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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:23:41 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Maekchu wrote:Let us just agree to disagree then Lucas, cause it is clear to me that we hold two different views of society and individuals. A discussion wouldn't really lead to anything. Potentially, though I think if you were to be honest with yourself you are aware of many generalisations around people's employment. I mean who do you think is more likely to be physically stronger, a bricklayer or a banker? Maekchu wrote:But personally, I would consider a person who looks down on someone purely based on their job as "immature". I found your initial comment ironic, which is why I responded to it, given you being in favor of the eve forums being much more mature than reddit. So would I, but seeing that I'm a reddit poster, and that I'm not looking down on the job, simply making an observation about a type of person. An observation made quite commonly I might add. Maekchu wrote:In the end, my opinion on eve forums vs r/eve is that it honestly is a pointless comparison. Both mediums have their share of bad posts and brilliant posts. Use what you find comfortable to use yourself. I also support CCP gathering information/player feedback from more than only the official forums. Having more diverse feedback gives them a more nuanced picture of their game and provides more data for them to work with. There we will have to disagree. r/eve is biased in favour of the groups that run it. If CCP were to start posting info first onto something awful forums, people would explode with rage about how CCP are working with goons. Working with TEST is apparently fine. We are a minority group on r eve
Yea, you got edged out by Horde.
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"Damn it, you said no more downvote brigades!" - reddit.
"Who run r/Eve?"- Pandemic Horde.
"Horde run r/Eve."- reddit.
"Say again, louder." - Pandemic Horde, flips on PA speakers.
"Pandemic Horde!" - reddit.
"Pandemic Horde, what?" - PH
"Pandemic Horde, run r/Eve." reddit
"Downvote brigade, lifted." PH
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5122
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:41:54 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The main difference between here and Reddit is that on Reddit I have made points and inquiries in threads the a dev would reply to within the day, either directly or in the reply chain, whereas here in the "official" forums we can have 50 pages of people begging for some clarity or any kind of answer on any kind of topic and get absolutely nothing (save for editing from an ISD because they won't kick out the trolls).
Devs on EVE forums are like eagles: We don't have them anymore...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
14129
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:14:52 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The main difference between here and Reddit is that on Reddit I have made points and inquiries in threads the a dev would reply to within the day, either directly or in the reply chain, whereas here in the "official" forums we can have 50 pages of people begging for some clarity or any kind of answer on any kind of topic and get absolutely nothing (save for editing from an ISD because they won't kick out the trolls). Devs on EVE forums are like eagles: We don't have them anymore...
To a DEV, This forum is like an Eagle flying into a wood chipper: ie you don't do it if aren't crazy. Go to the upcoming features forum and look at any thread where CCP Rise has posted for example, madness ensues (in the form of "you should lose your job" posts).
On reddit we can downvote the unduly abusive smucks into oblivion, on these forums the worst you can do is call them an abusive smuck and report them, hoping an ISD eventually agrees that said poster is an abusive smuck lol. If i worked for CCP I wouldn't post on these forums unless the company made me do it, and if they made me do it I too would probably end up at Riot Games lol.
I've only been interacting with Reddit for a few months, didn't like it at first because of how the site is layed out. Before that I'd have probably had the same kind of reaction others have here (ie "but this is THE eve forum, they should post here!"). Hell, i think I have had that reaction.
