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Medical One	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:28:00 - [1] Does ANYONE see something wrong with a ship that can wipe out an entire fleet then immediately cyno out? I mean wtf... kill everyone with ZERO risk? Every titan flying out there has officer SBs, so you cant even interdic bubble them... How does this make any sense on any level? Titans Should be immoblized after using a DD for at least 10mins, that way they would NEED support to do what they do and live, Everyone I've spoken to even titan pilots admits this is a VERY very "lame" ship with the way DDs, and Cynoing out works atm. I'm curious if anyone that has any clue sees a reason for this?
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:47:00 - [2] No doubt about it titan's are broken. The game needs some way to immobalize cap ships.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:54:00 - [3] TITANS as a modile pwn Mobile Gah!
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.28 06:55:00 - [4] How do you cyno solo?
Tubiger ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Blue Pixie How do you cyno solo? With your three alts.
Major Shake Gallente Lunar-Base	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Tubiger Originally by: Blue Pixie How do you cyno solo? With your three alts. Meta gaming ftl!
Garis Grell Gallente Venture Research and Resources	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:19:00 - [7] I just bought a 2nd account here on eve. I'm quickly thinking I did the wrong thing. Eve Mechanics and game balance are obviously teetering - obvious to everyone but CCP ? GG.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Medical One Does ANYONE see something wrong with a ship that can wipe out an entire fleet then immediately cyno out? I mean wtf... kill everyone with ZERO risk? Every titan flying out there has officer SBs, so you cant even interdic bubble them... How does this make any sense on any level? Titans Should be immoblized after using a DD for at least 10mins, that way they would NEED support to do what they do and live, Everyone I've spoken to even titan pilots admits this is a VERY very "lame" ship with the way DDs, and Cynoing out works atm. I'm curious if anyone that has any clue sees a reason for this? Personally, I think that a ship that cost 80-90 bill to build plus modules to aproximately the same value, in addition to the very long training time and skill prices, DO deserve to be a little "pwnmobile", yes? With planning you can beat it. SPlitting your force in more parts. One cannon fodder that will take the heat from the DD, then another part that will take on the ship when its fired. You wont get away from the fight without losses, but with a few ordinary capital ships and a fleet of Battleships, im sure you could take it out.. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Toros Revoke STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:32:00 - [9] 160 billion isk is hardly solo, I don't have that much money, do you?
Maria Ravenwind Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:41:00 - [10] Well, theres also reports of Motherships solo camping gates and ratting. What the hell are you gonna do when you jump into a system while comuting and get locked by a Mom??? Both Titans and Motherships need to have more weakness. One of the intentions behind the DD is to help prevent blob-warfare. CCP figured that if a fleet of 200 know that theres a Titan pilot just itching to pull the trigger on his DD, that maybe they won't hang out in a single large group. This would provide a need for new tactics favoring smaller groups. At this point, it has yet to happen. So, what I've been thinking, is that the Super-Capitals need to have a much more significant reliance on their support fleet. Each Titan would require a certain amount of "Support Command Ships" (maybe the much longed for Tech 2 BS?). Now, roleplaying, these ships would help corrodinate the support, leaving the Titan crew to do it's work. Out of roleplay, these ships would provide bonuses to the support fleet, and would give the opposing fleet something to aim for. While the Titan has it's full compliment of Support Command Ships, it would effectively be invulnerable, much as it is now. But if the opposing force could get past the support, immobilize and destroy the SCS, the Titan would effectively be immoblized, and ready to have the Dreads brought in to take it out. Now the only way for the Titan to get out would be to get in, say, 4 SCS within a minimum distance, and they it could cyno out to whatever destination. Also, I've always wondered why it's just as easy to cyno out a Mom or Titan, when they are waaaaay larger than the Dreads and Carriers. It needs to be much more difficult. Say, a more advanced (thus more skills required) Super-Capital Cyno Generator. And there would need to be a minimum of 4 SCS ships present at the Titan/Mom. One last thing I'm not sure of. I know that when a Titan pilot lets a DD go, it gives the 15 minute aggro timer. Does this timer prevent the Titan from being able to cyno? If not, it should. These are just ideas. I'm sure theyre plenty of flaws, but it could be the beginning.
