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Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:00:00 - [61] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: GanjaBear Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. Ace.. you are doing your alliance no favours.. that post sounds like a cry baby who has had its dummy taken away, LV is a proud alliance with a strong PvP base, making it look like a spoilt five year old deprived of its toys only demeans yourselves. stop crying and start doing what LV is famous for, when backed in a corner fihjt like hell.. Ganja, I have been fighting, and will continue to do so, and enjoy the game greatly. However everyone knows the game mechanics, do not allow the game to be played the way it is designed. When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. See folks. . .this is why ol' Ace here is MUCH more suited to playing WOW than he is to playing EVE. He seems to think that if he pays CCP long enough and gets the most skillpoints and the best items/ship/whatever that he should automatically win. Sorry to break it to ya, but it don't work that way. Keep cryin', but the fact of the matter is that LV has had just as many opportunities to blob Goons. . .problem is you guys can't field the numbers because your players aren't as committed. Also, while I hardly ever hear an excuse outta the Goons mouth for losing a battle here or an engagement there. . .the only thing I hear outta LV is whines whines and more whines. Keep it up Ace, maybe eventually you'll be able to convince more than just your members that you AREN'T being totally annihilated by a buncha noobs. I mean, seriously, this whole Devswarm idea that you've been preaching along with the Goons only win through numbers BS is classic. Goons have been kicking your butt because: 1. LV leadership is non-existent except on EVE-O. 2. Goons didn't **** off a buncha Russians by ridiculing them over and over about real life issues and instead joined up with them. 3. Goons uses its numbers while LV gets lucky if 20 people show up. However. . .please go ahead and emasculate yourself some more tho for all the rest of us here. It's VERY amusing! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:13:00 - [62] Originally by: PDoggy Goonswarm threads are the new BoB threads c/d? As far as I know the only goal is to kill people that act like**gots, not become "omnipotence itself" like BoB. All class, all the time. This should have been modded out, but I guess goonies get all the breaks these days. fofofofofo~ People getting on the Goonswarm bandwagon at this point *** me up. They are more of a threat to the integrity of Eve than BoB ever was. Breaking games is what they do -- they don't give a crap about the game or the people in it. It's all just material for strutting and posturing on SomethingAwful.com.
Khetchi Amarr Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:21:00 - [63] Edited by: Khetchi on 27/02/2007 01:17:54 Originally by: Aceonfire When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. Sadly, games such as this tend to reward those players who are able to find the loopholes and exploit them the quickest. These "exploits" are an integral part of this, or any other, MMO whether you like them or not. Surely the devs will eventually find a way to close this exploit, but it won't take long before someone finds a new way to take advantage of the game mechanics to gain an advantage over others... and then the whole thing starts over again. Howeverm the biggest selling point EVE had over other MMOs for me is the fact that there were no WTFUBERPWN players in the game. A player in eve couldn't become an unkillable God-like beong with the ability to slaughter 1000+ "newbies" at once with no risk whatsoever. Anybody, regardless of what skills they have or what ship they are flying, can be killed at any time. Goonswarm is simply using the tactic that has been proven effective by Industrial Corps against PVP corps in the past, albeit on a much larger scale... Throwing a massive number of disposable ships against the expensive Capital ships and making it prohibitively expensive for the opposition to continue. You may not like it. Heck, I wouldn't like being on the receiving end of it myself. However, you have to remember that BoB itself used this tactic repeatedly during their war with ASCN, sending massive Battleship/cruiser fleets against ASCN Dreadnaught/Carrier fleets. Goonswarm is just taking a tactic proven