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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Roshan longshot on 28/02/2007 13:36:28 **** me I fell for another 'Risk Vs Reward' thread....
Morgin is a bad person
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FromBeyond TheGrave
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:44:00 -
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Its PWN not PAWN jeez
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:00:00 -
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for that cost you have 80000 frigates ! ------
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:07:00 -
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How much cap does a Titan need to warp, and how much does it need to jump? You could just make it so that warping and jumping required so much cap that all you need to do is NOS/Neut them hard enough and they can't get away...
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Ralle030583
The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:07:00 -
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I have to think everytime about GodwinĘs Law when i reading such threats...
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dennyreborn
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:18:00 -
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titans have been destroyed. given under somewhat questionable circumstances. but they are by no means invincible.
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Hubbins
Species 5618 SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:07:00 -
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Mogrin, your pictures breaks the forums
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:09:00 -
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First off, the argument that 3 have been killed is invalid:
One was not even built. Popping a factory is hardly the same as killing a built and kitted ship (although still not easy).
The other two were logged off prior to having an entire dread fleet dropped on them, with no tank running. About the only thing that cannot die to that is a polaris ship, which is basically invulnerable. You might as well go to Kisogo and can bait noobs to pad your killboard as call these legit ship kills.
So while 3 have been destroyed, there has yet to be a manned, defended titan killed. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards |
WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: WeaponsHot on 28/02/2007 15:30:43
Originally by: Mogrin Edited by: Mogrin on 28/02/2007 13:12:27 I think interceptors should be able to solo them.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:47:00 -
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I think you'd have to nerf them a lot before they'd be comparable to pawns. --------------------
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:57:00 -
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Anyone who uses pwn, pwned, or any variant there of and doesn't know its origin or is not old enough to have experienced the origin is just an internet lemming following the herd.
Anyone old enough to know and who played the game and uses it, is just retarded.
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Madmax424
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.28 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Madmax424 on 28/02/2007 16:26:45 Taken from the Eve Wiki: "While large, their[Titans] defensive and offensive capabilities are still overshadowed by the Dreadnought and Mothership class capital ships."
Having never seen one, I cannot say if this is true or not. However, it appears to me that it is entirely believable. A titan still can only mount the same kind of weaponry as a dread. However, a dread can go into siege mode, quadrupling the ammount of damage. A mothership can field masses of fighters. If I do my math right, with max skills, a mothership can field 25 fighters(5 Normal, + 15 Mothership Fighter Control Bonus, + 5 Advanced Drone Control Units). I'm not sure how many it would take to equal the firepower of a titan, but I'm guessing a mothership can do it.
Lets not mention the cost. I've heard many different estimates of the cost, ranging from 40 bil ISK to over 200 bil ISK. Regardless of what the actual cost is, something that expensive should be able do what a titan can do. You never really can tell how the future will pan out. People said the same things about motherships when they were released. I remember specificaly thinking that they would never be common enough to be used in gatecamps. However, that has actually happened and is becomming more and more common.
In games like this, there has to be a balance. But I believe that motherships and titans respect that balance. From and RP perspective, can you imagine something the size and power of an ECM module or a disruptor being able to affect the electronic systems of ships the size of a titan?
My suggestion: Make Titans and Motherships ewar immune to the original class of ewar modules. Then create a second set of ewar modules mountable on only capital ships. There would also need to be a capital ship class of EECM modules as well. Just as capital ship weapons and shield/armor tank modules exist for capital ships. That way, ewar mechanics can be introduced into capital fleet combat mechanics for titans and motherships as well.
Also, to the OP:
Take from the Eve Online Database: Titan Jump Drive Capacitor Need: 95% Doomsday Device Capacitor Usage: 25,000.
At least the amarr titan only has 75,000 capacitor. Even with good skills, which would knock down cyno usage to around 75-80%, I cant see a titan being able to pop a DD and then cyno immediately out.
Sovereign Galactic Navy Pilot, Glauxian Brothers www.glaux.net
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Madmax424
Having never seen one, I cannot say if this is true or not.
