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Space Harrier Minmatar Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:11:00 - [1] Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It would appear to me that they intend to dominate the game much in the same way that BoB has done for the last couple of years now. I wonder though that if they are indeed successful in toppling BoB from their omnipotent position in EVE would they be any more loved or hated than those that they have toppled? I think it is an interesting time for EVE as major new powers errupt onto the scene. The powers of new and old EVE collide in a fight to the death. Who will win? and will a victory on either side usher in a new climate, a new atmosphere in the EVE universe for all the other alliances on the map? I wonder, can Goonswarm and their coalition possibly hope to hold so much space securely should they manage to wressle it away from it's current occupiers? or is that an impossible task, meaning that this war can last as long as the will of all parties involved remains strong? Do RA even want to go abroad to fight BoB? It's all very well them providing the dread fleet to crush LV systems but what do RA have to gain from a campaign in BoB space for themselves? They are traditionally tied to Cache and the surrounding regions after all. I wait with anticipation, how the territorial map of eve will look once the dust has settled. Which factions will grow closer together and which will break and grow apart. Interesting times, if not the best of times for EVE.
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:14:00 - [2] BOB want to take over 0.0, which includes RA space, I think it's in RA's interest to take the opportunity to destroy bob now that d2 and friends are also attacking them.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Space Harrier Which factions will grow closer together and which will break and grow apart. As far as im aware the current coalition is purely to kill Bob, since 0.0 people in general don't like too much blue around all that much a lot of them will prolly go back to being neutral after the war. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:19:00 - [4] It'd make little sense with all those alliances staying + to eachother thats for sure. Some of them, i thought at least, didnt seem to care that much for eachother before all this either.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:19:00 - [5] when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Fabricati Diem Burleigh and Strong	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:20:00 - [6] Look, Ma, I'm in a Bob alt time-to-go-spin-on-the-forums thread!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:23:00 - [7] I think the coalition is purely designed to just destroy BoB and then go back to business as usual. BoB has hinted at before that if they ever lost their space, that would be the end and they'd go their separate ways. At least, that's what Molle said about the ASCN war, either they would succeed, or be destroyed or something to that effect. So anyway, point I'm making, the conflict isn't about conquest, it's about taking BoB out of the picture. They got too powerful and were arrogant about it, so people wanted to see them gone.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:25:00 - [8] Edited by: thoth foc on 26/02/2007 17:21:58 goons are just 1 alliance, is a coalition of 15? 20? tbh i think they now conform to the "very general" sense of an alliance.. i think when they are able to operate without the hugh numbers of allies they currently need to fight, i will consider them more of "a storm".. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Space Harrier Minmatar Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Splagada when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem Yeah no doubt! I personally see this as a kind of "New EVE vs Old EVE contest" Pound for pound, old EVE is definitely stronger, yet the sheer weight of numbers that goon coalition can bring to the fight reduce that advantage to nothing. I mean, look at LV for instance, they just lost a Titan under construction in their most heavily fortified system because the servers were crippled by the coalition fleet! Thats no fine way to loose a Titan, but it sure as hell was effective! If I was a betting man, I put my money on "New EVE" after all, one can only stay king of the hill for so long.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:27:00 - [10] Edited by: Herculite on 26/02/2007 17:24:18 Originally by: Helganstandt So anyway, point I'm making, the conflict isn't about conquest, it's about taking BoB out of the picture. They got too powerful and were arrogant about it, so people wanted to see them gone. It might be a WEEEEE bit early to be talking about an alliance with 3 titans, a massive cap fleet, and some of the best pilots in the game in the past tense. I'm just saying
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:28:00 - [11] The foolish amongst u overlook the true power in the coalition. Eve vs WoW
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Splagada when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem nope their fleets are still 80-90% disposable EW frigs and cruisers... but one day... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:38:00 - [13] Only idiots attempt to "take over EVE". You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:45:00 - [14] Originally by: The Mittani Only idiots attempt to "take over EVE". You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps. Where do you see your alliance going after the war? Do you want to become a traditional territory alliance? Do you expect to keep the various "pirate" corps currently within your ranks? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:51:00 - [15] Edited by: prsr on 26/02/2007 17:49:17 Originally by: The Mittani You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps. Don't worry, you won't I don't think the question makes much sense tbh. While the goons have built up quite a bit of experience and skills now it is still RA pushing the buttons that make things possible. RA probably isn't looking for a head-on conflict with Bob and is currently just helping to setup their meatshields while making sure to get some key systems under direct control (npc station refineries for example). -- .sig apathy ftw
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It would appear to me that they intend to dominate the game much in the same way that BoB has done for the last couple of years now. I think they just want to kill BoB. Righteous indignation is a powerful motivating force. When that task is completed I doubt they will retain the same drive and sense of purpose that they have now toward the proposition of conquering all of 0.0. Quote: I wonder though that if they are indeed successful in toppling BoB from their omnipotent position in EVE would they be any more loved or hated than those that they have toppled? Depends on how they behave. If Remedial becomes the new Molle and some of his minions the new DB Preachers, they'll be hated just as much, and eventually toppled in their turn. Quote: I think it is an interesting time for EVE as major new powers errupt onto the scene. The powers of new and old EVE collide in a fight to the death. Who will win? and will a victory on either side usher in a new climate, a new atmosphere in the EVE universe for all the other alliances on the map? The "coalition" will win this, because the current state and mechanics of the game allow waves of t-1 frigs and cruisers to trump the most advanced technology and PvP skill. It won't always be so. You can count on it. Quote: I wonder, can Goonswarm and their coalition possibly hope to hold so much space securely should they manage to wressle it away from it's current occupiers? or is that an impossible task, meaning that this war can last as long as the will of all parties involved remains strong? Again, much of their "strength" comes from the fact that they can bring numbers around the clock that make the game unplayable in its current form through node crashes and lag. It tips the scale way in favor of large numbers (their strength) over skill and technology (BoB/LV/D2 et. al.'s strength). It won't stay that way. The devs will move to balance the equation, but probably not in time to save BoB and LV. When they do, the power that RAGOON enjoys now will wane or outright disappear. Quote: Do RA even want to go abroad to fight BoB? It's all very well them providing the dread fleet to crush LV systems but what do RA have to gain from a campaign in BoB space for themselves? They are traditionally tied to Cache and the surrounding regions after all. They'd better, while they can. The advantage that they enjoy now doesn't have much of a shelf-life. If BoB lives by this time next year, Red and Goon won't. Quote: Interesting times, if not the best of times for EVE. Yep. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:06:00 - [17] Our ultimate plan is to have 1000 goons in titans and spam every non-occupied system we don't want with a Caldari outpost.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:16:00 - [18] This thread is silly. Goons are one piece of many. They're not playing with some huge banked set of advantages from being here a long time and recruiting only the most experienced guys around. They're just a big group of players who have fun together. They're not special, they're just loud and boisterous. If BoB loses this war it won't be because 'Goons toppled them', it will be from the combined distaste of a great many alliances. In any case, its far from over.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:22:00 - [19] I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:32:00 - [20] I would say about 40% of the Goons have top notch skills. So take 3,000 members and out of that you have 1200 members that can PVP just as good as BOD or LV. People say how good LV is but I didnÆt really see it. LV players drop a ton of T1 loot and all of the things they did in this game involved using more numbers then the enemy (I have no problem using what you have but LV canÆt use that against Goons). BOD on the other hand has like 1800 members most of which are the same members with 3-6 accounts that are pretty much maxed out. I would say about 85-90% of there members are top notch players but they only can field about 300 members then they need to use other allies who are miners (AKA BOD Meat Shield). Fill in the names here: RA is probably a little better then LV but I would say they are about 75-80% top notch PVP players but LV use to have numbers on them. I canÆt comment on CA since we are relatively new to the alliance. I can stay that IMP with its 800 members was in the 80-85% range for top notch PVP players. If BOD dies and leaves all that space IÆm sure the coalition will divided up some of the area to make there boarders a little bit bigger then basically give the rest to anyone who wants to come and take it (It might look something like the Stain Region). If we do kick BOD/LV and friends out of 0.0 IÆm sure they will reform and take some 0.0 space else where and then it all will just start over again. Welcome to 0.0 space. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
HellSpeed Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Fabricati Diem Look, Ma, I'm in a Bob alt time-to-go-spin-on-the-forums thread! Maybe the OP is a goon alt
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:00:00 - [22] Meh, Goons arn't even (close to) the most powerful in the anti-BoB coalition I don't think. That's not a flame btw, just what I would have thought is pretty commonly accepted fact. If (in the unlikely even that) they're gonna become the "new BoB" they're gonna have a very different style, obviously. And Remedial would beat even the best (or worst?) BoB have to offer in terms of ego and arrogance - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:03:00 - [23] I think for EVE to survive, BoB has to be defeated so that people can get over the cheating and the arrogance that has been saturating the forums in the last 2 years. If the coalition looses, there will be alot of people loosing faith in the game. Tha is just my opinion, don't hold my corp or alliance to anything I say. Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:12:00 - [24] Edited by: merc999 on 26/02/2007 19:12:05 I cant and wont speak for my corps or alliance, so saying that this post is probably out of place on this forum as It is my own personal views. For me this war is not about owning a peice of 0.0 space, I have no desire to take part in the tedium of POS fueling and politics that ensue from claiming and holding soveriegnty. If my CEO had decided to stay out of this war I would have probably asked for a leave of abscence and joined a coprs that was involved, as it happened My corps got involved for reasons I knew nothing about at the time. I was fighting until RL got in the way, and will be back fighting soon to destroy BoB because I firmly believe that BoB should have been severly censured over recent events, and if CCP wont do it, it falls to the player base to ensure all know that such events will not be left unpunished now or in the future. Goons are only a part of the armada against BoB, to think that only Goonfleet will be the beneficiaries of this war is short sighted, the whole game will benefit from BoB being defeated LV was just unfortunate they allied with the wrong people at the wrong time, and have become a rather large speed bump on the road to BoB. Kudos to LV, they still do bring the fight, and I have no doubt when their stations are gone the hard core of LV will revel in basing out of NPC stations and being a complete and utter pain behind the lines. when it comes to BoBs time,when all the coalition forces are in their areas ranged against them , attacking on 3 fronts and at least 3 systems at the same time, with operations against them throughout not only Euro and USA prime times but almost23/7 BoB are going to have to leave an awful lot of space undefended, they simply havent got the coverage to defend all their space, even with their allied corps/alliances. I expect BoB to hit one of the coalition as hard as they can time and time again to try to drive one front out of the war at a time, wether they can do this, and if they can do it quick enough to retain the space is a question only time will tell. I personally doubt they can, the resolve amongst those pilots ranged against them, from many different corps seems to me to be resolute. snip This signiture is not appropriate for eve-o fourms, please email [email protected] with a link to the signiture to find out why - thanks hutch