effective by BoB and taking it to the obvious next level. As far as "closing" a system or "crashing" a node goes, again this is just an extension of tactics that have been used effectively in the past. How many times on the forums has it been pointed out that a corporation or alliance entered a system and immediatly began dumping jetcans in order to do this? Now Goonswarm is doing it more effectively with T1 frigates. Of course I have to disagree with you that this is "the single biggest problem with this game." In my opinion, the biggest problem with this game is the fact that older, more experienced players and corporations can roll over "newbies" with impunity and then brag about their prowess... as if camping a station with a Fleet Recon and ganking newbies who can barely fly a Cruiser is some sort of accomplishment, or gatecamping with three Battleships and ganking newbies trying to run courier missions somehow makes you a "pirate". This is why Goonswarm is getting so many new members every month... Think of it as "Revenge of the Noobs". After being walked over and griefed repeatedly in Highsec they are banding together and taking out their frustrations on those who have been laughing at them and giving them advice along the lines of "Stop being a Carebear and move to 0.0!" or "If you don't like it, go play WoW!" Well, they took your advice... They're no longer Carebears and have moved into 0.0, and they found out that they like going after uppity Elites and ganking them with frigates.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:27:00 - [64] Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: PDoggy Goonswarm threads are the new BoB threads c/d? As far as I know the only goal is to kill people that act like**gots, not become "omnipotence itself" like BoB. All class, all the time. This should have been modded out, but I guess goonies get all the breaks these days. fofofofofo~ People getting on the Goonswarm bandwagon at this point *** me up. They are more of a threat to the integrity of Eve than BoB ever was. Breaking games is what they do -- they don't give a crap about the game or the people in it. It's all just material for strutting and posturing on SomethingAwful.com. QFT mate, im going to LMAO when the truth finally dawns on the muppets
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:48:00 - [65] Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:53:00 - [66] Edited by: elohllird on 27/02/2007 01:51:23 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Im a main you muppet please log in first and check corp history... Who are you btw ,look abit of a noob tbh and you have rubbish hair ohh poo im not a main im err Avons alt..er no goddamn it whoops
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go hahahaha everyones ultimate goal would be to own all of 0.0 , it does not mean its achievable and to say thats the reason they should die is a poor argument tbh. My argument that all Goons are MUPPETS is a better
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Liquid Vision Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Oh yessirree, the righteous non-cheating, non-exploiting, non-eula breaking, non-client modifying forces of light are coming and they aren't going to take it anymore. Oh, do go on sir. Originally by: Liquid Vision Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Two questions. What do you suppose CCP should have done about all those goonies that modified their clients (as requested by their commanders and with the full knowledge of goon leadership)? Considering this is against the eula and gave the cheaters a distinct advantage over other players and all. On a scale from 1 to 10, how much of a hypocrit do you rate yourself? -- .sig apathy ftw
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Aceonfire It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. HOW DARE GOONSWARM CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE MORE AND MORE MEMBERS OF THE SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM FORUMS TO PLAY WITH THEM! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS! FURTHERMORE, THE FACT THAT THERE IS A THIRTY-PAGE-LONG THREAD ON THE SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM FORUMS DETAILING GOONSWARM'S CONTINUED ACTIVITIES WHICH HAS TO BE RECREATED EVERY OTHER MONTH BECAUSE IT GETS TOO BIG IS UNFORGIVABLE. THEREFORE, I PUT IT TO YOU CCP. DISBAND THIS SCUM AND LET US RETURN TO THE DAYS WHEN ONLY THE ELITE COULD ENTER 0.0 SPACE.

Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:00:00 - [71] Originally by: elohllird Edited by: elohllird on 27/02/2007 01:51:23 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Im a main you muppet please log in first and check corp history... Who are you btw ,look abit of a noob tbh and you have rubbish hair ohh poo im not a main im err Avons alt..er no goddamn it whoops Wha?? Since when does corp history have a damn thing to do w/ being an alt? Destructive Influence. . .Constructive Influence. . .hrm..... I mean, why even play at not being a BOB alt? It isn't like you're trying to be subtle or clever about it. And your character looks like a monkey you "muppet". Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Talen Reaper AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Mistress Suffering This thread is silly. Goons are one piece of many. They're not playing with some huge banked set of advantages from being here a long time and recruiting only the most experienced guys around. They're just a big group of players who have fun together. They're not special, they're just loud and boisterous. If BoB loses this war it won't be because 'Goons toppled them', it will be from the combined distaste of a great many alliances. I don't know much about the goonswarm as I have only encountered Burn Eden & I do know that BE are very good at pvp and are highly respected in the north ..BE is one corp I would much rather call friend than enemy....and would put money on in any engagement with bob or there slaves. In any case, its far from over.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Liquid Vision on 27/02/2007 03:08:28 Originally by: prsr Originally by: Liquid Vision Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Oh yessirree, the righteous non-cheating, non-exploiting, non-eula breaking, non-client modifying forces of light are coming and they aren't going to take it anymore. Oh, do go on sir. Originally by: Liquid Vision Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Two questions. What do you suppose CCP should have done about all those goonies that modified their clients (as requested by their commanders and with the full knowledge of goon leadership)? Considering this is against the eula and gave the cheaters a distinct advantage over other players and all. On a scale from 1 to 10, how much of a hypocrit do you rate yourself? Obviously CCP decided that w/e the Goons did wasn't worth punishing them over. They DID decide to punish T20. . .after six months of letting BOB keep the ill-gotten BPOs and whatnot of course. C'mon bro, quit lying to yourself. You and your alliance are going down in flames because of the choices you made, not because of any cheating or exploiting or dev favoritism that's going on. In fact, trying to point out the specks of impropriety in other alliances when compared to those done by the Bobbits is just plain asinine, especially considering some of the things LV has done in its day. It's like if I saw someone murder somebody in RL and instead of getting upset about it I excused their actions but screamed to high heaven about the kid that stole a piece of gum. Come off it already. Sounds to me, mate, like YOU'RE the hypocrit. It's all fun and games and smack talk until people get fed up with your nonsense and then it's "ban the Goonies!" and "The Devswarm gets GM help to take our systems" and whatnot. Face it. . .you've lost respect from the entire EVE community and the only folks even pretending to support you now are the ones that want to see "the 'Train" derail itself before its righteous wrath reaches their space. If you REALLY just HAVE to blame somebody tho. . .why doncha direct all your complaints to CCP instead of tossing your whines about EVE-O? CCP is the one that has pushed the game to where it is today. CCP is the one that never bothers to enforce the EULA unless it's against random noobs in Empire who can't really affect their subscription numbers. . .not the Goons. The Goons are just helping remove you from space that you obviously don't deserve to hold on to. Lotka Volterra, my friend. . .survival of the fittest and all that good stuff. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Meter Caldari Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:19:00 - [74] Guys when someone is able to bring more ships to a fleet engagement than you are, that's an exploit.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:42:00 - [75] Hey LV, why don't you retreat to Stain about it?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:45:00 - [76] Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now. Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Liquid Vision Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. But they have done as I have pointed out, have they not? Are you in any way denying that Goon has done as I described?
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Liquid Vision He seems to think that if he pays CCP long enough and gets the most skillpoints and the best items/ship/whatever that he should automatically win. Liquid Vision...I have roughly 7 million sp's, have been active in this game for only about 6 months total, and have roughly 2 million isk and 10 tech 1 ships to my name. Not to mention I only have 1 account.
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Akov Stohs Originally by: Liquid Vision Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. But they have done as I have pointed out, have they not? Are you in any way denying that Goon has done as I described? A node has never crashed due to 'fofofo'. You're just making yourself look dumb by saying it. Chat servers are different server entirely from the game servers. Its not even possible. But keep grasping at anything to explain how you died. Clearly you can never lose to someone with less skillpoints!!! Originally by: Liquid Vision...I have roughly 7 million sp's, have been active in this game for only about 6 months total, and have roughly 2 million isk and 10 tech 1 ships to my name. Not to mention I only have 1 account. About 700 goons have more SP than you then. Get out of 0.0 noob. You dont have the enough skillpoints to be there.

Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:33:00 - [81] Edited by: Akov Stohs on 27/02/2007 04:30:44 Originally by: Double Stuff A node has never crashed due to 'fofofo'. You're just making yourself look dumb by saying it. Chat servers are different server entirely from the game servers. Its not even possible. But keep grasping at anything to explain how you died. Clearly you can never lose to someone with less skillpoints!!! Such hateful Flame, Please edit your post to be civil, and then i will respond. Thank you :] edit: removal of quotes
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now. You aren't the brightest Caldari that ever took a whizz in their pod are you? If you think that saying "fofofofo" or "gg" or anything in local has anything at all to do with a node crash, I'd like you to make a brand new alt account on a 14 day and see what the Caldari rookie channel and help channel is like. Over 2000 people can be in these channels and alot of talking is going on. ALOT. I always knew Caldari people were retarded.....
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:59:00 - [83] It's so sad to see, really. The LV leadership are doing an exponentially greater amount of damage to their own alliance than the Goons are. Just as an update for those of you that are still in the dark. . .several LV corps have called it quits, the LV leadership has officially decided to pull out to Stain, and the Bobbits said no thanks to the LV folks trying to come over to their side. Predator or prey? Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr You aren't the brightest Caldari that ever took a whizz in their pod are you? If you think that saying "fofofofo" or "gg" or anything in local has anything at all to do with a node crash, I'd like you to make a brand new alt account on a 14 day and see what the Caldari rookie channel and help channel is like. Over 2000 people can be in these channels and alot of talking is going on. ALOT. I always knew Caldari people were retarded..... Then, if its impossible for it to have any affect on the server, where the goons punished by gms? and why as it was posted above against their new policy? If there is no ill-effects, why would there have been any negative reactions from the powers that be? And again, keep it civil. I make no personal attacks, if you can not do the same, please refrain from posting.
Verona Carrabanos Rumor Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Verona Carrabanos on 27/02/2007 05:22:07 Originally by: Akov Stohs Then, if its impossible for it to have any affect on the server, where the goons punished by gms? and why as it was posted above against their new policy? If there is no ill-effects, why would there have been any negative reactions from the powers that be? And again, keep it civil. I make no personal attacks, if you can not do the same, please refrain from posting. You're fooling yourself if you think accusing a playerbase of 2000 of exploiting isn't a personal attack. It's more likely that the GMs asked Goonswarm to cease their "fofo" battle cry because of the multitude of OMGHAX petitions that clueless followers of your Alliance's party line would file, bogging down the petition system with complaints that are completely without base or merit. --- This is rumor control. Here are the facts.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:36:00 - [86] I accused no one of anything.... They fofofofoed, the server lagged and crashed under circumstances that previously and since, have held. Goon was punished both by gms, and apparently their own leadership. I don't accuse any one of anything, no one here, not even you, deny the events. I did not call it an exploit, and I have remained extremely civil and patient. Heck, I even post with my main! What more could you ask of me? I ask that you do the same.
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... They fofofofoed, the server lagged and crashed under circumstances that previously and since, have held. Goon was punished both by gms, and apparently their own leadership. I don't accuse any one of anything, no one here, not even you, deny the events. I did not call it an exploit, and I have remained extremely civil and patient. Heck, I even post with my main! What more could you ask of me? I ask that you do the same. You gotta stop sniffing the fart bubbles in your pod. The GM that did that was punshed by CCP, not the other way around. He's been taken off the case and sent to patrol Duripant with all the other rookie pilots. Another Caldari lie. Is this a surprise to anyone?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:49:00 - [88] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr You gotta stop sniffing the fart bubbles in your pod. The GM that did that was punshed by CCP, not the other way around. He's been taken off the case and sent to patrol Duripant with all the other rookie pilots. Another Caldari lie. Is this a surprise to anyone? and there are no Privateers in Jita...right?
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Double Stuff About 700 goons have more SP than you then. Get out of 0.0 noob. You dont have the enough skillpoints to be there. Ahh, now the true Goon colors are shining through.
Verona Carrabanos Rumor Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" ... In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . --- This is rumor control. Here are the facts.



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