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Scotlad Brass Monkeys	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:26:00 - [1] Forgot to add in my corp name. I dont know why you are all whining about Privateers. I am currently in a corp who was war deced by Privateers and we are loving it. Privateers were actually payed by another corp to war dec us because we war deced them and killed a few of their ships. We are not bitter and we are making the most of it. Sure it was a bit scary to start with but so far, one day into the war, we have had about 4-5 kills and only 1-2 loses. As many posts have said Privateers are mostly made up of small gangs so as long as you are not stupid you can avoid them or even gang up with others and fight back. Privateers is exactly what this game needs, too many people sit in Empire and never actually get involved in this game, I personally have done exactly that up until now. Being war deced by Privateers has opened a whole new chapter in this game for me and I think it is great. So stop all your whining and deal with it, this is after all a pvp game and it should not be changed to satisfy you lot whining when you are stupid enough to go to Jita, which you all know is lagged because of the amount of people that go there. Use your brains and use alts, or better still sell your stuff on the outskirts of Jita, that way it might just remove the amount of people that actually visit it. People like you cause the problem in Jita by selling the stuff there, if the stuff is moved to other systems then Jita wont be as lagged. Scotlad Brass Monkeys This is my own personal view and does not reflect the views of my corp or its members.
WETRAIN Minmatar R.U.S.T. Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:30:00 - [2] i am recruiting u know ----------------------------------------- RUST IS RECRUTING! -----------------------------------------
wild Ari Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Scotlad Post of the Month absolutely true.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Scotlad So stop all your whining and deal with it, this is after all a pvp game and it should not be changed to satisfy you lot whining when you are stupid enough to go to Jita, which you all know is lagged because of the amount of people that go there. Use your brains and use alts, or better still sell your stuff on the outskirts of Jita, that way it might just remove the amount of people that actually visit it. People like you cause the problem in Jita by selling the stuff there, if the stuff is moved to other systems then Jita wont be as lagged. Ok first off, this is not a PvP game, it a MMORPG... look it up because I can't be arsed to explain it. Second off, 4/5 kills?? sweet, i think they need a hall of fame thread just for you. (not sure if you noticed no small amount of sarcasm there) Next, PvP well that assumes its player VERSUS player ie the opposing player can fight back. Unfortunately Privateers have the rep of ganking haulers, ganking players whose screen is still loading in Jita etc etc. That just isn't PvP, thats cheap thrill tactics rather than any sort of real challenge that deserves respect. Aaaand finally.... if you want real PvP, try 0.0 where the real challenges lie and where pilots have to fight back or be slapped into oblivion. It's where pilots, corporations and alliances lay it all on the line with very few places to hide. It's where a PvP pilot earns his stripes, where corporations develop there reputation and alliances fight for survival on a daily basis.... ever seen privateers in 0.0?? Mate... ok one last point, get real... you have no clue, privateers are just quake in spacers looking for cheap kicks and leaving as soon as it gets rough. I think it's about time we started back deccing all those corps who find the going a wee bit too rough and leave privateers. ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Ritchler Gallente BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Scotlad So stop all your whining and deal with it, this is after all a pvp game and it should not be changed to satisfy you lot whining when you are stupid enough to go to Jita, which you all know is lagged because of the amount of people that go there. Use your brains and use alts, or better still sell your stuff on the outskirts of Jita, that way it might just remove the amount of people that actually visit it. People like you cause the problem in Jita by selling the stuff there, if the stuff is moved to other systems then Jita wont be as lagged. Ok first off, this is not a PvP game, it a MMORPG... look it up because I can't be arsed to explain it. Second off, 4/5 kills?? sweet, i think they need a hall of fame thread just for you. (not sure if you noticed no small amount of sarcasm there) Next, PvP well that assumes its player VERSUS player ie the opposing player can fight back. Unfortunately Privateers have the rep of ganking haulers, ganking players whose screen is still loading in Jita etc etc. That just isn't PvP, thats cheap thrill tactics rather than any sort of real challenge that deserves respect. Aaaand finally.... if you want real PvP, try 0.0 where the real challenges lie and where pilots have to fight back or be slapped into oblivion. It's where pilots, corporations and alliances lay it all on the line with very few places to hide. It's where a PvP pilot earns his stripes, where corporations develop there reputation and alliances fight for survival on a daily basis.... ever seen privateers in 0.0?? Mate... ok one last point, get real... you have no clue, privateers are just quake in spacers looking for cheap kicks and leaving as soon as it gets rough. I think it's about time we started back deccing all those corps who find the going a wee bit too rough and leave privateers. LOL, don't be so bitter, jus cause you got spanked out of querious hardcore Privateers do what the game needs yah silly miner, dun like it? Quit
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:00:00 - [6] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem ([email protected])
Ziu Wraith Recondite	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:06:00 - [7] The knee-jerking anti-privateer posts are pretty great. "How dare you gank us in empire? Come to 0.0 where we can gank you!" I imagine it must make Empire space a real ***** to use, though - you can no longer get your hauler to the first 0.5 and hit autopilot. I can understand why people hate the Privateersfor that reason alone. That said, any sentence starting with "Privateers just" is clearly retarded, as all of the corps in the alliance have different ideas and plans. They join for the enormous number of targets, not for any synchronised attacks (yes, I know that happens now and then but it's not the majority of play). Take X13 and BYDI - are they really PvP nubbers who can only get a hauler gank? No? Maybe some of the other corps aren't either. -- [WREC] is recruiting.
knifee Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:13:00 - [8] Edited by: knifee on 27/02/2007 12:12:47 Originally by: Heptameron Second off, 4/5 kills?? sweet, i think they need a hall of fame thread just for you. (not sure if you noticed no small amount of sarcasm there) Why smack this guy cous hes having some fun? Hes been war deced, and hes fighting back (and winning?). I guess what hes doing isn't 'real pvp'? Originally by: Heptameron Aaaand finally.... if you want real PvP, try 0.0 where the real challenges lie and where pilots have to fight back or be slapped into oblivion. It's where pilots, corporations and alliances lay it all on the line with very few places to hide. And now you have one less place to hide... which is, lets face it, what you're so bitter about. www.eve-dev.net - makeing a good thing better
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Heptameron Next, PvP well that assumes its player VERSUS player ie the opposing player can fight back. Unfortunately Privateers have the rep of ganking haulers, ganking players whose screen is still loading in Jita etc etc. That just isn't PvP, thats cheap thrill tactics rather than any sort of real challenge that deserves respect. you've never been in a ganksquad? doubt it. what's the difference between someone undocking from jita 4-4 during a wardec and someone staying in a belt in 0.0 while a scout jumps into the system? in the best case both made a mistake, in the worst case both are stupid. do i have to call you a "n00bish ganker" because you took part in a ganksquad? or do you prefer to be called as a "PvPer who doesn't mind where to find kills" .. i'd prefer the later tbh. ;) Quote: Aaaand finally.... if you want real PvP, try 0.0 where the real challenges lie and where pilots have to fight back or be slapped into oblivion. It's where pilots, corporations and alliances lay it all on the line with very few places to hide. It's where a PvP pilot earns his stripes, where corporations develop there reputation and alliances fight for survival on a daily basis.... ever seen privateers in 0.0?? so you're saying - 0.0 is the "hard mens" land while hi-sec should stay a carebears wet dream? oh and "real PvP" in 0.0 has become to 95% PvPOS .. so what's the challenge again in shooting some NPC controlled structure? on another note - reputation is independent from location. the quality of the corp gets you reputation, not the place where you operate. or you gonna tell me that some carebear corp as a resident of a bigger 0.0 alliance has a better reputation than for example Veto.? Quote: Mate... ok one last point, get real... you have no clue, privateers are just quake in spacers looking for cheap kicks and leaving as soon as it gets rough. I think it's about time we started back deccing all those corps who find the going a wee bit too rough and leave privateers. so what's your point? i couldn't care less if all the corps that leave PVTs get wardecced by other corps. but something that annoys me a lot are people that complain that "PVTs have it so easy .. blah blah blah" ... when do people realize? - in EVE it's only "easy" for your opponent if you make it easy. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Doktor Soet The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:46:00 - [10] Edited by: Doktor Soet on 27/02/2007 12:44:22 well this hole privateer thing is something that i dont really care about. they live in empire, i live in 0.0 space. so i hardly see them on my short trips through empire. so perhaps i`m not the right person to judge about all the things that happen round privateers... BUT... respect to 3 pilots that were in orvolle bout 5 days ago. small d2 gang (~7-10 pilots dunno exactly) made a quick trip to empire and was waiting for members to fly back for bout 15 to 20 mins. during this time they undocked with 3 bs and lost 2 of them. was something i didn`t expect. honestly how many pilots would undock and aggro with 3 bs when u know outside r 2 command ships, some cruisers and frigs waiting for u? in my opinion this fight was lost when they undocked but they fought. respect for that. best regards soet
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:52:00 - [11] The problem is all the mission agents are in empire. Move more mission agents into 0.0 and no one will care about Privateers. We need to be able to hire agents into coming to our stations. Privateers is a joke really. The real motivation behind is it easy hauler and mission runner gankings. Do what I suggested and their targets will disapear, they will get bored, disband, looking for a place in the bigger alliance for pew pew, and be rejected because they were in a corp that was in Privateers. Digging their own grave really. My opinion anyway. Tonight's the night the world begins again...