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:29:00 - [25] snip Please do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) ---------- "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:44:00 - [26] Yeah. . .I can't really see the Goons or anyone else taking BOB's place once they're gone. It takes a certain special kind of lameness to be BOB and carry on like they do and I don't see any folks in the game being able to fill that role. Especially since I don't think anyone in game has had the "dev experience" to the extent that the Bobbits have. Goons gets a lot of heat here on EVE-O because they play EVE differently than the standard, accepted way most folks do and they have 10x the fun while doing it. They also take a lot of heat because they give the finger to folks normally used to having everyone grovel before them while eating their propaganda like it was caviar. For all the trash talked about the Goons, they've done more in the short time they've been around in game than a lot of alliances have done since the Beta version of EVE. That being said. . .why in the world would they want the responsibility of "conquering" EVE? Like was said. . .it ain't possible and only someone as egotistical and scatterbrained as a Molle could believe that. Plus, where's the fun it having to make sure 10000 systems are locked down and having to deal with all the folks living there? Also, if you were privy to some of the stuff going on with the Goons, you'd know they've been handing over most of the space they conquer to their buddies and they've been giving folks the opportunity to leave if they'll choose not to help out the Bobbits. I even believe there's even a Free Trade Zone going up in the southeast as we speak where coalition members can get what they need at a cheaper price, etc. and so forth. While the Goons aren't the heavy-hitters in "the Coalition" I would venture to say that they are the driving force behind the "train." I don't know any group out there that posts up a "LOG THE F ON AND LETS GO" thread on their forums and immediately gets 200+ folks X'ing up in chat within 15 minutes. They inspire folks around them and they make fights a lot more fun IMHO for those that go with them. They're kinda like the Avenging Angels of EVE. . .and they mostly fly stuff the rest of us quit using AGES ago which makes it even more hysterical. Really, I would expect to see BOB and "the pets" cleared out by the end of the year and then for a sort of "Dark Ages/Terrorist Warfare" time to emerge with folks having fun battling it out over Delve/Fountain/PB/Esoteria/Feyth/etc. Should be lots of fun! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Powdder CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:51:00 - [27] You know what strikes me as odd about posts like this? Its the fundamental way in which they are written. The goal of a thread like this is to start the coalition members thinking about what will happen after the war is over. Or that maybe they should start thinking about what might happen before the war is over and the fighting still rages. The bottom line is that this whole thread stinks of a BOB instigated 1. We all know BOB wont reveal themselves by posting on these forums with their main mains. But we all know that allot of BOB's members have multiple accounts. basically if you think about it the side of this war that benifets from threads like this is the BOB side. THEY are the ones that want the coalition to dissolve. THEY are the ones that want backbiting and infighting within the coalition. and the speculation is pointless for all we know the current coalition might stay united after the war. They might divide up the regions by the alliances that fought the war and just keep them. honestly how many outposts+conquerables are there down there?? 30-40? how many corps are there in the the coalition? I see 1 or 2 stations going to each corp that fought in the war with regional NAP to help defend that station. But thats purely speculation on my part. The bottom line is that coalition will not back down. the coalition will not dissolve. even after the loss of a mighty titan, d2 sprang back and is kicking arse. I say well done. I say to hell with this speculation and go stomp some bob/lv tail. SUPPORT THE COALITION OR STFU.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Electric Cucumber BOB want to take over 0.0,. Retard! Who would BoB the PVP alliance have to shoot should they do this? WTS a clue
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:18:00 - [29] Its just you... Goons aren't here to stay, they are the flavor of the month. as pointed out above, Ra is pulling the strings, IAC backs them in technology/industry. Take that away (IE, we are done now goons, go away) and they are once again meat shields for the universe. They have powerful, rich alliances. They are neither powerful nor rich themselves. When the puppetmasters are done with them, they are going back to the noob status they left before. By them selves they will never hold anything of value.... Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Zell Its just you... Goons aren't here to stay, they are the flavor of the month. as pointed out above, Ra is pulling the strings, IAC backs them in technology/industry. Take that away (IE, we are done now goons, go away) and they are once again meat shields for the universe. They have powerful, rich alliances. They are neither powerful nor rich themselves. When the puppetmasters are done with them, they are going back to the noob status they left before. By them selves they will never hold anything of value.... This is the gospel truth, and I endorse it as an official statement of Swarm policy. Now stop talking about us.
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:33:00 - [31] Goonswarm threads are the new BoB threads c/d? As far as I know the only goal is to kill people that act like****gots, not become "omnipotence itself" like BoB. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:36:00 - [32] i can't believe i became that low, but i find myself cheering up goons instead of cursing them. go, goons, go!! --
Mullacaust Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:51:00 - [33] i will fight BoD until ill end up in noob ships if needed. they have been to*****y in the world of eve NOW LET THE SLAUGHTER CONTINU
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:57:00 - [34] Edited by: Cupdeez on 26/02/2007 20:54:31 Originally by: Cupdeez I would say about 40% of the Goons have top notch skills. So take 3,000 members and out of that you have 1200 members that can PVP just as good as snip or LV. People say how good LV is but I didnÆt really see it. LV players drop a ton of T1 loot and all of the things they did in this game involved using more numbers then the enemy (I have no problem using what you have but LV canÆt use that against Goons). snip on the other hand has like 1800 members most of which are the same members with 3-6 accounts that are pretty much maxed out. I would say about 85-90% of there members are top notch players but they only can field about 300 members then they need to use other allies who are miners (AKA snip Meat Shield). Fill in the names here: RA is probably a little better then LV but I would say they are about 75-80% top notch PVP players but LV use to have numbers on them. I canÆt comment on CA since we are relatively new to the alliance. I can stay that IMP with its 800 members was in the 80-85% range for top notch PVP players. If snip dies and leaves all that space IÆm sure the coalition will divided up some of the area to make there boarders a little bit bigger then basically give the rest to anyone who wants to come and take it (It might look something like the Stain Region). If we do kick snip/LV and friends out of 0.0 IÆm sure they will reform and take some 0.0 space else where and then it all will just start over again. Welcome to 0.0 space. Do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) you must be a BOB alt... People can call us NCA but we can't make nick names for them? Yup sounds like CCP. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:06:00 - [35] Somehow Goons appear to be the Galleon-figures of the coalition, puting oil into the fire. But they are also the ones that field they huge amounts of t1 frigs and cruisers. They can probably gain the most if the coalition succeeds. On the other hand I doubt the Goons as a single entity could stand on their own feet in 0.0 yet. Right now they have an excellent propaganda machinery tho, and their public relations forged and mobilized the coalition that might bring BoB to its knees. That is the true accomplishment of the Goons in this war so far. Altho they may also only have been the last little spark to ignite the anti-bob chain reaction. Future will tell if the other alliances will leave them alone after this war, however it may end.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Helganstandt on 26/02/2007 21:12:40 Originally by: Shin Ra Our ultimate plan is to have 1000 goons in titans and spam every non-occupied system we don't want with a Caldari outpost. I know you're just kidding...but that's not a half-bad idea...
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 26/02/2007 21:17:43 This is, in all honesty, the exact image of the Gothic tribes vs the Roman legions. The roman legions were highly skilled troops who had proven themselves time and time again as effecient killing and conquering juggernauts. The goths were less disciplined, although they did posess some skill as individual warriors, but didn't fight because they were told, instead fighting with passion and for a cause. They just swarmed their enemy with massive numbers, and while they were beaten time and time again, they kept at it, tossing themselves into the fray regardless of their own lives. And eventually the Romans broke, under the wight of their own empire and being unable to guard all of the frontiers at the same time. The goths overran, and demolished, the roman empire. I believe that someone, in the wardec post, said something along the lines of : "Attacking east now are we? Because that worked out so well for Napolean. How very wise this person was. Sorry if I sounded over-dramtic.
Powdder CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Zell Its just you... Goons aren't here to stay, they are the flavor of the month. as pointed out above, Ra is pulling the strings, IAC backs them in technology/industry. Take that away (IE, we are done now goons, go away) and they are once again meat shields for the universe. They have powerful, rich alliances. They are neither powerful nor rich themselves. When the puppetmasters are done with them, they are going back to the noob status they left before. By them selves they will never hold anything of value.... this statement is totally in contradiction to not only game mechanics, but goon history. First, the goons have been whipped out by bob before, yet surprise surprise, they are back, and badder than ever. second, do you really think that the goons don't continue to train skills simply to retain the status of noobs that you label them with? of course not. lot of us older players can beat a goon or 3 solo granted. But the goons don't bring 3 players to beat 1 person, they bring 20. Also add in the fact that the goons have been around for how long? I hardly think your assumption that the goons are a month long fire special is accurate. Begone. Pow
JackOfHearts Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Herculite Edited by: Herculite on 26/02/2007 17:24:18 Originally by: Helganstandt So anyway, point I'm making, the conflict isn't about conquest, it's about taking BoB out of the picture. They got too powerful and were arrogant about it, so people wanted to see them gone. It might be a WEEEEE bit early to be talking about an alliance with 3 titans, a massive cap fleet, and some of the best pilots in the game in the past tense. Who knows what the outcome will be, but personally I think it's going to be a long war.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:15:00 - [40] Hrm, I don't want to flame, but I think people posting in this topic are woefully ignorant of who Goonswarm is. I challange you to go to their website, look at their public forums, and do some research into the past of Goonswarm. What you will see will shock you, and hopefully make coalition members realize with whom they have aligned themselves. The short and sweet of it is that Goonswarm joins games with the intent to ruin them for other people (and has been quite successful in the past). I'm not going to get into an arguement about it here, go see for yourself.
