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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:38:38 -
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reddit kinda sucks just now, just seems to be a big bee war circle jurk
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2857
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Posted - 2016.05.25 15:33:49 -
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Lan Wang wrote:reddit kinda sucks just now, just seems to be a big bee war circle jurk
Reddit, because of how it work, is always a circle jerk. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
513
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Posted - 2016.05.25 21:14:32 -
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Lan Wang wrote:reddit kinda sucks just now, just seems to be a big bee war circle jurk
Its been that way for at least six months, maybe longer. I swear the moderators must be dead and nobody has told reddit yet, because a lot of the posts violate the little burb on the side that has the rules for posting on reddit.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.05.25 21:45:46 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:The people who post about EVE on Reddit tend to be people who don't care for EVE's own personality and uniqueness, if they did they'd refused to post on Reddit about it and stick to the official forum, this one. It's therefore not surprising at all that those don't really see any problems when EVE turns more and more into a generic MMO (which weirdly no one plays much because they "suck", so why change this one too?).
The fact that CCP Devs seem to prefer posting on Reddit makes it all the more poignant, and telling. I'd strongly disagree with you on the fact that we dont care about the uniqueness of eve. Theres been a good few times ive seen people claim to be the majority ie against sp injectors and now sp dailies, Reddit supports it and the eve forums stands against it. On a side note i would reckon ccp goes there, because there are more people on there actively engaging.
You're making a huge freaking mistake if you're characterizing forums. Especially one as diverse as reddit.
Hi, I'm a redditor, probably been one for longer than you, and I disagree with everything you've said. |
KaarBaak
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Posted - 2016.05.25 21:55:06 -
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There are some fundamental differences between the two that make comparison impossible and illogical. Primarily:
Reddit: the 'downvote to oblivion' mechanic EvE-O: the 'must be a current paying subscriber' mechanic
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
966
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Posted - 2016.05.25 23:42:29 -
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Zappity wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:I don't get why they didn't decide to put a limit back on the training queue? I mean wouldn't that once again cause people to log back into the game and thus solve the issue?
But instead they are giving out skill points like candy for a task that takes less than a minute daily. I mean it sounds nice but seriously if reverting a change solves the problem... They want people out in space doing something daily, not just logging in daily.
Oh right, because it's real important that we keep the guristas at bay, or god forbid we fall to sansha's nation and get assimilated into the Borg collective or whatever the hell...
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2866
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Posted - 2016.05.26 00:55:49 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Zappity wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:I don't get why they didn't decide to put a limit back on the training queue? I mean wouldn't that once again cause people to log back into the game and thus solve the issue?
But instead they are giving out skill points like candy for a task that takes less than a minute daily. I mean it sounds nice but seriously if reverting a change solves the problem... They want people out in space doing something daily, not just logging in daily. Oh right, because it's real important that we keep the guristas at bay, or god forbid we fall to sansha's nation and get assimilated into the Borg collective or whatever the hell...
If it was about killing a player, they would have issue with newbies. Now "newbies" rolled by a player who already has been playing the game for X years but the actual newbie who never played EVE and don't know anything about it. Killing a rat is something you CAN do from day 1 and WILL do from day 1. Killing someone else's ship is something you CAN do from day 1 but only MIGHT do from day 1 especially for a real new player. Once this problem is seen, you can go to the next one. The current perception is causing problem because people feel forced to log in and kill their one rat. I think the people who think that have issue but I can;t do much about it. On the other hand, the same perception of "must do it" would still be there if it required a PvP kill but at the same time, some people just can't pull it off because they lack the actual players kill to do it. If the player comes on the forum and ask for advice, there is a few possible answer he might get but not all of them will really help him.
1- Git gud. This won't help.
2- You just have to shoot your alt. This will lead to a discussion who might lead said newbie to not only think he NEED to do his daily kill but he also NEED a second account to make it efficiently.
3- Actual PvP advice. Now he's on the good way but there is no guarantee it will be enough. Many people forget what it means to be a newbie now and how things are different when your support skill are not done yet for example.