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:57:00 - [12] Edited by: Heptameron on 27/02/2007 12:54:16 Originally by: Ritchler LOL, don't be so bitter, jus cause you got spanked out of querious hardcore Privateers do what the game needs yah silly miner, dun like it? Quit hahaha this has to be the funniest reply i've seen! spanked out of querious?? jeez dude you really need to stop taking those lil green pills and get a dose of reality check 101. As for mining... now that's a serious allegation!! I have not strapped on a mining laser (despite numerous nefarious rumours!), for around 8 months, the last time because my CEO threatened us all with physical violence. errrm who else was choking s*ty replies at me... hang on just got to go back and laugh at the spanked out of querious reply hehehe seriously dude. hohum yea @knifee..... read the OP and i believe his posted was smacking anyone who didn't agree with privateers way of playing. Want me to quote the parts in question? The right of reply is mine and I choose to in the way I have done. And as for the hiding comment uhuh yea right, not even going to bother replying because you obviously don't know me (well why would you anyway) or the way we operate. But thanks for the replies anyway, first bit of fun on these forums in a while and no doubt i'll be getting spoken to most severely later ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by**
Garnerius De'Nugent Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 27/02/2007 12:55:16 Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? If you could quickly run past me why we would spend billions on wardecs to shoot you in EMPIRE then go into 0.0 to effectively waste all that ISK, I'd mucho appreciate it. Also, you might want to check our killboards before saying privateers never go to 0.0 So in response to your question; Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? COMPUTER SAYS YES. Now stfu. --- Originally by: Deathwing all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 27/02/2007 12:55:16 Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? If you could quickly run past me why we would spend billions on wardecs to shoot you in EMPIRE then go into 0.0 to effectively waste all that ISK, I'd mucho appreciate it. Also, you might want to check our killboards before saying privateers never go to 0.0 So in response to your question; Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? COMPUTER SAYS YES. Now stfu. rofl ok ok!! I admit it sniff I did it for the wind up and auto steam generation that mentioning privateers normally gets going. Bit like mentioning the B word and auto modding/closure of topics. To be honest you're not ALL bad, just leave a slight odor in most areas you visit :p Anyway, thanks for making my day just a little brighter. ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 27/02/2007 12:59:32 Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 27/02/2007 12:55:16 Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? If you could quickly run past me why we would spend billions on wardecs to shoot you in EMPIRE then go into 0.0 to effectively waste all that ISK, I'd mucho appreciate it. But some members do visit 0.0 so you might want to check our killboards before saying privateers don't go to 0.0 So in response to your question; Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? COMPUTER SAYS YES. Now stfu. Lol. Seems the top guy in your alliance seems to love hugging Jita stations. Tonight's the night the world begins again...
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:10:00 - [16] Yes, another thread where PA tell everyone how really really good they are will convince them.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Spike Spiegle Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:13:00 - [17] Funny thread almost hept reffers to actully living on 0.0 where you actually risk assets such as POS and outposts, not sending the occasional gank squad that gets lost trying to find jita and stubbles into 0.0.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:23:00 - [18] eve = pvp every thing you do that can effect other players is in essence pvp. silly razor guy i pvp useing guns and market Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Lilan Kahn eve = pvp every thing you do that can effect other players is in essence pvp. silly razor guy i pvp useing guns and market oiy! and im not silly, just a little old and deranged... oh and gave up smoking last night and just a teensy bit stressed over the whole thing. ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Ritchler LOL, don't be so bitter, jus cause you got spanked out of querious hardcore Atleast we have somewhere to get spanked from Unlike the Jita 4-4 alt army
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:46:00 - [21] Edited by: Naqq on 27/02/2007 14:49:26 Good thing I ain't rzr. If I were, I would have been ashamed for the unneeded smack and troll they brought to this thread. Also your chestbeating with 00 is redicilous, to assume the only real pvp challenge lies in 00 is utter stupity. With the exception of someone assuming the actual pvp challenge is massing minerals/isk for loads of capital ships
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Hellaciouss they will get bored, disband, looking for a place in the bigger alliance for pew pew, and be rejected because they were in a corp that was in Privateers. Digging their own grave really. I need to remember that you are in charge of all the 0.0 alliances recruitment whenever I need to look for work after I leave my current employment. Anything I write on these forums are my thoughts and do not represent my corp or alliance in any way, shape or form ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 27/02/2007 14:49:26 Good thing I ain't rzr. If I were, I would have been ashamed for the unneeded smack and troll they brought to this thread. Also your chestbeating with 00 is redicilous, to assume the only real pvp challenge lies in 00 is utter stupity. With the exception of someone assuming the actual pvp challenge is massing minerals/isk for loads of capital ships Yes i agree they should be ashamed of themselves. This is a thread started by a noobish corp we are at war with. They have stuck together and got a few nice kills - congrats. Kudos for coming posting a positive thread. De-kudos for all the twarsats coming in flaming. SKUNK
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Hellaciouss The problem is all the mission agents are in empire. Move more mission agents into 0.0 and no one will care about Privateers. We need to be able to hire agents into coming to our stations. Privateers is a joke really. The real motivation behind is it easy hauler and mission runner gankings. Do what I suggested and their targets will disapear, they will get bored, disband, looking for a place in the bigger alliance for pew pew, and be rejected because they were in a corp that was in Privateers. Digging their own grave really. My opinion anyway. OH NOES - I will never be able to fly with you in a big aliiance BOO HOO. Ill miss out on all the informed and interesting alliance chat that you have pertinantly demonstrated above. Please carry on mining. SKUNK
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Hellaciouss The problem is all the mission agents are in empire. Move more mission agents into 0.0 and no one will care about Privateers. We need to be able to hire agents into coming to our stations. Privateers is a joke really. The real motivation behind is it easy hauler and mission runner gankings. Do what I suggested and their targets will disapear, they will get bored, disband, looking for a place in the bigger alliance for pew pew, and be rejected because they were in a corp that was in Privateers. Digging their own grave really. My opinion anyway. dont 90% of 0.0 alliances players complain mission runners are geting risk free isk, risk/reward and all that crap? now there is a risk and its o noes, we want agents in our space now cos we get shot at and besides, maybe the members in privateers corps dont actually want to be in 0.0 alliances???? besides, can some up pretty much all this anti privateers stuff in one senteance. privateer guy> i like my play style, i find it fun joe 0.0 guy> bah, you suck, your a noob, you play the game i say you should cops otherwise you suck ------ snip please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Checkmark	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:43:00 - [26] I am kinda suprised a Razor guy thinks eve is not a pvp game. but besides that got to give props to privateers and their interesting mission. there is a way to avoid them as anyone know is to go back to a npc corp. If all you want out of EVE is npc mission/mining thats where you should be. As for gank squads...show me a corp or an alliance that does not do this. Its all part of the game the other thing is tho Privateers while the do fight. They are not to hard to get away from or avoid they do need a bit more seassoning in the targeting/scrambling area and they tend not to pursue their target when it gets away from them. They make life interesting in empire and I would really like to see the majority of the whineage stop so we can also do away with counter postings like this
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Spike Spiegle Funny thread almost hept reffers to actully living on 0.0 where you actually risk assets such as POS and outposts, not sending the occasional gank squad that gets lost trying to find jita and stubbles into 0.0. So you are saying hidding all day in a pos is more fun and makes you a better pvper then deccing half of eve so you can hide nowhere? Oke, now I know what we do wrong we don't have poses, we don't own outposts and we don't hide, stupid me, well we will change our strategy acourding too this gem of wisdom P.S. If you don't have fun, don't take it out on other people, just ctrl-q, dear razor alliance and other trolls. "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:22:00 - [28] Originally by: The Dokter Oke, now I know what we do wrong we don't have poses, we don't own outposts and we don't hide, I think that's the point most people are making here Doktor. The difference between say, Outbreak and Privateers is that you don't hide. You pew pew in empire, you pew pew in 0.0, and if someone has even numbers you don't immediately scramble to hide in the nearest station. Privateers does, which is why most people give them no respect, despite their posturing.