redeyehunter Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Cupdeez I would say about 40% of the Goons have top notch skills. So take 3,000 members and out of that you have 1200 members that can PVP just as good as snip or LV. People say how good LV is but I didnÆt really see it. LV players drop a ton of T1 loot and all of the things they did in this game involved using more numbers then the enemy (I have no problem using what you have but LV canÆt use that against Goons). snip on the other hand has like 1800 members most of which are the same members with 3-6 accounts that are pretty much maxed out. I would say about 85-90% of there members are top notch players but they only can field about 300 members then they need to use other allies who are miners (AKA snip Meat Shield). Fill in the names here: RA is probably a little better then LV but I would say they are about 75-80% top notch PVP players but LV use to have numbers on them. I canÆt comment on CA since we are relatively new to the alliance. I can stay that IMP with its 800 members was in the 80-85% range for top notch PVP players. If snip dies and leaves all that space IÆm sure the coalition will divided up some of the area to make there boarders a little bit bigger then basically give the rest to anyone who wants to come and take it (It might look something like the Stain Region). If we do kick snip/LV and friends out of 0.0 IÆm sure they will reform and take some 0.0 space else where and then it all will just start over again. Welcome to 0.0 space. Do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) Not sure whom in thier right mind would bash LV players as not being skilled players. Come on we are fighting 5+ alliences with less number and still standing and still killing propotionaly more hostiles and in certain cases still holding systems(techical problems permitting. ccp need to fix those for everybodies sake). Our current fleet battles are like 85 LV vs 200+ hostiles and we still inflicting massive damage with our small numbers. When your alliance can hold out as long as we have under the circumstances then you have the right to bash LV all you want. I personally am proud of the performance of every single LV member I have met on the battlfield. We the OLD GUARD still stand Proud and Tall.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Ewa Quillam on 26/02/2007 22:27:19 Originally by: Wylker Hrm, I don't want to flame, but I think people posting in this topic are woefully ignorant of who Goonswarm is. I challange you to go to their website, look at their public forums, and do some research into the past of Goonswarm. What you will see will shock you, and hopefully make coalition members realize with whom they have aligned themselves. The short and sweet of it is that Goonswarm joins games with the intent to ruin them for other people (and has been quite successful in the past). I'm not going to get into an arguement about it here, go see for yourself. I'm sure they will ruin it for BoB. If not (and god of eve forbid that) BoB will surely ruin it for us, they've already started. I don't know any Goon or had to deal with, but I remember seeing a list of the goons that will be dread capable, well it was a 40 member list and counting... talk about them being poor. More than half of them had their dread... i guess we shall see some cap force display soon enough.
Avitar Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Avitar on 26/02/2007 22:46:29 I think this sums it up nicely.. Good Fight Goons T2 fitted goon pwn mobiles
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. The only thing that would concern me is account sharing. Other than that, I just see a bunch of whinning.
DeathBunny II The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. Oh Juba Corp does your insane bitterness have no bounds?
GanjaBear Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. Ace.. you are doing your alliance no favours.. that post sounds like a cry baby who has had its dummy taken away, LV is a proud alliance with a strong PvP base, making it look like a spoilt five year old deprived of its toys only demeans yourselves. stop crying and start doing what LV is famous for, when backed in a corner fihjt like hell..
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:44:00 - [48] Originally by: DeathBunny II Oh Juba Corp does your insane bitterness have no bounds? Who are you?
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:47:00 - [49] Originally by: GanjaBear Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. Ace.. you are doing your alliance no favours.. that post sounds like a cry baby who has had its dummy taken away, LV is a proud alliance with a strong PvP base, making it look like a spoilt five year old deprived of its toys only demeans yourselves. stop crying and start doing what LV is famous for, when backed in a corner fihjt like hell.. Ganja, I have been fighting, and will continue to do so, and enjoy the game greatly. However everyone knows the game mechanics, do not allow the game to be played the way it is designed. When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up.
GanjaBear Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: DeathBunny II Oh Juba Corp does your insane bitterness have no bounds? Who are you? some one who doesnt cry like a babe perhaps
GanjaBear Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:50:00 - [51] Quote: When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. so speak and we will continue to ignore whining and pleading, give you a tip my son, you will get far more respect when you stop crying on the forums and just pew pew
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:54:00 - [52] Edited by: Aceonfire on 26/02/2007 23:54:44 Originally by: GanjaBear Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: DeathBunny II Oh Juba Corp does your insane bitterness have no bounds? Who are you? some one who doesnt cry like a babe perhaps This coming from someone who lacks the backbone to post with their Goon main account? I posted facts, that is all. The only people who will percieve it as whining are the people who stand to lose by having the facts out in the open. Anyone else will wait and see what CCP decides to do with these facts. The game starts becoming extrememly frustrating, waiting 30 mins to login, or 10 mins for a module to activate, or any of the other problems that are associated with the current software/hardware abilities to handle the game mechanics put forth by CCP. To anyone who respects this game, anyone using a tactic to make that aspect even worse to gain an advantage, should be forced to mine veld in empire imo.
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:08:00 - [53] nice region, let's swarm it - Igneus Auctorita Video -
x racer Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:08:00 - [54] Edited by: x racer on 27/02/2007 00:10:02 Originally by: Wylker Hrm, I don't want to flame, but I think people posting in this topic are woefully ignorant of who Goonswarm is. I challange you to go to their website, look at their public forums, and do some research into the past of Goonswarm. What you will see will shock you, and hopefully make coalition members realize with whom they have aligned themselves. The short and sweet of it is that Goonswarm joins games with the intent to ruin them for other people (and has been quite successful in the past). I'm not going to get into an arguement about it here, go see for yourself. Have you done any research of Evolutions history in other games? If not, you might be suprised. x
pakpak Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:20:00 - [55] Quote: I posted facts, that is all. The only people who will percieve it as whining are the people who stand to lose by having the facts out in the open. Nope.. its definatly a whine...
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:26:00 - [56] Originally by: pakpak Quote: I posted facts, that is all. The only people who will percieve it as whining are the people who stand to lose by having the facts out in the open. Nope.. its definatly a whine... K, but only since someone of your importance says so.
pakpak Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: pakpak Quote: I posted facts, that is all. The only people who will percieve it as whining are the people who stand to lose by having the facts out in the open. Nope.. its definatly a whine... K, but only since someone of your importance says so. want a hanky to dry those tears?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Space Harrier Which factions will grow closer together and which will break and grow apart. As far as im aware the current coalition is purely to kill Bob, since 0.0 people in general don't like too much blue around all that much a lot of them will prolly go back to being neutral after the war. Wake up, nobody can kill an alliance. ----- History is made by whinners
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:53:00 - [59] Edited by: elohllird on 27/02/2007 00:49:28 /me is scared by the school of applied knowledge post with your main! ffs and saying someone is whining, when hiding behind an alt is as funny as f*** grow some balls girls
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 26/02/2007 21:17:43 This is, in all honesty, the exact image of the Gothic tribes vs the Roman legions. The roman legions were highly skilled troops who had proven themselves time and time again as effecient killing and conquering juggernauts. The goths were less disciplined, although they did posess some skill as individual warriors, but didn't fight because they were told, instead fighting with passion and for a cause. They just swarmed their enemy with massive numbers, and while they were beaten time and time again, they kept at it, tossing themselves into the fray regardless of their own lives. And eventually the Romans broke, under the wight of their own empire and being unable to guard all of the frontiers at the same time. The goths overran, and demolished, the roman empire. I believe that someone, in the wardec post, said something along the lines of : "Attacking east now are we? Because that worked out so well for Napolean. How very wise this person was. Sorry if I sounded over-dramtic. It's funny, you wouldn't be able to count how many terrible WW2 analogies get drawn on goonfleet.com This one's not so bad except uh, beaten time and time again? There have been fleet fight losses in the past couple of months, a couple of big ones, but I'm pretty sure they number less than the victories. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:00:00 - [61] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: GanjaBear Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. I also believe there is a huge amount of account sharing in Goonfleet. I have a goon source that has informed me of many of these new accounts being shared by whoever is online, just to show numbers. Everyone in EVE should be worried about this, because of the current lack of ability for the game to support a system with anything over 2 to 300 pilots. Of course CCP will not do much about this, because to them, these accounts are bringing them money. I have been working on this for quite some time, and will continue to try to get more solid evidence, and present it to CCP. Ace.. you are doing your alliance no favours.. that post sounds like a cry baby who has had its dummy taken away, LV is a proud alliance with a strong PvP base, making it look like a spoilt five year old deprived of its toys only demeans yourselves. stop crying and start doing what LV is famous for, when backed in a corner fihjt like hell.. Ganja, I have been fighting, and will continue to do so, and enjoy the game greatly. However everyone knows the game mechanics, do not allow the game to be played the way it is designed. When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. See folks. . .this is why ol' Ace here is MUCH more suited to playing WOW than he is to playing EVE. He seems to think that if he pays CCP long enough and gets the most skillpoints and the best items/ship/whatever that he should automatically win. Sorry to break it to ya, but it don't work that way. Keep cryin', but the fact of the matter is that LV has had just as many opportunities to blob Goons. . .problem is you guys can't field the numbers because your players aren't as committed. Also, while I hardly ever hear an excuse outta the Goons mouth for losing a battle here or an engagement there. . .the only thing I hear outta LV is whines whines and more whines. Keep it up Ace, maybe eventually you'll be able to convince more than just your members that you AREN'T being totally annihilated by a buncha noobs. I mean, seriously, this whole Devswarm idea that you've been preaching along with the Goons only win through numbers BS is classic. Goons have been kicking your butt because: 1. LV leadership is non-existent except on EVE-O. 2. Goons didn't **** off a buncha Russians by ridiculing them over and over about real life issues and instead joined up with them. 3. Goons uses its numbers while LV gets lucky if 20 people show up. However. . .please go ahead and emasculate yourself some more tho for all the rest of us here. It's VERY amusing! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:13:00 - [62] Originally by: PDoggy Goonswarm threads are the new BoB threads c/d? As far as I know the only goal is to kill people that act like**gots, not become "omnipotence itself" like BoB. All class, all the time. This should have been modded out, but I guess goonies get all the breaks these days. fofofofofo~ People getting on the Goonswarm bandwagon at this point *** me up. They are more of a threat to the integrity of Eve than BoB ever was. Breaking games is what they do -- they don't give a crap about the game or the people in it. It's all just material for strutting and posturing on SomethingAwful.com.