Making the first one require to only kill a rat is the logical start if they intend to expand on this because it is effectively the most accessible thing you can do in the game. You actually need to put some effort into it if you want to have a character who is absolutely unable to kill a rat. Not being able to kill a player on the other hand only require you to lack something that newbie actually do lack, player skill/knowledge. The rest will follow as long as they don't forget to expand on it. There isn't any guarantee of it because :CCP: but the path is there. |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.26 03:19:37 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:The people who post about EVE on Reddit tend to be people who don't care for EVE's own personality and uniqueness, if they did they'd refused to post on Reddit about it and stick to the official forum, this one. It's therefore not surprising at all that those don't really see any problems when EVE turns more and more into a generic MMO (which weirdly no one plays much because they "suck", so why change this one too?).
The fact that CCP Devs seem to prefer posting on Reddit makes it all the more poignant, and telling. I'd strongly disagree with you on the fact that we dont care about the uniqueness of eve. Theres been a good few times ive seen people claim to be the majority ie against sp injectors and now sp dailies, Reddit supports it and the eve forums stands against it. On a side note i would reckon ccp goes there, because there are more people on there actively engaging. You're making a huge freaking mistake if you're characterizing forums. Especially one as diverse as reddit. Hi, I'm a redditor, probably been one for longer than you, and I disagree with everything you've said.
No one cares that you are a reditor. |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.26 14:00:25 -
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Then why respond? |
Hawke Frost
173
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Posted - 2016.05.26 19:52:58 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Then why respond?
To indicate that we're not impressed, not being impressed doesn't somehow mean we're not going to react to the "respect mah authoritah" silliness . How is that not obvious? Frankly, your reply isn't really helping your cause.
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Judaa K'Marr
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.05.26 21:51:06 -
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EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it. |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
70
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Posted - 2016.05.26 23:05:56 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Then why respond? To indicate that we're not impressed, not being impressed doesn't somehow mean we're not going to react to the "respect mah authoritah" silliness . How is that not obvious? Frankly, your reply isn't really helping your cause.
My cause? I made the point of both reddit and eve o being very different, ive only responded to certain ridiculous comments about reddit on here. You can have ***** fest or fun fest, cant have both im afraid. Unless you like trolling so i dont really have a "cause" |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:16:19 -
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Your cause, being from Test and starting this Reddit thread, is "look how awesome Reddit is yo". You've been championing it throughout this whole thread. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44780
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:29:30 -
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Judaa K'Marr wrote:EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it. For the last few months now, moderation here has taken a much softer approach.
Threads are still regularly locked, but there seems to be a tendency to let discussion happen now, on topics that previously would have been locked immediately.
So whether other people's opinions are valued or not, on any side of a debate/discussion, the forums do seem to be letting everyone have more of a say now.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:40:55 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Judaa K'Marr wrote:EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it. For the last few months now, moderation here has taken a much softer approach. Threads are still regularly locked, but there seems to be a tendency to let discussion happen now, on topics that previously would have been locked immediately. So whether other people's opinions are valued or not, on any side of a debate/discussion, the forums do seem to be letting everyone have more of a say now. to a point, theres considerable less put-pants-on-head-set-pants-on-fire type raving about sociopaths been happening and more focused (admittedly heated and bitter) discussion on mechanics ,balance and game-play direction. in short we are giving them less reasons to lock and/or incinerate threads than previous months.
its less fun of late.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2873
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:45:06 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Judaa K'Marr wrote:EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it. For the last few months now, moderation here has taken a much softer approach. Threads are still regularly locked, but there seems to be a tendency to let discussion happen now, on topics that previously would have been locked immediately. So whether other people's opinions are valued or not, on any side of a debate/discussion, the forums do seem to be letting everyone have more of a say now. to a point, theres considerable less put-pants-on-head-set-pants-on-fire type raving about sociopaths been happening and more focused (admittedly heated and bitter) discussion on mechanics ,balance and game-play direction. in short we are giving them less reasons to lock and/or incinerate threads than previous months. its less fun of late.