Now after some time at Reddit I totally understand. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
488
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:32:25 -
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I'm active on both /r/eve and the EVE forums. (And FHC for what it's worth.) I find /r/eve vastly more informative about events in the game. Wars, migrations, dunks - they get way, way more exposure on /r/eve than here. GD has more people ranting about some aspect of the game without offering any fixes, or asking a question which has likely been asked before (which is legit, I have questions myself, but that's no foundation for an interesting online interaction) or reporting some issue they've encountered. I skim the EVE forums (and spend a fair bit of time in the EVE Technology and Research Center section because interesting stuff gets discussed there often) but the majority of my EVE-related reading happens in /r/eve and FHC because I hear about what people are actually doing and I can converse with the people playing in systems near me. I also find the discussions about the game itself to be of higher quality on /r/eve since redundant and inflammatory posts here are just as prominent as interesting and contributive posts whereas they fall to the bottom on /r/eve. |
Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7769
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:41:08 -
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Kai Loom wrote:Why do CCP post on /r/eve? https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/
Nearly 600k uniques a month 15 mil page views a month 800k page views a day The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not. /r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not. That's some god awful PR bro.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:25:18 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kai Loom wrote:Why do CCP post on /r/eve? https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/
Nearly 600k uniques a month 15 mil page views a month 800k page views a day The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not. /r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not. That's some god awful PR bro.
One of my friends wanted to try Eve, he went on reddit to find out more about the game and now refuses to play it because of reddit. So yeah, that is some God awful PR.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Stain Confederation
539
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:41:01 -
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I think even this thread is an example of why the eve forums are superior to reddit. Each post is fairly well written and contributing to an interesting discussion even though I don't agree with everything.
Now if this was on reddit we'd get a one sided discussion with the majority of the posts from irrelevant people who probably aren't even subbed jumping on the bandwagon and spamming memes.
I've used reddit a few times and it's just an echo chamber like much of social media with little interesting discussion. One thing reddit is good for is for getting up to date info on events in the game, but then I'd go elsewhere to read up on them.
FHC is very good too, although it always seems a bit dead even compared to these forums.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
59
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Posted - 2016.05.23 21:43:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kai Loom wrote:Why do CCP post on /r/eve? https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/
Nearly 600k uniques a month 15 mil page views a month 800k page views a day The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not. /r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not. That's some god awful PR bro.
Seems to be working out well for them. At first, I felt bad for you because I thought you were just dense. Now, I realize you just go out of your way to be a pain in the ass. Your constant trolling trying to play devils advocate is off putting. GD has no discussion. It's a long list of whining posts from people like you. You complain about personal attacks on /r/eve then insult anyone who may be a reddit user. gg |
Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7782
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Posted - 2016.05.23 22:08:23 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:Seems to be working out well for them. *looks at EVE offline* Maybe not. Even the war to destroy goons hasn't got the population out of the trenches. Good thing they've got all these microtransactions keeping them going.
Bro, personal attacks get you nowhere. And to be quite honest, if you don't like the discussion here, why are you here?
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
59
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Posted - 2016.05.23 22:51:58 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Cien Banchiere wrote:Seems to be working out well for them. *looks at EVE offline* Maybe not. Even the war to destroy goons hasn't got the population out of the trenches. Good thing they've got all these microtransactions keeping them going. Bro, personal attacks get you nowhere. And to be quite honest, if you don't like the discussion here, why are you here?
It's not the discussion I don't like. It's people like you who go out of their way to derail the discussion and cry victim I don't like. |
Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7782
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Posted - 2016.05.24 06:58:13 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:It's not the discussion I don't like. It's people like you who go out of their way to derail the discussion and cry victim I don't like. Good thing I've done neither of those things. I've been here having a discussion then you've come around lobbing insults and attacks at me because you have no counterpoints.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17728
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Posted - 2016.05.24 07:26:28 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Cien Banchiere wrote:It's not the discussion I don't like. It's people like you who go out of their way to derail the discussion and cry victim I don't like. Good thing I've done neither of those things. I've been here having a discussion then you've come around lobbing insults and attacks at me because you have no counterpoints.