Khetchi Amarr Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:21:00 - [63] Edited by: Khetchi on 27/02/2007 01:17:54 Originally by: Aceonfire When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. Sadly, games such as this tend to reward those players who are able to find the loopholes and exploit them the quickest. These "exploits" are an integral part of this, or any other, MMO whether you like them or not. Surely the devs will eventually find a way to close this exploit, but it won't take long before someone finds a new way to take advantage of the game mechanics to gain an advantage over others... and then the whole thing starts over again. Howeverm the biggest selling point EVE had over other MMOs for me is the fact that there were no WTFUBERPWN players in the game. A player in eve couldn't become an unkillable God-like beong with the ability to slaughter 1000+ "newbies" at once with no risk whatsoever. Anybody, regardless of what skills they have or what ship they are flying, can be killed at any time. Goonswarm is simply using the tactic that has been proven effective by Industrial Corps against PVP corps in the past, albeit on a much larger scale... Throwing a massive number of disposable ships against the expensive Capital ships and making it prohibitively expensive for the opposition to continue. You may not like it. Heck, I wouldn't like being on the receiving end of it myself. However, you have to remember that BoB itself used this tactic repeatedly during their war with ASCN, sending massive Battleship/cruiser fleets against ASCN Dreadnaught/Carrier fleets. Goonswarm is just taking a tactic proven effective by BoB and taking it to the obvious next level. As far as "closing" a system or "crashing" a node goes, again this is just an extension of tactics that have been used effectively in the past. How many times on the forums has it been pointed out that a corporation or alliance entered a system and immediatly began dumping jetcans in order to do this? Now Goonswarm is doing it more effectively with T1 frigates. Of course I have to disagree with you that this is "the single biggest problem with this game." In my opinion, the biggest problem with this game is the fact that older, more experienced players and corporations can roll over "newbies" with impunity and then brag about their prowess... as if camping a station with a Fleet Recon and ganking newbies who can barely fly a Cruiser is some sort of accomplishment, or gatecamping with three Battleships and ganking newbies trying to run courier missions somehow makes you a "pirate". This is why Goonswarm is getting so many new members every month... Think of it as "Revenge of the Noobs". After being walked over and griefed repeatedly in Highsec they are banding together and taking out their frustrations on those who have been laughing at them and giving them advice along the lines of "Stop being a Carebear and move to 0.0!" or "If you don't like it, go play WoW!" Well, they took your advice... They're no longer Carebears and have moved into 0.0, and they found out that they like going after uppity Elites and ganking them with frigates.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:27:00 - [64] Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: PDoggy Goonswarm threads are the new BoB threads c/d? As far as I know the only goal is to kill people that act like**gots, not become "omnipotence itself" like BoB. All class, all the time. This should have been modded out, but I guess goonies get all the breaks these days. fofofofofo~ People getting on the Goonswarm bandwagon at this point *** me up. They are more of a threat to the integrity of Eve than BoB ever was. Breaking games is what they do -- they don't give a crap about the game or the people in it. It's all just material for strutting and posturing on SomethingAwful.com. QFT mate, im going to LMAO when the truth finally dawns on the muppets
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:48:00 - [65] Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:53:00 - [66] Edited by: elohllird on 27/02/2007 01:51:23 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Im a main you muppet please log in first and check corp history... Who are you btw ,look abit of a noob tbh and you have rubbish hair ohh poo im not a main im err Avons alt..er no goddamn it whoops
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go hahahaha everyones ultimate goal would be to own all of 0.0 , it does not mean its achievable and to say thats the reason they should die is a poor argument tbh. My argument that all Goons are MUPPETS is a better
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Liquid Vision Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Oh yessirree, the righteous non-cheating, non-exploiting, non-eula breaking, non-client modifying forces of light are coming and they aren't going to take it anymore. Oh, do go on sir. Originally by: Liquid Vision Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Two questions. What do you suppose CCP should have done about all those goonies that modified their clients (as requested by their commanders and with the full knowledge of goon leadership)? Considering this is against the eula and gave the cheaters a distinct advantage over other players and all. On a scale from 1 to 10, how much of a hypocrit do you rate yourself? -- .sig apathy ftw
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Aceonfire It has become more and more apparant that the goons are doing everything they can to get as many accounts (regardless of skillpoints) into their alliance as possible. Their tactic, is simply to blob a system so horribly, that the game will not work anymore. This is evident by the number of brand new accounts, in their alliance, and at every major encounter in this war. During every Goon large scale encouter, a large percentage of the accounts involved are less than 1 month old, and in t1 frigates. If you were to add up the number of skillpoints in all of the Goon alliance, I would wager it is less than any single 1 well known corporation in any large alliance in EVE, or very close to it. HOW DARE GOONSWARM CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE MORE AND MORE MEMBERS OF THE SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM FORUMS TO PLAY WITH THEM! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS! FURTHERMORE, THE FACT THAT THERE IS A THIRTY-PAGE-LONG THREAD ON THE SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM FORUMS DETAILING GOONSWARM'S CONTINUED ACTIVITIES WHICH HAS TO BE RECREATED EVERY OTHER MONTH BECAUSE IT GETS TOO BIG IS UNFORGIVABLE. THEREFORE, I PUT IT TO YOU CCP. DISBAND THIS SCUM AND LET US RETURN TO THE DAYS WHEN ONLY THE ELITE COULD ENTER 0.0 SPACE.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:00:00 - [71] Originally by: elohllird Edited by: elohllird on 27/02/2007 01:51:23 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Im a main you muppet please log in first and check corp history... Who are you btw ,look abit of a noob tbh and you have rubbish hair ohh poo im not a main im err Avons alt..er no goddamn it whoops Wha?? Since when does corp history have a damn thing to do w/ being an alt? Destructive Influence. . .Constructive Influence. . .hrm..... I mean, why even play at not being a BOB alt? It isn't like you're trying to be subtle or clever about it. And your character looks like a monkey you "muppet". Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Talen Reaper AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Mistress Suffering This thread is silly. Goons are one piece of many. They're not playing with some huge banked set of advantages from being here a long time and recruiting only the most experienced guys around. They're just a big group of players who have fun together. They're not special, they're just loud and boisterous. If BoB loses this war it won't be because 'Goons toppled them', it will be from the combined distaste of a great many alliances. I don't know much about the goonswarm as I have only encountered Burn Eden & I do know that BE are very good at pvp and are highly respected in the north ..BE is one corp I would much rather call friend than enemy....and would put money on in any engagement with bob or there slaves. In any case, its far from over.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Liquid Vision on 27/02/2007 03:08:28 Originally by: prsr Originally by: Liquid Vision Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Oh yessirree, the righteous non-cheating, non-exploiting, non-eula breaking, non-client modifying forces of light are coming and they aren't going to take it anymore. Oh, do go on sir. Originally by: Liquid Vision Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. Two questions. What do you suppose CCP should have done about all those goonies that modified their clients (as requested by their commanders and with the full knowledge of goon leadership)? Considering this is against the eula and gave the cheaters a distinct advantage over other players and all. On a scale from 1 to 10, how much of a hypocrit do you rate yourself? Obviously CCP decided that w/e the Goons did wasn't worth punishing them over. They DID decide to punish T20. . .after six months of letting BOB keep the ill-gotten BPOs and whatnot of course. C'mon bro, quit lying to yourself. You and your alliance are going down in flames because of the choices you made, not because of any cheating or exploiting or dev favoritism that's going on. In fact, trying to point out the specks of impropriety in other alliances when compared to those done by the Bobbits is just plain asinine, especially considering some of the things LV has done in its day. It's like if I saw someone murder somebody in RL and instead of getting upset about it I excused their actions but screamed to high heaven about the kid that stole a piece of gum. Come off it already. Sounds to me, mate, like YOU'RE the hypocrit. It's all fun and games and smack talk until people get fed up with your nonsense and then it's "ban the Goonies!" and "The Devswarm gets GM help to take our systems" and whatnot. Face it. . .you've lost respect from the entire EVE community and the only folks even pretending to support you now are the ones that want to see "the 'Train" derail itself before its righteous wrath reaches their space. If you REALLY just HAVE to blame somebody tho. . .why doncha direct all your complaints to CCP instead of tossing your whines about EVE-O? CCP is the one that has pushed the game to where it is today. CCP is the one that never bothers to enforce the EULA unless it's against random noobs in Empire who can't really affect their subscription numbers. . .not the Goons. The Goons are just helping remove you from space that you obviously don't deserve to hold on to. Lotka Volterra, my friend. . .survival of the fittest and all that good stuff. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Meter Caldari Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:19:00 - [74] Guys when someone is able to bring more ships to a fleet engagement than you are, that's an exploit.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:42:00 - [75] Hey LV, why don't you retreat to Stain about it?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:45:00 - [76] Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now. Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Liquid Vision Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. But they have done as I have pointed out, have they not? Are you in any way denying that Goon has done as I described?
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Liquid Vision He seems to think that if he pays CCP long enough and gets the most skillpoints and the best items/ship/whatever that he should automatically win. Liquid Vision...I have roughly 7 million sp's, have been active in this game for only about 6 months total, and have roughly 2 million isk and 10 tech 1 ships to my name. Not to mention I only have 1 account.
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Akov Stohs Originally by: Liquid Vision Funny, because from what I hear any Goon member that fofofofos in any channel other than the Goon one gets a hefty fine first and then gets the boot on the next offence. Guess you need to find some other minor speck of dirt to try and justify being on BOBs side. But they have done as I have pointed out, have they not? Are you in any way denying that Goon has done as I described? A node has never crashed due to 'fofofo'. You're just making yourself look dumb by saying it. Chat servers are different server entirely from the game servers. Its not even possible. But keep grasping at anything to explain how you died. Clearly you can never lose to someone with less skillpoints!!! Originally by: Liquid Vision...I have roughly 7 million sp's, have been active in this game for only about 6 months total, and have roughly 2 million isk and 10 tech 1 ships to my name. Not to mention I only have 1 account. About 700 goons have more SP than you then. Get out of 0.0 noob. You dont have the enough skillpoints to be there.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:33:00 - [81] Edited by: Akov Stohs on 27/02/2007 04:30:44 Originally by: Double Stuff A node has never crashed due to 'fofofo'. You're just making yourself look dumb by saying it. Chat servers are different server entirely from the game servers. Its not even possible. But keep grasping at anything to explain how you died. Clearly you can never lose to someone with less skillpoints!!! Such hateful Flame, Please edit your post to be civil, and then i will respond. Thank you :] edit: removal of quotes
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? RA - Famous for Logoffski! In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. nod I'm not saying anything, I didn't say anything then, and I'm not saying anything now. You aren't the brightest Caldari that ever took a whizz in their pod are you? If you think that saying "fofofofo" or "gg" or anything in local has anything at all to do with a node crash, I'd like you to make a brand new alt account on a 14 day and see what the Caldari rookie channel and help channel is like. Over 2000 people can be in these channels and alot of talking is going on. ALOT. I always knew Caldari people were retarded.....