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Originally by: The Dokter Oke, now I know what we do wrong we don't have poses, we don't own outposts and we don't hide, I think that's the point most people are making here Doktor. The difference between say, Outbreak and Privateers is that you don't hide. You pew pew in empire, you pew pew in 0.0, and if someone has even numbers you don't immediately scramble to hide in the nearest station. Privateers does, which is why most people give them no respect, despite their posturing. Oke, good one But I was more talking about razor people talking trash about somebody not having posses and outposts too defend. I think the majority of people in 0.0 do nothing else then hide in posses and outposts the moment anybody else the there napped neighboor comes by. And only time they come out is too get a easy gank. So people in soo called 0.0 alliances complaining about being harresed by privateers are just ........ people. In my opinion the privateers are nothing else the all the other people in eve......TARGETS "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:06:00 - [30] I like the threatening in-game mails Privateers. Keep telling yourselves your good and your in it for a good fight and not just easy hauler ganks and mission runner kills or to stat pad your killboards so it makes you look 1337. I'm sure one day you will fool yourself into actually thinking it's true. Tonight's the night the world begins again...
MikeSnipe Brass Monkeys	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:13:00 - [31] great post m8.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:22:00 - [32] I too thought privateers dont go to 0.0 and I take a random Caracal bait without bothering to check corp/all etc and next thing I know is 5 secs of lag and then bleeping Extas with another 5 bleeping nanosnakeBSs... Thats the challenge about privateers. 9/10 are pvpers of the type with armor tank and shield boosters. Or blasters with gyrostabilisers but anybody can get in there and you never know what will bite your bum next. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Destruct Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:28:00 - [33] Originally by: The Dokter But I was more talking about razor people talking trash about somebody not having posses and outposts too defend. I think the majority of people in 0.0 do nothing else then hide in posses and outposts the moment anybody else the there napped neighboor comes by. And only time they come out is too get a easy gank. So people in soo called 0.0 alliances complaining about being harresed by privateers are just ........ people. In my opinion the privateers are nothing else the all the other people in eve......TARGETS LOL!!1! Ye, that's what we're all doing. Check some of the other threads in this forum and you will see that almost all alliances having "posses and outposts too defend" are involved in a small conflict some people call Eve World War I. You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.27 23:10:00 - [34] Edited by: The Dokter on 27/02/2007 23:07:10 Edited by: The Dokter on 27/02/2007 23:06:49 Originally by: Destruct Originally by: The Dokter LOL!!1! Ye, that's what we're all doing. Check some of the other threads in this forum and you will see that almost all alliances having "posses and outposts too defend" are involved in a small conflict some people call Eve World War I. So all of Razor is in the south and there is nobody left in your space too "defend" it? Privateers go north and you shall have plenty of space too npc for a lifetime :) "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Chequrself	Posted - 2007.02.28 02:02:00 - [35] Edited by: Chequrself on 28/02/2007 01:59:23 Originally by: The Dokter Oke, now I know what we do wrong we don't have poses You don't ??? What about the one in pf- ??? Oh no wait thats right it got blown up didn't it??? Yeah your right you don't, my bad. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAA Originally by: babylonstew personA> i like my play style, i find it fun personB> bah, you suck, your a noob, you play the game i say you should cops otherwise you suck I actually agree with this comment, bar the names, hence the name change. However, you can not say that any Privateer member is person A, because by the very essence of war decs you are imposing your way of playing on another player withing the game. And FFS I am so tired of hearing that eve is a purely pvp game when its sooo much more than just that. If it is pure pvp you want go play a run and gun. That very comment says that I am now going to dictate to you how you should play the game. The point hept was making, was that by actually partaking in 0.0, i.e actually conquering and controlling space, you are adding value to people who do want to play in the same manner as you. That said I have no doubt that there are very competent pilots within the Privateer that do deserve some restecpah. Unfortunately for those Privateers tho there are a large number of them that do use cheap tactics such as hang out in Jita waiting for lag kills. This group of member are the ones that give Privateers the bad name. As for the corps that leave and join the Privateers Alliance as they see fit, IMHO that is just sh1t. A corp should not be able to leave an alliance while that alliance has an active war dec. I was actually surprised at how many corps were leaving the Privateers during the first round that I saw. I thought that Privateers were dying until I was told otherwise, that in fact this is how Privateers operate. They get in on the easy kills while they got isk then leave the alliance to get more. Being in an alliance where the corps are commited to the alliance rather than to cheap arse gank sqauds, automatically precludes this option. Finally, just because a tactic works and is not seen as an exploit does not mean that it is respect worthy.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent So in response to your question; Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? COMPUTER SAYS YES. Now stfu. Well since you provided the link, have a look at the left of the screen and click the "Top 10 Summary" Number of kills by system: 1: Jita [2097] 2: Kaaputenen [771] Also the number 3 most common ship you have killed is a caldari shuttle..number 6 the Ibis and number 8 the gallente shuttle. I'm not sure how you manage to kill a shuttle without a dictor bubble in empire...maybe lag...or black screen I dont know what is about PA this month, but if you are trying to convince us that you dont gank in Jita, you might want to remove 2097 of your KM before you post the link to your own KB http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Rastilin Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 04:24:00 - [37] I Have done it all in this game from mining when i first started to running hundreds of missions and the the whole 0.0 experince fighting with different allainces against other allainces with every concivable 0.0 tactic in the book. But the best fights i get have always been in empire and scince ive joined this privateers allaince with so many wardecs that it would make most people in the game shiver to undock from any station i never had so much fun Sooo to all my privateer mates keep havin fun and take nothing of what any of the negative things people say to heart. Cheers!!!!!!! Rast
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 05:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Le Skunk on 28/02/2007 05:20:26 Originally by: Chequrself A corp should not be able to leave an alliance while that alliance has an active war dec. I was actually surprised at how many corps were leaving the Privateers during the first round that I saw. I thought that Privateers were dying until I was told otherwise, that in fact this is how Privateers operate. They get in on the easy kills while they got isk then leave the alliance to get more. Being in an alliance where the corps are commited to the alliance rather than to cheap arse gank sqauds, automatically precludes this option. Finally, just because a tactic works and is not seen as an exploit does not mean that it is respect worthy. I would agree to this sentiment as long as it equaly applied to the lilly livered allaince dumpers who cravenly flee the allaince we dec immediatly upon recieveing the war dec email. These cravens, overcome their shaking hands long enough to click the leave allaince button and dump the rest of the alliance mates in the **** in a desperate bid to avoid us. Of course, in practice it wouldnt work, as I could wardec your alliance permamently and prevent any of your member corps from leaving the alliance ever. Or conversly, a CEO of his/her own alliance could keep one war running to permanently keep all their member corps attached. The other thing you have to remember, is that often corps join our alliance for a fixed period, say they want to come pvp for a month so they pay for a months wars. When their time comes - they leave the alliance. This leaves the "copr leaving alliance" evemail in your in box. "OH NOES THEY ARE DECCING US AND RUNNING AWAY - EXPLOIT - GANKZORS - COWARDS" you shout. When in reality, they decced one allaince and stayed their full term. Because we do not sync all our wars to start and end at the same time (start monday 00:00 end sundady 23:59) as soon as any corp leaves honourably, after the war they paid for has been seen through to the culmination, the other 39 allainces we are at war with get a 'enemy corp leaving' mail and jump to conclusions. We are not like any other alliance you have been at war with. Because you cant get your head round whats happening to you - please dont jump to conclusions. SKUNK