You have to admit that the list of things you're incredibly salty about is growing inexorably.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
446
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Posted - 2016.05.24 07:51:32 -
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Anyone got a link to Reditt? r/eve? or hopefully specifically the thread on there for the SP for Rats thing? |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1712
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Posted - 2016.05.24 08:10:41 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:Anyone got a link to Reditt? r/eve? or hopefully specifically the thread on there for the SP for Rats thing?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4k2l5o/dailies_are_upon_us_launching_24th_of_may/
That'll be 150.000 isk then. :) |
Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7783
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Posted - 2016.05.24 09:37:40 -
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Malcanis wrote:You have to admit that the list of things you're incredibly salty about is growing inexorably. I just tried to write a list of things I'm salty about and ended up with an empty sheet of paper. The list of things I have opinions about is massive though.
Sometimes I wonder if some of you take this game too seriously if you think people are getting upset over it.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17733
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Posted - 2016.05.24 15:06:30 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Malcanis wrote:You have to admit that the list of things you're incredibly salty about is growing inexorably. I just tried to write a list of things I'm salty about and ended up with an empty sheet of paper. The list of things I have opinions about is massive though. Sometimes I wonder if some of you take this game too seriously if you think people are getting upset over it.
Ah yes, the time honoured NO U rebuttal. As elegant and effective as Cato's speech detailing the habits and corpulence of Hannibal's mother.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7789
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Posted - 2016.05.24 15:18:50 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ah yes, the time honoured NO U rebuttal. As elegant and effective as Cato's speech detailing the habits and corpulence of Hannibal's mother. If it were a "no u" rebuttal then I would have said you were salty. I didn't, so it's not. I simply pointed out how seriously one must take the game to consider any and all negative opinions as tears. Believe it or not, many people can actually hold opinions without the high levels of emotional involvement required to lead to tears.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:47:26 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ah yes, the time honoured NO U rebuttal. As elegant and effective as Cato's speech detailing the habits and corpulence of Hannibal's mother. If it were a "no u" rebuttal then I would have said you were salty. I didn't, so it's not. I simply pointed out how seriously one must take the game to consider any and all negative opinions as tears. Believe it or not, many people can actually hold opinions without the high levels of emotional involvement required to lead to tears.
It's more the overall pattern. Almost every single opinion you voice is negative, so it comes across very much as salt. Lots of salt.
Whether that is what you intend or not, it's the strong message that comes through simply because your opinions rarely if ever say anything positive; and those that do (eg. Generally about nerfs to certain play) are always in the context of how it's great because screw other play styles, which also just comes across as negative.
So yeah. Pretty much salt. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
534
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Posted - 2016.05.25 00:27:12 -
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The force of the bitter vet is strong on Eve forums.
That may be because CCP seems to have lost interest in their official forum. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1360
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Posted - 2016.05.25 00:49:28 -
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Eve-O forums: Dark and pretty in keeping with the spirit of the game. Like the game, a haven away from the chittering abuse of the Infotainment Supertoilet.
Reddit: Ugly, basically an organised version of the conversations people used to scribble on loading dock walls and the back of bathroom doors, same hateful idiocy shouting down anything it can.
Yeah reddit has a broader range, but it can get noisy and poisonous.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7799
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Posted - 2016.05.25 06:55:22 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:It's more the overall pattern. Almost every single opinion you voice is negative, so it comes across very much as salt. Lots of salt.
Whether that is what you intend or not, it's the strong message that comes through simply because your opinions rarely if ever say anything positive; and those that do (eg. Generally about nerfs to certain play) are always in the context of how it's great because screw other play styles, which also just comes across as negative.
So yeah. Pretty much salt. Clearly you don't read enough of my opinions. Again though, negative opinions are not the same as salt. And at the end of the day, no matter how positive the opinion, someone will find it negative to them. If you want to sit around going "oh the salt!" feel free, but understand that when you're talking to someone that's not actually upset it doesn't have the effect you are aiming for.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
599
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Posted - 2016.05.25 07:14:19 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:The force of the bitter vet is strong on Eve forums.
That may be because CCP seems to have lost interest in their official forum.
Why keep it then? It seem stupid there is a must to be an active player to post here and in the same time get no info on o-forum because all devs are posting on reddit. Seriously something is wrong here. If devs want a reddit here, remove ISD and forum lock.