gfldex	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind So, what I've been thinking, is that the Super-Capitals need to have a much more significant reliance on their support fleet. I am going to show you now three really ugly characters that will break you idea. You ready? OK! CTD If you make it harder to use Titans ppl will use them less. If they use them less we will see less monuments. As I will never be able to fly titans I can not support that idea. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of sayed games. That never stopped smart game designers from making good games.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Tubiger Originally by: Blue Pixie How do you cyno solo? With your three alts. Is that really "soloing" then?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Tubiger Originally by: Blue Pixie How do you cyno solo? With your three alts. Is that really "soloing" then? Eve Schizo Online i also have long talks with my alts sometimes the other day i got really angry with one of them and ganked myself that was easy as i knew where i was going to, so i could wait myself at the correct gate ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Splagada Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Tubiger Originally by: Blue Pixie How do you cyno solo? With your three alts. Is that really "soloing" then? Eve Schizo Online i also have long talks with my alts sometimes the other day i got really angry with one of them and ganked myself that was easy as i knew where i was going to, so i could wait myself at the correct gate lol that was funny. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Both Titans and Motherships need to have more weakness. They can't have more weaknesses. At least ones that could lead to their destruction. Any such weakness would be a beacon for enemies.
Viliny Caldari Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:10:00 - [16] What exactly does a capital ship require to cyno? could someone take the time to explain all the stages involved in jumping with a capital?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Well, theres also reports of Motherships solo camping gates and ratting. What the hell are you gonna do when you jump into a system while comuting and get locked by a Mom??? Both Titans and Motherships need to have more weakness. One of the intentions behind the DD is to help prevent blob-warfare. CCP figured that if a fleet of 200 know that theres a Titan pilot just itching to pull the trigger on his DD, that maybe they won't hang out in a single large group. This would provide a need for new tactics favoring smaller groups. At this point, it has yet to happen. So, what I've been thinking, is that the Super-Capitals need to have a much more significant reliance on their support fleet. Each Titan would require a certain amount of "Support Command Ships" (maybe the much longed for Tech 2 BS?). Now, roleplaying, these ships would help corrodinate the support, leaving the Titan crew to do it's work. Out of roleplay, these ships would provide bonuses to the support fleet, and would give the opposing fleet something to aim for. While the Titan has it's full compliment of Support Command Ships, it would effectively be invulnerable, much as it is now. But if the opposing force could get past the support, immobilize and destroy the SCS, the Titan would effectively be immoblized, and ready to have the Dreads brought in to take it out. Now the only way for the Titan to get out would be to get in, say, 4 SCS within a minimum distance, and they it could cyno out to whatever destination. Also, I've always wondered why it's just as easy to cyno out a Mom or Titan, when they are waaaaay larger than the Dreads and Carriers. It needs to be much more difficult. Say, a more advanced (thus more skills required) Super-Capital Cyno Generator. And there would need to be a minimum of 4 SCS ships present at the Titan/Mom. One last thing I'm not sure of. I know that when a Titan pilot lets a DD go, it gives the 15 minute aggro timer. Does this timer prevent the Titan from being able to cyno? If not, it should. These are just ideas. I'm sure theyre plenty of flaws, but it could be the beginning. Thos all go on the "more blob" direction, more lag and more node crash .