You're thinking of a titan in a standard ships-flying-around-slowly-firing at each other mode. That's not how it is used. A cyno alt opens a cyno in the middle of a lagfest blob battle, titan (or titans) use a weapon to do a lot of front-loaded damage, and retreat to a POS bubble.
If I remember right, the record is about 220 or so ships killed in one shot, including battleships. Let's go with a conservative 8000 shield/armor/structure average per ship in a blob made up of mostly frigates and cruisers with a relative minority of BC and BS. That's 180,000 damage in one shot with no risk to the ship or pilot.
Show me any other way to accomplish a similar feat (no risk, vast alpha strike) with any other ships or fleets and I'll buy your arguments. A whole fleet wiped out with what amounts to 50 DPS. Which is my point, it's not always about the DPS.
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Arcadia1701
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:06:00 -
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Have you all forgotten the ONE HOUR recharge on the doomsday or what? My sig>
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Doomed Predator
The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:13:00 -
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Looks like the OP got killed by a DD
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Talmssar
Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:24:00 -
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Boboing!
In vulture there is setup wich lose about 15% of it shields on LOWest resist against DD. Solo pawn mobile? No... it has been talked that it is so that even ceptors survive DD blasts. It is meant only to weaken your fleet, not to kill it.
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Medical One
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Medical One on 28/02/2007 19:10:17
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Medical One Does ANYONE see something wrong with a ship that can wipe out an entire fleet then immediately cyno out?
I mean wtf... kill everyone with ZERO risk?
Every titan flying out there has officer SBs, so you cant even interdic bubble them...
How does this make any sense on any level?
Titans Should be immoblized after using a DD for at least 10mins, that way they would NEED support to do what they do and live, Everyone I've spoken to even titan pilots admits this is a VERY very "lame" ship with the way DDs, and Cynoing out works atm.
I'm curious if anyone that has any clue sees a reason for this?
Personally, I think that a ship that cost 80-90 bill to build plus modules to aproximately the same value, in addition to the very long training time and skill prices, DO deserve to be a little "pwnmobile", yes? With planning you can beat it. SPlitting your force in more parts. One cannon fodder that will take the heat from the DD, then another part that will take on the ship when its fired. You wont get away from the fight without losses, but with a few ordinary capital ships and a fleet of Battleships, im sure you could take it out..
Um get a clue? the ONLY way to hold a titan is with a interdic bubble, and NO titan out there will not have the best Officer SmartBomb that will blow away ANY interdictor and his lil bubble in a blink, then CYNO out bye bye... there is no "bump him so he cant aling" just SB cyno, your done with in some cases 100s of kills BS's and all...
And even if A titan cost 20 trillion isk, there should be a way of killing it WITHOUT it being offline..
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Medical One
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia wait... solo pwn? i would ask ASCN, and D2, and even LV how invulnerable their titans are. O and IAC can help you out understanding the risks of flying a MOM solo.
Ummmm... I hardly think OFFLINE killing of titans is even a part of this topic.
And the mom losses were due to stupid acts by the pilots, again with officer SB's on any of these ships you cant hold them down to kill them,
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Borasao
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:20:00 -
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I heard someone tried to pawn a Titan once. I think he was offered 250m ISK for it ;)
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Medical One
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Morpheus Solo Not exactly the first thread about this topic :-).
What seems to be forgotten constantly is that a Titan by no means is solo pawnmobile. Sure, when you have one its formidable, but to get it is quite another matter, and by no means a solo feat. There is a reason only the largest alliances have one, and i believe only Bob has more than one.
Several hundred hours work will go into building it, and even if your one of the lucky few with a few very good "print isk" T2 BPO's might being able to put together the isk, you wouldnt be able to get one. No alliance capable of building one would sell it. So please there are nothing solo about a Titan, and the effort and isk's necessary to build one should make it uber, and extremely difficult to kill.
Ok so because it takes lots of work and effort to build, it should be able to kill everything in a blink with no timer on cynoing out, ok makes sense,
But hey Outpost take alot of time and effort to build as well, why not let it shoot a massive SB at the enemy fleet killing them all then let it cyno to another system immediately after as well?