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:59:00 - [83] It's so sad to see, really. The LV leadership are doing an exponentially greater amount of damage to their own alliance than the Goons are. Just as an update for those of you that are still in the dark. . .several LV corps have called it quits, the LV leadership has officially decided to pull out to Stain, and the Bobbits said no thanks to the LV folks trying to come over to their side. Predator or prey? Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr You aren't the brightest Caldari that ever took a whizz in their pod are you? If you think that saying "fofofofo" or "gg" or anything in local has anything at all to do with a node crash, I'd like you to make a brand new alt account on a 14 day and see what the Caldari rookie channel and help channel is like. Over 2000 people can be in these channels and alot of talking is going on. ALOT. I always knew Caldari people were retarded..... Then, if its impossible for it to have any affect on the server, where the goons punished by gms? and why as it was posted above against their new policy? If there is no ill-effects, why would there have been any negative reactions from the powers that be? And again, keep it civil. I make no personal attacks, if you can not do the same, please refrain from posting.
Verona Carrabanos Rumor Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Verona Carrabanos on 27/02/2007 05:22:07 Originally by: Akov Stohs Then, if its impossible for it to have any affect on the server, where the goons punished by gms? and why as it was posted above against their new policy? If there is no ill-effects, why would there have been any negative reactions from the powers that be? And again, keep it civil. I make no personal attacks, if you can not do the same, please refrain from posting. You're fooling yourself if you think accusing a playerbase of 2000 of exploiting isn't a personal attack. It's more likely that the GMs asked Goonswarm to cease their "fofo" battle cry because of the multitude of OMGHAX petitions that clueless followers of your Alliance's party line would file, bogging down the petition system with complaints that are completely without base or merit. --- This is rumor control. Here are the facts.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:36:00 - [86] I accused no one of anything.... They fofofofoed, the server lagged and crashed under circumstances that previously and since, have held. Goon was punished both by gms, and apparently their own leadership. I don't accuse any one of anything, no one here, not even you, deny the events. I did not call it an exploit, and I have remained extremely civil and patient. Heck, I even post with my main! What more could you ask of me? I ask that you do the same.
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... They fofofofoed, the server lagged and crashed under circumstances that previously and since, have held. Goon was punished both by gms, and apparently their own leadership. I don't accuse any one of anything, no one here, not even you, deny the events. I did not call it an exploit, and I have remained extremely civil and patient. Heck, I even post with my main! What more could you ask of me? I ask that you do the same. You gotta stop sniffing the fart bubbles in your pod. The GM that did that was punshed by CCP, not the other way around. He's been taken off the case and sent to patrol Duripant with all the other rookie pilots. Another Caldari lie. Is this a surprise to anyone?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:49:00 - [88] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr You gotta stop sniffing the fart bubbles in your pod. The GM that did that was punshed by CCP, not the other way around. He's been taken off the case and sent to patrol Duripant with all the other rookie pilots. Another Caldari lie. Is this a surprise to anyone? and there are no Privateers in Jita...right?
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Double Stuff About 700 goons have more SP than you then. Get out of 0.0 noob. You dont have the enough skillpoints to be there. Ahh, now the true Goon colors are shining through.
Verona Carrabanos Rumor Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" ... In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . --- This is rumor control. Here are the facts.
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Akov Stohs Originally by: Victoria DeBurr You gotta stop sniffing the fart bubbles in your pod. The GM that did that was punshed by CCP, not the other way around. He's been taken off the case and sent to patrol Duripant with all the other rookie pilots. Another Caldari lie. Is this a surprise to anyone? and there are no Privateers in Jita...right? Jita, is that Caldari for "Dirty Toliet"?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Verona Carrabanos This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . To do so would be violation of forum rules, and you know that. Not sure who you are talking about back pedalling to stain.... and please, move to your main, or go away.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr Originally by: Akov Stohs Jita, is that Caldari for "Dirty Toliet"? roughly translated, it means "Lag Hole", which if you translate to Amarrian, and then Gallentian it comes out to Dirty Toilet, but then again translating anything from Amarrian to Gallentian turns out about simular
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:07:00 - [94] Originally by: Akov Stohs Originally by: Victoria DeBurr Originally by: Akov Stohs Jita, is that Caldari for "Dirty Toliet"? roughly translated, it means "Lag Hole", which if you translate to Amarrian, and then Gallentian it comes out to Dirty Toilet, but then again translating anything from Amarrian to Gallentian turns out about simular Soo pretty much you again, Caldari people are dirty toliets.
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:08:00 - [95] Edited by: Aceonfire on 27/02/2007 06:05:22 Originally by: Verona Carrabanos Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" ... In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . I suggest finding a new name for your alt posting corp, as you are horrible at "rumor control" Goons were warned in DG- during the first or 2nd large engagement in that system, at the start of the war. Since then, Goons have not dared spam in local like that again. I was there. As far as crashing a node causing lag, anyone who has been in local when 150 people all start spamming local with garbage, knows it causes the server to come to a crawl. We don't need some Goon alt like yourself, created to post on the forum, to validate anything.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Aceonfire Edited by: Aceonfire on 27/02/2007 06:05:22 Originally by: Verona Carrabanos Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" ... In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . I suggest finding a new name for your alt posting corp, as you are horrible at "rumor control" Goons were warned in DG- during the first or 2nd large engagement in that system, at the start of the war. Since then, Goons have not dared spam in local like that again. I was there. As far as crashing a node causing lag, anyone who has been in local when 150 people all start spamming local with garbage, knows it causes the server to come to a crawl. We don't need some Goon alt like yourself, created to post on the forum, to validate anything. Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Pax Uranus Sofa.Kingdom	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:28:00 - [97] Oh Mittani. I see what you did there. Having some of your operatives who've infiltrated LV start going ape via brainless flagellation in inane CAOD threads to somehow make LV look even funnier is a masterstroke. The thing that troubles me though is that now that your involvement has been revealed, is the "Aceonfire" character going to have to be sold off? Why waste an operative like that? If somehow I'm wrong, well wow. Keep the comedy coming. Keep on truckin' Mister Ace. Keep on truckin'.
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:28:00 - [98] Originally by: Aceonfire Edited by: Aceonfire on 27/02/2007 06:05:22 Originally by: Verona Carrabanos Originally by: Akov Stohs I accused no one of anything.... Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" ... In huge droves of both of those alliances have openly done those things, and are openly proud of it. This is an accusation, and is patently false. If you can cite specific examples as to when a node has crashed due to excessive Local chatter by Goonswarm, please do so. If you can show an instance where GMs "punished" anyone in Goonswarm (keeping in mind that politely asking them to stop is hardly punishment), please do so. Not hearsay, not theory - FACT. The burden of proof is on the accuser, otherwise all you're doing is spreading rumors. Not to mention furiously backpedalling all the way to Stain . I suggest finding a new name for your alt posting corp, as you are horrible at "rumor control" Goons were warned in DG- during the first or 2nd large engagement in that system, at the start of the war. Since then, Goons have not dared spam in local like that again. I was there. As far as crashing a node causing lag, anyone who has been in local when 150 people all start spamming local with garbage, knows it causes the server to come to a crawl. We don't need some Goon alt like yourself, created to post on the forum, to validate anything. How about "Welcome to Stain Have a Nice Day INC"?
Macdeth Ephemeral Misgivings	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:29:00 - [99] Originally by: Aceonfire As far as crashing a node causing lag, anyone who has been in local when 150 people all start spamming local with garbage, knows it causes the server to come to a crawl. Repetition does not make reality. One line of chat is one server message sent to each person in the channel. Contrast this to merely 100 ships on a grid, flying about and shooting at each other, bearing in mind that every single movement and nearly every module activation made by each of those 100 ships must be relayed to every one of the others. A hundred ships on a grid in combat is generally very playable any time but weekends, and thousands of times the load of a few hundred chat messages. Please abandon your delusion.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:30:00 - [100] Originally by: Liquid Vision Originally by: Aceonfire Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! Are you incappible of being Nice? or atleast respectful?
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:35:00 - [101] Originally by: Akov Stohs Originally by: Liquid Vision Originally by: Aceonfire Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! Are you incappible of being Nice? or atleast respectful? To someone like Ace? Hell no. He lost mine and just about everyone's respect a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. 'Sides. . .if you can't take the heat. . .stay outta the kitchen. . .or fire. . .or however that saying goes. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Verona Carrabanos Rumor Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:40:00 - [102] Originally by: Aceonfire I suggest finding a new name for your alt posting corp, as you are horrible at "rumor control" Goons were warned in DG- during the first or 2nd large engagement in that system, at the start of the war. Since then, Goons have not dared spam in local like that again. I was there. As far as crashing a node causing lag, anyone who has been in local when 150 people all start spamming local with garbage, knows it causes the server to come to a crawl. We don't need some Goon alt like yourself, created to post on the forum, to validate anything. The logs from the GM encounter in DG- were posted and reposted on many publicly viewable forums. No official warning was given. Once again, rumor. As for my lineage, what this board "needs" is a healthy purging of arrogant, propagandizing talking heads from dying alliances who'd rather grasp at straws and proclaim phantom exploits as the cause of their downfall rather than accepting defeat with some dignity. I guess neither of us will get what we want. --- This is rumor control. Here are the facts.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:42:00 - [103] Edited by: Akov Stohs on 27/02/2007 06:38:52 Originally by: Verona Carrabanos ... what this board "needs" is a healthy purging of arrogant, propagandizing talking heads ... so stop posting </humor> edit: sorry for the personal attack...but I truely thouht it was commedy and not ment to taken personally
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:48:00 - [104] Originally by: Liquid Vision Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! My point, as you proved in your post, is a complete lack of maturity, respect, and in general, class by the vast majority of Goonfleet.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:52:00 - [105] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 27/02/2007 06:48:37 Kindergarten online that's all that comes into my mind after reading the last pages ...
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:57:00 - [106] Originally by: Topaz Skydiver Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 27/02/2007 06:48:37 Kindergarten online that's all that comes into my mind after reading the last pages ... Thats Completely unfair! most kindergarteners act way better then ANY of us on this forum
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Liquid Vision Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! My point, as you proved in your post, is a complete lack of maturity, respect, and in general, class by the vast majority of Goonfleet. Ok....remind me who sued who over a spaceship game again... Spoken like a true Caldari, through the side of his mouth.
Arcturus Delanto Caldari W R U	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:00:00 - [108] Edited by: Arcturus Delanto on 27/02/2007 06:57:18 removed
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:07:00 - [109] Originally by: Liquid Vision Mostly crap, nonsense, flames, general dumbness Who are you? Why are you involved so heatedly in this discussion? For someone whos accusing others of being Bob alts (quite heatedly if I do say so) you sure do smell like a goon. So um, PWYM?