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 28/02/2007 05:20:26 Originally by: Chequrself A corp should not be able to leave an alliance while that alliance has an active war dec. I was actually surprised at how many corps were leaving the Privateers during the first round that I saw. I thought that Privateers were dying until I was told otherwise, that in fact this is how Privateers operate. They get in on the easy kills while they got isk then leave the alliance to get more. Being in an alliance where the corps are commited to the alliance rather than to cheap arse gank sqauds, automatically precludes this option. Finally, just because a tactic works and is not seen as an exploit does not mean that it is respect worthy. I would agree to this sentiment as long as it equaly applied to the lilly livered allaince dumpers who cravenly flee the allaince we dec immediatly upon recieveing the war dec email. These cravens, overcome their shaking hands long enough to click the leave allaince button and dump the rest of the alliance mates in the ** in a desperate bid to avoid us. Of course, in practice it wouldnt work, as I could wardec your alliance permamently and prevent any of your member corps from leaving the alliance ever. Or conversly, a CEO of his/her own alliance could keep one war running to permanently keep all their member corps attached. The other thing you have to remember, is that often corps join our alliance for a fixed period, say they want to come pvp for a month so they pay for a months wars. When their time comes - they leave the alliance. This leaves the "copr leaving alliance" evemail in your in box. "OH NOES THEY ARE DECCING US AND RUNNING AWAY - EXPLOIT - GANKZORS - COWARDS" you shout. When in reality, they decced one allaince and stayed their full term. Because we do not sync all our wars to start and end at the same time (start monday 00:00 end sundady 23:59) as soon as any corp leaves honourably, after the war they paid for has been seen through to the culmination, the other 39 allainces we are at war with get a 'enemy corp leaving' mail and jump to conclusions. We are not like any other alliance you have been at war with. Because you cant get your head round whats happening to you - please dont jump to conclusions. SKUNK Ya know what... you're right of course. You wouldn't beleive the trouble we've gone through to keep people from running for the hills away from you guys. Locked em in stations, removed ship keys, strapped em to veld roids and even gone to war with some other small entities, (you might have heard of them, BoB, Fix and buddies?) amazing what lengths we would go to to stop them from running for the hills at the sight of a privateer war dec. ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by**
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 27/02/2007 14:49:26 Good thing I ain't rzr. If I were, I would have been ashamed for the unneeded smack and troll they brought to this thread. Also your chestbeating with 00 is redicilous, to assume the only real pvp challenge lies in 00 is utter stupity. With the exception of someone assuming the actual pvp challenge is massing minerals/isk for loads of capital ships First u should be aware that the OP is having it comming. 2nd to shoot industriships and bragg about it do not give you much respect in Eve. Strange as that may seem for some certain individuals. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Le Skunk I would agree to this sentiment as long as it equaly applied to the lilly livered allaince dumpers who cravenly flee the allaince we dec immediatly upon recieveing the war dec email. Thats kinda funny, cause the only emails of corps leaving an alliance since your Privateers decced us, are in fact from the Privateers alliance. So you are in fact acknowledging the fact that the corps within the Privateers are as you said lilly livered alliance dumpers who cravenly flee the allaince upon receipt of the war dec email!! Originally by: Le Skunk Of course, in practice it wouldnt work, as I could wardec your alliance permamently and prevent any of your member corps from leaving the alliance ever. Well this doesnt phase us, as I said previously, NO RAZOR corp, has left or thought about leaving Razor since Privateers decced us. Originally by: Le Skunk Or conversly, a CEO of his/her own alliance could keep one war running to permanently keep all their member corps attached. A similar exploit exists on a smaller scale, that being the 24hr lay period between role removal and corp change/leaving, where the director of a corp repeatedly gives his member roles to prevent them from leaving. It is my understanding that this is petitionable and has been successfully petitioned in the past. I am sure that a similar petitionability, if thats a word, would apply. Originally by: Le Skunk The other thing you have to remember, is that often corps join our alliance for a fixed period, say they want to come pvp for a month so they pay for a months wars. When their time comes - they leave the alliance. This leaves the "copr leaving alliance" evemail in your in box. "OH NOES THEY ARE DECCING US AND RUNNING AWAY - EXPLOIT - GANKZORS - COWARDS" you shout. When in reality, they decced one allaince and stayed their full term. Because we do not sync all our wars to start and end at the same time (start monday 00:00 end sundady 23:59) as soon as any corp leaves honourably, after the war they paid for has been seen through to the culmination, the other 39 allainces we are at war with get a 'enemy corp leaving' mail and jump to conclusions. Asif I care about the inner mechanics of your alliance, if you can call it that. From what you have said previously it is sounding more like an empire safari operator that uses players as NPC ala "Hard Target". Originally by: Le Skunk We are not like any other alliance you have been at war with. I absolutely agree with you there. Most if not all of the other alliances we have faced have had some sort of credo, ethos or honour. Privateers lacks all of these.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 - [42] 1) No im not. The people who leave the privateer alliance are transient corps who leave after serving their alloted war dec time. They are not coming in, blowing 50mills on a war dec, giggling like girls then immediatly leaving the allaince. They have come in for a months fun, then leave after a month. Some of the smaller corps may run out of isk for wardecs and so leaver honourbaly that way. Some may indeed tire of pvp, and after their paid for wardec runs out leave the alliance. All you will see is a "so and so corp leaves the alliance" and of course jump to conclusions that the corp has a big nappy full of terd And you wouldnt recieve any emails about a corp leaving an enemy alliance now will you (Dur!) as you are not at war with them. I delete evemails daily where people have 'ran' from an enemy alliance. 2) So Razor havent had any corps leave them mid war - well Kudos to razor. We are however at war with 39 other alliances/corps. You really arnt a big deal. Seem to have in general decent pilots but a slightly smackish mentality. 3) RE No corp can leave an alliance whilst the war dec is on. Im not talking about exploits. Im saying if you are at war with someone (legitamatly) for 6 months. Non of your member corps would be able to leave. And non of their member corps would be able to leave. You may not pay your bill to the alliance head - he cant kick you out You may engage and pod your alliance mates - he cant kick you out You may post 1000 allaince mails daily - he cant kick you out you may want to go join some old friends in another alliabnce - you cant get out. Saying "nobody leaves teh alliance in a war dec" is a knee jerk ill thought out reaction. Quote: Asif I care about the inner mechanics of your alliance, if you can call it that You thick head - I was telling you that to explain why due to use not starting and ending wars at the same time, any corp leaving our alliance for whatever reason will trigger 39 alliances eveamil boxes. Even though the war they paid up for has ended and they have fought honourably throught the entire war. *********************************************************************************** It is impossible for a corp to leave our aliance when 'the war' is over. As we dont have 'a war'. We have 40 wars starting and finishing at different times. Corps can, and do , however choose to leave after the one war out of the 40 they have paid to be instigated has ended. This will then trigger a 'corp leaving alliance' email to the other 39 alliances we are at war with. This you then assume incorectly is a corp running from the fight, because you think the war with you is our sole focus. *********************************************************************************** Anyway you dont seem to understand much I said but you spent some time posting so thanks very much for that. All alliance have reacted differently to a privateer war dec. You delight in tarring all privateers by the same brush, yet spit sixpences when you think your being lumped in together. SKUNK
Marsha11 Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Hellaciouss Privateers is a joke really. The real motivation behind is it easy hauler and mission runner gankings. Wrong... So So Wrong... In fact nothing could be further from the truth. I didn't join a corp in The Privateers to get easy hauler kills and gank mission runners... If i am sitting outside a station waiting for war targets and a hauler undocks of course im going to kill it... Why would i not kill it? If something bigger undocks then one of us will die. Killing haulers makes up about 1% of my privateer kills and that goes for pretty much everyone in this alliance. Stop tarring us all with the same brush assuming we are all hauler gankers who dock at the first sign of trouble cause that just ain't true... As for mission runners i have NEVER sat in a mission running system waiting for targets, i would rather sit in a hub system and get myself in a mess with to much to handle than sit and wait for a t1 fitted Raven mission runner... So can you please stop with the mindless unfounded accusations on something you know NOTHING or very little about. We are actually pretty skilled and the reason we get so much stick is because we are a nuisance to those who moan about us, in which case we are doing our job well. We ain't going anywhere for some time, so get used to us being around and try dealing with us instead of moaning and hope the problem will go away. End
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 28/02/2007 01:59:23 And FFS I am so tired of hearing that eve is a purely pvp game when its sooo much more than just that. If it is pure pvp you want go play a run and gun. That very comment says that I am now going to dictate to you how you should play the game. it would appear that the lead dev ovuer does in fact dissagree with you if you can find one post by any dev stating eve is NOT a pvp game ill admit im wrong but every time its mentioned, a dev states EVE is a V game. ------ snip please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo CCp nerfed my sig and all i got was this crummy message ^^^
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:07:00 - [45] Maybe Privateers do other things, but the only time I see them is when they are camping stations in market systems and routes to/from the market systems. You can predict where they'll be too... just look at where most of the market items are, and that's where they'll be. I only go there to get new ships/mods I can't get in 0.0, so it's not a huge deal for me. I don't find them too much of an incovenience... I can pretty much fit for travel and go through their camps. Haven't been killed yet. But I never go to Jita either. You guys can chest-beat all you like, but you are cheap ganker-griefers. And pretty sad ones too.