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Locutus ofBorg
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:40:00 -
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Ok lets see any of you whining forum trolls do something other then ***** and moan. Why dont you go get a coalition together and try taking a titan out. Im sure BoB would love the target practice. TBH anyone who *****es about something they havent seen first hand should shut down their computer and get a life. If your going to be paying the amount of money for a titan and have it killed by an inferior fleet of about 20 ships then im sure no one would buy a titan, but alas, titans can take your 20 ships and shove them right back down the recycling bin of the nearest station/outpost. One thing that might be a solution is being able to target modules on the titan, IE. DD, JD, WD, or other things of that nature.
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Veriaxor
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:26:00 -
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The titan will eventually be nerfed, but not until a lot more of them exist in the universe and it becomes painfully obvious just how unbalanced they are.
The kills off two offline Titans and one in the cooker were the worst thing that could have happened as far as seeing balance come any time soon: it gives too much ammunition (false, but hey - since when do talking points need to be valid?) to the side that says "hey dummy three have been killed already, they're not unbalanced!".
The titan will eventually push more 0.0 players out of the game than even the current scandals, if you ask me.
CCP needed to fix the reasons why blobs are necessary before handing out an anti-blob ship. It's a poorly thought out "fix" to a much deeper problem.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:30:00 -
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DD firing should use 60% or some similar large number of cap so the Titan can't immediately jump.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:31:00 -
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Titans are broken but wont be fixed until bob goes down
To add more cheese to this whine, lets leave them the way they are but lets try CAPITAL WARP SCRAMS that will only fit on dreads... and lets have them now... it cant be that hard to make them so lets get them in the game for use in the current war... maybe then we'll actually see a titan die in combat instead of to BoB.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:39:00 -
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There needs to be a way to tackle them. Simple.
Capital ships fitted with capital sized scramblers is the best idea I've heard tbh.
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Cleopatrra
Gallente Swag Co. Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:40:00 -
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Funny I thought that every time a titan was solo it got blowed up just ask ASCN and D2
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Platinum Dragon
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Posted - 2007.02.28 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cleopatrra Funny I thought that every time a titan was solo it got blowed up just ask ASCN and D2
Ya thats why bob had kill d2's by a friendly spy close enough to smartbomb him on his way to log out.
oh ya and wasnt cyvok also not at his helm (crash or logging off with again unknown aggro)
i dont seem to recall a fleet action being a solo thing. but then your just a bob alt puppet spouting propoganda.
To the original poster, once we actually SEE titans taken down in combat then we might know eh. if one NEVER in the history of the game dies. then yes theyre the solopwn machine that can be yours for 3 years of skillpoints and about 2k usd roughly changed into isk
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite Anyone who uses pwn, pwned, or any variant there of and doesn't know its origin or is not old enough to have experienced the origin is just an internet lemming following the herd.
Anyone old enough to know and who played the game and uses it, is just retarded.
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Having seen them used in combat for us and against us, they are awesome.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.28 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia wait... solo pwn? i would ask ASCN, and D2, and even LV how invulnerable their titans are. O and IAC can help you out understanding the risks of flying a MOM solo.
All three of those titans died without the pilot being in full control (And the LV titan was under construction, so titans could have 10billion HP and that wouldn't have saved theirs), and that IAC MOM took a hell of alot to kill solo, the biggest thing being an extremely lucky warp-in bump from a dread iirc. It would be like needing a dozen cruisers and a squad of frigs to kill a battleship by comparison.
Plus in lowsec, a MoM is never going to die while active if bubbles aren't able to be anchored there, not until mission whoring newbies jump straight into them and proceed to get stuck between asteroids while using it to mine.
I'd say a Titan is a duo-pwn though. I'm sure Enslaver would be happy to show about 218 reasons why titans pwn, and as some people have been mentioning in CAOD, when each side has a titan in system, there is no fighting because neither side wants to see its fleet get vaporized during a laggy fight.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.02.28 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave Its PWN not PAWN jeez
Solo Prawnmobiles
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