Sigmorhair Gallente Eisenmetal	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:16:00 - [110] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Liquid Vision Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! God the irony. You guys blatantly cheat to get a mothership. Then you cry and moan that goonfleet (only 1 of the many alliances fighting you) brings a lot of people to fights. Grow up. My point, as you proved in your post, is a complete lack of maturity, respect, and in general, class by the vast majority of Goonfleet.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Liquid Vision Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! My point, as you proved in your post, is a complete lack of maturity, respect, and in general, class by the vast majority of Goonfleet. Funny that you try pegging me as a Goonie to justify your huge loads of bullbutter. All you've got left is weak excuses and loads of crap to sling, hoping that eventually some minor part of it might stick. Tho, ya know what. . .I'm TOTALLY sure that LV has been NOTHING BUT class. I mean, saying all the Russians had to run plexes and whatnot to feed their families. . .THAT'S some classy stuff right there. Funny considering that those same guys are taking a break from "feeding their families" so they can feed you a huge load of crow. I hope it tastes good! Plus, someone please tell me how many official Goons post here other than Tetsujin and Mittani.....then point out all the sad LV flamers that troll these boards constantly instead of working to save their space. My point exactly. The tears of LV feed the 'Train. . .and it rolls on and on. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:18:00 - [112] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Liquid Vision Mostly crap, nonsense, flames, general dumbness Who are you? Why are you involved so heatedly in this discussion? For someone whos accusing others of being Bob alts (quite heatedly if I do say so) you sure do smell like a goon. So um, PWYM? And who exactly are YOU again running around always slamming the Goons and licking BOB's rectum? So um, PWYM? Jesus. . .either get some skill or just leave. . .you're embarrassing yourself. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:21:00 - [113] Originally by: Aceonfire Originally by: Liquid Vision Again, what's your point? That you're a whiny sore loser? Goons haven't been fofoing any local channels for awhile now and they're STILL cleaning house with you. Oh, that's right. . .the GMs are secretly offlining all of LVs towers so the Goons can take over. Send us all a postcard from Stain bro. . .and make sure to let us know how the petitions against the Devswarm go! My point, as you proved in your post, is a complete lack of maturity, respect, and in general, class by the vast majority of Goonfleet. As someone else brought up, who "bribed" someone to spill the beans and won a mothership from a rigged contest again? Have you Caldari no souls? If you fly with Lotka Volterra, you fly with unclean toliets and fartbubbles in your pod.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:30:00 - [114] I'm really confused about this Liquid Vision chap's position, he seems to be jumping the fence back and forth, one minute anti-GS/pro-LV, the other anti-LV/pro-GS, but either way I think we can all agree that he should just stop posting. :)
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:31:00 - [115] To hell with it, you should all just stop. :)
Aceonfire Caldari JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Victoria DeBurr Ok....remind me who sued who over a spaceship game again... Spoken like a true Caldari, through the side of his mouth. I don't know anything about legal issues of LV, and I'm sure you do not either. You are simply spamming rumors you have read on this forum. I do remember Goons having everyone from their alliance try to crash LV teamspeak ~ 2 weeks ago. They gave the anon. pw to their members and suddendly our TS server lobby filled up with Goonfleet. Even after they were banned, they were still able to join. Typical Goons.
TechnoMag Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:38:00 - [117] Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It would appear to me that they intend to dominate the game much in the same way that BoB has done for the last couple of years now. Goons cant hold any space without help from RA or other old alliance. They still lack in capital fleet and they still dont know how to fight. Im fighting with them daily and from what i see they r used by the RA, CA and others like a blob shield, they r sent in numbers to lock a system by blobing.
keesie	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:40:00 - [118] As an outsider newbie interested in Eve-politics I can say you look ******* retarded for flaming people on their choice of ingame race. The people saying 'lol i knew caldari where retarded' really need to go outside a bit more because you're on the brink of being a complete imbecile. That is all.
Victoria DeBurr Gallente Renyn Supply Company	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:48:00 - [119] Originally by: keesie As an outsider newbie interested in Eve-politics I can say you look ******* retarded for flaming people on their choice of ingame race. The people saying 'lol i knew caldari where retarded' really need to go outside a bit more because you're on the brink of being a complete imbecile. That is all. Spoken like a true Caldari boot-licker. Say wise brain child with no social skills (lol 3 cha) you have to click some magical things in order to post here without getting your post removed. But that's too hard for you Caldari types isn't it?
redeyehunter Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Khetchi Edited by: Khetchi on 27/02/2007 01:17:54 Originally by: Aceonfire When an entire alliances sets in action a plan to exploit, what is without a doubt, the single biggest problem with this game, I feel someone should speak up. Sadly, games such as this tend to reward those players who are able to find the loopholes and exploit them the quickest. These "exploits" are an integral part of this, or any other, MMO whether you like them or not. Surely the devs will eventually find a way to close this exploit, but it won't take long before someone finds a new way to take advantage of the game mechanics to gain an advantage over others... and then the whole thing starts over again. Howeverm the biggest selling point EVE had over other MMOs for me is the fact that there were no WTFUBERPWN players in the game. A player in eve couldn't become an unkillable God-like beong with the ability to slaughter 1000+ "newbies" at once with no risk whatsoever. Anybody, regardless of what skills they have or what ship they are flying, can be killed at any time. Goonswarm is simply using the tactic that has been proven effective by Industrial Corps against PVP corps in the past, albeit on a much larger scale... Throwing a massive number of disposable ships against the expensive Capital ships and making it prohibitively expensive for the opposition to continue. You may not like it. Heck, I wouldn't like being on the receiving end of it myself. However, you have to remember that BoB itself used this tactic repeatedly during their war with ASCN, sending massive Battleship/cruiser fleets against ASCN Dreadnaught/Carrier fleets. Goonswarm is just taking a tactic proven effective by BoB and taking it to the obvious next level. As far as "closing" a system or "crashing" a node goes, again this is just an extension of tactics that have been used effectively in the past. How many times on the forums has it been pointed out that a corporation or alliance entered a system and immediatly began dumping jetcans in order to do this? Now Goonswarm is doing it more effectively with T1 frigates. Of course I have to disagree with you that this is "the single biggest problem with this game." In my opinion, the biggest problem with this game is the fact that older, more experienced players and corporations can roll over "newbies" with impunity and then brag about their prowess... as if camping a station with a Fleet Recon and ganking newbies who can barely fly a Cruiser is some sort of accomplishment, or gatecamping with three Battleships and ganking newbies trying to run courier missions somehow makes you a "pirate". This is why Goonswarm is getting so many new members every month... Think of it as "Revenge of the Noobs". After being walked over and griefed repeatedly in Highsec they are banding together and taking out their frustrations on those who have been laughing at them and giving them advice along the lines of "Stop being a Carebear and move to 0.0!" or "If you don't like it, go play WoW!" Well, they took your advice... They're no longer Carebears and have moved into 0.0, and they found out that they like going after uppity Elites and ganking them with frigates. So this is war of Noobs vs Ubers. Well Ubers the Noobs are laying the gaunlet down. You know which side you need to join.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Tetsujin I'm really confused about this Liquid Vision chap's position, he seems to be jumping the fence back and forth, one minute anti-GS/pro-LV, the other anti-LV/pro-GS, but either way I think we can all agree that he should just stop posting. :) When have I ever once been "pro LV?" Maybe you should stick to making fun of dead folks instead of trying to be witty. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
redeyehunter Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:56:00 - [122] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go Every Alliance wants to own all of 0.0 , thats not s a bad thing. If every alliance want to own 0.0 there will always be war and these so called opertunities. If you thin Goon are going to make it better you are sadly mislead and mistaken.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:04:00 - [123] Originally by: Space Harrier Originally by: Splagada when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem Yeah no doubt! I personally see this as a kind of "New EVE vs Old EVE contest" Pound for pound, old EVE is definitely stronger, yet the sheer weight of numbers that goon coalition can bring to the fight reduce that advantage to nothing. I mean, look at LV for instance, they just lost a Titan under construction in their most heavily fortified system because the servers were crippled by the coalition fleet! Thats no fine way to loose a Titan, but it sure as hell was effective! If I was a betting man, I put my money on "New EVE" after all, one can only stay king of the hill for so long. So, since we all know that the servers cant handle one alliance much less 15-20, its ok to crash the servers in order to advance your own agenda? We all know they will crash yet there is NO way to stop it unless CCP comes out and says point balnk, you better not jump that many people into a sytem again..or else. Unless its put to a stop, it will continue to be abused...as it has already.
Mirth Carthago F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:07:00 - [124] Originally by: keesie I've got no emoticon available to show you my condoleances for your mental state. Are you just kidding or are you really that lost in a ***** computergame you worthless piece of **? Don't bother applying for GS, you failed the entry exam
keesie	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:09:00 - [125] Originally by: Mirth Carthago Don't bother applying for GS, you failed the entry exam Oh really, I think my 4 year old SA account will do.
Mirth Carthago F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:11:00 - [126] Well excuse me, I thought a sense of humor was required there
keesie	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:15:00 - [127] Originally by: Mirth Carthago Well excuse me, I thought a sense of humor was required there Nah, just the motivation to peew peew away the lives of ****socking cases of utter sadness.
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:29:00 - [128] Originally by: Liquid Vision I rethought it and that's too harsh to be saying, even for me. Sorry you don't enjoy my posts. I thought they were rather entertaining. . . Well hot damn that's the first correct decision you've made all day.