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Trask Kilraen Maybe Privateers do other things, but the only time I see them is when they are camping stations in market systems and routes to/from the market systems. You can predict where they'll be too... just look at where most of the market items are, and that's where they'll be. I only go there to get new ships/mods I can't get in 0.0, so it's not a huge deal for me. I don't find them too much of an incovenience... I can pretty much fit for travel and go through their camps. Haven't been killed yet. But I never go to Jita either. You guys can chest-beat all you like, but you are cheap ganker-griefers. And pretty sad ones too. funny i see more chest beating from allt he oterh alliances then from privateers tbh. every other post is someone telling us all how they rnu thru our camps all the time and how ineffective we are. if that aint chest beating, dunno what is ------ snip please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo CCp nerfed my sig and all i got was this crummy message ^^^
GLok Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.28 17:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Trask Kilraen Maybe Privateers do other things, but the only time I see them is when they are camping stations in market systems and routes to/from the market systems. so erm....yeh....that'd be empire then wouldent it? --------------------
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:27:00 - [48] Why so many words about a war with Privateers?! o/ ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2
Gar Ddhen Gallente The AbGenesis Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:39:00 - [49] Hmm, let me think about something. I seem to remember somewhere that some 80 - 90 % of folks lived in Empire. So, let me think, we have a rough over all population of 150k, 80% of that is 120k, lets say PA has war decs against 10% of them, thats a LOT of people the Privateers have to hide from... all 600 of them that is! Give me a break, I have seen good Privateers fight in my travels, and bad ones. I have seen them ganked at gates, ganked coming out of stations, ganked in the belts, ganked here there and everywhere. I don't know where some of you are looking, but I see quite a few Privateers, many of them are even fighting, pretty hard and often pretty effectively. This may well be a mmorg... but in CCP's own words, it is PvP led... that kind of suggests to me that CCP want a player conflict driven game. According to one or two of you the OP was incorrect in stating this is a PvP game... he wasnt, he was correct. Start reading the Dev blogs maybe? Egg looks bad on your face. Privateers play one way, personally I prefer them to the arrogance, vitriol and sublime ignorance I have seen come out of the large... Big Boys Alliances... People who talk about hypocrisy are usually being so themselves simply by talking about it, that, is worth thinking about eh?
JoDirt Minmatar Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:46:00 - [50] whining about whiners.... -------------------------------- Quote: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely...
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:37:00 - [51] Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/03/2007 07:34:02 Originally by: Gar Ddhen Edited by: Gar Ddhen on 01/03/2007 00:47:44 Hmm, let me think about something. I seem to remember somewhere that some 80 - 90 % of folks lived in Empire. So, let me think, we have a rough over all population of 150k, 80% of that is 120k, lets say PA has war decs against 10% of them, thats a LOT of people the Privateers have to hide from... all 600 of them that is! Give me a break, I have seen good Privateers fight in my travels, and bad ones. I have seen them ganked at gates, ganked coming out of stations, ganked in the belts, ganked here there and everywhere. I don't know where some of you are looking, but I see quite a few Privateers, many of them are even fighting, pretty hard and often pretty effectively. This may well be a mmorg... but in CCP's own words, it is PvP led... that kind of suggests to me that CCP want a player conflict driven game. According to one or two of you the OP was incorrect in stating this is a PvP game... he wasnt, he was correct. Start reading the Dev blogs maybe? Egg looks bad on your face. Privateers play one way, personally I prefer them to the arrogance, vitriol and sublime ignorance I have seen come out of the large... Big Boys Alliances... People who talk about hypocrisy are usually being so themselves simply by talking about it, that, is worth thinking about eh? Thing is, currently I live in Empire, I couldn't give a damn about the so called Eve War I, it doesn't affect me apart from the occasional good news story. So I don't care what BoB are up to, or what POS LV lost this week, the Privateers are a bit closer to my home sphere than the big Alliances are. So if you want to carry on thinking that whatever happens in 0.0 is the most Eve shattering thing ever then please feel free. Currently they don't appear on my radar, or those of thousands of others like me. In the future the doings of the great Alliances will have some import, after all, like many I do have plans to move to 0.0, but I will do so in my own time, and in my own terms (as much as they are possible). Well reasoned and pertinant points. Thanks SKUNK
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:55:00 - [52] LOL Your a funny little man, see comments in amongst your rantings. Originally by: Le Skunk And you wouldnt recieve any emails about a corp leaving an enemy alliance now will you (Dur!) as you are not at war with them. I delete evemails daily where people have 'ran' from an enemy alliance. I don't believe I mentioned any other Alliances apart from The Mouseketeers and Razor. So this comment was nothing more than a feeble attempt to salvage your dwindling credibility. Bad luck on that one. Originally by: Le Skunk 2) So Razor havent had any corps leave them mid war - well Kudos to razor. We are however at war with 39 other alliances/corps. You really arnt a big deal. Seem to have in general decent pilots but a slightly smackish mentality. I thankyou on your positive comments but when in battle it is expressly forbidden to engange in smack unless the person we are smacking are old friends. In such cases this is playful banter not meant for disrespect. Originally by: Le Skunk You may not pay your bill to the alliance head - he cant kick you out You may engage and pod your alliance mates - blah blah (I need some extra characters at the bottom). Well I do see your point here. And yes your right there would need to be more thought put into it. Although thats not to say something cant be done to moderate such behaviour. Originally by: Le Skunk You thick head Feeble Attempt to denegrate an otherwise fun debate into an insult match ~ Priceless Originally by: Le Skunk - I was telling you that to explain why due to use not starting and ending wars at the same time, Ummm .. whaaaa???? All your base are belong to us, take off every zigg!! You make no sense here mate. Originally by: Le Skunk Anyway you dont seem to understand much I said but you spent some time posting so thanks very much for that. Hahaaa this is the post that just keeps on giving, awesome. But alas feeble attempt number 3, to gain credibility whilst handing a backhanded comment, in essence feeble attemp no. 1 + no. 2, sadly also fails. Despite the awesomeness of the attempt. Originally by: Le Skunk All alliance have reacted differently to a privateer war dec. You delight in tarring all privateers by the same brush Well mate when the cap fits, look as I have said previously I have no doubt you have respect worthy