in the future without knowing beforehand that it can be only one way for it to end.
nefertiti II	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:47:00 - [43] GINGER MAGICIAN = GOOD FIGHT OMG what the hell is going on thats a first no logging off no cheating, has ginger finally lost his touch? Fair play though ginge if you didnt log off! Its a cheats way out logging off and if you didnt log off good going! its about time you guys fought fair :)
MISS NAUGHTY Minmatar Lasleinur Production	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:50:00 - [44] he must have forgot where his power down button was nef. remember ginger im your god
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:22:00 - [45] sounds like this is more funn than missions and mining :P
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Dr Slice When a 5-man BS gang comes along to engage, fit for a straight up engagement, regardless if the camp ships outnumber it, it would generally be unwise for the camp to remain while flagged to sentries, to slug it out. i dunno because i use the same fit on a gate camp as i would on fleet fight so i pwn all the time

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