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:17:00 - [18] wait... solo pwn? i would ask ASCN, and D2, and even LV how invulnerable their titans are. O and IAC can help you out understanding the risks of flying a MOM solo.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Personally, I think that a ship that cost 80-90 bill to build plus modules to aproximately the same value, in addition to the very long training time and skill prices, DO deserve to be a little "pwnmobile", yes? No. Having a Titan fleet isn't supposed to make your alliance invincible, or you might as well give up 0.0 warfare, which is by far the most important part of Eve. And modules of approximately the same value? Lol, 12-15 billions at best. Unless maybe it's a Leviathan using several Estamel's invul fields, but that's the only module worth more than 1.5 billion. Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker With planning you can beat it. SPlitting your force in more parts. One cannon fodder that will take the heat from the DD, then another part that will take on the ship when its fired. You wont get away from the fight without losses, but with a few ordinary capital ships and a fleet of Battleships, im sure you could take it out.. And this a prime example why IRL Paper Tacticians without field knownledge generally lose their battles. - To think that the enemy doesn't have spies in your alliance -> Wishfull thinking. - To think enemy scout won't see another enemy fleet in close proximity of the "bait" -> Wishfull thinking. - To think the Titan will stay out of a pos shield after firing it's doomsday -> Wishful thinking. - To think the titan won't have a support fleet protecting it from interdictors -> Wishfull thinking. - To think interdictor bubbles will manage to hold the titan down, despite it's officer smartbomb -> Wishfull thinking. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Morpheus Solo Minmatar Solaris Technologies Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.28 10:50:00 - [20] Not exactly the first thread about this topic :-). What seems to be forgotten constantly is that a Titan by no means is solo pawnmobile. Sure, when you have one its formidable, but to get it is quite another matter, and by no means a solo feat. There is a reason only the largest alliances have one, and i believe only Bob has more than one. Several hundred hours work will go into building it, and even if your one of the lucky few with a few very good "print isk" T2 BPO's might being able to put together the isk, you wouldnt be able to get one. No alliance capable of building one would sell it. So please there are nothing solo about a Titan, and the effort and isk's necessary to build one should make it uber, and extremely difficult to kill.
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:15:00 - [21] 3 titans alredy died, thats how good of a solo pwnmobile they are - Gob
Imperil Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig 3 titans alredy died, thats how good of a solo pwnmobile they are - Gob They all died while being LOGGED OFF, but I guess in your little world of no-intelligence this is how ships are measured. Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW!
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Humpalot on 28/02/2007 12:06:20 Originally by: Arron S TITANS as a modile pwn Mobile http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6615/1141209216455wj0.jpg - Dont post images - especialy ones that big - hutch Germany actually was thinking of one even larger than that. The Landkreuzer P1500 "Monster". Was supposed to be a mobile version of the Schwerer Gustav 800mm Siege Canon .
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Imperil Originally by: Goberth Ludwig 3 titans alredy died, thats how good of a solo pwnmobile they are - Gob They all died while being LOGGED OFF, but I guess in your little world of no-intelligence this is how ships are measured. Seems like that's a huge weakness right there - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Imperil Originally by: Goberth Ludwig 3 titans alredy died, thats how good of a solo pwnmobile they are - Gob They all died while being LOGGED OFF, but I guess in your little world of no-intelligence this is how ships are measured. Whoa calm down buddy. When you start throwing personal insults in a thread about possible ship imbalances, you know you are taking the game too seriously. Might I suggest getting some fresh air and maybe a girlfriend. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:53:00 - [26] There is nothing 'solo' about a titan. Its the very epitome of group coordination. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Skaz Originally by: Imperil Originally by: Goberth Ludwig 3 titans alredy died, thats how good of a solo pwnmobile they are - Gob They all died while being LOGGED OFF, but I guess in your little world of no-intelligence this is how ships are measured. Seems like that's a huge weakness right there Exactly. Compared to the Cost of putting a Titan togeather, there having the skills to do it, as well as the skills to fly it, and you'll even need at least 3 pilots, or a lot of stimulants, to ensure its 'safe'. And learning to fly a titan is going to take you a long time (and cost a lot). Of course its a hardcore Mother, its the equivilant of the nuclear bomb. Thats why its called a Doomsday Device. But no one is ever likely to be solo'ing about in these things, or using them for 1-v-1 pvp (especially as it fires once and then takes an age to recharge - apparently). Also theres reports of people managing to warp out before the Doomsday weapon hits, when the Cyro field appears. Unless of course someone out there is fitting them with Faction NoS, MWD, EW and Blaster Turrets......
Mogrin	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Mogrin on 28/02/2007 13:12:27 I think interceptors should be able to solo them.
Raul deMalte KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:29:00 - [29] Edited by: Raul deMalte on 28/02/2007 13:26:33 Originally by: Mogrin Edited by: Mogrin on 28/02/2007 13:12:27 I think interceptors should be able to solo them. Yes, CCP should let an exhaust port open on every Titan...
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Mogrin Edited by: Mogrin on 28/02/2007 13:12:27 I think I should learn how to post. Yep, that would be a good idea.

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