pilots, every alliance has at least one. The trouble is that the actions of the many outweigh the action of the few. You are getting tarred as empire gankers becuase as stated in many of the preceding posts the majority of those in your alliance, conduct themselves in such a manner. If you don't like the tag, get your alliance to stop conducting themselves in such a manner. Looking forward to your next post Originally by: Gar Ddhen it doesn't affect me apart from the occasional good news story. So I don't care what BoB are up to So your telling me your not in the least bit upset that dev[s] within bob have been cheating in the game?? Man you gotta be kidding me!! How doesn't this directly affect you? Next time you go to buy a t2 ship and wonder why they cost so much, you can look squarely at bob. Lack of competition in a market which carries high demand can only end in one outcome, higher prices for all. The pooling of t2 bpos, through illegitimate methods is in effect reducing the amount of available competative market entrants thus increasing prices. Originally by: babylonstew if you can find one post by any dev stating eve is NOT a pvp game ill admit im wrong but every time its mentioned, a dev states EVE is a V game. Players who wish to explore peaceful paths may continue to upgrade their ships to bigger and better cargo vessels with high-end defenses, purchase advanced mining or research equipment and continue to develop their characters by specializing in their preferred skills. Taken from eve-o faq. Faq's typically written by devs
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:55:00 - [53] People are not being fair to Privateers. They have special needs.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:35:00 - [54] Well this particular line of argument is developing into a quote fest which tends to provoke confusion, but seeing as you seem to be our number two fan (after the curtain twitching Omega man) I have to grant you some time. Ive tried to clean the thread a little to aid comprehension. Quote: Thats kinda funny, cause the only emails of corps leaving an alliance since your Privateers decced us, are in fact from the Privateers alliance. So you are in fact acknowledging the fact that the corps within the Privateers are as you said lilly livered alliance dumpers who cravenly flee the allaince upon receipt of the war dec email!! The process that is confusing you regarding 'leaving alliance mails' 1) I stated i would agree with your idea about changes to wardecs, if the corps that dump the alliances we declare war to avoid fighting us ALSO are subject to penalties. 2) You said "the only emails of corps leaving an alliance since your Privateers decced us, are in fact from the Privateers alliance." 3) OF COURSE THE ONLY EVEMAILS YOU WILL HAVE GOT WILL BE OF CORPS LEAVING OUR ALLIANCE. YOU WILL NOT GET MAILS SAYING CORPS HAVE LEFT YOUR ALLIANCE AS NONE ARE TRIGGERED FOR YOU. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY OF THE EVEMAILS I RECIEVE FROM THE OTHER ALLIANCES AS YOU ARE NOT AT WAR WITH THEM This does not mean they are not happening Quote: You are getting tarred as empire gankers becuase as stated in many of the preceding posts the majority of those in your alliance, conduct themselves in such a manner. If you don't like the tag, get your alliance to stop conducting themselves in such a manner. Quite frankly no. Our alliances positivly prides itself on imposing the extreme minimum demands apon pilots flying under our flag. No body will be COMMANDED to do something by some trumped up "Admiral lord high fleet commander" (or whatever they like to call themselves. Its the freedom that attracts so many pilots to our banner. Seriously i think i have come to the crux of your problem. You jump to stereotypical judgements on a group of people due to limited data and snap decisions. 1)Some people in our alliance ganks hauler or run from fights. So suddenly our entire alliance are cowards. 2)Some people in Bob profit from a corrupt dev (with no evidence even that they were party to this knowledge). Suddenly all of Bob are cheaters and deserve wiping out. I would hate to see your attitudes in real life if this game is any example. And as for your dev proof that eve was intended to be safe for carebears: Quote: Players who wish to explore peaceful paths may continue to upgrade their ships to bigger and better cargo vessels with high-end defenses, purchase advanced mining or research equipment and continue to develop their characters by specializing in their preferred skills. This proves noting. I wish to explore a 'peaceful path' when i go to the pub for a drink. I can train myself in in martial arts, i can purchase some big feck off numchuks, I can develope myself by specilising in fine wines, or grow a beard and start sampling the real ales. Then some drunk can jab me in the ribs and nick my wallet. SKUNK
Cougem Defile. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:37:00 - [55] I don't really post that much here, but I'm in a small corp who joined privateers for the PvP, not the industrial ganking. I don't know, maybe a lot of privateers fly around in blobs of 20 or so, raking the solar systems as they go of any life, but I don't. I only really do small gangs, or solo, and hey, I'm not even in a solo-pwnmobile, I just fly battlecruisers and cruisers (not because I'm scared of losing battleships etc, but beause I'm not that old a player). I love the fair fights, and I lose quite a few ships because I'm a bit too optimistic. I lost one this morning because I (in a BC), and another BC engaged a tempest and a domi on a gate - we had a friend a bit out in a hyperion who was hopefully going to make it in time, but I died before he could, because I sacrificed myself to get the aggro and scram the tempest. It was pretty obvious they had the advantage, I was probably going to die, and yet I engaged anyway beause it's fun. Out of my 78 kills (11 have been pods so make it 65) on the privateer killboard, I've had the final blow in half of them, so obviously I don't do stupidly large gangs very often at all. 32 have been battleships, BCs, HACs or Commandships, and most of my kills have been with myrms and thoraxes. If you include elite frigs and cruisers that knocks it up to 50. Less than 5% of my kills have been industrials, so it really does annoy me when people generalise and call me a hauler killer. Blobs bore the hell out of me (actually the biggest blobs I've seen, including any privateer ones, were the D2 blobs around Xmas that would sit on the Kisogo gate), they take no skill, F1-F8 bashing, web scram, and mwd to the target hoping to get some loot. Maybe I'm a freak, but that doesn't appeal to me, which is why I small gang or solo, and get ****ed off when people call me a ganker.
Sylai	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:23:00 - [56] For those people who say this game is just a "mmorpg" and not a "pvp game", you should read the dev blogs a bit more. In several of them, the Dev's have stated that Eve Online is primarily a PvP MMORPG, and is doing more to try to make it such, especially in the PvE field. Before people start saying stuff they think is true, they should go look up their sources and back it up. And if you say the same to me. Heres the source of where one of the devs says Eve Online is mainly a PvP focused game. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=432
Sylen Caldari Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:25:00 - [57] Oops, accidentally posted with an alt, the above post was mine, sorry Eve Forum checkers :). ---------------------------------------------------- A Hamster One, A Hamster Two, A Hamster... Hey where'd that third one go? Sees Hamster floating in space... SOB!!