I am the 85%
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Hawke Frost
162
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Posted - 2016.05.25 08:27:15 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:The force of the bitter vet is strong on Eve forums.
That may be because CCP seems to have lost interest in their official forum. Why keep it then? It seem stupid there is a must to be an active player to post here and in the same time get no info on o-forum because all devs are posting on reddit. Seriously something is wrong here. If devs want a reddit here, remove ISD and forum lock.
If ISD are what keep this forum from being used, then that means it would only be used badly. Seriously, if you have a problem with the moderation here then the problem is yourself, not the forum. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
602
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Posted - 2016.05.25 09:27:33 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:If ISD are what keep this forum from being used, then that means it would only be used badly. Seriously, if you have a problem with the moderation here then the problem is yourself, not the forum.
I don't have problem with moderation, but something is wrong when devs are posting more on unmoderated reddit. I've opened few topic there and there's a few devs that I've never seen on o-forum. What is the purpose of official site when actuall discussion is going elsewhere? "we want feedback about this feature" thread abbadoned, discussion moved on reddit...
I am the 85%
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Hawke Frost
162
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Posted - 2016.05.25 09:45:13 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:If ISD are what keep this forum from being used, then that means it would only be used badly. Seriously, if you have a problem with the moderation here then the problem is yourself, not the forum. I don't have problem with moderation, but something is wrong when devs are posting more on unmoderated reddit. I've opened few topic there and there's a few devs that I've never seen on o-forum. What is the purpose of official site when actuall discussion is going elsewhere? "we want feedback about this feature" thread abbadoned, discussion moved on reddit...
Correlation does not imply causation
You're looking at 2 things:
1) devs don't post much on official forums
2) ISD
One isn't caused by the other. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
602
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Posted - 2016.05.25 10:27:20 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Correlation does not imply causation
You're looking at 2 things:
1) devs don't post much on official forums
2) ISD
One isn't caused by the other.
It would be silly to assume devs don't bother posting on o-forum because their post are moderated by ISD 
Still, forum is dead, I know one dev that actually bother to post here, read feedback, discuss with us and writing about what or were he see feature that he working on (no it's not Rise or Fozzie). I'm aware they are busy and don't have time to spam posts, but players are getting ignored here. If they don't agree with feedback (devs) or see it the other way it would be good to post it here not the reddit. If they don't why do they expect cultured discussion, it's one side post spamming. Threadnaughts usually ends with players insulting one another.
I am the 85%
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Burntisland
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.05.25 10:40:52 -
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I prefer r/Eve because ridiculous attention whores like Lucas Kell don't get to shove their bitter opinions down everyone's throat |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
15981
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Posted - 2016.05.25 10:53:43 -
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Burntisland wrote:I prefer r/Eve because ridiculous attention whores like Lucas Kell don't get to shove their bitter opinions down everyone's throat
and that right there illustrates the issue with redid (****off i cant spell in the morning)
seriously this is "free speech 101"
at least lucas gets to have an opinion here.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
i generally do not agree with lucas but hes entitled to voice his opinion
every bit as much as you or i am. <<<<--emphasis on the period
Better the Devil you know.
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
2230
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:11:08 -
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I hate the fact the developers are more active on Reddit. Personally, i can't stand reddit as it just reads like the youtube comment section but if there are things that make it better than the official forum, then CCP should be trying to incorporate things that would make it better.
on topic, i don't see this overwhelming support on reddit that you speak of...
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Lucas Kell
Evolution.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7800
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:34:07 -
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Burntisland wrote:I prefer r/Eve because ridiculous attention whores like Lucas Kell don't get to shove their bitter opinions down everyone's throat So incredibly mad. And I do get to have opinions there, I just have to choose which account to post it on so I have the correct name and flair for the situation.
Ralph's pretty much covered the solid response to that comment, but remember, if you want to opt out of seeing my opinion here there's a "hide posts" button.
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