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Miss Scordite
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.13 05:38:23 -
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According to an official definition of "Input Automation" posted in a sticky post:
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This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe.
AFK Cloaky Camping falls under the Input Automation definition.
By "AFK Cloaky Camping" I mean a situation when a player gets into a system (usually owned by an alliance and used by its members to mine or kill NPCs, but specifics of a system do not matter here) in a ship with a cloaking device, activates the cloaking device and goes AFK. They usually stay online for the most part of the day - they login right after the downtime and stay online until the next downtime.
The purpose of this action is to poses a threat to inhabitants of the system, as they can not know if the camper is currently active or not, and whether he can attack inhabitants at any particular moment or not.
The tactic described above falls under the Input Automation definition, because:
- This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically;
- This action has consequences in the EVE universe - presence of an enemy ship in a system makes inhabitants change what they do or how they do in the system.
In other words, an AFK camper makes an impact on the universe while not paying attention to his game client.
I would like to ask for an official clarification from a CCP representative, if they agree with me on this matter. |
Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
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Posted - 2016.06.13 05:39:41 -
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kthxbye
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Zar Myx
New Eden Browncoats
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Posted - 2016.06.13 05:55:47 -
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afk cloaky camping is really cancer. And we know the following supporters are nothing but cancer markers. If you are at the keyboard, I 100% support your ability and right to be cloaked, but after 10-15 minutes, you desire to die you lazy frak'n diseased cell. |
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
1141
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:01:06 -
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Input automation....pretty sure it describes itself pretty accurately. Yet somehow you managed to find a way to interpret it in a completely different way.
Activating the cloak (input) itself is done by the user - as such the action is not automated.
Spaceprincess
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:04:17 -
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Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:04:19 -
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OP is an idiot. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1744
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:14:58 -
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An AFK flag after an hour of no activity which gets removed with any interaction with the client, with policing of the client for any automated activity would be the way to deal with this. I have no problem with cloaky camping by active players, but it is impossible to bait into traps people who are asleep or at work. The focus is on intel gathering to assess risk, CCP please implement this so you no longer reward AFK play.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1245
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:51:32 -
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AFK cloaking falls under P2W. By definition they just pay CCP 15 or 20 dollars to cloak up in a system and prevent other players from undocking. I say we make a public record of all AFK cloakers with their full name, home address and picture. Furthermore I propose we put GPS bracelets on all AFK cloakers so that we know if they are indeed AFK or not.
I would also like to add if you actually support any of this you are a moronic carebear that can't handle any risk and can't differentiate real life from a game.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:57:21 -
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Miss Scordite wrote:I would like to ask for an official clarification from a CCP representative, if they agree with me on this matter.
Hahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Has cloaking been patched out of the game? How long has it been in the game?
Have devs commented on it being ok? (here for reference: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=410941)
What more official clarification do you want than just logging in and seeing that it is fine, has been fine for a long time and has been stated as fine by senior game designers?
Nice take on it though. At least original (and funny).
So, maybe just move to a wormhole and all your AFK cloaking concerns will magically resolve themselves.
In wormhole space you won't be paranoid, because they are there and they will get you. J-Space dwellers seem to deal with that just fine. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:57:28 -
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This again:
Sticky for AFK Cloaking ->
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=397030&find=unread |
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1744
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:05:17 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:AFK cloaking falls under P2W. By definition they just pay CCP 15 or 20 dollars to cloak up in a system and prevent other players from undocking. I say we make a public record of all AFK cloakers with their full name, home address and picture. Furthermore I propose we put GPS bracelets on all AFK cloakers so that we know if they are indeed AFK or not.
I would also like to add if you actually support any of this you are a moronic carebear that can't handle any risk and can't differentiate real life from a game.
Calm down AFK Cloaky camper!
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
222
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:10:37 -
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To: nullbears who don't like afk cloaking
1: Find out who's AFK cloaking you and do it in their home system.