FatKao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:36:00 - [129] Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 27/02/2007 08:13:27 Originally by: Tetsujin I'm really confused about this Liquid Vision chap's position, he seems to be jumping the fence back and forth, one minute anti-GS/pro-LV, the other anti-LV/pro-GS, but either way I think we can all agree that he should just stop posting. :) I rethought it and that's too harsh to be saying, even for me. Sorry you don't enjoy my posts. I thought they were rather entertaining. . . just because dbp stopped posting doesn't mean you have to take his pl ac e -fk
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:47:00 - [130] Originally by: Liquid Vision Obviously CCP decided that w/e the Goons did wasn't worth punishing them over. They DID decide to punish T20. . .after six months of letting BOB keep the ill-gotten BPOs and whatnot of course. And whatnot? What exactly? You're speculating. I'm talking about cold hard proof of more then half the goons breaking the eula, nothing vague about that. Your opinion seems to be that it doesn't matter since CCP didn't do anything about it. I love your consistency mr. alt. Originally by: Liquid Vision You and your alliance are going down in flames because of the choices you made, not because of any cheating or exploiting or dev favoritism that's going on. My alliance is fine thank you. I dunno why you are projecting your issues on me there. I was just asking you for an opinion to see how consistent you really are. Originally by: Liquid Vision In fact, trying to point out the specks of impropriety in other alliances when compared to those done by the Bobbits is just plain asinine Specks?! A whole alliance promoting the alteration of the client for direct benefits over others in the game. Stop downplaying it please, it's the single biggest case of people breaking the EULA and there's actual proof. I'm not talking about a few simple t2 bpo's mate. Originally by: Liquid Vision Sounds to me, mate, like YOU'RE the hypocrit. It's all fun and games and smack talk until people get fed up with your nonsense and then it's "ban the Goonies!" and "The Devswarm gets GM help to take our systems" and whatnot. I've said none of these things, neither has anyone of note in LV, again, stop projecting your issues pls. Originally by: Liquid Vision Face it. . .you've lost respect from the entire EVE community and the only folks even pretending to support you now are the ones that want to see "the 'Train" derail itself before its righteous wrath reaches their space. Wishful thinking. Originally by: Liquid Vision If you REALLY just HAVE to blame somebody tho. . .why doncha direct all your complaints to CCP instead of tossing your whines about EVE-O? Stop making stuff up. And stop accusing me of whining when it is you invading every thread with poor logic and reasoning trying to smear people. I wanted your opinion on the largest EULA breaking case ever in EVE and now i have it. "Specks" Whahaha. Good one. -- .sig apathy ftw
Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:34:00 - [131] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 27/02/2007 09:32:06 Originally by: redeyehunter Every Alliance wants to own all of 0.0 , thats not s a bad thing. If every alliance want to own 0.0 there will always be war and these so called opertunities. If you think Goon are going to make it better you are sadly mislead and mistaken. Yes, several alliances are similar to BoB in their thinking, but the point with BoB is that people are afraid that BoB can really manage to control all of 0.0. So they run around like 'Arghhh, BoB is going to kill EVE !' and believe every s**t that someone tells them. If BoB would really use some strange illegitimate top-secret fleet tactics that make use of internal knowledge about the server and stuff like that, then how long do you think that would stay a secret in a 1900 member alliance ? Yes, stupid. I mean even some newbies, who probably have never left high-sec, say something like 'Ahh, BoB the evil, I have no chance, they kill EVE ! They must die.' Hysteria in my eyes. Good thing is that there are still people, who stay cool. E.g. I have seen it from D2(ASW). Some of their alt fanboys started to talk trash again and then someone from ASW told him to shut-up or get a clue. That was nice. When something like that happens, I think: 'Respect. Good to see that there are still reasonable players on the side that goes against BoB.' Should happen more on all sides tbh. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:39:00 - [132] In other exciting news Bone manages to CJ into JV1V...undocks a Rupture and kills off a Goon in a noob ship () while making good the escape. After a pitstop in 9-9 to snare a couple of valuable mods an uneventful trip back to base ensues. Later...Bone makes a quick trip down to 77s on business and discovers the locale is decidely unfriendly. Station bubbled and camped? Yep. Ridiculous numbers of hostiles in local? Yep. Local jumps to well over 100 combined hostiles? Yep. Significant wastage of enemy scan probes? Yep. Free lesson to a pair of Goon tacklers that trying to engage a Stabber without backup is suicide? Yep. Bone engaging what he thought was an AFK Mega in a previously busted RA safe spot and running like hell when targetted? Hell yeah! Eventually getting out of the system and RTB? Yep. Stupidly engaging a solo UNL Hyperion without enough firepower later in the evening (he killed off three of us...good fight and man can that thing tank) and losing the lucky Stabber? Sigh...yep. Whats my point? Enough already with the squabbling and have fun...all the posturing and propaganda makes everyone look a bit silly. Play the game as it stands. Oh...and pardon me while I wave at Barbara Striesand-you know exactly WHO and more specifically-what you are "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:16:00 - [133] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Liquid Vision I rethought it and that's too harsh to be saying, even for me. Sorry you don't enjoy my posts. I thought they were rather entertaining. . . Well hot damn that's the first correct decision you've made all day. It's certainly better than talking to yourself. It's so obvious both chars are the same person.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:42:00 - [134] Originally by: redeyehunter Edited by: redeyehunter on 27/02/2007 07:58:48 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Liquid Vision Hey! Three BOB alt posts in a row! Seems to me like the EVE community has decided who's "bad" for the game and are doing what they have to in order to cleanse the game. Namely. . .wiping the cheating Bobbits off the map. Reap what you sow. I agree with the sentiment, but not the reason. SOME BoB cheated, but most almost certainly didn't. Thats not why I think they're bad for the game. I think they're bad for the game specifically because of what they themselves have been saying- their ultimate goal is to own all of 0.0. This is bad for the game- if only BoB owned 0.0, there would be no wars, no opportunities, no politics........no anything. EVE would be over. The Coalition, on the other hand- if the Coalition wins, then life carries on as normal. The moment the universal threat is gone, everyone can get back to regular game play- the alliances will go their separate ways, we'll see wars breaking out again, we'll see back stabbing and betrayal, we'll see new alliances and new coalitions.......we'll see everything that we've grown to love about EVE. So if BoB win, its game over- we need to go find a new game to play. If the Coalition win, then we all get to carry on playing. Thats why BoB need to go Every Alliance wants to own all of 0.0 , thats not s a bad thing. If every alliance want to own 0.0 there will always be war and these so called opertunities. If you think Goon are going to make it better you are sadly mislead and mistaken. Granted, but there are few alliances beside BoB who I think would actually manage it. Think of it as me being totally and entirely selfish (because I so am): BoB have declared that they want to own all of 0.0. I live in 0.0. I don't want to join BoB. So, at some point, BoB WILL be trying to wipe my alliance out- so we join in the pew against them. If I want to continue to play in 0.0, BoB can't be allowed to continue to grow in power- they would end my game playing of EVE if they did. Duplicate that across everyone who plays the game, and you've got EW1. BoBs mistake, if there is a single one, was declaring that, essentially, they are hostile to everyone, with no possible other options (conquering all of 0.0 makes all non-BoB 0.0 groups enemies). Thus, everyone who they've declared hostile to them are being hostile right back. -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:04:00 - [135] Originally by: FatKao Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 27/02/2007 08:13:27 Originally by: Tetsujin I'm really confused about this Liquid Vision chap's position, he seems to be jumping the fence back and forth, one minute anti-GS/pro-LV, the other anti-LV/pro-GS, but either way I think we can all agree that he should just stop posting. :) I rethought it and that's too harsh to be saying, even for me. Sorry you don't enjoy my posts. I thought they were rather entertaining. . . just because dbp stopped posting doesn't mean you have to take his pl ac e -fk Liquid, you are the worst goon alt poster I've seen. Worse than Cythereon. Worse than Roikorev. Shut up and stop it, your posts are like Armois trying to slapfight himself.
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:35:00 - [136] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: FatKao Originally by: Liquid Vision Edited by: Liquid Vision on 27/02/2007 08:13:27 Originally by: Tetsujin I'm really confused about this Liquid Vision chap's position, he seems to be jumping the fence back and forth, one minute anti-GS/pro-LV, the other anti-LV/pro-GS, but either way I think we can all agree that he should just stop posting. :) I rethought it and that's too harsh to be saying, even for me. Sorry you don't enjoy my posts. I thought they were rather entertaining. . . just because dbp stopped posting doesn't mean you have to take his pl ac e -fk Liquid, you are the worst goon alt poster I've seen. Worse than Cythereon. Worse than Roikorev. Shut up and stop it, your posts are like Armois trying to slapfight himself. That is some quality forum PWNAGE. The Mittani wins the thread
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:51:00 - [137] Originally by: prsr Specks?! A whole alliance promoting the alteration of the client for direct benefits over others in the game. Stop downplaying it please, it's the single biggest case of people breaking the EULA and there's actual proof. I'm not talking about a few simple t2 bpo's mate. Just wanted to comment on this particular statement. In Eve the severity of a crime is not measured by your standards unfortunately. The Goons didn't get punished for their infraction meaning what they did was not anything gamebreaking. What t20 and BoB did, was gamebreaking and hence T20 was punished. The fact that BoB leadership knew about it sickens me and the fact you are trying to defend that level of cheating sickens me even more. Btw comparing a simple UI mod to massive Dev corruption would be classed as grasping at straws. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Joao Gilberto Spartan Industrial Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:00:00 - [138] Originally by: Darken Two Btw comparing a simple UI mod to massive Dev corruption would be classed as grasping at straws. A wallhack is a Simple UI mod too.
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:07:00 - [139] Originally by: Joao Gilberto Originally by: Darken Two Btw comparing a simple UI mod to massive Dev corruption would be classed as grasping at straws. A wallhack is a Simple UI mod too. But they didnt wallhack and if it was as serious as a wallhack, CCP would have punished them don't ya think? I can understand that you don't like them but comeon we are comparing apples to oranges here plus this supposed "Wallhack" is now a feature. And the only real advantage it gave them as far as I can see is helping them offset RSI by reducing the number of rightclick--->show info they did. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:22:00 - [140] Originally by: Akov Stohs Goon - Famous For "fofofofofo<node crash>" How many accounts got suspended for that? I'm sorry but if CCP decide to suspend people for saying something once in localchat... I mean did they ? lol !