How damn hard is it for a redditor to follow some forum rules? I keep swearing and calling people retards on this very forum and a few sub forums and I have yet to face the mighty ban hammer or any suspension. The rules aren't harsh at all... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2874
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:49:22 -
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Judaa K'Marr wrote:EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it.
And yet on EVE-O, you have more chance of being able to voice your opinion if it does not fit the line of thinking of the loud majority like you absolutely can't on R/EVE because your post gets downvoted into deletion within minutes. |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.27 03:57:09 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:How damn hard is it for a redditor to follow some forum rules? I keep swearing and calling people retards on this very forum and a few sub forums and I have yet to face the mighty ban hammer or any suspension. The rules aren't harsh at all...
Exactly. Apart from KM not being allowed I really don't see a problem with the rules or moderation at all.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2875
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Posted - 2016.05.27 04:04:15 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:How damn hard is it for a redditor to follow some forum rules? I keep swearing and calling people retards on this very forum and a few sub forums and I have yet to face the mighty ban hammer or any suspension. The rules aren't harsh at all... Exactly. Apart from KM not being allowed I really don't see a problem with the rules or moderation at all.
You could always post your kill mails in the sub forum that allows them... There is no need for the main page to be littered with threads about personnal/corp/alliance attack and spin/propaganda. The real issue is people aren't happy about having to post their **** in the right sub forum. |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.27 04:39:22 -
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Wasn't the forums were people spouted nothing but propaganda? Particularly when Bob was the dog pile target? |
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Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.27 04:40:30 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Your cause, being from Test and starting this Reddit thread, is "look how awesome Reddit is yo". You've been championing it throughout this whole thread. I'd hardly call responding to erroneous statements championing. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44780
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Posted - 2016.05.27 05:44:50 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:How damn hard is it for a redditor to follow some forum rules? I keep swearing and calling people retards on this very forum and a few sub forums and I have yet to face the mighty ban hammer or any suspension. The rules aren't harsh at all... I'm both a regular on the forums and on r/eve and then also on slack and I occasionally jump into eve related tweet discussions.
Why should anyone be limited to only 1 platform or why should any one platform be superior to any other? They are all social platforms, so more power to people no matter what platform they find most useful. It's not a PC Master race thing.
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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die Army of New Eden
96
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Posted - 2016.05.27 16:13:55 -
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Because of the draconian moderation on eve forums. That's it. The mods have every rule to cover any excuse to close a thread. Reddit allows free speech ccp doesn't |
Milostiev
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:25:17 -
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EVE-O forums has very uptight forum moderators who were sometimes proven to still hold allegiance to some of their alliances (they are players). EVE-O devs do not give off the impression that player feedback is needed or accounted for when deploying stuff even though the community has helped in testing and finding abusive stuff in SISI stuff. More so, if your language is not particularly nice, you risk getting moderated.
EVE-O also pretty much killed the old CAOD that kept ppl interested in the game, in what was going on in EVE and this is why a lot of ppl migrated to other places like the site who shall not be named (the one with the octopus logo) and SHC (when it was still alive).
Right now, you will learn more about EVE by reading reddit .... apart from future changes and some pve/industry/trade stuff, which are still active subforums. |
Aaron
Stain Syndicate
358
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:57:44 -
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Milostiev wrote:EVE-O forums has very uptight forum moderators who were sometimes proven to still hold allegiance to some of their alliances (they are players).
Agree with this 100%. I had a good thread a few years back which had people on the edge of their seat. I was told by the moderator to hurry up and get to the point, My argument was that it was a real-time story where someone was given 48 hours to pay the ransom, talking to this particular moderator was like talking to a brick wall in all honesty.
My thread got locked, and what do you know, someone else makes a thread with exactly the same name and guess what it doesn't get locked.
I'm sure stuff like this has happened many times and this is the result, a forum where the players of the actual game aren't really that interested.
Go ahead and delete this factual post.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:59:37 -
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If reddit wasn't so awkward to navigate, follow threads and participate in discussions, I might check it out more than once in a blue moon. And only then for topics banned here, which thankfully doesn't happen all that often.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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