Dolly Parton Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Hellaciouss I like the threatening in-game mails Privateers. Keep telling yourselves your good and your in it for a good fight and not just easy hauler ganks and mission runner kills or to stat pad your killboards so it makes you look 1337. I'm sure one day you will fool yourself into actually thinking it's true. Who would have thunk it members of IAC and ISS agreeing on something again. I have yet to have one engage me, but I only worry about them when I need to haul something. ISS has been war declared probably since day 1 of privateers birth. Their tactics are cheap exploits in game mechanics. Keep saying that you good if you want. I will admit you got some good PvP corps but the vast majority of your corps are retards. They bring all this on you and unless things change will probably be your downfall one of these days. So for right now live it up have fun and maybe I'll see you on my cross hairs one of these days. * Any comments made are mine and mine alone! *
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:42:00 - [59] Why the concept of what Privateers is doing is bad. The concept of eve war is to force another enity to do something that it does not want to do, and the defender has the opprotunity to defend and prove the first enity that they are wrong. You are to move a group of players from one location to another, you are to extract revenge for a bad deal, or betrayal. There are normally a reason to the war.. What Privateers is doing is plain and simple, it's grefing, and ccp allows it. Yes It's a fine line but the reason I call it greving is because the defending groups can fight all they want aga inst privateers but when a corp gets beaten up all they do is leave privatiers. Only to have a another group join up. Privaters can not be beat and thus is the issue. And anytime there is something unbeatable in eve there needs to be a change. I would like to see a limit to the number of wars that an alliance can declair to something more than what corps can do but something reasonable like nine (9). (3 times the many that a corp can wage) -John
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:40:00 - [60] Originally by: John Blackthorn And anytime there is something unbeatable in eve there needs to be a change. I would like to see a limit to the number of wars that an alliance can declair to something more than what corps can do but something reasonable like nine (9). (3 times the many that a corp can wage) Are we really talking about Privateers when it comes to "unbeatable"? Nothing is unbeatable. It just takes team work and staying power. Heck, after you all stop beating up on BoB and LV just turn around and head for Empire and chase the Privateers down, blast their ships, and pod em. Keep doing it for a couple months and they will go away. After all the Privateers only blast haulers and Mission Runners. It aint like they are real PvPers now is it? The real PvPers live out in 0.0 and should be able to wipe the floor with those carebear Privateers. But I doubt that will happen due to the fact that the Privateers don't even show up on the radar of a majority of the 0.0 people so why should they be bothered about the Privateers. The above are my thoughts and do not represent my corp or Alliance in any way, shape or form ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:56:00 - [61] Respect to all those in this thread who have fun and don't smack other peoples' ways of having fun. <3 to the Privatters, too.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:56:00 - [62] Respect to all those in this thread who have fun and don't smack other peoples' ways of having fun. <3 to the Privatters, too.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:59:00 - [63] Originally by: Le Skunk Well this particular line of argument is developing into a quote fest which tends to provoke confusion Whats the matter little buddy having trouble keeping up mate, lol Originally by: Le Skunk seeing as you seem to be our number two fan (after the curtain twitching Omega man) I have to grant you some time. Ive tried to clean the thread a little to aid comprehension. Done confuse fanfest with someone having a great time picking holes in your argument, and using your own words to do it hahaaaa. Originally by: Le Skunk The process that is confusing you regarding 'leaving alliance mails' blah blah yada yada At no time have I mentioned any other alliance other than RAZOR and Privateers, why you keep addressing a mute point is beyond me. Oh no wait thats right your a little conused cause of all the qoutes lol. Originally by: Le Skunk Our alliances positivly prides itself on imposing the extreme minimum demands apon pilots flying under our flag. No body will be COMMANDED to do something by some trumped up "Admiral lord high fleet commander" Dude this is nothing but a lamer attempt at proffering some lame excuse to engage in lame tactics. So in short lame, lame, lame. If you are not going to ensure that your alliance conducts itself with some level of honour, don't *** about being called cheap empire gankers and getting tarred with the same brush. Originally by:** Le Skunk Seriously i think i have come to the crux of your problem. You jump to stereotypical judgements on a group of people due to limited data and snap decisions. <snip> I need the characters for my post </snip> I would hate to see your attitudes in real life if this game is any example. Hahaa, your funny, I have made no judgements save those about your argument using your words. Therein the problem is yours. And what is so amusing about this is that even you in fact realise that you have not offered one reasonable line of argumentation. The evidence of this lies in your constant attempts to provoke an emotive response, with constant failure. Let's examine some of your arguments thus far Argument 1: Nobody should tell anybody else how they should play the game Fair point, only your statement lacks conviction and is nothing but lip service on your part. How can I say this? Well the very nature of war declarations, is that of imposing someone elses will on someone else. At last count your alliance had 39 acts of imposing their will on other alliances. Thus for you to stand up and argue this is purely hypocritical. Argument 2: Wahhh Everyone calls us empire ganker and we're not waaahhhh Mate the facts speak for themselves, Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Well since you provided the link, have a look at the left of the screen and click the "Top 10 Summary" Number of kills by system: 1: Jita [2097] 2: Kaaputenen [771] Poor argumentation = no solid base to argue from. Originally by: Le Skunk And as for your dev proof that eve was intended to be safe for carebears: Mate I can see your confusion setting in again. The quote in noway suggested that "eve was intended to be safe for carebears'. The quote however included in response to babylonstew's challange, that nowhere on the eve-o site would there be comments suggesting that eve was anything but pvp. And those that argue that "eve is primarily for pvp" primarily != only Originally by: Le Skunk This proves noting. I wish to explore a 'peaceful path' when i go to the pub for a drink. I can train myself in in martial arts, i can purchase some big feck off numchuks, I can develope myself by specilising in fine wines, or grow a beard and start sampling the real ales. Then some drunk can jab me in the ribs and nick my wallet. Huhh ?? Oh wait that's right your head is hurting, ok I will be gentle. This is just a load of inane drivel.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:59:00 - [64] Edited by: Chequrself on 02/03/2007 20:57:59 Originally by: Le Skunk Well this particular line of argument is developing into a quote fest which tends to provoke confusion Whats the matter little buddy having trouble keeping up mate, lol Originally by: Le Skunk seeing as you seem to be our number two fan (after the curtain twitching Omega man) I have to grant you some time. Ive tried to clean the thread a little to aid comprehension. Don't confuse fanfest with someone having a great time picking holes in your argument, and using your own words to do it hahaaaa. Originally by: Le Skunk The process that is confusing you regarding 'leaving alliance mails' blah blah yada yada At no time have I mentioned any other alliance other than RAZOR and Privateers, why you keep addressing a mute point is beyond me. Oh no, wait thats right your a little conused cause of all the qoutes lol. Originally by: Le Skunk Our alliances positivly prides itself on imposing the extreme minimum demands apon pilots flying under our flag. No body will be COMMANDED to do something by some trumped up "Admiral lord high fleet commander" Dude this is nothing but a lamer attempt at proffering some lame excuse to engage in lame tactics. So in short lame, lame, lame. If you are not going to ensure that your alliance conducts itself with some level of honour, don't *** about being called cheap empire gankers and getting tarred with the same brush. Originally by:** Le Skunk Seriously i think i have come to the crux of your problem. You jump to stereotypical judgements on a group of people due to limited data and snap decisions. <snip> I need the characters for my post </snip> I would hate to see your attitudes in real life if this game is any example. Hahaa, your funny, I have made no judgements save those about your argument using your words. Therein the problem is yours. And what is so amusing about this is that even you in fact realise that you have not offered one reasonable line of argumentation. The evidence of this lies in your constant attempts to provoke an emotive response, with constant failure. Let's examine some of your arguments thus far Argument 1: Nobody should tell anybody else how they should play the game Fair point, only your statement lacks conviction and is nothing but lip service on your part. How can I say this? Well the very nature of war declarations, is that of imposing someone elses will on someone else. At last count your alliance had 39 acts of imposing their will on other alliances. Thus for you to stand up and argue this is purely hypocritical. Argument 2: Wahhh Everyone calls us empire ganker and we're not waaahhhh Mate the facts speak for themselves, Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Well since you provided the link, have a look at the left of the screen and click the "Top 10 Summary" Number of kills by system: 1: Jita [2097] 2: Kaaputenen [771] Poor argumentation = no solid base to argue from. Originally by: Le Skunk And as for your dev proof that eve was intended to be safe for carebears: Mate I can see your confusion setting in again. The quote in noway suggested that "eve was intended to be safe for carebears'. The quote however included in response to babylonstew's challange, that nowhere on the eve-o site would there be comments suggesting that eve was anything but pvp. And those that argue that "eve is primarily for pvp" primarily != only Originally by: Le Skunk This proves noting. I wish to explore a 'peaceful path' when i go to the pub for a drink. I can train myself in in martial arts, i can purchase some big feck off numchuks, I can develope myself by specilising in fine wines, or grow a beard and start sampling the real ales. Then some drunk can jab me in the ribs and nick my wallet. Huhh ?? Oh wait that's right your head is hurting, ok I will be gentle. This is just a load of inane drivel.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:22:00 - [65] i think privateers are funny , i like em and i approve of their ebil deeds , you may continue .