2: Do some AFK cloaking of your own in the system they're trying to mess with. Then they have to ask if they feel lucky enough to take a shot at you. If you have smartbombing battleships, you can make them regret bringing a covert cyno.
3: Set up a gatecamp and move to a different system. If they want to follow, afk cloaker has to brave a slightly alert gatecamp.
4: AFK cloak in Jita. There are so many people there, someone's got to get mad about an AFK cloaker.
-a hibear
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:16:00 -
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OP needs to train Reading Comprehension V asap.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1744
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:18:49 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:To: nullbears who don't like afk cloaking
1: Find out who's AFK cloaking you and do it in their home system.
2: Do some AFK cloaking of your own in the system they're trying to mess with. Then they have to ask if they feel lucky enough to take a shot at you. If you have smartbombing battleships, you can make them regret bringing a covert cyno.
3: Set up a gatecamp and move to a different system. If they want to follow, afk cloaker has to brave a slightly alert gatecamp.
4: AFK cloak in Jita. There are so many people there, someone's got to get mad about an AFK cloaker.
-a hibear
1. Not always possible, but I did that to Razor once
2. Only has an impact when they are active
3. Only has an impact if they are active
4. That silly little joke again that quite frankly makes you look rather silly for pretty obvious reasons, can't you people think of a better one
To the OP, quite an original suggestion, but nah not going to work., you just got a few Eve forum warriors excited enough to go into their carebear hate routine which is kinda funny, nice one...
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Spazzy Fit
Citalopram Appreciation Society
13
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:26:38 -
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This thread delivers. In before the lock?
On topic, if you have this issue then get on comms, get in fleet and have a plan. Or sit in station and ***** about it on here. Up to you snowflake! |
Christo Severasse
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:32:52 -
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OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1744
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:37:06 -
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Christo Severasse wrote:OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony.
Not a very bright one are you, I am not the OP, I am just taking the opportunity to suggest the AFK flag which I do on every AFK Cloaky thread, because so many people say it does not matter as he is AFK so I said OK have an AFK flag and then they all scream it matters, its rather hilarious actually... and rather ironic and dare I say it showing acute levels of hypocrisy.
When you hunt them you have to find out when the little dears are active so you can bait them for results, not while they are snoring their heads off or under the whip at work.
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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
979
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:54:10 -
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If i-¦d be on "afk cloaky duty" i want my afk-flag instant please. To show everyone i m no harm. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
486
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:56:25 -
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Raging Bull Unchained wrote:If i-¦d be on "afk cloaky duty" i want my afk-flag instant please. To show everyone i m no harm.
yes please, even better! 
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:01:48 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Christo Severasse wrote:OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony. Not a very bright one are you, but you are in RvB being farmed so what ho, I am not the OP, I am just taking the opportunity to suggest the AFK flag which I do on every AFK Cloaky thread, because I want to AFK rat with no concerns...
FTFY |
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Christo Severasse
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:02:09 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Christo Severasse wrote:OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony. Not a very bright one are you, but you are in RvB being farmed so what ho, I am not the OP, I am just taking the opportunity to suggest the AFK flag which I do on every AFK Cloaky thread, because so many people say it does not matter as he is AFK so I said OK have an AFK flag and then they all scream it matters, its rather hilarious actually... and rather ironic and dare I say it showing acute levels of hypocrisy. When you hunt them you have to find out when the little dears are active so you can bait them for results, not while they are snoring their heads off or under the whip at work.
You got my number, bud. Congratulations.
On the other hand I am enjoying the game and not scared my space pixels might get blown up and that I have to spend pretend space money to replace them.
You are not the OP, no matter, my comment is still accurate as you have the same mind set. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:05:49 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Raging Bull Unchained wrote:If i-¦d be on "afk cloaky duty" i want my afk-flag instant please. To show everyone i m no harm. yes please, even better!
For some odd reason people think that I would be upset with this, not at all, you are at your keyboard so you will be active, as soon as you hit D-scan or anything like that your flag disappears, so works well. Your option is to sit in an anomaly which is totally fine by me.