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:44:00 - [141] Originally by: Darken Two Just wanted to comment on this particular statement. In Eve the severity of a crime is not measured by your standards unfortunately. Your words, by my standards I'd have disbanded the offending alliance and corps and then started swinging the banhammer around at the worst offenders. Modifying the client is simply not done in an mmorpg, it breaks security fundamentally. I don't care if it was just replacing some pictures in a cache dir, it gave a clear advantage that others that actually did respect the EULA did not have. I'll remind you my corp was actually flying with the goons back then. I know exactly what went on there. I'm not trying to attack the goonies here btw, the case is obviously closed by CCP and I had fun flying with them and so did most of my corpmates. Originally by: Darken Two The Goons didn't get punished for their infraction meaning what they did was not anything gamebreaking. What t20 and BoB did, was gamebreaking and hence T20 was punished. The fact that BoB leadership knew about it sickens me and the fact you are trying to defend that level of cheating sickens me even more. Whats with this fallacy about things being ok as long as CCP doesn't act? Is that where the line is drawn these days, can't people assess their own actions anymore? Does being able to get away with breaking the EULA because it's nearly untraceable make it ok now? Someone is truly showing their standards here. Bob didn't get punished, afterall they didn't do anything wrong in-game. I'm also very interested in what you consider to be so gamebreaking about T20's mistake. I'm fairly sure that Bob pilots would have flown just as many dictors without that sabre bpo. Also, i'm still in eager anticipation of any evidence that shows bob leadership knew: A) Who T20's char was and B) That the bpo's were spawned instead of gotten through the lottery. Originally by: Darken Two Btw comparing a simple UI mod to massive Dev corruption would be classed as grasping at straws. Massive Dev corruption? Is that what we call it now when one dev operating alone gets himself a relatively lousy set of t2 bpos and then trades it to his corp leadership when he leaves without telling where they originated or even that he was a dev? I think it's pretty clear who's grasping for straws here. -- .sig apathy ftw
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:27:00 - [142] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Darken Two Just wanted to comment on this particular statement. In Eve the severity of a crime is not measured by your standards unfortunately. Your words, by my standards I'd have disbanded the offending alliance and corps and then started swinging the banhammer around at the worst offenders. Modifying the client is simply not done in an mmorpg, it breaks security fundamentally. I don't care if it was just replacing some pictures in a cache dir, it gave a clear advantage that others that actually did respect the EULA did not have. I'll remind you my corp was actually flying with the goons back then. I know exactly what went on there. I'm not trying to attack the goonies here btw, the case is obviously closed by CCP and I had fun flying with them and so did most of my corpmates. Originally by: Darken Two The Goons didn't get punished for their infraction meaning what they did was not anything gamebreaking. What t20 and BoB did, was gamebreaking and hence T20 was punished. The fact that BoB leadership knew about it sickens me and the fact you are trying to defend that level of cheating sickens me even more. Whats with this fallacy about things being ok as long as CCP doesn't act? Is that where the line is drawn these days, can't people assess their own actions anymore? Does being able to get away with breaking the EULA because it's nearly untraceable make it ok now? Someone is truly showing their standards here. Bob didn't get punished, afterall they didn't do anything wrong in-game. I'm also very interested in what you consider to be so gamebreaking about T20's mistake. I'm fairly sure that Bob pilots would have flown just as many dictors without that sabre bpo. Also, i'm still in eager anticipation of any evidence that shows bob leadership knew: A) Who T20's char was and B) That the bpo's were spawned instead of gotten through the lottery. Originally by: Darken Two Btw comparing a simple UI mod to massive Dev corruption would be classed as grasping at straws. Massive Dev corruption? Is that what we call it now when one dev operating alone gets himself a relatively lousy set of t2 bpos and then trades it to his corp leadership when he leaves without telling where they originated or even that he was a dev? I think it's pretty clear who's grasping for straws here. One dev operating alone would have been fine. The fact that he was found out 6 months ago and nothing was done about it is not fine. And as you state, you knew about this client modification by Goonies when you were flying with them. Did you report them as cheaters then? If you did not, I would like to know why. Poo flinging is fine as long as you're absolutely certain the other side has no poo to fling as well. Btw thanks for keeping it civil and non-emo. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:31:00 - [143] Originally by: Darken Two One dev operating alone would have been fine. The fact that he was found out 6 months ago and nothing was done about it is not fine. Action was taken, T20 had to give up his personal TQ accounts. If CCP admits they didn't follow proper procedure that doesn't mean nothing happened. It's also the whole reason T20 didn't get kicked out, he was already punished. As you might know, no civilized country allows taking somebody to court twice for the same thing. Same thing applies to T20's situation. Originally by: Darken Two And as you state, you knew about this client modification by Goonies when you were flying with them. Did you report them as cheaters then? If you did not, I would like to know why. Poo flinging is fine as long as you're absolutely certain the other side has no poo to fling as well. In short, our shared enemies at the time were fully aware of the modification. I'm pretty sure they petitioned the modification multiple times to CCP. So, no, I never petitioned it myself, I'm all too aware of the queues at customer support and didn't see any need to add to them. My corpmates never "installed" the modification to my knowledge and therefore the whole issue didn't apply to my corp anyway. Again, this is not about the goonies being ebil or anything (they might be, but thats another post). I have great fun shooting them now and theres quite a few decent people among them. All I'm trying to point out is that CCP has a record of being inconsistent with their own policies and it creates problems in this game. Seeing a case as T20's as anything else then the usual stumbling around in the dark of CCP while trying to uphold their own policies is akin to tinfoilhattery. CCP staff tried to minimize public attention while still punishing the developer and that solution came back to bite them in the ass 6 months later. I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson. If i wasn't so sure that Bob are having the time of their live in EVE right now I'd suggest CCP should do something to make it up to Bob. Afterall, it's CCP's problem that got projected onto Bob through no mistake of their own. -- .sig apathy ftw
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:44:00 - [144] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Darken Two One dev operating alone would have been fine. The fact that he was found out 6 months ago and nothing was done about it is not fine. Action was taken, T20 had to give up his personal TQ accounts. If CCP admits they didn't follow proper procedure that doesn't mean nothing happened. It's also the whole reason T20 didn't get kicked out, he was already punished. As you might know, no civilized country allows taking somebody to court twice for the same thing. Same thing applies to T20's situation. Originally by: Darken Two And as you state, you knew about this client modification by Goonies when you were flying with them. Did you report them as cheaters then? If you did not, I would like to know why. Poo flinging is fine as long as you're absolutely certain the other side has no poo to fling as well. In short, our shared enemies at the time were fully aware of the modification. I'm pretty sure they petitioned the modification multiple times to CCP. So, no, I never petitioned it myself, I'm all too aware of the queues at customer support and didn't see any need to add to them. My corpmates never "installed" the modification to my knowledge and therefore the whole issue didn't apply to my corp anyway. Again, this is not about the goonies being ebil or anything (they might be, but thats another post). I have great fun shooting them now and theres quite a few decent people among them. All I'm trying to point out is that CCP has a record of being inconsistent with their own policies and it creates problems in this game. Seeing a case as T20's as anything else then the usual stumbling around in the dark of CCP while trying to uphold their own policies is akin to tinfoilhattery. CCP staff tried to minimize public attention while still punishing the developer and that solution came back to bite them in the ass 6 months later. I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson. If i wasn't so sure that Bob are having the time of their live in EVE right now I'd suggest CCP should do something to make it up to Bob. Afterall, it's CCP's problem that got projected onto Bob through no mistake of their own. I agree all of BoB is not to blame for the actions of a few. That would be stupid. However, the few who were involved need to be punished just as the GOONs need to be punished if they were cheating as well. Equal standards for everyone or no standards at all. I don't think there is a middle road here. If BoB had years to mint money using Tech2 BPOs they spawned, thereby helping them replace ships they lost, how can anyone blame the goonies for having a client mod that shows them enemies in local so they dont lose their ships. And considering no action has been taken to remove the ill gotten ISK generated by BoB , I don't think it's fair to accuse the Goons of cheating either. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:44:00 - [145] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Darken Two One dev operating alone would have been fine. The fact that he was found out 6 months ago and nothing was done about it is not fine. Action was taken, T20 had to give up his personal TQ accounts. If CCP admits they didn't follow proper procedure that doesn't mean nothing happened. It's also the whole reason T20 didn't get kicked out, he was already punished. As you might know, no civilized country allows taking somebody to court twice for the same thing. Same thing applies to T20's situation. Originally by: Darken Two And as you state, you knew about this client modification by Goonies when you were flying with them. Did you report them as cheaters then? If you did not, I would like to know why. Poo flinging is fine as long as you're absolutely certain the other side has no poo to fling as well. In short, our shared enemies at the time were fully aware of the modification. I'm pretty sure they petitioned the modification multiple times to CCP. So, no, I never petitioned it myself, I'm all too aware of the queues at customer support and didn't see any need to add to them. My corpmates never "installed" the modification to my knowledge and therefore the whole issue didn't apply to my corp anyway. Again, this is not about the goonies being ebil or anything (they might be, but thats another post). I have great fun shooting them now and theres quite a few decent people among them. All I'm trying to point out is that CCP has a record of being inconsistent with their own policies and it creates problems in this game. Seeing a case as T20's as anything else then the usual stumbling around in the dark of CCP while trying to uphold their own policies is akin to tinfoilhattery. CCP staff tried to minimize public attention while still punishing the developer and that solution came back to bite them in the ass 6 months later. I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson. If i wasn't so sure that Bob are having the time of their live in EVE right now I'd suggest CCP should do something to make it up to Bob. Afterall, it's CCP's problem that got projected onto Bob through no mistake of their own. I agree all of BoB is not to blame for the actions of a few. That would be stupid. However, the few who were involved need to be punished just as the GOONs need to be punished if they were cheating as well. Equal standards for everyone or no standards at all. I don't think there is a middle road here. If BoB had years to mint money using Tech2 BPOs they spawned, thereby helping them replace ships they lost, how can anyone blame the goonies for having a client mod that shows them enemies in local so they dont lose their ships. And considering no action has been taken to remove the ill gotten ISK generated by BoB , I don't think it's fair to accuse the Goons of cheating either. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Vidar Kentoran Minmatar Provenance.	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:51:00 - [146] Quote: If i wasn't so sure that Bob are having the time of their live in EVE right now I'd suggest CCP should do something to make it up to Bob. I see, so you think cheaters should be compensated for their blatant cheating.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:05:00 - [147] Ok, every time someone brings up the massive cluster**** that was the BoBgate scandal, someone in LV or BoB goes "Ooh, but the goons put colored icons next to people's names in the chatbox once!" It's frankly a retarded comparison. Any form of logic other than that employed by emo whiners on forums can easily draw this distinction. Most MMO's allow modification of their client interface. Eve is a rare exception in that regard. The mod allowed them no abilities that the client did not confer already, it simply allowed them to access the same information faster. it was in fact such a great idea, that CCP itself later implemented it. BoBGate was the active interferance by a dev, abusing his power to help a particular player alliance in a particularly gamebreaking way that gave them a significant advantage in economic warfare. It would appear to any objective observer based on available evidence that BoB leadership, at least, absolutely knew this, and gave that developer a responsible position in their alliance as a result, and courted further influence from him. Forum hacking, ts hacking, whatever, both sides are about even there as far as I can tell. It's pretty clear to me that BoB started that particular arms race however. Bottom line. Comparing BoBGate to any of the little goober things people keep pulling up about Goons or other coalition members is like comparing a murder conviction to misdemeanor juvenile shoplifting. Stop making this lame argument as if it had merit.

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