Pensive Handwringer	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:24:00 - [66] Privateers Alliance is a lot of corps with different tactics, skill levels and reasons for being involved. Saying Privateers Alliance all suck or they all dock or all only want hauler ganks indicates you shouldnt be posting on the topic since you are obviously not clued up on the alliance.
Datu Puki RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:51:00 - [67] Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? actually I saw 5 of them roaming deep in 0.0 today, maybe they are finally getting bored with cheap ganks in jita.
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Datu Puki Originally by: Heptameron ever seen privateers in 0.0?? actually I saw 5 of them roaming deep in 0.0 today, maybe they are finally getting bored with cheap ganks in jita. bored with cheap ganks? what the hell would they going into 0.0 with 5 men for then? can you say "OMFG ANOTHER 30 MAN BUBBLE CAMP. INSTAPOPPED AND DEAD?" .... maybe they know something you dont and want to risk the 0.0 allaince camps..... I will NEVER get bored with cheap ganks. Thats what Empire or 0.0 small gang combat boils down to 80% of the time. Its bubble gank, bait gank, hauler gank, mission runner gank. All require some planning, skill and luck though. 10% is fleet sniper ops and the rest is roughly fair fights with a certain degree of "OMFG EXPOLITER" tatics. such as Nano/interia, WCS, ECM, Dampner abuse. I hear they have the IBIS planned for a drone bay nerf in 2009 though - that should please the NERF THIS AND THEN NURF THAT whiners reading this. I particualy like the Transporter gank though- that takes some planning, forthought, skill, timing and luck to pull off with 3 cruisers. anyways..... I am wandering off OP topic... /me finishes getting the cheerleader out fit on picks up the pom-poms "YAAYYYYYY.. Go Priavteers!" Sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:14:00 - [69] Chequrself Quote: WhatÆs the matter little buddy having trouble keeping up mate, lol Well it is true your presentation style leaves a lot to be desired, and as you discovered later on during your post - you have a limited number of characters to post with, and quotes take up a lot of this allocation. Also quotes within quotes within quotes soon lose all meaning - hence my attempts to cull and respond to your points without resorting to the QUOTE - answer QUOTE answer method favour. Quote: Originally by Chequrself --- "The evidence of this lies in your constant attempts to provoke an emotive response" Don't confuse fanfest with someone having a great time picking holes in your argument, and using your own words to do it hahaaaa. blah blah yada yada a lamer attempt at proffering some lame excuse to engage in lame tactics. So in short lame, lame, lame. --- The above quotes were grabbed from your last post in thirty seconds. You seem to hold yourself up as some sort of massive debating intellect, when in reality half your comments are lifted right out of a school playground, a hypocritical child with his fingers in his ears. My comment about you being a fan, was of course, slightly tongue in cheek as I suspect everyone but you has realised :-) Quote: Originally by: Le Skunk Our alliance positively prides itself on imposing the extreme minimum demands upon pilots flying under our flag. No body will be COMMANDED to do " Originally by: Chequrself If you are not going to ensure that your alliance conducts itself with some level of honour, don't ***** about being called cheap empire gankers and getting tarred with the same brush. As I have stated before, the diverse nature of our alliance, and its emphasis on freedom for its pilots, will mean that various standards of behaviour will be witnessed coming from our pilots. Some will be the hideous hauler gankers (OH NOES!) you all have such contempt for. Some will be pilots you have flown with in your own alliances, who have tired of the bureaucratic bull**, the orders from above, the posturing and politics. Some will be low sec pirate noob killers. Some will be craving the 1vs1 fights you rarely seem to find out in 0.0. The one thing that ties us all together is the pursuit of fun. Which is generally agreed to be present far more with Privateers then in any previous game play style Quote:** Originally by: Chequrself Argument 2: Wahhh Everyone calls us empire ganker and we're not waaahhhh Mate the facts speak for themselves, Number of kills by system: 1: Jita [2097] 2: Kaaputenen [771] This evidence proves what, that we live and fight in empire? Well this is kinda the point of our alliance. What would be the point in decing wars to enable us to fight you in empire and then going to 0.0 Itis self evident that in any war - you will go where your targets are. It would have done the allies no good in WW2 to put all their forces in Greenland for example. In the great bob war, the coalition are pushing their forces into BOB space, not sitting out in the new regions. This evidence further backs up my theory that you donÆt have a grasp on what our alliance is about. It is so alien from what you are used to - you lash out at it. Lack of understanding creating fear creating hatred. As for CCP endorsing peaceful play - if CCP meant this game to have an avenue for peaceful players, they could easily do so by making ships invulnerable in high sec. Simple. Many other games do it. In fact, in the latest DEV blogs, they talk of bringing level 5 mission into the game in 0.4 space only quote "slowly brining the PvE players into PvP" i.e They are actively prodding the care bears into PvP This is why, I believe, they have ruled our alliance to be within the rules (the 4 billion a week isk sink helps a bit too I guess) despite many petitions. Anyhows - thank you for your points SKUNK
Awox I Fought Piranhas	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:11:00 - [70] A lot of the more ignorant 0.0 players here seem to think Privateers players never enter 0.0. Well I have news for you, that makes no sense! Wardecs aren't cheap so why waste them? I do alternate, fortnight in empire, fortnight in 0.0.. I'm sure I am not the only one. As for running and docking when there's we're outnumbered, well sure, that's what you do if there's 5 command ships after your one battleship. You retreat. No shame in that. Oh, and for any one of you alliances that are disappointed that I left Privateer Aliance are more than welcome to wardec my 1 man corp.
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:34:00 - [71] i don't get why is everyone so upset with them... there is always a safe place for you and/or your alt in the noob corps... so why moaning about it? after all all they do is provide a great service of opening your eyes when you moove around a valuable thing like you ship, cargo or implants corpse. Specially i don't like this moaning from 0,0 pilots that are suposed to know better than to get ganked... After all being in a corp shouldnt be about afk ap and stuf like that... should be about having ppl to play with... so just use a damn scout. -------------------------------------
Kia Lovetly Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 10:37:00 - [72] Edited by: Kia Lovetly on 04/03/2007 10:35:28 Originally by: papaPadla i don't get why is everyone so upset with them... there is always a safe place for you and/or your alt in the noob corps... so why moaning about it? It's simply because they can no longer auto-pilot once they reach empire from 0.0, so they *** and moan and complain, etc... It's quite sad to see 0.0 pilots whining and complaining about this. Nobody asks to be a hero, It just sometimes turns out that way.**
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:01:00 - [73] IBTL. --- Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 14:58:00 - [74] Yay more whine tbh. Here is a perspective from a director of a member corp: I pay 50m isk every week, so i can have some 15k targets to shoot at in empire. I still go out to 0.0 to pvp and kill people with small roaming squads (like i did before), except this time, i get to gank the occasional person when coming back from 0.0 back to empire. Win-Win situation for me. People who see "privateers" as one entity are slightly moronic. You pay your 50m per week, the only thing you share is alliance chat. You have your own TS etc, you can do your own thing, no one will ever ask you about anything. So instead of saying, zomg privateers gank in jita, say which corp is doing that. I for one enlisted my corp into the alliance so we could have more targets everywhere. Also, before you tell me to get "balls" and go "live in 0.0", well been there, done that, been FC of a big alliance. If you don't want the POS warfare associated with it, you either live in NPC region (and you must have own cyno net to your location if you don't want it to be a pain in the arse) or you live on outskirts of 0.0 in lowsec, and move into 0.0 for pvp. (I prefer the latter). So in essence, privateers increases the area for me where I can find targets. For me as a pvper this is a positive thing. I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the fact that privateers is made up of completely different corps that have nothing in common besides paying the 50m wardec. N.F.F. Recruitment

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