Thanks for your support on this idea.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:07:29 -
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Christo Severasse wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Christo Severasse wrote:OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony. Not a very bright one are you, but you are in RvB being farmed so what ho, I am not the OP, I am just taking the opportunity to suggest the AFK flag which I do on every AFK Cloaky thread, because so many people say it does not matter as he is AFK so I said OK have an AFK flag and then they all scream it matters, its rather hilarious actually... and rather ironic and dare I say it showing acute levels of hypocrisy. When you hunt them you have to find out when the little dears are active so you can bait them for results, not while they are snoring their heads off or under the whip at work. You got my number, bud. Congratulations. On the other hand I am enjoying the game and not scared my space pixels might get blown up and that I have to spend pretend space money to replace them. You are not the OP, no matter, my comment is still accurate as you have the same mind set.
Oh really, so you are saying someone who wants to hunt them but does not want to waste his time when they are AFK has the same mindset, wow, I repeat you are not very bright are you, perfect material for the kill farmers in RvB, have fun...
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
488
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:09:05 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Raging Bull Unchained wrote:If i-¦d be on "afk cloaky duty" i want my afk-flag instant please. To show everyone i m no harm. yes please, even better! For some odd reason people think that I would be upset with this, not at all, you are at your keyboard so you will be active, as soon as you hit D-scan or anything like that your flag disappears, so works well. Your option is to sit in an anomaly which is totally fine by me. Thanks for your support on this idea.
so moving your mouse will flag you as active?
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
25
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:13:31 -
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carebears  carebears everywhere
keep up the good work afk campers! god bless you all! you are our hope!
lovely tears OP |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:16:07 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Raging Bull Unchained wrote:If i-¦d be on "afk cloaky duty" i want my afk-flag instant please. To show everyone i m no harm. yes please, even better! For some odd reason people think that I would be upset with this, not at all, you are at your keyboard so you will be active, as soon as you hit D-scan or anything like that your flag disappears, so works well. Your option is to sit in an anomaly which is totally fine by me. Thanks for your support on this idea. so moving your mouse will flag you as active?
No for obvious reasons, interacting with the client will however, so you have to click on something, it does not matter if they get intel like joe blogs has warped in with his carrier, totally fine with that, I want active play rewarded and people to take risk.
Before the watch list changes the key thing was to log all of the active hot droppers in the area, so you could create a risk assessment pattern, you caoul see when they dropped etc., now without the watch list its harder. This is the most rewarding and destructive AFK play in the game and it needs to be sorted.
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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
979
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:21:09 -
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What if the cloaker only hides because you nasties are active? Maybe they turn active as soon as all of you docked up?
The cloak-"problem" appeared the first time within the week after cloaks were seeded.
If you leave jokes and all trolling aside i can understand how the so called "afk-cloakers" interfere with your method of gaming.
But if you-¦re honest: without them you-¦re ISK farming would be without any risk (from other players). |
Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat
FETID
3130
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:27:06 -
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what a time to be alive
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:29:41 -
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Raging Bull Unchained wrote:What if the cloaker only hides because you nasties are active? Maybe they turn active as soon as all of you docked up?
The cloak-"problem" appeared the first time within the week after cloaks were seeded.
If you leave jokes and all trolling aside i can understand how the so called "afk-cloakers" interfere with your method of gaming.
But if you-¦re honest: without them you-¦re ISK farming would be without any risk (from other players).
It will have risk, because people can fake the AFK flag sitting in an anomaly which I am totally fine with, furthermore it will make people more likely to come out rather than turtle up totally defeated. And enable hunters like me to know when to focus our efforts, I love killing campers, best part of the game for me.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat
FETID
3130
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:31:26 -
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lets just remove damn local from the whole game apart from trade hubs because people pick up great deals on hanger clearouts and under buy-order plexes.
fixed eve thxbye
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